Dean Hoyle, QnA at PPG Canalside this Thursday, 7 to 830

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I think it may have been an alien abduction plot. Everyone that went has mysteriously disappeared.

[greyarea]

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

[stevvy]

No game time bad for us in terms of people thinking he'll not be match fit and can't prove he can cut it in the PL so less likely to be sold.

Bad for him because he could basically spend a year on the sidelines (agree about badly advised, yes he'll get paid for sitting on his arse but ut won't do his career much good in effect spending a year out)

[upthetown]

Aug 17, 2017 21:50:32 GMT 1 stevvy said:

No game time bad for us in terms of people thinking he'll not be match fit and can't prove he can cut it in the PL so less likely to be sold.

Bad for him because he could basically spend a year on the sidelines (agree about badly advised, yes he'll get paid for sitting on his arse but ut won't do his career much good in effect spending a year out)

Awaits Nahki's dad logging on again to tell us off some more.

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Not great for maximising any sale value either. If we aren't gonna play him and we aren't gonna keep him we can hardly demand a top fee to let him go.

[drayltonboy (independent)]

Aug 17, 2017 20:24:04 GMT 1 @davva360 said:

Aug 17, 2017 20:14:00 GMT 1 greyarea said:

The club has asked for it not to be streamed due to complications. If it did we'd probably not have another Dean Hoyle q&a. I'm sure people will be happy to give an update on what was said at the end

Probably don't want it streaming in case Deano lets something slip that he shouldn't. It would be nice if they could stream future events for those of us trying to watch from overseas though. Hopefully someone will post updates after the event.

FYI, I was only joking about Periscope.

It t was said that it is precisely because whatever Dean said could be broadcast abroad, that they wanted it in camera.
We're with the big boys now and today's candid comment could be headlines around the world. Last year nobody outside Town cared but now we have worldwide interest.. Or so they say.

[hasta el pueblo]

Aug 17, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1 greyarea said:

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

Anything said about Davidson and why he's still here?

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What is bad about the Nahki situation to me is all he has to do is sign an extra year and he would be back in the fold. He may think we are going back down and he wants to stay in the Premier League, but this approach may just mean he never plays in the Premier League. Definitely bad advice in my opinion.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:53:38 GMT 1 @laura1 said:

Not great for maximising any sale value either. If we aren't gonna play him and we aren't gonna keep him we can hardly demand a top fee to let him go.

We're minted, doesn't matter. The upside of it is Bradford won't get any sell on

[bigfatmonkey]

Aug 17, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1 greyarea said:

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

Did he mention whether or not an offer for Wells is still on the table, should he choose to commit?

[jqhtfc]

Well brought it himself, had a chance to sign a new deal but thought he'd play the game and risk it incase we didn't go up we did bought better and now he looks a little silly!.

[huddersfc]

If we arent going to play Wells then get him sold to a championship team and use the money elsewhere, pointless letting him do nowt for 12 months

[shatterrier]

Aug 17, 2017 20:09:51 GMT 1 @davva360 said:

Someone stick it on Periscope! Or at least give us an update when it's over

Jesus, we've got a submarine in the canal.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 17, 2017 22:07:26 GMT 1 huddersfc said:

If we arent going to play Wells then get him sold to a championship team and use the money elsewhere, pointless letting him do nowt for 12 months

Yeah we are trying .. all teams have been alerted

[Sio]

Wells thinks highly of himself doesn't he. His absolute best chance of reaching the PL was with Town, yet seemingly he didn't think the same. Really don't know what he expects because he's bang average.

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Aug 17, 2017 22:07:26 GMT 1 huddersfc said:

If we arent going to play Wells then get him sold to a championship team and use the money elsewhere, pointless letting him do nowt for 12 months

I would agree, assuming someone wants him and is willing to pay what we want.

[greyarea]

Aug 17, 2017 22:02:03 GMT 1 bigfatmonkey said:

Aug 17, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1 greyarea said:

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

Did he mention whether or not an offer for Wells is still on the table, should he choose to commit?

I 'think' it is. Dean said " you can't force a player to sign a contract". So I presume the contract off is still there.

The situation has played out to Wells disadvantage. Nobody expected Town to get promoted so Wells looked to run his contract down to then get a move to a lower premiship club, top championship club. However Town have been promoted. Hoyle Spoke about de-risking an asset. He cost 1.3M, not on huge wages now we are premiership, so either sort yourself out another club or hang around and don't play for a year. It's up to Nanki.

Hoyle did say Wagner only wanted players who are committed to the longer term of the club. So there is no problems from the playing side of Htafc.

[arroloui]

Haha
And everybody thought we could have had a problem with ince
A d all along the one with the problem is already at the club ..
Let him rot in the reserves.

[artysid]

Aug 17, 2017 22:04:42 GMT 1 jqhtfc said:

Well brought it himself, had a chance to sign a new deal but thought he'd play the game and risk it incase we didn't go up we did bought better and now he looks a little silly!.

Sounded like he was offered a deal after promotion had been secured, but still turned it down.

[zoso]

Aug 17, 2017 22:07:26 GMT 1 huddersfc said:

If we arent going to play Wells then get him sold to a championship team and use the money elsewhere, pointless letting him do nowt for 12 months

That's probably the idea, but he doesn't have to go if he doesn't agree personal terms with the other club. 

[arroloui]

He's a dick send him to Bradford.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Nahki may lose a year but will sign for who he decides from the interested parties in 12 months. In reality the club has lost out on the sale and the player gets fit without risk of injury and gets a big signing on fee from his new club.

I can definitely see why his agent has advised him to do this, even though I'd like him to commit to and fight to play for us.

In reality, he would probably get a rise in salary too from one of the bigger Championship clubs. I'm sure this was the plan for Nahki by his agent once they learned we were in for Uth and Terodde last season, thus his 'Dad' talking of Wagner's love of Germans.

Thanks for the memories Nahki but so sad to see it end this way.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1 greyarea said:

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

thanks for that and on the wells situation I understand towns stance the lad has made a rod for his own back as for scannell and lolley out on loan his right if not part of first team plans also yiadom situation clear. anything said about academy?

[RossoneriTerrier]

Spoke to Nahki before the game at Bury in preseason. Told us that he planned to sign a new deal. Had spoken to him before end of last season and he claimed that a new deal wasn't on the table, but his dream since being a kid was to play in the Premier League and he wanted to do that with Town.

All a bit strange to me, think there's been a bit of a breakdown from both sides. I like Nahki, he's a nice lad with a lot of time for fans, but if true and he's put the club in a difficult position then he has to go.

[Deleted]

Aug 17, 2017 22:07:26 GMT 1 huddersfc said:

If we arent going to play Wells then get him sold to a championship team and use the money elsewhere, pointless letting him do nowt for 12 months

someone has to make a offer first.

[Doc Halladay 32]

How can it be bad for Nahki? Signing a longer contract for a club where you're likely to be stuck as third choice or use the freedom of contract in 12 short months and get a move to a club that wants you and you can decide the destination that suits you the best.

IMO Signing a longer contract for Town would have been worse for his career in the long term.

[greyarea]

Aug 17, 2017 22:18:16 GMT 1 @positive said:

Aug 17, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1 greyarea said:

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

thanks for that and on the wells situation I understand towns stance the lad has made a rod for his own back as for scannell and lolley out on loan his right if not part of first team plans also yiadom situation clear. anything said about academy?

On the academy, Hoyle feels it has not produce good enough players or enough of them. It cost 1M a year so over 10years 10M but have only made around £5M o nsales (Jack hunt, Alex Smithies and he included Jon Stead). So something needs to change and they are carrying out a review at present. It could be expanding the academy or reducing the academy he wasn't sure. Hoyle was quite clear that change is needed because it is failing at the moment.

The won't fully close the academy like Brentford have for quite a few reasons but change is definitely coming to the whole academy setup.

[greyarea]

Aug 17, 2017 22:19:39 GMT 1 RossoneriTerrier said:

Spoke to Nahki before the game at Bury in preseason. Told us that he planned to sign a new deal. Had spoken to him before end of last season and he claimed that a new deal wasn't on the table, but his dream since being a kid was to play in the Premier League and he wanted to do that with Town.

All a bit strange to me, think there's been a bit of a breakdown from both sides. I like Nahki, he's a nice lad with a lot of time for fans, but if true and he's put the club in a difficult position then he has to go.

I agree, yes a nice pad and has done well for us. Looks to have been poorly advised.

[teddytheterrier]

Get him sold Deano.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1 greyarea said:

Some comments related to players:

Nanki Wells: available for sale. Wells decided to run down his contact, Hoyle feels he has been badly advised. Wells nice guy and no problems but if he won't commit to the club then he can ether find a new club or send the year not playing for Town. Hoyles view was with being in the premiership we can afford the one year cost effect, but we will not give him game time, when other players who have a long term future wish to play.

Scannell is available from loan and is probably not par of the first team plans.

Lolley available from loan again probably not part of 1st team plans.

Yiadom deal fell through due to medical. He'll be fine longer term but wouldn't be available as cover for Tommy Smith initially. So it wasn't worth the preliminary price we were paying.

We are still looking forward to cover at rightback, No10 and possibly centreback. Ideally looking at someone who could cover both rightback and centreback.

Cheers. 

Seems a little odd publicly stating we won't give Wells game time. I'm far from convinced he's got enough for the PL, but it is easy to imagine a scenario where Mounie gets injured and Depoitre proves not to be up to it and he's needed.

I'd personally be looking to keep one of Lolley and Scannell, probably the latter, as squad players. Again, I doubt either of them are of the required standard, but we can afford the wages for a year to be on the safe side and Scannell does give you power and pace, which is always useful, especially from the bench.