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Post by artysid on Mar 5, 2017 13:57:50 GMT 1
I look forward to you calling him out, then. Don't forget to watch it, now! I will cal him out if that's the way that I see it, I'll watch it when I get the chance. Why not take 5 minutes out from posting on here to watch it? and don't post again until you have?
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Mar 5, 2017 14:02:42 GMT 1
Yeah, pretty straightforward I think - they got 2 lucky goals and were organised enough to get behind the ball and keep us out. Had they not gone 2 goals up, it would have been a better match and more openings for Town. They probably deserved to shade it 2-1 for their organisation, but they were only able to do this with the lucky 2-0 lead. Agree with sonny that banging on about the ref is tiresome. By all means get on their back during the game if you reckon they're not giving us what we deserve - we might get the odd consolation pen - but endless tripe after the game gets us where exactly? Coleman made a complete pig's ear of the third (and shouldn't have been encouraged to get forward). 1) don't do it again, 2) simple mistake, he should be proud of what he's done in the cup and the odd league match and build. Finally, I thought Brown was worryingly ineffective yesterday. Anyway, 3rd premier league opposition in a row Tuesday - let's beat one of them or else not sure I'm looking forward to promotion! UTT! they kicked shit out of him from the first whistle, this was probably the refs main error
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 14:03:57 GMT 1
Mick, you were bloody lucky. I think this has probably just about sealed things for yourselves but stranger things have happened. That equaliser v Brighton and a blatant handball being ignored have set up 6 points for you this week. If we were in the same position 99% of this board would be in denial as well though, so no issue with the football bias aspects. If you can be objective, how did we stack up in your eyes? I haven't denied that we were lucky at times, all I've said is that we've had luck go for and against us throughout the season. You played well, your football was great to watch and you've improved massively, you're league position is where it is on merit and I really hope that it's rewarded at the end of the season. I think you're lacking a clinical finisher and you were struggling to actually create clear cut chances but we've been in that position this season when our opponents have pulled everybody back to that isn't really a criticism. For all of your possession and shots, it was actually 6 on target for you and 5 on target for us so everything that you did made little difference where it matters. You learn from games like these and I'm sure you'll be more able to combat it in future because your manager seems to be a good thinker. I'm not sure you tried anything different during the game to get at us and you seemed to do the same things throughout the game and I felt reasonably comfortable the way that the game was going. Don't take my comments as being negative, 3rd top at this stage of the season is a great position to be in and I hope that you push on from here and get yesterday straight out of your system.
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Post by Jack on Mar 5, 2017 14:05:40 GMT 1
But Ritchie didn't just 'go down when running at pace'... he had to tap his own ankle to facilitate that. That's called cheating, my friend. He cheated, you got an unfair advantage which then changed the whole course of the game. You might at least be big enough to acknowledge that. I've already said that I haven't seen Ritchie tap his own ankle so I can't comment on it. I will try to watch it again later. Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 14:07:46 GMT 1
From that angle it looked like there was contact between the two players, it also looked as if he'd clipped himself. The jury is still out but I agree that he did contact himself.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 14:09:02 GMT 1
I will cal him out if that's the way that I see it, I'll watch it when I get the chance. Why not take 5 minutes out from posting on here to watch it? and don't post again until you have? Because I'll watch the full game later, I'm not the only person in the house and I've already watched the full game once so have to give and take.
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Post by ACW on Mar 5, 2017 14:22:13 GMT 1
Hit us on the break? All you did was hoof the ball aimlessly up the pitch! You couldn't string 3 passes together all game. Wigan soaked up pressure and hit us on the break with good passing from our attacks. That is hitting a team on the break. Your lot just hoofed the ball whenever you got it. Even Shelvey. We did hit you on the break whether you agree or not, I'm actually surprised that this is debatable. So you would argue hopefully hoofing the ball up is hitting a team on the break? Were you satisfied your team couldn't string three passes together all game?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:27:07 GMT 1
I've already said that I haven't seen Ritchie tap his own ankle so I can't comment on it. I will try to watch it again later. Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it. A video ref gives it if he's never played the game It isn't a foul. Wells did not make a move to play the ball or the man, just an accidental collision of legs.
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Post by CaptainHart on Mar 5, 2017 14:29:29 GMT 1
I've already said that I haven't seen Ritchie tap his own ankle so I can't comment on it. I will try to watch it again later. Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it. Sorry, a video ref gives the handball.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 5, 2017 14:45:30 GMT 1
We have a problem v that type of defending as per Wendies and Wigan. big defenders sitting deep? ball goes in at pace from the wide, quicker and more often, head height or lower, gives everyone a chance.? big lads like to get set.. like bambi on ice when they dont get time... playing in front of them is a gift... trying to always squeeze it through the eye of a needle is tough.. all the above because we do not have a big target striker.. thats not an argument, we dont have one and thats that... Another issue against a sat back defence is that it sort of nullifies our full backs. I think between them they got round the back twice yesterday. Any way the situation is clear - sign Llorente and get some balls in to him - we just need that option. It needn't compromise our general brilliance.
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Post by maggymay on Mar 5, 2017 14:53:05 GMT 1
Stop whinging,you got beat of a team better not just on the day but all season,top goal scorers ,least goals conceded ,most wins ,you have potentially a good team and a good manager, but that's all it is?. Rafa is the best manager outside the premier league and got his tactics spot on,you might have had the majority of possession but that was balls played across your own box and halfway line?.you will be found out very quickly when your up against good sides like yesterday and when you play villa, don't be so naive to suggest Huddersfield are the best team in the league after yesterday's performance?,we've had our top goal scorer missing for nearly 2 months and still have won games, we are we're we are because of rafas tactics and the players performing week after week,and let's not forget we played brighton away on Tuesday when your reserves were playing city so if we tired it was acceptable what's your excuse?.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 5, 2017 14:53:37 GMT 1
Some posters on here need to drink a pint of Man Up.
I was the first to admit that Sheff Wed did a number on us earlier in the season but Newcastle certainly didn't do that yesterday. They got lucky with a non penalty and a piece of soft as shit keeping and were second best all over the field.
It wasn't our day yesterday, simple as.
I hope the team and Wagner aren't as pathetic as some of our fans have been.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Mar 5, 2017 14:57:35 GMT 1
Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it. Sorry, a video ref gives the handball. A couple of points . - Newcastle were not the best team. They got the rub of the green. Out played for big lumps of the game
- There penalty was very soft he tripped himself mainly and it was handball in the build up. We should have cleared sooner.
- 2nd goal Foul.
- 3rd goal came out of our strategy to gain a draw.
- Our penalty was soft but a pen
- We out played them for the bulk of the game.
- The ref let them away with persistent fouling - izzy will be black & blue today. Poor reffing
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- C5 are pathetic, factually wrong, biased and poor presentors, clamouring to the masses. 74% of the game 25% of the highlights. No mention of our dominance. Bighton & newcastle head and shoulders my arse.
- there are 3 outstanding teams in this league
- Newcastle, full of premisership pedigree and spending millions
- Brighton, well organised well managed and a very good team
- The town. A minor miracle who tore the 2 other outstanding teams in pieces.
- The pricks who throw stuff on the pitch and the like, are a threat to our team, the atmosphere at the club and our sucess. We have to make our team as proud of us as we are of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:12:56 GMT 1
Yes they were better defensively than other teams we've faced but again when you're only trying to defend and no intention to even bother with the breakaway then the task is far easier. The ref gave far too much leeway with their fouling too- did not protect out players at all. We are very lucky to have escaped without (hopefully) any serious injuries. Should applaud them. Get two up and see the game out. Not for me. Nor is it sour grapes. Like Wagner says against the strongest side in the league you cant afford things to go against you as they did. Just one of those games. If they'd gone for it from minute one, dominated play, scored two great goals then shut up shop of course I'd applaud them, but that's not what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:14:32 GMT 1
Sorry, a video ref gives the handball. A couple of points . - Newcastle were not the best team. They got the rub of the green. Out played for big lumps of the game
- There penalty was very soft he tripped himself mainly and it was handball in the build up. We should have cleared sooner.
- 2nd goal Foul.
- 3rd goal came out of our strategy to gain a draw.
- Our penalty was soft but a pen
- We out played them for the bulk of the game.
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- The ref let them away with persistent fouling - izzy will be black & blue today. Poor reffing
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- C5 are pathetic, factually wrong, biased and poor presentors, clamouring to the masses. 74% of the game 25% of the highlights. No mention of our dominance. Bighton & newcastle head and shoulders my arse.
- there are 3 outstanding teams in this league
- Newcastle, full of premisership pedigree and spending millions
- Brighton, well organised well managed and a very good team
- The town. A minor miracle who tore the 2 other outstanding teams in pieces.
- The pricks who throw stuff on the pitch and the like, are a threat to our team, the atmosphere at the club and our sucess. We have to make our team as proud of us as we are of them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 5, 2017 15:34:30 GMT 1
What were his perfect tactics exactly?? To rely on bad refereeing decisions going your way and a lousy keeper error?? You were really poor on the day. Got handed a 2 goal cushion and managed to hang onto it by parking the bus. Its the results that count, but if you think it was some 'tactical genius' by benitez, youre kidding yourself. You are very much getting the rub lately. Look through your last dozen or so league goals and its an array of blunders, ricochets, own goals, flukes .. Maybe you put luck like that down to Benitez and his tactics? His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by. Did you hit us on the break with slick passing movements then? Not in the slightest. The ref and our keeper handed you a very undeserved 2 goal cushion and you clung on to it by parking the bus. fair enough but don't try and make out it was a tactical victory for benitez. He got very lucky ( again)
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Post by paullow1 on Mar 5, 2017 15:37:58 GMT 1
Got to say I was very impressed with Huddersfield yesterday, we were on the back foot for pretty much the whole game and while you may have been restricted largely to long range efforts, it was a very nervy game (for me) and seemed to go on for ages due to the constant pressure. Obviously you'll kind of expect it away to the likes of City, Chelsea etc, but i can't remember a game, certainly in the second tier (in our 2 spells in my time) where we've hardly had the ball and had to soak up so much pressure and territorial advantage.
I'll certainly be watching your 3 future Sky games as I've been very impressed with the last 4 Sky league games i've seen from you (i missed the Wigan defeat and can't really remember the earlier televised Sheff Wed game) and I do genuinely hope you seal promotion whether it is automatic of through the playoffs.
As for Newcastle, not taking anything for granted just yet as it is feasible we could end up with 0, 1 or 2 points from these next 2 games and then 5 and 11 point leads can dwindle in no time, but at the same time, I would be very shocked and disappointed if we didn;t go up from this position and I think you'd probably have to win about 10 of your last 12 to have a chance. Still not bothered about the title despite the 5 point gap as there's not much more advantage finishing 1st or 2nd, we basically need to go up and i don;t mind how it happens.
Still not at a stage of hoping you win because of the points mentioned above but there are still some huge games coming up. Leeds play Brighton before the international break which i'm sure we will both have a firm eye on.
April will be a huge month with about 7 games for most, we obviously have strength in depth after our well documented spending, and you do too as your cup run proved and players like Quanner, Payne, Billing, Lolley can all come in and not be of detriment to team, plus Palmer to come back for competition with Brown - and i'm not sure Brighton have the same strength, plus it looked like they picked up a couple of injuries yesterday.
I think the 3 of us have shown we are clearly the best in this league and it would be a shame if all 3 didn't come up.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 5, 2017 15:43:46 GMT 1
Stop whinging,you got beat of a team better not just on the day but all season,top goal scorers ,least goals conceded ,most wins ,you have potentially a good team and a good manager, but that's all it is?. Rafa is the best manager outside the premier league and got his tactics spot on,you might have had the majority of possession but that was balls played across your own box and halfway line?.you will be found out very quickly when your up against good sides like yesterday and when you play villa, don't be so naive to suggest Huddersfield are the best team in the league after yesterday's performance?,we've had our top goal scorer missing for nearly 2 months and still have won games, we are we're we are because of rafas tactics and the players performing week after week,and let's not forget we played brighton away on Tuesday when your reserves were playing city so if we tired it was acceptable what's your excuse?. Youre top of the league because you have tens upon tens of millions more to spend than everyone else. And you have an uncanny ability to get the lucky breaks game after game. So when youre top scorer is out you have an array of other top players to call on. You were 2nd best but you won. The sign of champions in fairness. As for being found out quickly- its March and we're 3rd you idiot. If rafa inherited the team wagner did here and had what wagners had to spend on it, we'd be in a relegation scrap, so stuff your inane 'best manager' shite.
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Post by itsmemick on Mar 5, 2017 15:44:28 GMT 1
His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by. Did you hit us on the break with slick passing movements then? Not in the slightest. The ref and our keeper handed you a very undeserved 2 goal cushion and you clung on to it by parking the bus. fair enough but don't try and make out it was a tactical victory for benitez. He got very lucky ( again) No we didn't hit you on the break with slick passing football but I do think that it was a tactical victory by Rafa, he's a top manager, the best in the league by miles.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 5, 2017 15:58:29 GMT 1
Stop whinging,you got beat of a team better not just on the day but all season,top goal scorers ,least goals conceded ,most wins ,you have potentially a good team and a good manager, but that's all it is?. Rafa is the best manager outside the premier league and got his tactics spot on,you might have had the majority of possession but that was balls played across your own box and halfway line?.you will be found out very quickly when your up against good sides like yesterday and when you play villa, don't be so naive to suggest Huddersfield are the best team in the league after yesterday's performance?,we've had our top goal scorer missing for nearly 2 months and still have won games, we are we're we are because of rafas tactics and the players performing week after week,and let's not forget we played brighton away on Tuesday when your reserves were playing city so if we tired it was acceptable what's your excuse?. Fair points about the overall season, you are top on merit. Just don't give me that bullshit about Rafa's tactics or that yesterday validated this. He's a good manager, but has one hell of an advantage with a huge kitty compared to most of the competition, so it makes it a hell of a lot easier for him than his counterparts.
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Post by araucaria on Mar 5, 2017 16:00:49 GMT 1
What were his perfect tactics exactly?? To rely on bad refereeing decisions going your way and a lousy keeper error?? You were really poor on the day. Got handed a 2 goal cushion and managed to hang onto it by parking the bus. Its the results that count, but if you think it was some 'tactical genius' by benitez, youre kidding yourself. You are very much getting the rub lately. Look through your last dozen or so league goals and its an array of blunders, ricochets, own goals, flukes .. Maybe you put luck like that down to Benitez and his tactics? His tactics were to soak up pressure then hit you on the break. As for getting luck, we are. I could also point to as many games where we haven't got the luck and the luck has gone the other way. Forest away is a prime example and it's a game which unsettled us for weeks as everybody at the club felt hard done by. Ah yes, that Forest game, the one where you were unlucky. But even that debacle had a silver lining, I recall, what with both your red cards being rescinded. Please can you explain how a fellow can successfully appeal against a sending off for repeatedly kicking another player in the head? We certainly couldn't afford Newcastle's lawyer.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 5, 2017 16:01:43 GMT 1
Did you hit us on the break with slick passing movements then? Not in the slightest. The ref and our keeper handed you a very undeserved 2 goal cushion and you clung on to it by parking the bus. fair enough but don't try and make out it was a tactical victory for benitez. He got very lucky ( again) No we didn't hit you on the break with slick passing football but I do think that it was a tactical victory by Rafa, he's a top manager, the best in the league by miles. Why? because he has the team that was put together with VASTLY more money than anyone else at the top? Would he be doing as good a job at Town as wagner is with the same inherited squad and same budget?? Would he hell!! And how was it a tactical victory? You just admitted you didn't play counterattacking football. So his tactical victory was that he planned to be handed 2 goals by mistakes and desperately cling on? You're talking shite mate.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 5, 2017 16:03:55 GMT 1
Did you hit us on the break with slick passing movements then? Not in the slightest. The ref and our keeper handed you a very undeserved 2 goal cushion and you clung on to it by parking the bus. fair enough but don't try and make out it was a tactical victory for benitez. He got very lucky ( again) No we didn't hit you on the break with slick passing football but I do think that it was a tactical victory by Rafa, he's a top manager, the best in the league by miles. I so don't want to sound bitter and you've been one of the best opposition fans, but 'best in the league by miles'...... Seriously, what a load of bullshit. He's going into a war with men equipped with machine guns against men using muskets. Makes his job a little bit easier.
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Post by wtd on Mar 5, 2017 16:06:38 GMT 1
I've already said that I haven't seen Ritchie tap his own ankle so I can't comment on it. I will try to watch it again later. Sorry Town fans. Ritchie was clipped by Wells. Obviously couldn't tell from the stands on the night but they have one zoom angle on the tv replays that clearly showed it. Most angles are inconclusive but the one they showed, I think it was after the game, you could see there was contact. Sorry. You could argue he was looking for it and I think the ref was guessing in real time but in these modern times its a pen, soft or not. A video ref gives it. Contact ISN'T necessarily a penalty. Tripping yourself up definitely IS cheating.
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Post by wtd on Mar 5, 2017 16:15:03 GMT 1
Did you hit us on the break with slick passing movements then? Not in the slightest. The ref and our keeper handed you a very undeserved 2 goal cushion and you clung on to it by parking the bus. fair enough but don't try and make out it was a tactical victory for benitez. He got very lucky ( again) No we didn't hit you on the break with slick passing football but I do think that it was a tactical victory by Rafa, he's a top manager, the best in the league by miles. You can't possibly say that until he's had to manage on Wagner's budget. Also, your theory that he tactically allowed/wanted his team to be constantly under pressure for most of the game is just risible IMO. You were under pressure because you were unable to keep the ball when you did get it.
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Post by araucaria on Mar 5, 2017 16:17:42 GMT 1
Got to say I was very impressed with Huddersfield yesterday, we were on the back foot for pretty much the whole game and while you may have been restricted largely to long range efforts, it was a very nervy game (for me) and seemed to go on for ages due to the constant pressure. Obviously you'll kind of expect it away to the likes of City, Chelsea etc, but i can't remember a game, certainly in the second tier (in our 2 spells in my time) where we've hardly had the ball and had to soak up so much pressure and territorial advantage. I'll certainly be watching your 3 future Sky games as I've been very impressed with the last 4 Sky league games i've seen from you (i missed the Wigan defeat and can't really remember the earlier televised Sheff Wed game) and I do genuinely hope you seal promotion whether it is automatic of through the playoffs. As for Newcastle, not taking anything for granted just yet as it is feasible we could end up with 0, 1 or 2 points from these next 2 games and then 5 and 11 point leads can dwindle in no time, but at the same time, I would be very shocked and disappointed if we didn;t go up from this position and I think you'd probably have to win about 10 of your last 12 to have a chance. Still not bothered about the title despite the 5 point gap as there's not much more advantage finishing 1st or 2nd, we basically need to go up and i don;t mind how it happens. Still not at a stage of hoping you win because of the points mentioned above but there are still some huge games coming up. Leeds play Brighton before the international break which i'm sure we will both have a firm eye on. April will be a huge month with about 7 games for most, we obviously have strength in depth after our well documented spending, and you do too as your cup run proved and players like Quanner, Payne, Billing, Lolley can all come in and not be of detriment to team, plus Palmer to come back for competition with Brown - and i'm not sure Brighton have the same strength, plus it looked like they picked up a couple of injuries yesterday. I think the 3 of us have shown we are clearly the best in this league and it would be a shame if all 3 didn't come up. An excellent post. The point about strength in depth is a good one. I think that our 'cup' team proved, not only by becoming only the sixth team this season to shut out Man City but by winning 4-0 at Rochdale while your reserves were losing at Oxford and Brighton's at Lincoln, that we've got 22 players who can do a job at this level. But the lazy pundits were at it again last Tuesday: 'these are the two strongest squads in the league'. [If only you had appointed the genius that is Rafa a few matches sooner last season, we would almost certainly now be sitting pretty in second place as Sunderland began their now traditional two or more attempts to get out of this league. I've no doubt that you, at least, will be swapping places with them this time.]
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Post by maggymay on Mar 5, 2017 16:20:11 GMT 1
Like I said we played Brighton on Tuesday when your players were sitting in the house drinking tea?, we then beat Brighton and then Huddersfield,according to everyone we were lucky?, define lucky?, did you miss loads of chances? NO did your players perform like they did against Brighton?NO why?, because we've got one of the best managers in world football. As for spending millions ?, that's what very big clubs do,one of the best fan bases in Europe and the stadium up with the best in the premier league?, yes we've been relegated twice in the last 8years but this is because of mismanagement and shite players who didn't give a damn, we now have players who are proud to wear the shirt and see the toon as there only team not a stepping stone for so called bigger things?. Yes we have spent millions but we sold 15 players with a balance of 30 million in the bank and signed 13 players and stand 5 points clear in the championship,all of this is down to 1 man take a bow Rafa.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 5, 2017 16:23:27 GMT 1
Should applaud them. Get two up and see the game out. Not for me. Nor is it sour grapes. Like Wagner says against the strongest side in the league you cant afford things to go against you as they did. Just one of those games. If they'd gone for it from minute one, dominated play, scored two great goals then shut up shop of course I'd applaud them, but that's not what happened. You seem to be blaming them for their good fortune. Not sure what we are arguing about to be honest. They took good advantage of the circumstances and did a job on us. I think we are a better team and would have beaten them 6 times out of 10.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 5, 2017 16:25:39 GMT 1
You are a massive club. No argument about it. But winning this division with the ENORMOUS financial advantage Rafa has does not mean he is the best manager in the division.
Hes ended up managing Newcastle in the 2nd tier because he clearly isn't one of the best managers in world football!
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Post by space hardware on Mar 5, 2017 16:27:37 GMT 1
Like I said we played Brighton on Tuesday when your players were sitting in the house drinking tea?, we then beat Brighton and then Huddersfield,according to everyone we were lucky?, define lucky?, did you miss loads of chances? NO did your players perform like they did against Brighton?NO why?, because we've got one of the best managers in world football. As for spending millions ?, that's what very big clubs do,one of the best fan bases in Europe and the stadium up with the best in the premier league?, yes we've been relegated twice in the last 8years but this is because of mismanagement and shite players who didn't give a damn, we now have players who are proud to wear the shirt and see the toon as there only team not a stepping stone for so called bigger things?. Yes we have spent millions but we sold 15 players with a balance of 30 million in the bank and signed 13 players and stand 5 points clear in the championship,all of this is down to 1 man take a bow Rafa. I think Rafa is a top manager, you have to be to win the Champions League. And fair play to him for sticking around this season.
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