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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 20, 2017 20:25:33 GMT 1
The decision has been made. I'm assuming the next few weeks will see further re-structuring on the coaching side (Hudson's role has to be sorted out - he was alongside Bunn for the U23 game apparently, and was at Selhurst last night). I wouldn't be surprised to see some signings in January specifically for the U18 and U23 teams. Didn't Leeds do this in the last window? I see Ethan Ampadu is on the bench for Chelsea tonight - not bad for a 17 year old and obviously must have impressed since being nabbed from Exeter (still no agreement on transfer fee). Couple of questions Epsom how much u think Ethan is worth? 3 million? Matt Grimes went for 1.5 I think and he has stalled unfortunately. Final question is what's happens to Christy pymm?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:25:34 GMT 1
The jury's out with scofield and Williams until they're established . You couldn't really describe Billing as a product of the academy , joining at 16 .We keep complaining of the geography with Utd and city . I couldn't see Leeds closing their academy down ! Can't believe the number of people on this thread just dismissing the achievements of Williams and Scofield in representing England U17 and just writing them off as footballers before they've had a chance. Town fans should be proud of their achievements. Regardless of your opinion on the academy at least with one you have a chance of "one of uour own" playing for the club. Now there's no chance. No one is saying they aren't proud but we've seen it too many times with our young players representing England youth teams and then being nowhere near to the standard required even in league two Looking at his defending for the first goal last night, Williams has a lot of improving to do too
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 20, 2017 20:31:54 GMT 1
I've heard the arguments & decision on RL, not convinced, as he's justifying his decision to scrap the Cat 2 status. There's cold calculating logic to his arguments, it's almost like he's justifying moving the manufacture of 'Greeting Cards,' to China. My trust in Dean Hoyle, had been diminished, his tenure at our Club, has been magnificent, that's why many fans are giving him 'the benefit of the doubt.' Premier League & Football League totals 92 - how many Championship Clubs run Cat 2 & how many Premier Clubs run Cat 1, he's just thrown the towel in, binning any prospect of nurturing & developing our own players. Or perhaps it is also to do with the fact that what he has said makes some sense and that the majority of people understand (if not agree in full) with the decision. That's fair. It still doesn't sit well with me, I haven't been entirely convinced with the justification, plus heard a few things to suggest it hasn't been handled great either. However, I don't know all the facts, the Town Foundation may pacify my issue with there being more to this than the cold hard facts of the cost vs producing players, so I do accept it and won't be questioning it again nor changing my view of DH.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:34:19 GMT 1
Arnt they going on trial? I Hope they are deemed good enough to be taken on we will see.But you seem to be in denial that the academy has a whole as not delivered where ever the blame lies.As I have said the chairman has put a lot of money in to the academy and the returns have been poor and nothing anyone says can deny that. Like I keep saying why is our academy failing when Barnsley have had stones bree digby holgate come through There were problems with the games program and a focus on results over development-Those were addressed by Steve Weaver.
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Post by griffa on Sept 20, 2017 20:38:12 GMT 1
Apologies, confused big Phil, with Flo Bo, looks to me that Dean's just lost patience, with the Academy. You need to get real, he's lost 8+ fucking million! Nothing to do with patience. Now I've contributed with blood, sweat & tears through hundreds of miles of cycling and will continue through B&W with £ in support of 18-23s, what's your contribution? Dean during his tenure, has funded Town by up to £50 million, which is tremendously generous He also invested approx £8 million in building Canalside, this money is not lost, indeed Canalside will increase in value. in his RL interview, he stated that the cost of operating Town's Academy was £1.2 million per year. Until recently we've sold players, to fund losses ie Jordan Rhodes, Alex Smithies, Jacob Butterfield, Adam Clayton & Hunt. Where would we be without Dean's millions, who knows, probably struggling in the lower leagues. Like many Town fans I am grateful of Dean's, undoubted altruism. Promotion last season has completely changed the prospects of Huddersfield Town, if we stay up, Dean will inevitably sell Town, to some super rich foreigner, who could blame him. I've watched Town for many years & he is, without doubt, the best Chairman/Owner we've ever had, that's why I'm so disappointed to see the demise of our Academy. Finally no need for the swearing, it's unnecessary & uncalled for, surely you can make your points, without resorting to foul language
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Post by Sarcastic Terrier on Sept 20, 2017 20:38:13 GMT 1
FWIW I'm against completely abandoning the junior levels but I appreciate something has to give. My concern is the B&W foundation and its members, for which I am one. To me the B&W is about contributing to the development of those juniors until they are offered a scholarship or professional terms which gives them an income.
Now we have closed off the junior levels what happens to my money? Does it give an income to an 18-23 year old who has been released by say Man City? If the club want to. Take a chance on some other clubs cast off and give him an income then this should be funded like a 1st team pro, not by fans who want to give local youth prospects a chance.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 20, 2017 20:41:19 GMT 1
The decision has been made. I'm assuming the next few weeks will see further re-structuring on the coaching side (Hudson's role has to be sorted out - he was alongside Bunn for the U23 game apparently, and was at Selhurst last night). I wouldn't be surprised to see some signings in January specifically for the U18 and U23 teams. Didn't Leeds do this in the last window? I see Ethan Ampadu is on the bench for Chelsea tonight - not bad for a 17 year old and obviously must have impressed since being nabbed from Exeter (still no agreement on transfer fee). Couple of questions Epsom how much u think Ethan is worth? 3 million? Matt Grimes went for 1.5 I think and he has stalled unfortunately. Final question is what's happens to Christy pymm? Christy Pym has been first choice since about January and is looking decent - looks bigger and more authoritative now. Word from the Trust is negotiations with Chelsea haven't gone well and Exeter are now looking to go to tribunal as it was thought Chelsea only offered £100k. Thing with Ampadu is it's all about potential, so difficult to put a value on that, but about 15 first team games at 16 in midfield and defence isn't too shabby. Edit: Ampadu now on for Chelsea debut at 17.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:51:08 GMT 1
You know, for lots off intertwining reasons, I wonder if this could all result in an improved local JFL and an actual larger pool of unattached 16/17 year olds for Town to dip into than exists today.
Lots (or some anyway) of kids end up getting on the radar and involved with Leeds, Man City and Liverpool BECAUSE they’ve had an initial look at Town...in the circumstances where a parent wouldn’t give a second thought to wondering if their kid is “good enough”...and then their teacher or Junior coach gets a few lads to go along for trials / see how they fit in....once these kids have had a taste, and the parents switch that mind switch, then suddenly the thought of trawling to Leeds two or three evenings a week becomes something they relish.
Take away that initial seed and they likely end up playing COMPETITIVE junior football, which they enjoy, with their mates (in teams not broken down by their best players leaving to Academy football or getting egos)...and if they’re good enough and driven enough at 10/11/12, they’ll certainly be good enough at 16/17 when that door opens to playing at Town...it’s not as though Academy coaches have a magic wand that makes a significant difference to a players development (although they certainly can guide it in the right direction).
Haven’t really thought this through, just something that came to me.
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Post by griffa on Sept 20, 2017 20:52:13 GMT 1
Like I keep saying why is our academy failing when Barnsley have had stones bree digby holgate come through There were problems with the games program and a focus on results over development-Those were addressed by Steve Weaver. They must have better coaches & structure, than Town, it's alchemy. if our coaches & structures weren't good, that's as a result of appointments & decisions made 5 years ago, by Dean Hoyle & Co.
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 20, 2017 21:29:05 GMT 1
Couple of questions Epsom how much u think Ethan is worth? 3 million? Matt Grimes went for 1.5 I think and he has stalled unfortunately. Final question is what's happens to Christy pymm? Christy Pym has been first choice since about January and is looking decent - looks bigger and more authoritative now. Word from the Trust is negotiations with Chelsea haven't gone well and Exeter are now looking to go to tribunal as it was thought Chelsea only offered £100k. Thing with Ampadu is it's all about potential, so difficult to put a value on that, but about 15 first team games at 16 in midfield and defence isn't too shabby. Edit: Ampadu now on for Chelsea debut at 17. Debut for Chelsea at 17 & in senior Wales squad has to be minimum 3 mill imo
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Post by jjamez on Sept 20, 2017 21:30:41 GMT 1
dont post much, but going to put my two penneth in.
I can see why deano has shut the academy down, someone pointed out john stones et al at barnsley, cook ect at leeds, I think that is one reason, we kept chopping and changing the head honcho of the academy, putting money into it, yet kept missing out local players and I think it has got to a stage where hoyle is questioning what or where his investment is going to a stage where he can no longer justify it.
personally, I think there may have been problems with the scouts looking in the wrong places and/or looking for the wrong things as well as with some of the coaching/coaches, not all will be wrong, hence why some age groups have had better results than others, but there must be an issue somewhere in that area.
Id like to think/hope that this is more like a master reboot, weve spent a lot of time and money sifting through various personnel but getting similar results, I'm hoping that we take a bit of time to completely reassess the set up and with no one under contract in the set up we can identify who and what we want/expect and appoint people without being rushed, poach people ourselves from successful academies be it players or coaches and start from the bottom up with it again. Obviously this part is probably a pipe dream.
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 20, 2017 21:31:13 GMT 1
You know, for lots off intertwining reasons, I wonder if this could all result in an improved local JFL and an actual larger pool of unattached 16/17 year olds for Town to dip into than exists today. Lots (or some anyway) of kids end up getting on the radar and involved with Leeds, Man City and Liverpool BECAUSE they’ve had an initial look at Town...in the circumstances where a parent wouldn’t give a second thought to wondering if their kid is “good enough”...and then their teacher or Junior coach gets a few lads to go along for trials / see how they fit in....once these kids have had a taste, and the parents switch that mind switch, then suddenly the thought of trawling to Leeds two or three evenings a week becomes something they relish. Take away that initial seed and they likely end up playing COMPETITIVE junior football, which they enjoy, with their mates (in teams not broken down by their best players leaving to Academy football or getting egos)...and if they’re good enough and driven enough at 10/11/12, they’ll certainly be good enough at 16/17 when that door opens to playing at Town...it’s not as though Academy coaches have a magic wand that makes a significant difference to a players development (although they certainly can guide it in the right direction). Haven’t really thought this through, just something that came to me. No local talent will play for u18s will be majority foreign lads with odd scot or Man City discard
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Post by howden1953 on Sept 20, 2017 21:40:15 GMT 1
DH is a top benefactor - League 1 or 2 still if not for his investment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:40:28 GMT 1
You need to get real, he's lost 8+ fucking million! Nothing to do with patience. Now I've contributed with blood, sweat & tears through hundreds of miles of cycling and will continue through B&W with £ in support of 18-23s, what's your contribution? Dean during his tenure, has funded Town by up to £50 million, which is tremendously generous He also invested approx £8 million in building Canalside, this money is not lost, indeed Canalside will increase in value. in his RL interview, he stated that the cost of operating Town's Academy was £1.2 million per year. Until recently we've sold players, to fund losses ie Jordan Rhodes, Alex Smithies, Jacob Butterfield, Adam Clayton & Hunt. Where would we be without Dean's millions, who knows, probably struggling in the lower leagues. Like many Town fans I am grateful of Dean's, undoubted altruism. Promotion last season has completely changed the prospects of Huddersfield Town, if we stay up, Dean will inevitably sell Town, to some super rich foreigner, who could blame him. I've watched Town for many years & he is, without doubt, the best Chairman/Owner we've ever had, that's why I'm so disappointed to see the demise of our Academy. Finally no need for the swearing, it's unnecessary & uncalled for, surely you can make your points, without resorting to foul language You have totally avoided the specific points I made! 1) 8 mill loss in the specific area of this thread (academy) 2) The contribution I/you make in comparison I. E. proportion of entitlement to cast judgement. Regarding swearing- I did it for reason. I have read lots of folk rationally responding to your posts & you have singularly failed to take on board the excellent points they made. I thought I would try an 'in your face' rude style to see if you got that instead? Clearly not judging by your response! You appear to be a lost cause to intellectual processing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:48:43 GMT 1
Lads playing in the local junior leagues will aways have a chane of being picked up at 16/17 kids develop at different stages. So it's not the end of the world playing in the HJFL. As for scouts looking in the wrong places, get real a scout will attend every league, tournament going and will always watch a kid that is recommended to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 22:17:54 GMT 1
You know, for lots off intertwining reasons, I wonder if this could all result in an improved local JFL and an actual larger pool of unattached 16/17 year olds for Town to dip into than exists today. Lots (or some anyway) of kids end up getting on the radar and involved with Leeds, Man City and Liverpool BECAUSE they’ve had an initial look at Town...in the circumstances where a parent wouldn’t give a second thought to wondering if their kid is “good enough”...and then their teacher or Junior coach gets a few lads to go along for trials / see how they fit in....once these kids have had a taste, and the parents switch that mind switch, then suddenly the thought of trawling to Leeds two or three evenings a week becomes something they relish. Take away that initial seed and they likely end up playing COMPETITIVE junior football, which they enjoy, with their mates (in teams not broken down by their best players leaving to Academy football or getting egos)...and if they’re good enough and driven enough at 10/11/12, they’ll certainly be good enough at 16/17 when that door opens to playing at Town...it’s not as though Academy coaches have a magic wand that makes a significant difference to a players development (although they certainly can guide it in the right direction). Haven’t really thought this through, just something that came to me. No local talent will play for u18s will be majority foreign lads with odd scot or Man City discard I guess that is entirely dependant on us remaining in the EEA. *If* we exit EEA as well as EU then European kids are likely going to have to meet the kind of qualification criteria that applies to non EEA folk nowadays....ie, no chance whatseover of getting a visa unless they’re already internationals AND Town remain a Premier League club.... www.gov.uk/tier-2-sportsperson-worker-visa
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 20, 2017 22:26:37 GMT 1
Just been texted by a teacher, Sam Murray has been offered a deal by Man Utd is the best player he's ever seen at that age 12/13. Said he's like a young Juan Mata and has represented England.
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Post by griffa on Sept 20, 2017 22:37:27 GMT 1
Dean during his tenure, has funded Town by up to £50 million, which is tremendously generous He also invested approx £8 million in building Canalside, this money is not lost, indeed Canalside will increase in value. in his RL interview, he stated that the cost of operating Town's Academy was £1.2 million per year. Until recently we've sold players, to fund losses ie Jordan Rhodes, Alex Smithies, Jacob Butterfield, Adam Clayton & Hunt. Where would we be without Dean's millions, who knows, probably struggling in the lower leagues. Like many Town fans I am grateful of Dean's, undoubted altruism. Promotion last season has completely changed the prospects of Huddersfield Town, if we stay up, Dean will inevitably sell Town, to some super rich foreigner, who could blame him. I've watched Town for many years & he is, without doubt, the best Chairman/Owner we've ever had, that's why I'm so disappointed to see the demise of our Academy. Finally no need for the swearing, it's unnecessary & uncalled for, surely you can make your points, without resorting to foul language You have totally avoided the specific points I made! 1) 8 mill loss in the specific area of this thread (academy) 2) The contribution I/you make in comparison I. E. proportion of entitlement to cast judgement. Regarding swearing- I did it for reason. I have read lots of folk rationally responding to your posts & you have singularly failed to take on board the excellent points they made. I thought I would try an 'in your face' rude style to see if you got that instead? Clearly not judging by your response! You appear to be a lost cause to intellectual processing. Wrong I did address the £8 million, you were non specific, about the money. Were you referring to the £8 million spent on Canalside? Were you suggesting that we spend £8 million per year, running the Academy I reiterate Dean stated on RL, during his interview that the cost of running the Academy is £1.2 million per year. Intellectual processing, don't make me laugh, I fully understand all the aspects of the points made by Dean, he was very plausible, in the RL interview, despite which I disagree with the scrapping of Town's Academy. Unfortunately, he will not lose any sleep about my & many fellow Town fans opinions, the decision has been made, it is final. I respect your view, don't agree with it, intellectual processing, must say, that's the must polite insult anybody has ever, thrown my way & all because I disagree with your point of view!
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Post by crux on Sept 20, 2017 22:45:22 GMT 1
Just been texted by a teacher, Sam Murray has been offered a deal by Man Utd is the best player he's ever seen at that age 12/13. Said he's like a young Juan Mata and has represented England. There's still probably less than a 10% chance he'll make it as a professional and probably less than a 1% chance at the top level. I'm glad he has found a place, the same with any others finding another academy. The best will find somewhere, those that don't can go back to playing local football purely for the love of the game. It still 'feels' the wrong decision, but the more you think about it the more sensible it is. We now need premier league or championship level recruits and unless we went to cat 1 any decent players would get poached before 16 for limited returns. Funding a category 1 academy if we end up being relegated could be catastrophic for the club.
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 20, 2017 23:15:21 GMT 1
Just been texted by a teacher, Sam Murray has been offered a deal by Man Utd is the best player he's ever seen at that age 12/13. Said he's like a young Juan Mata and has represented England. There's still probably less than a 10% chance he'll make it as a professional and probably less than a 1% chance at the top level. I'm glad he has found a place, the same with any others finding another academy. The best will find somewhere, those that don't can go back to playing local football purely for the love of the game. It still 'feels' the wrong decision, but the more you think about it the more sensible it is. We now need premier league or championship level recruits and unless we went to cat 1 any decent players would get poached before 16 for limited returns. Funding a category 1 academy if we end up being relegated could be catastrophic for the club. Not sensible saving 500,000 per year but letting players go for free to top premiership clubs all it takes is one Lewis cook to come through and that's a decade of academy funding there. Billing is worth over 8 million now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:19:38 GMT 1
You have totally avoided the specific points I made! 1) 8 mill loss in the specific area of this thread (academy) 2) The contribution I/you make in comparison I. E. proportion of entitlement to cast judgement. Regarding swearing- I did it for reason. I have read lots of folk rationally responding to your posts & you have singularly failed to take on board the excellent points they made. I thought I would try an 'in your face' rude style to see if you got that instead? Clearly not judging by your response! You appear to be a lost cause to intellectual processing. Wrong I did address the £8 million, you were non specific, about the money. Were you referring to the £8 million spent on Canalside? Were you suggesting that we spend £8 million per year, running the Academy I reiterate Dean stated on RL, during his interview that the cost of running the Academy is £1.2 million per year. Intellectual processing, don't make me laugh, I fully understand all the aspects of the points made by Dean, he was very plausible, in the RL interview, despite which I disagree with the scrapping of Town's Academy. Unfortunately, he will not lose any sleep about my & many fellow Town fans opinions, the decision has been made, it is final. I respect your view, don't agree with it, intellectual processing, must say, that's the must polite insult anybody has ever, thrown my way & all because I disagree with your point of view! A loss is income less expenditure of the (academy) thread subject. Specific is not deviating off topic, unlike you. You still haven't managed to get close to contributory entitlement to criticise. You didn't like swearing, you find politeness amusing, 'give me strength'😕 It's not that you disagree, it is your failure to process related, distinguish unrelated, information that is in question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:26:49 GMT 1
There's still probably less than a 10% chance he'll make it as a professional and probably less than a 1% chance at the top level. I'm glad he has found a place, the same with any others finding another academy. The best will find somewhere, those that don't can go back to playing local football purely for the love of the game. It still 'feels' the wrong decision, but the more you think about it the more sensible it is. We now need premier league or championship level recruits and unless we went to cat 1 any decent players would get poached before 16 for limited returns. Funding a category 1 academy if we end up being relegated could be catastrophic for the club. Not sensible saving 500,000 per year but letting players go for free to top premiership clubs all it takes is one Lewis cook to come through and that's a decade of academy funding there. Billing is worth over 8 million now. I'm sure you must realise by now that Billing did not come through the Academy. If we had so wished i'm pretty sure we could have signed him for the under 18s.
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Post by greyarea on Sept 21, 2017 0:44:27 GMT 1
I agree with the poster who said this was like the brexit vote. I think that is very true. It is an emotive issue as it is 'snatching the dream away' of standing on the terraces as a boy to playing on the pitch as a man. The truth is virtually no one has made the journey. I think Hoyle has made the right decision. Any genuine tale talent we might have, will be cherry picked by the bigger clubs before the £16 for a few thousand compensation. What is left probably won't make higher level professional footballers. Better to hunt for late developers, academy drop-outs with a point to prove and young foreign talent and put these through a meaningful 16-23 development programme. what makes you think we'll be any better at polishing 16-23 year olds The key change brought in my eppp that I think your missing is compulsory rule stating that if a Cat 1 club wishes to take a player from a Cat2/3 club then the Cat2/3 cannot block it. So by 16 any talents that Town might have developed will be long gone to Cat 1 clubs in the area (Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Everton and so on). So players that will get cut from Cat 1 academies at 16,17,18 will probably already be better than the academy players Town might have left who had not been cherry pickd.sowhat would be the point in running an academy from 7-16? As I said in the post you quoted, lets get after players who get cut by have potential to develop later, examples being Jamie Vardy, Anthony Pilkington, Joe lolley, nearly any player who did anything at Peterbrough ( at least it feels like it) lots of players have been cut from academies to then work their way back to professional football through the lower leagues. These are who we should be looking to target. As well as young foreign talent, like Saberi who are much better value for money ( when compared to talent). EPPP means unless you are Cat 1, which costs a fortune and involves near holistic care of Scholars, then there is nott much point in have a 7-16 development programme.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 2:06:05 GMT 1
You have totally avoided the specific points I made! 1) 8 mill loss in the specific area of this thread (academy) 2) The contribution I/you make in comparison I. E. proportion of entitlement to cast judgement. Regarding swearing- I did it for reason. I have read lots of folk rationally responding to your posts & you have singularly failed to take on board the excellent points they made. I thought I would try an 'in your face' rude style to see if you got that instead? Clearly not judging by your response! You appear to be a lost cause to intellectual processing. Wrong I did address the £8 million, you were non specific, about the money. Were you referring to the £8 million spent on Canalside? Were you suggesting that we spend £8 million per year, running the Academy I reiterate Dean stated on RL, during his interview that the cost of running the Academy is £1.2 million per year. Intellectual processing, don't make me laugh, I fully understand all the aspects of the points made by Dean, he was very plausible, in the RL interview, despite which I disagree with the scrapping of Town's Academy. Unfortunately, he will not lose any sleep about my & many fellow Town fans opinions, the decision has been made, it is final. I respect your view, don't agree with it, intellectual processing, must say, that's the must polite insult anybody has ever, thrown my way & all because I disagree with your point of view! www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-content-category-ii-11351918www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/academy-chief-mark-lillis-departs-11344822Academy costed more like £1m annually, except £250k+ of that would have come from B&WF subscriptions....so the running costs stated are perhaps a little misleading...since the B&WF money wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for the Academy, same as the grants. Interesting comments in the above links that with hindsight could be read that the writing was on the wall, or altrenatively could be read that they had a rethink 12months ago and the changes made this last week are reactionary and make no sense whatsoever. I still think it makes little difference whether we have a youth development programme or not....but the whole situation doesn’t really add up. It feels like a sensible decision made by idiots.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Sept 21, 2017 6:47:34 GMT 1
The focus really should be on what a disgrace the EPPP is for lower league teams. Below is the fee list taken from the wikipedia page. Football will guilt the non elite into thinking it's for the good of the game that they keep their academy open to operate as a localised marketplace for talent but it's tearing the fabric of our game to pieces. If United have signed a 12 year old from us then they could have at any time come in and taken him for $21,500, more likely they'd keep an eye on him and wait a few years given the paltry increase in fee they'd have to pay.
What future do we have when there's nothing protecting our investment other than the loyalty of players? And where does that lead us in terms of convincing players to stay when the likes of Palmer was said to be one of the highest earners at the club last year? Izzy Brown gets picked up from West Brom for 1 Million, then allegedly offered to us for 10 Million+. We need to fight this underlying issue that we're all being positioned to assist the elite as they farm their academies like a separate arm of their business.
Years spent at academy Fixed fee per year aged 9–11 £3,000 aged 12–16 £12,500 - £40,000 depending on academy category
Thus a player who spends 6 years at the club may give rise to a fee of £56,000 (£3,000 x 2 + £12,500 x 4). Further fixed fees are payable on the player making first team appearances in any senior competition:
Appearances Premier League Championship League One League Two 10 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 20 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 30 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 40 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 50 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 60 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 70 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 80 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 90 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 100 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
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Post by greyarea on Sept 21, 2017 6:58:29 GMT 1
The focus really should be on what a disgrace the EPPP is for lower league teams. Below is the fee list taken from the wikipedia page. Football will guilt the non elite into thinking it's for the good of the game that they keep their academy open to operate as a localised marketplace for talent but it's tearing the fabric of our game to pieces. If United have signed a 12 year old from us then they could have at any time come in and taken him for $21,500, more likely they'd keep an eye on him and wait a few years given the paltry increase in fee they'd have to pay. What future do we have when there's nothing protecting our investment other than the loyalty of players? And where does that lead us in terms of convincing players to stay when the likes of Palmer was said to be one of the highest earners at the club last year? Izzy Brown gets picked up from West Brom for 1 Million, then allegedly offered to us for 10 Million+. We need to fight this underlying issue that we're all being positioned to assist the elite as they farm their academies like a separate arm of their business. Years spent at academy Fixed fee per year aged 9–11 £3,000 aged 12–16 £12,500 - £40,000 depending on academy category Thus a player who spends 6 years at the club may give rise to a fee of £56,000 (£3,000 x 2 + £12,500 x 4). Further fixed fees are payable on the player making first team appearances in any senior competition: Appearances Premier League Championship League One League Two 10 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 20 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 30 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 40 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 50 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 60 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 70 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 80 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 90 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 100 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000 Correct and the point I have made earlier. Any quality prospect would be gone for a maximum of £56K and there would be nothing Town could do to stop it. Therefore what would be the point in spending £23K a week just to lose talent later for £56K
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 21, 2017 7:05:36 GMT 1
Funny how many people think all our prospects approached by Man U would definitely leave those 2 16 yr old lads now on trial have been approached previously by all accounts. Hoyle voted against the new system shortly before it was approved at that point he decided it was no longer viable imo.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Sept 21, 2017 7:16:18 GMT 1
Funny how many people think all our prospects approached by Man U would definitely leave those 2 16 yr old lads now on trial have been approached previously by all accounts. Hoyle voted against the new system shortly before it was approved at that point he decided it was no longer viable imo. I don't think they'd definitely leave, but the fact that they're free to do so makes it hard to build a business case in favour of the Academy by current EPPP rules. Clubs deserve to have better protection so that they've the confidence to invest in their academy.
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 21, 2017 7:26:01 GMT 1
I agree with that but shutting it is a disgrace. A project worth keeping an eye on is unita an academy set up in the summer that is run out of warrenside Huddersfield by ex academy coach Dave Healy and ex Sunderland winger Andy Welsh last week they have signed up with ossett Albion but I would expect this is where the majority of future academy players at town will now start out.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 21, 2017 7:29:01 GMT 1
Funny how many people think all our prospects approached by Man U would definitely leave those 2 16 yr old lads now on trial have been approached previously by all accounts. Hoyle voted against the new system shortly before it was approved at that point he decided it was no longer viable imo. Isn't it an amazing coincidence that all these guys who went on to become the pride of Ossett Albion are suddenly top of Man Utd's wanted list ? Having little knowledge of this subject it's clear that it's a complicated one and there have been some well argued points of view on both sides ... but some of the guff uttered by those "backing " the academy argument hasn't shown them in good light imo ..
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