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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2017 10:35:28 GMT 1
Are Town playing in the world cup next year? Great, Ill be cheering them on then!! Preferring Mooy to score the winner against England makes me no more of a Town fan and no less of a patriot than you . So wanting your country to lose doesn't make you less patriotic? You really are bang on form this morning ted!!
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2017 10:40:31 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. Slagging ourselves off is now a national past time. Its a shame there isn't a World Cup in it! We'd romp home ( even though we'd think we'd have no chance )
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 17, 2017 10:59:32 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. I agree with some of your points. However, England’s fortunes are not dictated by the comments on football forums. Most players are wrapped in cotton wool and shielded from most comments made by/on media. England have done nothing for years, I give you Iceland and Costa Rica. We can only discuss England in their current form and to be honest, as far as expectations go, they have under performed on a grand scale. We have repeatedly gone out at early stages at all tournaments, so the question is, are we an average team that should maybe look to progress from a group and then anything is a bonus, or should we be pushing for last 4/8 of a tournament? If the answer is the latter then that is where the problem lies, expectation levels. Looking at nations that can’t abide the national team look no further than Belgium, it is more prevalent than you think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 11:02:13 GMT 1
Patriotism not really your thing, is it ted? Hating your own country is kind of trendy amongst those hand wringing Liberal types! Patriotism is frowned upon. In fact, displaying an England flag in England, is akin to full on Nazi party membership.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Nov 17, 2017 11:13:06 GMT 1
Patriotism not really your thing, is it ted? Hating your own country is kind of trendy amongst those hand wringing Liberal types! Patriotism is frowned upon. In fact, displaying an England flag in England, is akin to full on Nazi party membership. Here we go - opinions on the world cup becomes a matter of liberals versus the world. Need to up your meds, Marcus.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 17, 2017 11:20:45 GMT 1
Is every thread going to turn in to this? This is the exact reason I came off this board years ago, back on this year to see how it is. Same fuckin story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 11:32:31 GMT 1
Hating your own country is kind of trendy amongst those hand wringing Liberal types! Patriotism is frowned upon. In fact, displaying an England flag in England, is akin to full on Nazi party membership. Here we go - opinions on the world cup becomes a matter of liberals versus the world. Need to up your meds, Marcus. Sorry, I'll try to stop posting facts in response to a poster announcing his lack of patriotism for his own country.
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Post by WaterlooTerrier on Nov 17, 2017 11:50:07 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. Slagging ourselves off is now a national past time. Its a shame there isn't a World Cup in it! We'd romp home ( even though we'd think we'd have no chance ) It seems to be classed as cool/trendy/hip to slate England, for whatever reason I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. I agree with some of your points. However, England’s fortunes are not dictated by the comments on football forums. Most players are wrapped in cotton wool and shielded from most comments made by/on media. England have done nothing for years, I give you Iceland and Costa Rica. We can only discuss England in their current form and to be honest, as far as expectations go, they have under performed on a grand scale.We have repeatedly gone out at early stages at all tournaments, so the question is, are we an average team that should maybe look to progress from a group and then anything is a bonus, or should we be pushing for last 4/8 of a tournament? If the answer is the latter then that is where the problem lies, expectation levels. Looking at nations that can’t abide the national team look no further than Belgium, it is more prevalent than you think. They aren't. Virtually all of them have social media, in some form and they can't escape the hoards of tweets aimed at them/their team mates. Do you really think that doesn't/wouldn't effect them in some way? It's the expectation level, for me the media are as much to blame for this as anybody. Build them up with unrealistic expectation but still manage to make constant jibes at them. Look at Rooney when he went to that wedding in the team hotel as an example of that. Once things don't go well, they decide to publish how disgraceful their performances are. For what it's worth, I think quarter final stage of a world cup is roughly where we are at, anything further is a bonus. And look how that has worked out for Belgium. Their 'golden generation' failed miserably at the Euros.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 17, 2017 12:04:00 GMT 1
Slagging ourselves off is now a national past time. Its a shame there isn't a World Cup in it! We'd romp home ( even though we'd think we'd have no chance ) It seems to be classed as cool/trendy/hip to slate England, for whatever reason I agree with some of your points. However, England’s fortunes are not dictated by the comments on football forums. Most players are wrapped in cotton wool and shielded from most comments made by/on media. England have done nothing for years, I give you Iceland and Costa Rica. We can only discuss England in their current form and to be honest, as far as expectations go, they have under performed on a grand scale.We have repeatedly gone out at early stages at all tournaments, so the question is, are we an average team that should maybe look to progress from a group and then anything is a bonus, or should we be pushing for last 4/8 of a tournament? If the answer is the latter then that is where the problem lies, expectation levels. Looking at nations that can’t abide the national team look no further than Belgium, it is more prevalent than you think. They aren't. Virtually all of them have social media, in some form and they can't escape the hoards of tweets aimed at them/their team mates. Do you really think that doesn't/wouldn't effect them in some way? It's the expectation level, for me the media are as much to blame for this as anybody. Build them up with unrealistic expectation but still manage to make constant jibes at them. Look at Rooney when he went to that wedding in the team hotel as an example of that. Once things don't go well, they decide to publish how disgraceful their performances are. For what it's worth, I think quarter final stage of a world cup is roughly where we are at, anything further is a bonus. And look how that has worked out for Belgium. Their 'golden generation' failed miserably at the Euros. The players get paid enough to deal with it. I get paid a pittance in comparison and deal with shit on a daily basis. At the end of the day I go home and am happy to have my health, my family and HTFC. If media affects performance they need to man up. The UK.media are horrible bastards. Yes Belgium should do better with the players at their disposal but just goes to show it isn’t just England that have these problems. I am with you 100%, we should get quarter final stages, hope 2018 is the year we do something.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 17, 2017 12:37:53 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. So we’ve been shit for eons cos I prefer Town to England .. nothing to do with having shit players managers and systems
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 17, 2017 12:38:21 GMT 1
Preferring Mooy to score the winner against England makes me no more of a Town fan and no less of a patriot than you . So wanting your country to lose doesn't make you less patriotic? You really are bang on form this morning ted!! Here we go here come the thought police
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 17, 2017 12:44:49 GMT 1
Here we go - opinions on the world cup becomes a matter of liberals versus the world. Need to up your meds, Marcus. Sorry, I'll try to stop posting facts in response to a poster announcing his lack of patriotism for his own country. If I am the poster you are taking about then I will accept a withdrawal of your statement and an apology
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Post by WaterlooTerrier on Nov 17, 2017 12:46:31 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. So we’ve been shit for eons cos I prefer Town to England .. nothing to do with having shit players managers and systems There's no eye rolling emoji on here, so this sentence will have to do instead
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Nov 17, 2017 12:53:40 GMT 1
You'd want your own country to lose ? In a football match against a team with my favourite town player in it ? 100% yes This wouldn't extend to say an Ashes match . You won't be saying that when we're playing them in the final.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2017 13:01:00 GMT 1
So wanting your country to lose doesn't make you less patriotic? You really are bang on form this morning ted!! Here we go here come the thought police You have to actually 'think' for us to be interested ted! When you come out with gems like you'll be supporting Huddersfield in the world cup and wanting your country to lose isn't unpatriotic, anyone who alerts the thought police will get done for wasting police time!
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Post by ozterrier on Nov 17, 2017 13:01:19 GMT 1
You'd want your own country to lose ? In a football match against a team with my favourite town player in it ? 100% yes This wouldn't extend to say an Ashes match . That's really strange!
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Post by drbaldric on Nov 17, 2017 13:10:18 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading on here. England will never be successful when the nation has this attitude towards the national team. Do you think other national sides have to put up with a nation who claim they can't abide them? Some of the guff that is put on here and social media is just embarrassing. Imagine the difference it would make if a team went out knowing they had people actually behind them. When a team is picked on merit and play with passion and pride then they deserve our support. Southgate is much better than the last two incumbents of the role. However it still seems that if you play for Manchester United/City/Liverpool/Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal and are English you are guaranteed a spot. Still not sure the best squad, team, or formation is known.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Nov 17, 2017 13:25:44 GMT 1
The draw for Russia will happen in 2 weeks, but all the qualification is done now - and here are the pots: Pot A: Russia, Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Belgium, Poland, France Pot B: Spain, Switzerland, England, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, Croatia, Peru Pot C: Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal, Iran, Denmark Pot D: Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Serbia Some funny ones in there. Not sure why Spain are only in Pot B - and how a European team (Serbia) managed to fall to Pot D! So who does everyone want then? Sorry Oz, I couldn't give a shite! A corruptly awarded competition, given to a corrupt country by a corrupt FIFA, run by a corrupt team. I won't follow it, won't contribute, other than to say I can't wait until the fixtures are our for Prem League season 2018/19.
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Post by hd2 on Nov 17, 2017 13:52:53 GMT 1
In a football match against a team with my favourite town player in it ? 100% yes This wouldn't extend to say an Ashes match . That's really strange! If not just made to get some sort of reaction its very strange behaviour. If god forbid Mooy left in January would another fav player need to be chosen and then cheer their nation on in the hope their nation beats us.
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Post by impact on Nov 17, 2017 14:04:42 GMT 1
I think the overriding feeling for me is one of indifference. I'll support the team and certainly wouldn't want them to lose, but if we win or lose it won't really bother me that much.
It's strange as with other sports - cricket, either rugby code, europe for the ryder cup - I'll get genuinely exciting at seeing them win. But for some reason I just don't get that invested in the football team.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 17, 2017 14:16:58 GMT 1
If not just made to get some sort of reaction its very strange behaviour. If god forbid Mooy left in January would another fav player need to be chosen and then cheer their nation on in the hope their nation beats us. Sorry ? Are you some kind of arbiter of right and wrong ? I couldn’t give a shit about the England football team .. is that ok by you or are you signing up to the thought police also ?
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Post by hd2 on Nov 17, 2017 14:24:59 GMT 1
If not just made to get some sort of reaction its very strange behaviour. If god forbid Mooy left in January would another fav player need to be chosen and then cheer their nation on in the hope their nation beats us. Sorry ? Are you some kind of arbiter of right and wrong ? I couldn’t give a shit about the England football team .. is that ok by you or are you signing up to the thought police also ? I said its strange behaviour which is my opinion. So did someone else but you didn’t throw your dummy out then. You don’t have to like it but its still my opinion. You also don’t have to care about England, its not compulsary. Hope you enjoy the World Cup and your fav player does you proud.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 17, 2017 14:34:27 GMT 1
Sorry ? Are you some kind of arbiter of right and wrong ? I couldn’t give a shit about the England football team .. is that ok by you or are you signing up to the thought police also ? I said its strange behaviour which is my opinion. So did someone else but you didn’t throw your dummy out then. You don’t have to like it but its still my opinion. You also don’t have to care about England, its not compulsary. Hope you enjoy the World Cup and your fav player does you proud. They’ll both be home before the postcards
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Post by jasonhand on Nov 17, 2017 14:44:47 GMT 1
As an Aussie, I'd love for Australia to be in the same group as the poms. As a pom, so would i. Whilst I don't have any real expectations of this group of england players, there aren't many teams there that i think we would almost certainly lose against. Brazil, Germany, Spain.. maybe Belgium ( though they also tend to massively underachieve in finals too ) other than that, theres a few who are on a similar level so could go either way and the rest id expect us to beat. If we have our key players fit and on form, theres no reason why even this england side wouldn't get to the quarters, and from there anything can happen. Haven't we being say that last sentence for the last 40 years?
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Post by jasonhand on Nov 17, 2017 15:03:28 GMT 1
I think the overriding feeling for me is one of indifference. I'll support the team and certainly wouldn't want them to lose, but if we win or lose it won't really bother me that much. It's strange as with other sports - cricket, either rugby code, europe for the ryder cup - I'll get genuinely exciting at seeing them win. But for some reason I just don't get that invested in the football team. I'm a bit the same in all honesty when it comes to international football. Mind you when we played as badly as we did against Iceland then that actually pisses me off big time. But lets say we got knocked out by Germany in 3-2 classic, play well then I won't be too bothered. But I also feel the same about rugby and the ryder cup. The Ashes though are a different thing entirely.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2017 15:31:23 GMT 1
As a pom, so would i. Whilst I don't have any real expectations of this group of england players, there aren't many teams there that i think we would almost certainly lose against. Brazil, Germany, Spain.. maybe Belgium ( though they also tend to massively underachieve in finals too ) other than that, theres a few who are on a similar level so could go either way and the rest id expect us to beat. If we have our key players fit and on form, theres no reason why even this england side wouldn't get to the quarters, and from there anything can happen. Haven't we being say that last sentence for the last 40 years? We have. Think in a few finals over the past 40 years weve been unlucky not to do a lot better. Even win it on 2 or 3 occasions. But certainly the last few have been bitterly disappointing. Think any chance we do have is very reliant on Kane. Other nations have shown in the past that if you have one really standout striker, he can carry an average side a long way. And IMO Kane could be good enough to do that. But if hes not on it, or not fit, even getting out of the group will be a decent achievement for this group. Think it will be different in the next few finals after this one though. We do seem to have a pretty good crop of youngsters coming through. So maybe theres some light at the end of the tunnel? I just wish the nation would support the national side more like they do their club sides. "It is what it is, but its my team so I support them".. rather than this fashionable " we're crap so im not interested anymore" attitude. With their club, fans tend to exaggerate the positives. With England its the negatives that get exaggerated.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 17, 2017 15:39:49 GMT 1
Haven't we being say that last sentence for the last 40 years? We have. Think in a few finals over the past 40 years weve been unlucky not to do a lot better. Even win it on 2 or 3 occasions. But certainly the last few have been bitterly disappointing. Think any chance we do have is very reliant on Kane. Other nations have shown in the past that if you have one really standout striker, he can carry an average side a long way. And IMO Kane could be good enough to do that. But if hes not on it, or not fit, even getting out of the group will be a decent achievement for this group. Think it will be different in the next few finals after this one though. We do seem to have a pretty good crop of youngsters coming through. So maybe theres some light at the end of the tunnel? I just wish the nation would support the national side more like they do their club sides. "It is what it is, but its my team so I support them".. rather than this fashionable " we're crap so im not interested anymore" attitude. With their club, fans tend to exaggerate the positives. With England its the negatives that get exaggerated. But club teams engage so much more with fans and you feel part of the club. Though i will always want England to win it is not the end of the world for me if they don't, i don't really have any emotional attachment to them. Yes the negatives are massively exaggerated with England, if they started acting more of a club team (applauding the fans, giving shirts to young kids, signing autographs etc) then fans may be more inclined to give a shit. The Liverpool game summed it up, as one poster pointed out. After the game the Liverpool players were quick to jump in their cars, no interest in talking to the fans who were waiting outside for an autograph. The Town players stopped, signed shirts, programmes, had photos taken. They give a shit. Billy Big Bollocks doesn't. We do have a good young crop coming through, hopefully i may live to see England lift a trophy.
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Post by jasonhand on Nov 17, 2017 15:45:20 GMT 1
Haven't we being say that last sentence for the last 40 years? We have. Think in a few finals over the past 40 years weve been unlucky not to do a lot better. Even win it on 2 or 3 occasions. But certainly the last few have been bitterly disappointing. Think any chance we do have is very reliant on Kane. Other nations have shown in the past that if you have one really standout striker, he can carry an average side a long way. And IMO Kane could be good enough to do that. But if hes not on it, or not fit, even getting out of the group will be a decent achievement for this group. Think it will be different in the next few finals after this one though. We do seem to have a pretty good crop of youngsters coming through. So maybe theres some light at the end of the tunnel? I just wish the nation would support the national side more like they do their club sides. "It is what it is, but its my team so I support them".. rather than this fashionable " we're crap so im not interested anymore" attitude. With their club, fans tend to exaggerate the positives. With England its the negatives that get exaggerated. Well no doubting the success we have seen this summer with the youth squads has been very encouraging. We really need this youngsters to start playing for their respective first teams though. But from what I've heard these guys sound like they are good enough for that to happen. I also think a stint abroad for some of our international players could help also. I do admit there are times I've not got fully behind the International team. Maybe its because I'm having to support the same team as Leeds fans or something which I find so distasteful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 15:52:05 GMT 1
But club teams engage so much more with fans and you feel part of the club. Though i will always want England to win it is not the end of the world for me if they don't, i don't really have any emotional attachment to them. Yes the negatives are massively exaggerated with England, if they started acting more of a club team ( applauding the fans, giving shirts to young kids, signing autographs etc) then fans may be more inclined to give a shit. The Liverpool game summed it up, as one poster pointed out. After the game the Liverpool players were quick to jump in their cars, no interest in talking to the fans who were waiting outside for an autograph. The Town players stopped, signed shirts, programmes, had photos taken. They give a shit. Billy Big Bollocks doesn't. We do have a good young crop coming through, hopefully i may live to see England lift a trophy. And sometimes it's the complete opposite. I know it was seven years ago and I should probably let it go, but I can't forget the way Rooney mouthed off at supporters - who'd travelled all the way to South Africa, for crying out loud - after that performance against Algeria. In fact, I think a lot of the apathy I feel towards them these days could probably be traced back to that game.
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Post by WaterlooTerrier on Nov 17, 2017 15:58:36 GMT 1
Haven't we being say that last sentence for the last 40 years? We have. Think in a few finals over the past 40 years weve been unlucky not to do a lot better. Even win it on 2 or 3 occasions. But certainly the last few have been bitterly disappointing. Think any chance we do have is very reliant on Kane. Other nations have shown in the past that if you have one really standout striker, he can carry an average side a long way. And IMO Kane could be good enough to do that. But if hes not on it, or not fit, even getting out of the group will be a decent achievement for this group. Think it will be different in the next few finals after this one though. We do seem to have a pretty good crop of youngsters coming through. So maybe theres some light at the end of the tunnel? I just wish the nation would support the national side more like they do their club sides. "It is what it is, but its my team so I support them".. rather than this fashionable " we're crap so im not interested anymore" attitude. With their club, fans tend to exaggerate the positives. With England its the negatives that get exaggerated.
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