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Post by itsmemick on Feb 25, 2017 18:47:21 GMT 1
We'll see, I've watched games where Shelvey hasn't missed a pass all game and he's done that for game after game. Nearly every player will have a bad spell, the good thing about Shelvey is that he never hides when it's not going well and he'll play his way out of it. Against Villa his passing was off for most of the first half, that changed after the break when the whole team picked their games up. Sometimes his passes going off are not his fault because normally the person he's hitting it to isn't on their game and would normally have got on the end of it.fantastic quote - when a player boots the ball off target its other players fault for not being there - marvellous oh this is the bloke who "has a wand of a right foot" .....oh well why doesnt he magic a player into place to receive it then? Is it difficult to understand that a player can play a ball into space expecting another player to make a run to get onto the end of it?
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 25, 2017 18:54:41 GMT 1
You've come on our forum, and to be fair your a friendly enough bloke but your kidding no one on here with the Newcastle haven't spent much bla bla bla. Your saying you haven't received parachute payments this year, I don't know if that's the case but if so you will have received the payments from last years premiership finish all pretty much the same. Your clubs turnover will be 20 fold ours just accept it anything but pissing this league is a joke. You keep comparing to villa, sorry but their a joke. We've spent nothing over a 10 year period, we've averaged £100k per season during time as we only spend what we can afford to spend and in that sense we haven't spent much. If you look at spending £50 million in isolation then fair enough, it's a lot of money. It's less than we could have spent as we made a profit on transfers, we spent 56% of what Man U spent on Paul Pogba.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Feb 25, 2017 19:57:41 GMT 1
CALL THIS A RALLYING CALL ... just been on the (buy on-line)stadium overview to see how the sales are going .....pathetic
Maybe the £30 price is putting alot off , maybe the woodworkers and occassionals are waiting for the inevitable offer this next week if i was one of them thats what i would do ,but if the offer doesnt come id pay the £30 for this a match surely unmissable for a town fan
I suggest if you are going to Man City and not the next home match and havent got your FA cup ticket yet, DONT BOTHER - put your money towards a ticket for next Saturday (assuming you are not working or cant make it) your support is needed more for Newcastle and the players and club would appreciate a crowd that is Full house or approaching
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Post by dumbo on Feb 25, 2017 20:26:28 GMT 1
CALL THIS A RALLYING CALL ... just been on the (buy on-line)stadium overview to see how the sales are going .....pathetic Maybe the £30 price is putting alot off , maybe the woodworkers and occassionals are waiting for the inevitable offer this next week if i was one of them thats what i would do ,but if the offer doesnt come id pay the £30 for this a match surely unmissable for a town fan I suggest if you are going to Man City and not the next home match and havent got your FA cup ticket yet, DONT BOTHER - put your money towards a ticket for next Saturday (assuming you are not working or cant make it) your support is needed more for Newcastle and the players and club would appreciate a crowd that is Full house or approaching We would have sold this out easily if we had drawn them in the cup last year. Biggest game for ages, would be really disappointing to not sell out, but I'm pretty confident we will. Also, will look worse at the moment as South Stand ticket trade has only been applied recently freeing up 1,500 seats. Anyone thinking about going, really needs to get the tickets sorted, sooner rather than later.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 25, 2017 20:27:26 GMT 1
You've come on our forum, and to be fair your a friendly enough bloke but your kidding no one on here with the Newcastle haven't spent much bla bla bla. Your saying you haven't received parachute payments this year, I don't know if that's the case but if so you will have received the payments from last years premiership finish all pretty much the same. Your clubs turnover will be 20 fold ours just accept it anything but pissing this league is a joke. You keep comparing to villa, sorry but their a joke. If you look at spending £50 million in isolation then fair enough, it's a lot of money. Halle-bloody-lujah! you've finally admitted the fact.
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Post by dumbo on Feb 25, 2017 20:52:34 GMT 1
Well i just went on to check the tickets and apart from the Revell Ward upper tier, 1 small section of the kilner and 1 small section of the north stand, where i assume either the south stand people hold season tickets or the club have held onto for some reason. There are usually less than 20 seats available in each section.
Will be highest league gate of season so far and hopefully sell out.
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Post by upthetown on Feb 25, 2017 21:03:29 GMT 1
And deluded as hell if he thinks they've spent £100k in 10 years 😂 Yes, you sold players for big money, but you still bloody spent a fortune. And don't start on the net spend nonsense that funnily enough Rafa used to go on about at Liverpool. You and Villa have spent obscene amounts of money in the Championship. You've both spent more than many teams in the Champions League, in other countries. You've spent more than Leicester did in winning the title. It's embarrassing needing to spend that much money, especially at this level, regardless of how much money you got for Sissoko, one player. You spent more on Ritchie or Gayle than we've spent on our entire squad over a number of years. If we'd spunked that much I'd be expecting us to walk the league by 20 points. I've told you what we've spent, it's up to you whether you chose to believe it or not but you'll see it's true if you bother to do some research which you probably should if you're going to start throwing insults about regarding something you clearly have no clue about. We've made a £30 million profit this season and over 10 years we've had a net spend of £100k per season, it's your choice if you don't like net spend. The amount of money we've spent isn't embarrassing at all and I find that comment strange as we spend within our means. What insults? If we sold one player for £30m, in the championship, and then signed a new team for £30m I'd still think it was a ridiculously obscene amount of money at this level, despite a £0 net spend. And I'd also expect to walk the league spending such a crazy amount. For context we've spent about £3m... The fact is, net spend or not, you've paid a hell of a lot for a number of players. Newcastle, and Villa have simply tried to buy all the best players at this level. Gayle, Ritchie, Hogan, Hourihane etc. As I said before, I'd take our methods/style etc any day. (And still no insult)
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Post by upthetown on Feb 25, 2017 21:05:55 GMT 1
You've come on our forum, and to be fair your a friendly enough bloke but your kidding no one on here with the Newcastle haven't spent much bla bla bla. Your saying you haven't received parachute payments this year, I don't know if that's the case but if so you will have received the payments from last years premiership finish all pretty much the same. Your clubs turnover will be 20 fold ours just accept it anything but pissing this league is a joke. You keep comparing to villa, sorry but their a joke. We've spent nothing over a 10 year period, we've averaged £100k per season during time as we only spend what we can afford to spend and in that sense we haven't spent much. If you look at spending £50 million in isolation then fair enough, it's a lot of money. It's less than we could have spent as we made a profit on transfers, we spent 56% of what Man U spent on Paul Pogba. You've still spent it, regardless of how much you've made back on transfers. You still spent a fortune this summer, along with Villa.
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 25, 2017 21:28:42 GMT 1
Maybe mick, if you hadn't underspent again this year you would have beaten Brizzel today. Better get spending this week. . .
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 25, 2017 21:41:27 GMT 1
We will beat these overpaid lot next Saturday and be just 2 points behind.
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 11:29:54 GMT 1
Maybe mick, if you hadn't underspent again this year you would have beaten Brizzel today. Better get spending this week. . . The money we did or didn't spend had nothing to do with yesterdays result. We put out a team that was more than capable of beating Bristol and we would have beaten them if we played the whole game like the second 45 minutes. The first 45 minutes looked like we thought that we just had to turn up and we'd automatically collect 3 points and that's unacceptable. Our passing was slow and lazy, we had players who could carry the ball but chose to sit tight and look for a pass, it was awful. Yet again we had defenders gifting the opposition goals that they hardly had to work for because of lazy defending. Yesterday was frustrating and unacceptable in equal measures.
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 26, 2017 11:39:39 GMT 1
Maybe mick, if you hadn't underspent again this year you would have beaten Brizzel today. Better get spending this week. . . The money we did or didn't spend had nothing to do with yesterdays result. We put out a team that was more than capable of beating Bristol and we would have beaten them if we played the whole game like the second 45 minutes. The first 45 minutes looked like we thought that we just had to turn up and we'd automatically collect 3 points and that's unacceptable. Our passing was slow and lazy, we had players who could carry the ball but chose to sit tight and look for a pass, it was awful. Yet again we had defenders gifting the opposition goals that they hardly had to work for because of lazy defending. Yesterday was frustrating and unacceptable in equal measures. Chill Winston. Just light hearted ribbing bud.
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 11:49:15 GMT 1
The money we did or didn't spend had nothing to do with yesterdays result. We put out a team that was more than capable of beating Bristol and we would have beaten them if we played the whole game like the second 45 minutes. The first 45 minutes looked like we thought that we just had to turn up and we'd automatically collect 3 points and that's unacceptable. Our passing was slow and lazy, we had players who could carry the ball but chose to sit tight and look for a pass, it was awful. Yet again we had defenders gifting the opposition goals that they hardly had to work for because of lazy defending. Yesterday was frustrating and unacceptable in equal measures. Chill Winston. Just light hearted ribbing bud. I am chilled, I'm almost horizontal. I wasn't chilled yesterday, especially when I knew you were 1 up and we were 2 down at half time.
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 26, 2017 11:51:20 GMT 1
Chill Winston. Just light hearted ribbing bud. I am chilled, I'm almost horizontal. I wasn't chilled yesterday, especially when I knew you were 1 up and we were 2 down at half time. Shame that can't happen next Saturday.
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Feb 26, 2017 11:53:21 GMT 1
IF we beat Newcastle on Saturday, depending on Tuesday's result, we are in striking distance of the autos with Newcastle to go to Reading on the Tuesday. With us playing them at home I honestly would rather be in our position than the Toon, albeit they have a few more points on the board.
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Post by detox on Feb 26, 2017 12:03:33 GMT 1
I'd rather be where we are at the moment,just behind the leaders as we turn the final bend and head for the straight ... too soon to be making our move just yet... Hopefully by Saturday evening we're just 2 points behind , and a game in hand... I'd still be happy with a place though, massive over achievement by us this season..
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 12:07:25 GMT 1
I am chilled, I'm almost horizontal. I wasn't chilled yesterday, especially when I knew you were 1 up and we were 2 down at half time. Shame that can't happen next Saturday. Next Saturday should be a good game and one I'm looking forward to.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Feb 26, 2017 12:13:44 GMT 1
We will beat these overpaid lot next Saturday and be just 2 points behind. if BHA do the business! we will have a game in hand too.
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 12:16:59 GMT 1
IF we beat Newcastle on Saturday, depending on Tuesday's result, we are in striking distance of the autos with Newcastle to go to Reading on the Tuesday. With us playing them at home I honestly would rather be in our position than the Toon, albeit they have a few more points on the board. The first two away games are the tough ones for Newcastle, we beat Reading at home 4-1 and we should avoid defeat against them away because they just don't look to have much of a threat. They look great with the ball, their goal difference suggests that they might struggle if they're attacked which was also shown last night against Brighton. We're 10 points ahead of Reading with a game in hand for a reason. That said, if we have to lose a game then I would choose to lose that one.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 26, 2017 12:22:16 GMT 1
We will beat these overpaid lot next Saturday and be just 2 points behind. Providing they don't beat Brighton or draw on Tuesday.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 26, 2017 13:17:19 GMT 1
You've come on our forum, and to be fair your a friendly enough bloke but your kidding no one on here with the Newcastle haven't spent much bla bla bla. Your saying you haven't received parachute payments this year, I don't know if that's the case but if so you will have received the payments from last years premiership finish all pretty much the same. Your clubs turnover will be 20 fold ours just accept it anything but pissing this league is a joke. You keep comparing to villa, sorry but their a joke. We've spent nothing over a 10 year period, we've averaged £100k per season during time as we only spend what we can afford to spend and in that sense we haven't spent much. If you look at spending £50 million in isolation then fair enough, it's a lot of money. It's less than we could have spent as we made a profit on transfers, we spent 56% of what Man U spent on Paul Pogba. We have 2 players in our squad that cost over £1m. Our record transfer fee paid is £1.8m. The bulk of our squad is loan players & freebies. A Newcastle fan telling HTFC fans they've not spent much is a bit nonsensical - the budgets of both clubs (however the money is raised) simply aren't comparable - like if we tried to tell a Shrewsbury fan that we've not spent much. Compared to them - we have!! I get the point you're making that your club have had the income to support signing multiple players on 7 & 8 figure fees plus huge wages, and frankly if you have that sort of income & don't invest then you go down the same route Blackpool seem to have done. Going on budgets, Both Newcastle & Villa should absolutely walk this league. Newcastle may be underachieving by being 2nd but good god, how Villa can be SO bad with the money they've spent is shocking.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 26, 2017 13:30:07 GMT 1
I think you have a great chance of going up, I'm not sure about top 2 but I wouldn't bet against it. I expect your good run will end at some point, they always do and it will then depend on how you react. This isn't me being patronising, you've had a fantastic and deserved season so enjoy it, they don't come along often unless you have stupid money. I think the 3 teams who go up this season have a massive disadvantage because of the stupid money that premiership clubs can spend. They'll have that money from this season, those going up will not get the money until it's too late, I'm sure prize money is paid at the end of the season. We keep getting our spending thrown at us, we actually made a £30 million profit on transfers after relegation. We sold high and bought relatively low in most cases to pad the squad out. Now you are starting to talk bollocks. You may have made a £30m profit but the players you have bought are all worth millions more than those at HTFC. Gayle on his own cost 3 times more than all our squad. You sell £80m worth of players and buy £50m pounds worth still equates to you spending more than ten times what we have spent and you are only 5 points above us. We are going to catch you. He's not really talking bollocks though is he? Their budget IS bloody huge compared to ours, but he does say "We sold high and bought relatively low". Relative to what they brought in (transfer fees, parachute payments etc), they did!
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Feb 26, 2017 13:37:02 GMT 1
fantastic quote - when a player boots the ball off target its other players fault for not being there - marvellous oh this is the bloke who "has a wand of a right foot" .....oh well why doesnt he magic a player into place to receive it then? Is it difficult to understand that a player can play a ball into space expecting another player to make a run to get onto the end of it? I was a master of it
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 14:10:38 GMT 1
We've spent nothing over a 10 year period, we've averaged £100k per season during time as we only spend what we can afford to spend and in that sense we haven't spent much. If you look at spending £50 million in isolation then fair enough, it's a lot of money. It's less than we could have spent as we made a profit on transfers, we spent 56% of what Man U spent on Paul Pogba. We have 2 players in our squad that cost over £1m. Our record transfer fee paid is £1.8m. The bulk of our squad is loan players & freebies. A Newcastle fan telling HTFC fans they've not spent much is a bit nonsensical - the budgets of both clubs (however the money is raised) simply aren't comparable - like if we tried to tell a Shrewsbury fan that we've not spent much. Compared to them - we have!! I get the point you're making that your club have had the income to support signing multiple players on 7 & 8 figure fees plus huge wages, and frankly if you have that sort of income & don't invest then you go down the same route Blackpool seem to have done. Going on budgets, Both Newcastle & Villa should absolutely walk this league. Newcastle may be underachieving by being 2nd but good god, how Villa can be SO bad with the money they've spent is shocking. I've never tried to say that we don't spend highly compared to Huddersfield, that would be a laughable statement to make and one that would rightly be shot down. We sold Andy Carroll for £35 million and he cost us nothing, we invested much of that in buying players relatively cheap and sold them at a profit which was re-invested. We bought Cabaye for around £5 million, if that, and sold him for £18 million. Wignaldum was brought in for £14.5 million and sold on for £25 million and the best bit of daylight robbery of them all was Sissoko coming in for £2 million and going to Spurs for £30 million. If we were not making money on these players we'd not be spending what we do. If players were coming in for £1 million and going for £3 million, we'd not be spending what we do because that is the portion of our income that we spend on transfers. Other income goes on wages, wages which were low for the Premiership and are now high for the Championship. Our current budget will not be sustainable in this division for more than a season or two, even with parachute payments. Unfortunately you need Sky Premiership money to pay big wages.
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 14:11:42 GMT 1
Now you are starting to talk bollocks. You may have made a £30m profit but the players you have bought are all worth millions more than those at HTFC. Gayle on his own cost 3 times more than all our squad. You sell £80m worth of players and buy £50m pounds worth still equates to you spending more than ten times what we have spent and you are only 5 points above us. We are going to catch you. He's not really talking bollocks though is he? Their budget IS bloody huge compared to ours, but he does say "We sold high and bought relatively low". Relative to what they brought in (transfer fees, parachute payments etc), they did! Thank you, at least somebody understands what I was trying to say, even if I didn't get my point over very well.
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Post by bristolterrier on Feb 26, 2017 14:42:10 GMT 1
Money generally rules in football. Newcastle United with their parachute payments and huge fan base should walk this league, Rafa taking Newcastle up is no great achievement. If he does he should be judged on what happens next. Huddersfield town shouldn't be close to competing against them, but we are not that far off which is a huge achievement to the club/ management / players and fans. This club is on one big roll, I've supported this club for a bloody long time and you get a feeling in your bones sometimes that your onto a good thing. We are onto a good thing, achieve promotion or not I'm enjoying the ride. Newcastle beware!!!!! The parachute payments will come at the end of the season so has no impact on what we spend now, the transfer profit will be paying bills that we couldn't have paid without the sky money and we will have received our money for last season at the end of that one. Villa proves your theory doesn't always work, spending guarantees nothing, it's not what you spend but how you spend it. We've bought relatively cheap and sold the players for stupid fees which has allowed us to bring more players in. We wouldn't have spent anywhere near what we have if the money wasn't coming in from selling players. You should enjoy the ride, I'm enjoying ours. I'd rather win in the Championship than lose in the Premiership. Gosh you really are naïve. Ever heard of securitising a loan? This is why clubs such as Reading are in poor financial health. They packaged up all their parachute payments and sold them. If Newcastle wanted the parachute payment early there are plenty out their that would give it to them for a price. Plenty of clubs relegated from the Premiership do it just to pay players on big long contracts.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Feb 26, 2017 16:42:04 GMT 1
Seeing people labeling this as the biggest game for decades, but having thought about it, it maybe isn't as big as people seem to think it is in my opinion. While beating them would be fantastic for our auto-promotion hopes, drawing or losing wouldn't be the nail in the coffin because they still have a tough run of games which we would hopefully use to make up the ground.
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 16:57:25 GMT 1
The parachute payments will come at the end of the season so has no impact on what we spend now, the transfer profit will be paying bills that we couldn't have paid without the sky money and we will have received our money for last season at the end of that one. Villa proves your theory doesn't always work, spending guarantees nothing, it's not what you spend but how you spend it. We've bought relatively cheap and sold the players for stupid fees which has allowed us to bring more players in. We wouldn't have spent anywhere near what we have if the money wasn't coming in from selling players. You should enjoy the ride, I'm enjoying ours. I'd rather win in the Championship than lose in the Premiership. Gosh you really are naïve. Ever heard of securitising a loan? This is why clubs such as Reading are in poor financial health. They packaged up all their parachute payments and sold them. If Newcastle wanted the parachute payment early there are plenty out their that would give it to them for a price. Plenty of clubs relegated from the Premiership do it just to pay players on big long contracts. We have a loan facility with our owner who will not let us spend it without him authorising it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 17:00:35 GMT 1
i m not sure if newcastle have started to crumble yet, but i think some of their fans have...
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Post by itsmemick on Feb 26, 2017 17:29:48 GMT 1
i m not sure if newcastle have started to crumble yet, but i think some of their fans have... Some of them have, fortunately that hasn't happened to the match going fans who made more noise after we'd gone 2 behind and were probably instrumental to us getting back into the game. The noise was probably raised ten scale and drove the players forward and forced them to raise their game from what had happened in the first half.
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