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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 5, 2017 13:17:44 GMT 1
If we had done them 1-3 at their place and basically limited them to three or four shots from outside the box we would have been hailing a tactical master class ... we lost ... all eyes on Tuesday now cos that game will be as tough imo
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 5, 2017 13:18:32 GMT 1
'win without playing well' ?? that wasnt the story yesterday.. winning because the major decisions(all 3 were wrong including our penalty) go your way isnt winning without playing well.. we have won games this season without playing well but we were honest enough to realise it on here and it got stated a lot(to the annoyance of many).. We have yet to win a game solely on getting the right end of very bad officials decisions.. honesty please... The only decisions that could be questioned are the two soft penalties. even the experts stated that 99 times out of a hundred the keeper would have been 'fouled'...lino was still catching up the offside he missed. colback stayed on against the edict of the fa/league? I would suggest that 0-0 might have reflected our inability to score and your(up to the comical 3rd) inability to create anything at all. Im honest in the view that we didnt make any real clear cut chances from close enough to the goal. Might be nice to get some honesty the other way.. The two penalties were played for and as said before a proper ref might well have booked both 'divers' but shelvey did quite openly handle the ball before you got yours, so in truth they are not exactly the 'same' bad decisions.. If we had drawn 0-0 I could not have complained other than our inability to make good chances from lots of possession.. I would have complimented you on your keeper and the organisation that did not allow good chances against them. The ref made the game, not us or you or either manager..
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:19:58 GMT 1
Rafa did have the perfect tactics, the result proves that he did. My guess is that he set us up to keep it tight from the start and would have changed our game if we'd gone behind. Why would he keep everything the same for 90 minutes? He had a plan B and he used it by giving you something else to think about. We had a tough game on Tuesday and had tired legs which he replaced with fresh legs. Some of what happened yesterday was down to luck, we made our own luck because the whole team worked their butts off. What were his perfect tactics exactly?? To rely on bad refereeing decisions going your way and a lousy keeper error?? You were really poor on the day. Got handed a 2 goal cushion and managed to hang onto it by parking the bus. Its the results that count, but if you think it was some 'tactical genius' by benitez, youre kidding yourself. You are very much getting the rub lately. Look through your last dozen or so league goals and its an array of blunders, ricochets, own goals, flukes .. Maybe you put luck like that down to Benitez and his tactics? His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Mar 5, 2017 13:24:13 GMT 1
Did what we had to - roughly translated as "cheat to win a penalty" Your post is very informative and makes some valid points. However, you seem to conveniently forget to mention that your game plan was only able to be executed well because Shelvey/Ritchie cheated to win a penalty and the referee fell for it, thus allowing you to defend for the main part of the game. I didn't see the Shelvey handball in real time and only noticed it later when replays were shown so I can understand how the referee missed it. I think there was contact on Ritchie and you will go down when you're running as pace, even if it is minimal contact. The handball should have meant that we didn't get a penalty, I don't think either player cheated as Shelvey moved his arm only slightly and he'll have had a no time to think about what he was doing, it was probably an instinctive action. Personally, I thought both penalties were harsh and I wouldn't have given either of them. Slightly or not, Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball so it was quite clearly hand to ball, and not the other way round, and he knew exactly what he was doing. I've watched the Wells/Ritchie incident at length this morning at various speeds from real time to frame by frame. Wells makes no contact with him and Ritchie very, very clearly wraps his own left foot round the back of his right heel, thus bringing himself down. It is very obvious when you slow it down that that is what has caused him to go down - nothing to do with Wells. I can quite understand why Roger East missed it - but, as I have mentioned before, this is a nasty trick that players are bringing into the game to cheat to gain an advantage. Until this is cracked down on and these cheating players are dealt with harshly they will continue to do it -the potential rewards are too high.
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 13:24:39 GMT 1
What were his perfect tactics exactly?? To rely on bad refereeing decisions going your way and a lousy keeper error?? You were really poor on the day. Got handed a 2 goal cushion and managed to hang onto it by parking the bus. Its the results that count, but if you think it was some 'tactical genius' by benitez, youre kidding yourself. You are very much getting the rub lately. Look through your last dozen or so league goals and its an array of blunders, ricochets, own goals, flukes .. Maybe you put luck like that down to Benitez and his tactics? His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by. Hit us on the break? All you did was hoof the ball aimlessly up the pitch! You couldn't string 3 passes together all game. Wigan soaked up pressure and hit us on the break with good passing from our attacks. That is hitting a team on the break. Your lot just hoofed the ball whenever you got it. Even Shelvey.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 13:24:40 GMT 1
'win without playing well' ?? that wasnt the story yesterday.. winning because the major decisions(all 3 were wrong including our penalty) go your way isnt winning without playing well.. we have won games this season without playing well but we were honest enough to realise it on here and it got stated a lot(to the annoyance of many).. We have yet to win a game solely on getting the right end of very bad officials decisions.. honesty please... The only decisions that could be questioned are the two soft penalties. But your penalty was in the 10th minute and set the pace of the game. Also you second goal was hooked out from between our keeper's hand and body, which is a foul. Also, Colback was about to be sent off until the ref realised it was his second yellow. Well, done. You came to ours and parked the bus, and parked it well. However, the only reason you could do that was because of the two decision around the goals in the first half. 0-0 in the second half and things would have been much more different. A draw would have been a fair result in my opinion, and thus I'm not too gutted. It's one point dropped, which, baring in mind the Brighton result (which I was expecting them to win), is a +2 net point gain on them, in my mind. This chase isn't done yet.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:25:47 GMT 1
I agree with most of that, I thought that we managed the game perfectly and did what we had to at this stage of the season to get the points which we need. The game would have been totally different if you had scored the first goal because we would have changed our game and gone for you more. Whether that would have worked or not, we'll never know. I thought that you were good on the eye but lacked something, you didn't have anybody who could open us up. Our defending last night was as good as I have ever seen from us and I don't think we could have done that earlier in the season so you should take that as a positive. As for not liking our defensive display, sometimes you have to and I think you will come to realise that you can't have only one way of playing. Against Brighton we played a different way to win the game because we had to, they sometimes like to sit back and hit you, at least they did against Reading so we played a way that was effective. You can throw all the stat's you want at us, which in this post you haven't but some others have. The only stat's that matter at this stage of the season is the scoreline and I think you would soon get over playing a defensive game once in a while if it meant you were going to gain promotion and it is probably something you have to work on. I thought Huddersfield were a bit naive thinking keeping the ball would be enough to win, maybe you need to look for an older more experienced forward who can offer you something different, maybe a Daryl Murphy. You can still go up and I hope that you do but you might struggle against teams who know how to win without playing well. If you do go up the game yesterday is one that you need to learn from as we did give you something of a lesson. All of the pretty football comes to nothing if you don't win the game because no league table takes possession into consideration when awarding points. I would be very disappointed if we played the way that we did yesterday for every game, we don't. We play a different game every week and we play the way that we think is going to win and at this stage of the season it's right to do so. Fair enough but I was shocked at Newcastle's inability to string two passes together. You got a lucky two goal lead, defended very well, but your lack of quality on the ball was alarming. I never thought I'd see a Newcastle team play like Wimbledon, but that's what I saw last night. We didn't help ourselves at times, but most of the telling decisions went against us and both our goalkeepers made mistakes. In fact, take out the luck/mistakes and a game of attack v defence ends up 0-0. Don't get me wrong, luck/mistakes are part of football, but none of Newcastle'goals came from great play. I can't remember you having one decent break except for perhaps the second goal. Other than that you struggled to put more than two passes together before hoofing the ball up the pitch. Effective on the night, but absolutely terrible to watch. Anyway, we have a chance to put things right against Villa on Tues. I have nothing against Newcastle, but I was genuinely shocked at how poor they were on the ball. It is likely you will be in the Prem next season, but I would suggest such tactics won't be as successful against better teams than Town. I suspect Newcastle will have to learn how to pass the ball to each other... The way we played was never going to look good on the eye and we played the way you let/forced us to play. I'm certain we would have played differently if you had gone ahead in the way that Brighton did. We did what we had to under the circumstances. I said in the match thread that we don't have a set way of playing and we adapt and we've shown that in our last two very tough games.
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 13:28:28 GMT 1
Fair enough but I was shocked at Newcastle's inability to string two passes together. You got a lucky two goal lead, defended very well, but your lack of quality on the ball was alarming. I never thought I'd see a Newcastle team play like Wimbledon, but that's what I saw last night. We didn't help ourselves at times, but most of the telling decisions went against us and both our goalkeepers made mistakes. In fact, take out the luck/mistakes and a game of attack v defence ends up 0-0. Don't get me wrong, luck/mistakes are part of football, but none of Newcastle'goals came from great play. I can't remember you having one decent break except for perhaps the second goal. Other than that you struggled to put more than two passes together before hoofing the ball up the pitch. Effective on the night, but absolutely terrible to watch. Anyway, we have a chance to put things right against Villa on Tues. I have nothing against Newcastle, but I was genuinely shocked at how poor they were on the ball. It is likely you will be in the Prem next season, but I would suggest such tactics won't be as successful against better teams than Town. I suspect Newcastle will have to learn how to pass the ball to each other... The way we played was never going to look good on the eye and we played the way you let/forced us to play. I'm certain we would have played differently if you had gone ahead in the way that Brighton did. We did what we had to under the circumstances. I said in the match thread that we don't have a set way of playing and we adapt and we've shown that in our last two very tough games. Fair enough, but your lack of quality on the ball last night was very surprising. I didn't expect to see a Newcastle team play hoofball. Thought you were better than that.
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Post by CaptainHart on Mar 5, 2017 13:28:28 GMT 1
If we had done them 1-3 at their place and basically limited them to three or four shots from outside the box we would have been hailing a tactical master class ... we lost ... all eyes on Tuesday now cos that game will be as tough imo That if is based on us getting the decisions that allowed them to go 2 up.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 5, 2017 13:29:06 GMT 1
What were his perfect tactics exactly?? To rely on bad refereeing decisions going your way and a lousy keeper error?? You were really poor on the day. Got handed a 2 goal cushion and managed to hang onto it by parking the bus. Its the results that count, but if you think it was some 'tactical genius' by benitez, youre kidding yourself. You are very much getting the rub lately. Look through your last dozen or so league goals and its an array of blunders, ricochets, own goals, flukes .. Maybe you put luck like that down to Benitez and his tactics? His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by. does anyone ever have the 'tactic' of being in their own box for huge parts of the game hoping to stop the other team scoring or that their keeper has a good day?? i dont think so..sometimes the opposition are or prove to be much better than you and you cant get out.. if you get 2 goals up and are still defending deep and just lumping it away, you are a goal from being very deep in the shit.. is this still the 'chosen' tactic even when you have no breaks at all(until the 3rd minute of injuy time).. ffs you got away with one.. accept it with glee and move on.. how you win games is clearly immaterial in the big scheme, I still have trouble with a lot of our support who want us to win 'clean'... when we win by luck a lot of us say so.. that might be the difference in the mentality of the two sets of supporters. Your recent history is clouding the debate.. you spent the millions, you are down a division and everything must be down to rafa and the money and quality?? Well suprise, suprise, its got a lot to do with luck and getting the bad decisions in your favour.. honesty please..
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:30:59 GMT 1
I didn't see the Shelvey handball in real time and only noticed it later when replays were shown so I can understand how the referee missed it. I think there was contact on Ritchie and you will go down when you're running as pace, even if it is minimal contact. The handball should have meant that we didn't get a penalty, I don't think either player cheated as Shelvey moved his arm only slightly and he'll have had a no time to think about what he was doing, it was probably an instinctive action. Personally, I thought both penalties were harsh and I wouldn't have given either of them. Slightly or not, Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball so it was quite clearly hand to ball, and not the other way round, and he knew exactly what he was doing. I've watched the Wells/Ritchie incident at length this morning at various speeds from real time to frame by frame. Wells makes no contact with him and Ritchie very, very clearly wraps his own left foot round the back of his right heel, thus bringing himself down. It is very obvious when you slow it down that that is what has caused him to go down - nothing to do with Wells. I can quite understand why Roger East missed it - but, as I have mentioned before, this is a nasty trick that players are bringing into the game to cheat (and I use that word quite deliberately) to gain an advantage. Until this is cracked down on and these cheating players are dealt with harshly they will continue to do it -the potential rewards are too high. I said Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball and he did, I think it was clear on replay but not in real time so the referee could easily have missed it. I didn't notice Richie doing what you said but I will look at it again later if I get the chance and I will be more than happy to say that he did if that's what I see. I don't like cheats either but I'll not call him out until I've seen it.
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Post by herefordaway on Mar 5, 2017 13:31:18 GMT 1
The only decisions that could be questioned are the two soft penalties. Colback should have been off. On a booking he did a clear professional foul, pulling back a tiown player who was breaking through your lines. Right in front of the ref and he let him off. rafa knew he wouldn't get let off again and subbed him almost immediately. 2 penalties yes and also Newcastle 2nd goal is a foul under the rules quoted elsewhere on here
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 13:32:09 GMT 1
To sum up:
Defensive discipline was enough for Newcastle to get a point.
The ref/luck/mistakes got them the win.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:33:13 GMT 1
His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by. Hit us on the break? All you did was hoof the ball aimlessly up the pitch! You couldn't string 3 passes together all game. Wigan soaked up pressure and hit us on the break with good passing from our attacks. That is hitting a team on the break. Your lot just hoofed the ball whenever you got it. Even Shelvey. We did hit you on the break whether you agree or not, I'm actually surprised that this is debatable.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:36:39 GMT 1
To sum up: Defensive discipline was enough for Newcastle to get a point. The ref/luck/mistakes got them the win. Welcome to football.
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Post by wtd on Mar 5, 2017 13:39:42 GMT 1
Did what we had to - roughly translated as "cheat to win a penalty" Your post is very informative and makes some valid points. However, you seem to conveniently forget to mention that your game plan was only able to be executed well because Shelvey/Ritchie cheated to win a penalty and the referee fell for it, thus allowing you to defend for the main part of the game. I didn't see the Shelvey handball in real time and only noticed it later when replays were shown so I can understand how the referee missed it. I think there was contact on Ritchie and you will go down when you're running as pace, even if it is minimal contact. The handball should have meant that we didn't get a penalty, I don't think either player cheated as Shelvey moved his arm only slightly and he'll have had a no time to think about what he was doing, it was probably an instinctive action. Personally, I thought both penalties were harsh and I wouldn't have given either of them. But Ritchie didn't just 'go down when running at pace'... he had to tap his own ankle to facilitate that. That's called cheating, my friend. He cheated, you got an unfair advantage which then changed the whole course of the game. You might at least be big enough to acknowledge that.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Mar 5, 2017 13:40:36 GMT 1
Slightly or not, Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball so it was quite clearly hand to ball, and not the other way round, and he knew exactly what he was doing. I've watched the Wells/Ritchie incident at length this morning at various speeds from real time to frame by frame. Wells makes no contact with him and Ritchie very, very clearly wraps his own left foot round the back of his right heel, thus bringing himself down. It is very obvious when you slow it down that that is what has caused him to go down - nothing to do with Wells. I can quite understand why Roger East missed it - but, as I have mentioned before, this is a nasty trick that players are bringing into the game to cheat to gain an advantage. Until this is cracked down on and these cheating players are dealt with harshly they will continue to do it -the potential rewards are too high. I said Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball and he did, I think it was clear on replay but not in real time so the referee could easily have missed it. I didn't notice Richie doing what you said but I will look at it again later if I get the chance and I will be more than happy to say that he did if that's what I see. I don't like cheats either but I'll not call him out until I've seen it. Fair enough - because I didn't comment on this until I had watched it at great length to make sure that I got my facts absolutely 100% correct. I didn't think it should have been a penalty at the time but I wanted to make absolutely sure. Having watched it I am convinced Roger East got it wrong - but it won't change the game and result and, at the end of the season, when you are promoted, no one will even remember it.
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 13:41:57 GMT 1
Hit us on the break? All you did was hoof the ball aimlessly up the pitch! You couldn't string 3 passes together all game. Wigan soaked up pressure and hit us on the break with good passing from our attacks. That is hitting a team on the break. Your lot just hoofed the ball whenever you got it. Even Shelvey. We did hit you on the break whether you agree or not, I'm actually surprised that this is debatable. So you would argue hopefully hoofing the ball up is hitting a team on the break? Were you satisfied your team couldn't string three passes together all game?
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Post by wtd on Mar 5, 2017 13:43:38 GMT 1
I didn't see the Shelvey handball in real time and only noticed it later when replays were shown so I can understand how the referee missed it. I think there was contact on Ritchie and you will go down when you're running as pace, even if it is minimal contact. The handball should have meant that we didn't get a penalty, I don't think either player cheated as Shelvey moved his arm only slightly and he'll have had a no time to think about what he was doing, it was probably an instinctive action. Personally, I thought both penalties were harsh and I wouldn't have given either of them. Slightly or not, Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball so it was quite clearly hand to ball, and not the other way round, and he knew exactly what he was doing. I've watched the Wells/Ritchie incident at length this morning at various speeds from real time to frame by frame. Wells makes no contact with him and Ritchie very, very clearly wraps his own left foot round the back of his right heel, thus bringing himself down. It is very obvious when you slow it down that that is what has caused him to go down - nothing to do with Wells. I can quite understand why Roger East missed it - but, as I have mentioned before, this is a nasty trick that players are bringing into the game to cheat to gain an advantage. Until this is cracked down on and these cheating players are dealt with harshly they will continue to do it -the potential rewards are too high. This. Bob on.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:43:58 GMT 1
I didn't see the Shelvey handball in real time and only noticed it later when replays were shown so I can understand how the referee missed it. I think there was contact on Ritchie and you will go down when you're running as pace, even if it is minimal contact. The handball should have meant that we didn't get a penalty, I don't think either player cheated as Shelvey moved his arm only slightly and he'll have had a no time to think about what he was doing, it was probably an instinctive action. Personally, I thought both penalties were harsh and I wouldn't have given either of them. But Ritchie didn't just 'go down when running at pace'... he had to tap his own ankle to facilitate that. That's called cheating, my friend. He cheated, you got an unfair advantage which then changed the whole course of the game. You might at least be big enough to acknowledge that. I've already said that I haven't seen Ritchie tap his own ankle so I can't comment on it. I will try to watch it again later.
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Post by impact on Mar 5, 2017 13:44:04 GMT 1
To sum up: Defensive discipline was enough for Newcastle to get a point. The ref/luck/mistakes got them the win. Newcastle get refereeing decisions and luck though. Their game against Rotherham a prime example of the former and Brighton the latter before last night.
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Post by griffa on Mar 5, 2017 13:46:07 GMT 1
Judging by some of the love-in posts and threads on here this won't go down particularly well but for me there's no doubt that the best team won yesterday. Essentially Newcastle were far better able to defend against us than we were in our ability to break them down. I would go as far as saying that that was the best (defensive) performance I've seen at the John Smith's, especially under the circumstances of two promotional rivals going head to head. Don't get me wrong I was immensely proud of our team last night and in many ways I'd rather play like we did and fail than play like Newcastle did and succeed but let's not be fooled that the best team lost. That's a pretty blinkered view. The stats look favourable for us and we were easy on the eye but from 10 minutes on Newcastle allowed us to have the ball and restrict us to long range efforts. We constantly kept coming up against a brick wall (Shelvy, Colback & Diame) and that's before we even got a look at breaching their back four, even for our penalty Kachunga was going nowhere. Their game management was superb and we all know that stats and possession don't necessarily win games. Mourinho won Premier League titles from a similar defensive base and it looks like Newcastle will win our league. I don't like it but fair play to them. Our own performance was not dissimilar to Barnsley last week where we definitley were the better team but also didn't win. Barnsley looked shakey at the back, we got round them several times and bar a few blocks, good saves, poor finishing and a dose of bad luck we deserved to win. Last night Newcastle were superb defensively, allowed us to play in front of them and fully deserved the victory. Of course, they were helped by an early goal which was a penalty but it shouldn't have got to that stage because of the Shelvy handball. A ref has cost us there not for the first time but shit happens. Wells clipped him no doubt but what infuriates me most is that we didn't get a similar one against Wigan. If we'd have taken a 10 minute lead, and/or gone two up after half an hour, do you think we'd have seen it out as comfortably as Newcastle did? So, well done Newcastle. Very well played. Good luck next season in the Prem and I hope we get chance to avenge this defeat then by gunning down Brighton or going up via the Play-Offs. I think we will because we are a very good team despite not being the best one last night. You are entitled to your opinion, they came & parked the bus, no problem with that, on another day Colback, would have received a 2nd yellow, the Referee changed the game with no spotting Shelley's handball & the dive from Ritchie. Newcastle defended well, got the breaks! Upwards & onwards, 12 games to play - UTT.
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Post by wtd on Mar 5, 2017 13:46:42 GMT 1
Slightly or not, Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball so it was quite clearly hand to ball, and not the other way round, and he knew exactly what he was doing. I've watched the Wells/Ritchie incident at length this morning at various speeds from real time to frame by frame. Wells makes no contact with him and Ritchie very, very clearly wraps his own left foot round the back of his right heel, thus bringing himself down. It is very obvious when you slow it down that that is what has caused him to go down - nothing to do with Wells. I can quite understand why Roger East missed it - but, as I have mentioned before, this is a nasty trick that players are bringing into the game to cheat (and I use that word quite deliberately) to gain an advantage. Until this is cracked down on and these cheating players are dealt with harshly they will continue to do it -the potential rewards are too high. I said Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball and he did, I think it was clear on replay but not in real time so the referee could easily have missed it. I didn't notice Richie doing what you said but I will look at it again later if I get the chance and I will be more than happy to say that he did if that's what I see. I don't like cheats either but I'll not call him out until I've seen it. I look forward to you calling him out, then. Don't forget to watch it, now!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 13:47:19 GMT 1
Mick, you were bloody lucky. I think this has probably just about sealed things for yourselves but stranger things have happened.
That equaliser v Brighton and a blatant handball being ignored have set up 6 points for you this week.
If we were in the same position 99% of this board would be in denial as well though, so no issue with the football bias aspects.
If you can be objective, how did we stack up in your eyes?
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:47:56 GMT 1
We did hit you on the break whether you agree or not, I'm actually surprised that this is debatable. So you would argue hopefully hoofing the ball up is hitting a team on the break? Were you satisfied your team couldn't string three passes together all game? While I'm sure we could string three passes together even though we didn't do it often, I'm satisfied with the way that we played because it meant we came away with 3 points against one of our main promotion contenders at a critical point in the season. I would have been much happier if we'd had 70+% possession and won it.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:50:29 GMT 1
To sum up: Defensive discipline was enough for Newcastle to get a point. The ref/luck/mistakes got them the win. Newcastle get refereeing decisions and luck though. Their game against Rotherham a prime example of the former and Brighton the latter before last night. The refereeing decisions don't always go our way and neither does luck.
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Post by impact on Mar 5, 2017 13:51:42 GMT 1
Newcastle get refereeing decisions and luck though. Their game against Rotherham a prime example of the former and Brighton the latter before last night. The refereeing decisions don't always go our way and neither does luck. But always seems to in the big games, when you need that helping hand.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 13:51:53 GMT 1
I said Shelvey moved his arm towards the ball and he did, I think it was clear on replay but not in real time so the referee could easily have missed it. I didn't notice Richie doing what you said but I will look at it again later if I get the chance and I will be more than happy to say that he did if that's what I see. I don't like cheats either but I'll not call him out until I've seen it. I look forward to you calling him out, then. Don't forget to watch it, now! I will cal him out if that's the way that I see it, I'll watch it when I get the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 13:55:39 GMT 1
Once again, this was an introduction to us all around what football in the PL would be like.
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