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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 10:18:57 GMT 1
You clueless idiot! Anybody who does not understand why Town's Academy has been trimmed to 16+ is too stupid to be paid the minimum wage, DH would be offering a bit more than that! Any academy coach/manager who did want to work under DWs tutelage is similarly mentally challenged or that good they would be beyond Town's finalcial reach. You really believe DW works with academy coaches, if thats the case why have Steve Weaver, Tony Carss both left and gone to championship and league 1 clubs. "No Limits" my arse, behaved in the complete opposite, given up on part of the club and showed a complete lack of ambition at the richest point in towns history. You're brain isn't wired correctly! I didn't say DW worked with academy coaches, I said under his tutelage! DW has stated he wants the entire club teams down to academy applying the first team philosophy, it's about producing 1st team players. Therefore DW will be tutoring 1 development responsible person on his football philosophy. I haven't spoken to Weaver or Carrs, so how the hell should I know why they left, I don't waste my time in speculation. Perhaps they weren't up to the job, that's why I let staff leave my business.
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Post by midlander on Sept 23, 2017 11:25:34 GMT 1
It's just like Brexit is this. Time will tell whether it was the right move. Anything else is speculation at best.
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Post by artysid on Sept 23, 2017 11:40:37 GMT 1
It's just like Brexit is this. Time will tell whether it was the right move. Anything else is speculation at best. Thing is as with Brexit we'll never know if was the right move. If things work out, who's to say they wouldn't have worked out even better and vice versa
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Post by kes on Sept 23, 2017 11:49:58 GMT 1
Far quicker to tell if a policy of concentrating on 18's & over rather than on 6 year old children & over. Will take a couple of years as opposed to a decade to tell if it's working.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 12:00:31 GMT 1
It's just like Brexit is this. Time will tell whether it was the right move. Anything else is speculation at best. Thing is as with Brexit we'll never know if was the right move. If things work out, who's to say they wouldn't have worked out even better and vice versa Patience and statistical analysis, but of course interpreted & presented with political bias.
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Post by htfc1984 on Sept 23, 2017 12:27:23 GMT 1
The under 18's playing today. With only 2 subs!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2017 12:52:28 GMT 1
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Post by artysid on Sept 23, 2017 12:54:10 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 23, 2017 14:26:42 GMT 1
Let's hope the money never runs out.
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Post by conners on Sept 15, 2018 2:52:13 GMT 1
Best decision the club ever made. Quite funny looking at some of the meltdowns on here, in particular the slagging of Julian Winter and calling him an "abhorrent individual". Bizarre.
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Post by taskmaster on Sept 15, 2018 3:01:25 GMT 1
Best decision the club ever made. Quite funny looking at some of the meltdowns on here, in particular the slagging of Julian Winter and calling him an "abhorrent individual". Bizarre. Based on?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 15, 2018 7:22:45 GMT 1
Best decision the club ever made. Quite funny looking at some of the meltdowns on here, in particular the slagging of Julian Winter and calling him an "abhorrent individual". Bizarre. Based on? It was a good decision. More sustainable. Easier to assess something that has a 3 year turnaround rather than 10 year. The restrictions put on academies by the FA are ridiculous. Too much local competition, Leeds and Manchester are more appealing. Cost is too risky to find out if the cost of running an academy would produce players of that value. There are many reasons, not everyone will agree but we just move forward now.
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Post by ruggedivy on Sept 15, 2018 8:36:11 GMT 1
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Post by taskmaster on Sept 16, 2018 22:17:14 GMT 1
It was a good decision. More sustainable. Easier to assess something that has a 3 year turnaround rather than 10 year. The restrictions put on academies by the FA are ridiculous. Too much local competition, Leeds and Manchester are more appealing. Cost is too risky to find out if the cost of running an academy would produce players of that value. There are many reasons, not everyone will agree but we just move forward now. That's purely opinion though. Nothing to say if it's a good decision or not yet.
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Post by imissmarcus on Oct 12, 2018 20:06:10 GMT 1
Came across this and think demonstrates the error of the FAs ways and justifies Town's decision. www.fourfourtwo.com/features/which-clubs-own-englands-future-what-latest-youth-squads-tell-us-about-our-academies?So Chelsea and Man City account for 25% of all youth call ups, and when the other top 4 are added it accounts for about half. Yet, in Southgates current 25 man squad, they were developed by 20 different clubs from the full depth of the football league. The idea that concentrating the best players together is mindnumbingly stupid. These academies are held up as a great standard for having "so many" talented players, yet that is actually detrimental, you want one or two top players and the rest filler. This whole EPPP plan will backfire when only 10% of England youth player ever get a PL debut, and they will then blame foreign managers. That will not be the reason, it is that the system was changed to benefit the rich, but they did not understand how players develop well enough to realise they are only wasting their own resources to get the same, if not less output - there are still only 11 shirts to get on a Saturday no matter how many great youngsters you have. To make matters worse, they are also wanting to now restrict the loan system - sigh.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Oct 12, 2018 20:35:04 GMT 1
Came across this and think demonstrates the error of the FAs ways and justifies Town's decision. www.fourfourtwo.com/features/which-clubs-own-englands-future-what-latest-youth-squads-tell-us-about-our-academies?So Chelsea and Man City account for 25% of all youth call ups, and when the other top 4 are added it accounts for about half. Yet, in Southgates current 25 man squad, they were developed by 20 different clubs from the full depth of the football league. The idea that concentrating the best players together is mindnumbingly stupid. These academies are held up as a great standard for having "so many" talented players, yet that is actually detrimental, you want one or two top players and the rest filler. This whole EPPP plan will backfire when only 10% of England youth player ever get a PL debut, and they will then blame foreign managers. That will not be the reason, it is that the system was changed to benefit the rich, but they did not understand how players develop well enough to realise they are only wasting their own resources to get the same, if not less output - there are still only 11 shirts to get on a Saturday no matter how many great youngsters you have. To make matters worse, they are also wanting to now restrict the loan system - sigh. Restricting the loan system will hopefully mean they let players go rather than hold onto them. They will want the loan places to be taken up by ones they actually want to develop and get game time, they won’t want the ones left just taking wages and taking up spaces.
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Post by imissmarcus on Oct 12, 2018 20:55:01 GMT 1
Came across this and think demonstrates the error of the FAs ways and justifies Town's decision. www.fourfourtwo.com/features/which-clubs-own-englands-future-what-latest-youth-squads-tell-us-about-our-academies?So Chelsea and Man City account for 25% of all youth call ups, and when the other top 4 are added it accounts for about half. Yet, in Southgates current 25 man squad, they were developed by 20 different clubs from the full depth of the football league. The idea that concentrating the best players together is mindnumbingly stupid. These academies are held up as a great standard for having "so many" talented players, yet that is actually detrimental, you want one or two top players and the rest filler. This whole EPPP plan will backfire when only 10% of England youth player ever get a PL debut, and they will then blame foreign managers. That will not be the reason, it is that the system was changed to benefit the rich, but they did not understand how players develop well enough to realise they are only wasting their own resources to get the same, if not less output - there are still only 11 shirts to get on a Saturday no matter how many great youngsters you have. To make matters worse, they are also wanting to now restrict the loan system - sigh. Restricting the loan system will hopefully mean they let players go rather than hold onto them. They will want the loan places to be taken up by ones they actually want to develop and get game time, they won’t want the ones left just taking wages and taking up spaces. If the restrictions had this effect I'm all in favour, I just don't see the big clubs letting players go for nothing. I fully expect to see more and more of these players in the Checkatrade on 30k a week rather than leaving, the club waiving significant compensation at tribunal (if a players on 20-30k pw they must surely command several million at tribunal?), and the player accepting a fraction of the money to play games. They have professionalised the game from about 13 years old, we cannot expect these players to all of a sudden stop acting like a business at 20 years old and earn less to play.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Oct 13, 2018 11:04:06 GMT 1
Restricting the loan system will hopefully mean they let players go rather than hold onto them. They will want the loan places to be taken up by ones they actually want to develop and get game time, they won’t want the ones left just taking wages and taking up spaces. If the restrictions had this effect I'm all in favour, I just don't see the big clubs letting players go for nothing. I fully expect to see more and more of these players in the Checkatrade on 30k a week rather than leaving, the club waiving significant compensation at tribunal (if a players on 20-30k pw they must surely command several million at tribunal?), and the player accepting a fraction of the money to play games. They have professionalised the game from about 13 years old, we cannot expect these players to all of a sudden stop acting like a business at 20 years old and earn less to play. If they can’t put them in the shop window it will be hard for them to make the same kind of money, which is how they do it now, hold onto them longer but have them playing elsewhere hoping they hit their peak and then sell them on.
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