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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 13, 2018 21:11:26 GMT 1
Well no we didn;t. I doubt we'd have matched many championship sides playing as we did.
We could have done without half time. having got level we were actually getting on top and think wed have gone ahead if the half had lasted another 5 minutes. So at HT you hope we come out and carry that on, and then 20 odd seconds into it were behind again.
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Post by mrsoft on Jan 13, 2018 21:12:15 GMT 1
Moyes got his strategy bang on for the 2nd half. Defended deep but left both Arnautavic and Lanzini as an out-ball and they tore us to pieces in turn. Noble ran the midfield. They are a good side, Lanzini was able to spin off our defence at will. We had no answer. Positives : Thought the 1st half we were fairly comfy, aside from the disaster of their goal. Extremely impressed with Pritchard. His corners and his deadball strike better than we've had. His radar is excellent, he knows the space around him and can use it. Kongolo looked good. Depoitre won pretty much everything in the air that he was faced with. I saw one of the best Town goals I can remember.
Negatives Poor Joe (goal aside) is out of his depth Not sure at all what Malone brings. Sat out extremely wide on the touchline (often further upfield than VLP), but nobody gave it to him, and did little with it.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 13, 2018 21:13:09 GMT 1
No point singling smith out as there isn't a defender on our books who could have stopped the flick and finish for West Ham's second - class flick and quality strike, MA just too strong In the same vein on the fourth, MA made a complete mug of Schlindler receiving a simple ball to feet on the half way line - too good and too strong for him We got beat by two quality players in MA and Lanzini - they are on a different level to anything on our books I'd like to see the 2nd goal again because that looked like lousy weak as anything defending from Smith when happening live It was piss-weak defending.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 13, 2018 21:14:08 GMT 1
I'd like to see the 2nd goal again because that looked like lousy weak as anything defending from Smith when happening live Saw the replay on the big screen in the ground Zanka loses the initial flick on Then MA lifts it on his right, across his body on to his left and smashes it MA is 6ft 3 and both Zanka and Schindler couldn't handle his strength - nor did Smith on the goal Two good feet, strong and Smith off balance from the right boot to left foot flick It's not a easy goal to stop IMO I thought the same. When it happened my initial thought was 'cmon smith, youve got to be better than that!!" But when you see the replay, he doesn;t do a lot wrong. Its just really great play by MA.
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Post by Syran on Jan 13, 2018 21:15:01 GMT 1
We seem so weak at defending counter attacks.
Teams seem to cut through us with ease.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 13, 2018 21:15:52 GMT 1
Ball retention in the first half was the best we've witnessed in weeks, are you blind? He started Lolley because Pritchard only joined yesterday, Sabiri doesn't look ready for this level, and we have nobody else. Pritchard looked interesting..looked to get involved but I think hes going to find the physical step a big struggle. Kongolo looked like he'd never seen a football before. Hopefully that was related to coming on late into a lost game...definitely wouldn't expect him to dislodge Zanka or Schindler any time soon. Eh? I thought he did very well. Used the ball really well with some neat passes down the line and didnt give it away once or mis-control it once. I have no idea what you were watching to make a comment like that. Him and Pritchard were the 2 positives on the day. We can just about cope with a couple of players off their game, but when we have literally 8 or 9 well below par, we'll get a spanking. And that was the problem today. The keeper had a shocker, Smith had a shocker, Zanka, Schindler and malone were all poor. Hogg had a shocker, Ince mooy and VLP were lousy. Depoitre did well but with not a lot of service and lolley was lousy until he scored then did well but got taken off. All in all a shit performance against a side that wasn't that great, Anautovic (sp) appart. He was great and our CBs couldn't cope with him at all. I actually can't think of Kongolo doing anything wrong when he came on
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Post by yappledapple on Jan 13, 2018 21:16:36 GMT 1
One positive from today. We can't possibly play as poorly against Stoke next Saturday. Knew I'd find one if I searched long enough. ;-) Move on to Stoke and hope DW gets the tactics right next week and we pick something up. Stoke still not got a manager after Flores turned them down so could do with them not appointing before Saturday so they don't get that new manager 'bounce' like we suffered at Everton. However it looks like they're going for the O'Neill/Keane pairing now if the can prise them away from the Republic of Ireland job - hopefully they can't until after the weekend!
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Post by tvor on Jan 13, 2018 21:17:08 GMT 1
Positive - first on MOTD tonight. Negative - first on MOTD tonight
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Post by ACW on Jan 13, 2018 21:20:01 GMT 1
We seem so weak at defending counter attacks. Teams seem to cut through us with ease. True. And we don't have many ourselves.
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Post by ACW on Jan 13, 2018 21:20:47 GMT 1
Eh? I thought he did very well. Used the ball really well with some neat passes down the line and didnt give it away once or mis-control it once. I have no idea what you were watching to make a comment like that. Him and Pritchard were the 2 positives on the day. We can just about cope with a couple of players off their game, but when we have literally 8 or 9 well below par, we'll get a spanking. And that was the problem today. The keeper had a shocker, Smith had a shocker, Zanka, Schindler and malone were all poor. Hogg had a shocker, Ince mooy and VLP were lousy. Depoitre did well but with not a lot of service and lolley was lousy until he scored then did well but got taken off. All in all a shit performance against a side that wasn't that great, Anautovic (sp) appart. He was great and our CBs couldn't cope with him at all. I actually can't think of Kongolo doing anything wrong when he came That's because he didn't.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jan 13, 2018 21:28:16 GMT 1
Lössl should do better at his near post Smith cannot defend and just isn't good enough Zanka absolute crap today too dithery Schindler made one mistake Malone weak and erratic. Looks scared of getting hurt Hogg did ok too much going wrong around him Mooy crap and has been for weeks needs dropping VLP has the skill but slows the momentum every time Lolley didn't deserve to be subbed Ince piss poor. Anyone who cruyff turns into his tackles needs a rocket Depoitre flogged for 90 mins today. No service = no hope Kongolo and Pritchard showed more assurance than the other 11 put together. Autopsy done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:29:22 GMT 1
I think he means the way Kongolo looks/moves, it isn't too pleasing on the eye but his passing was accurate and he didn't have much else to do
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Post by space hardware on Jan 13, 2018 21:32:16 GMT 1
I think he means the way Kongolo looks/moves, it isn't too pleasing on the eye but his passing was accurate and he didn't have much else to do He could have looked and moved like Stephen Hawking and still been more effective than Smith or Zanka today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:37:07 GMT 1
Lössl should do better at his near post Smith cannot defend and just isn't good enough Zanka absolute crap today too dithery Schindler made one mistake Malone weak and erratic. Looks scared of getting hurt Hogg did ok too much going wrong around him Mooy crap and has been for weeks needs dropping VLP has the skill but slows the momentum every time Lolley didn't deserve to be subbed Ince piss poor. Anyone who cruyff turns into his tackles needs a rocket Depoitre flogged for 90 mins today. No service = no hope Kongolo and Pritchard showed more assurance than the other 11 put together. Autopsy done. Spot on all this. Slows counter attacks down, loses the ball, puts the defence under pressure, and I can barely remember an assist or decent set play all season.
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Post by softboy on Jan 13, 2018 21:37:44 GMT 1
We lost because they had a manager who was positive running around and plus his players we had a manager who stood in his technical area arms crossed no positivity
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Post by softboy on Jan 13, 2018 21:38:37 GMT 1
wagner was shit today - no positivity at all
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Post by sabailand on Jan 13, 2018 21:41:33 GMT 1
What was infuriating was that after doing so well to get back in the game,we switched off and let them take the lead again merely seconds into the 2nd half,back to square one,not saying we`d have won or even got a point but we`ll never know,i was actually confident at half time of at least not losing! Similar happened v man city,massive bonus of going in 1-0 up at half time,only for it to be undone very early in the 2nd half,then going on to lose! Sure these two games dont typify our season,but its frustrating nonetheless!
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 13, 2018 21:54:43 GMT 1
We lost because they had a manager who was positive running around and plus his players we had a manager who stood in his technical area arms crossed no positivity Like he has done since he got here? Talk about kneejerk reactions
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:57:57 GMT 1
It's been mentioned before, but what possible value is there in having the subs come out at half time and lazily kick the ball around? Surely it would make more sense to have them in the dressing room?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:59:09 GMT 1
I think he means the way Kongolo looks/moves, it isn't too pleasing on the eye but his passing was accurate and he didn't have much else to do That’s exactly what I meant. I aren’t going to judge a player, especially a defender on what he does coming onto the pitch for the 20 minutes of a game that had already been over as a contest a full ten minutes before that. What I can judge in that time is the look of a player, how he carries himself and how he addresses the ball etc. And he looked very messy...not something you really want in a defender especially in this league. Would like to see him play from the start properly in place of Malone, but there’s no chance he’s going to oust Schindler, and he seemed far too left footed to be concerning Zanka...would be amazed if he plays the centre half role for us in a league game other than as one of a three (notwithstanding injuries). I do like to see the bit of height and physique in him though, typically the left back is the weakest player (probably going all the way back to Tom Cowan before that wasn’t the case unless I’ve forgotten someone), and typically they’re up against the best attacking threat of the opposing team...it’s been like men v boys at times this season with Lowe (who probably just isn’t really good enough to shine at this level but often battles his way through that, but was “ok”at the level below, and Malone who I’d be surprised if he’s playing in the Premier League beyond this season, but oddly I could imagine he’d actually be a better prospect than Lowe in the Championship.
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Post by rocky on Jan 13, 2018 22:02:58 GMT 1
13th in the Premier League and we need an autopsy? You seem to be basing your comment on league position. That's all very well but it doesn't give an accurate view on our likelihood to get relegated. Yes it does. We’re 13th for the season as a whole, which means there are 7 worse teams than us and that’s after our poor run. The 7 worse teams than us are more likely to be relegated. Far too often people use a few games as a representative sample for the whole season and that’s just bollocks.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 13, 2018 22:03:55 GMT 1
It's just one game. We didn't play well. We have a slight problem creativity wise but hopefully Pritchard will change that. I'm hopefull things will improve and we will be safe before our difficult run in. There are so many average teams in the prem this year who are down there with us who are having worse seasons than us so I'm hoping at least 3 of those have worse runs than us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:06:15 GMT 1
It's been mentioned before, but what possible value is there in having the subs come out at half time and lazily kick the ball around? Surely it would make more sense to have them in the dressing room? But that didn't happen today. All seven Town subs were doing high intensity warm ups for most of the break whereas only four West Ham lads came out and they just twatted the ball around a bit.
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Post by Yorkie on Jan 13, 2018 22:06:26 GMT 1
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 13, 2018 22:11:20 GMT 1
Lössl should do better at his near post Smith cannot defend and just isn't good enough Zanka absolute crap today too dithery Schindler made one mistake Malone weak and erratic. Looks scared of getting hurt Hogg did ok too much going wrong around him Mooy crap and has been for weeks needs dropping VLP has the skill but slows the momentum every time Lolley didn't deserve to be subbed Ince piss poor. Anyone who cruyff turns into his tackles needs a rocket Depoitre flogged for 90 mins today. No service = no hope Kongolo and Pritchard showed more assurance than the other 11 put together. Autopsy done. Spot on all this. Slows counter attacks down, loses the ball, puts the defence under pressure, and I can barely remember an assist or decent set play all season. Scored four goals so far and a cracking cross for Mounie's first goal at Palace. Problem is that he was our stand out player last sesson and now he's coming up against better players it looks like he's below par, but we'd be lost without him imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:12:26 GMT 1
It's been mentioned before, but what possible value is there in having the subs come out at half time and lazily kick the ball around? Surely it would make more sense to have them in the dressing room? But that didn't happen today. All seven Town subs were doing high intensity warm ups for most of the break whereas only four West Ham lads came out and they just twatted the ball around a bit. We have a very different definition of high intensity warm up.
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Post by rocky on Jan 13, 2018 22:12:26 GMT 1
13th in the Premier League and we need an autopsy? 13th for now, how much longer? Hope I'm wrong but 3 points from the last 15 available might have sealed our fate especially with the run in we've got It makes the next 9 or 10 games absolutely crucial You’re using the last 5 games to paint a bleaker picture than is actually the case. You could easily have used the last 8 games from which we’ve taken 9 points and that’s a far rosier picture. Anyway 5 games, 8 games, whatever. The most relevant stat is 24 points from 23 games and there isn’t a Town fan anywhere who wouldn’t have gladly taken that if offered at the start of the season.
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Jan 13, 2018 22:28:20 GMT 1
I think he means the way Kongolo looks/moves, it isn't too pleasing on the eye but his passing was accurate and he didn't have much else to do Oh yeah, I’d forgotten that a player having particularly long legs means a lot of Town fans immediately label them as being shit.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 13, 2018 22:31:06 GMT 1
One positive from today. We can't possibly play as poorly against Stoke next Saturday. Knew I'd find one if I searched long enough. ;-) Move on to Stoke and hope DW gets the tactics right next week and we pick something up. Stoke still not got a manager after Flores turned them down so could do with them not appointing before Saturday so they don't get that new manager 'bounce' like we suffered at Everton. However it looks like they're going for the O'Neill/Keane pairing now if the can prise them away from the Republic of Ireland job - hopefully they can't until after the weekend! Trying to actually win the match at Stoke would be a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:36:27 GMT 1
Surely the most concerning thing today is that we were outwitted by a coaching team with Stuart Pearce in its ranks.
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