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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:41:59 GMT 1
No dont be sorry - I didn’t realise how important you were. I should be sorry. (But I’m not) I'm not the one flashing the thread police badge! Get over yourself. Quickly. Faster than that. Are you there yet?! I am realising you don’t seem to understand how forums are supposed to work. I’ll leave you to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:42:14 GMT 1
I think he means the way Kongolo looks/moves, it isn't too pleasing on the eye but his passing was accurate and he didn't have much else to do Oh yeah, I’d forgotten that a player having particularly long legs means a lot of Town fans immediately label them as being shit. Thems the rules.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 13, 2018 22:45:03 GMT 1
That shite was alien autopsy
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 13, 2018 22:47:02 GMT 1
You seem to be basing your comment on league position. That's all very well but it doesn't give an accurate view on our likelihood to get relegated. Yes it does. We’re 13th for the season as a whole, which means there are 7 worse teams than us and that’s after our poor run. The 7 worse teams than us are more likely to be relegated. Far too often people use a few games as a representative sample for the whole season and that’s just bollocks. You are aware that all the teams who played today (except Brighton) gained on us today? At least one team tomorrow will also gain on us. Feel free to be complacent...
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Post by pixie on Jan 13, 2018 22:50:09 GMT 1
I've had doubts since last season that Wagner is really as good as the reputation he has built for himself. His first two games against Wednesday and Boro were impressive despite the losses. However it might have just been "new manager syndrome". Didn't we actually finish the season lower than when he took over? He then gave himself loads of sycophantic publicity as a result of the Swedish trip. He comes across as a personable chap and on the surface appears to be a good man manager.
My doubts are that he not up to the job tactically. Even when things are not going well he seems reluctant to change tactics. As someone else mentioned, playing out from the back is all well and good, but when it's done as slow as we play, we rarely pose the opposition any problems. In fact we quite often give ourselves problems when we lose the ball while still in our own half or even our own third of the pitch. The point is our players are not quick enough of feet or thought to be able to play like this. Until we get such players we should simply play to our strengths. If that means getting the ball into the opposition half as quickly as possible then so be it. It does not mean we will lose the ball every time, especially if we can gegenpress. Notice today when they got that 2nd goal. A quick forward ball and bingo. If we had been kicking off instead there would probably have been a back pass to Lossl somewhere along the line. There is a reason we don't score enough goals and it's not just because we're in the EPL because it was the same last season. Why not have a man beyond the back post when we have a corner? How many times does the ball clear everybody and run away to touch? Bolton scored last week when they had an unmarked player beyond the back post. As someone else said, "it's not rocket science".
If we don't try something different it's even money we'll be relegated. After all I think we were jammy to be promoted in the first place, but now we're here let's pull out all the stops to stay here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:53:36 GMT 1
I've had doubts since last season that Wagner is really as good as the reputation he has built for himself. His first two games against Wednesday and Boro were impressive despite the losses. However it might have just been "new manager syndrome". Didn't we actually finish the season lower than when he took over? He then gave himself loads of sycophantic publicity as a result of the Swedish trip. He comes across as a personable chap and on the surface appears to be a good man manager. My doubts are that he not up to the job tactically. Even when things are not going well he seems reluctant to change tactics. As someone else mentioned, playing out from the back is all well and good, but when it's done as slow as we play, we rarely pose the opposition any problems. In fact we quite often give ourselves problems when we lose the ball while still in our own half or even our own third of the pitch. The point is our players are not quick enough of feet or thought to be able to play like this. Until we get such players we should simply play to our strengths. If that means getting the ball into the opposition half as quickly as possible then so be it. It does not mean we will lose the ball every time, especially if we can gegenpress. Notice today when they got that 2nd goal. A quick forward ball and bingo. If we had been kicking off instead there would probably have been a back pass to Lossl somewhere along the line. There is a reason we don't score enough goals and it's not just because we're in the EPL because it was the same last season. Why not have a man beyond the back post when we have a corner? How many times does the ball clear everybody and run away to touch? Bolton scored last week when they had an unmarked player beyond the back post. As someone else said, "it's not rocket science". If we don't try something different it's even money we'll be relegated. After all I think we were jammy to be promoted in the first place, but now we're here let's pull out all the stops to stay here. WAGNER OUT!
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Post by mids on Jan 13, 2018 22:55:46 GMT 1
We are just a bit ponderous in possession. Sadly, when we take time to build from the back, our dangermen drop into the space behind the opposition’s press. This means Ince, Mooy and VLP often take the ball off the toes of our defenders - 50 yards from where they are most effective. I don’t mind the defence keeping the ball, working it side to side to open space, but when we move forward we need to move it quick. Pick our time and go. We seemed wracked with indecision today and never got on the front foot. Fair play to West Ham though. A great team effort and we couldn’t touch Lanzini and Arnautovic. Perfect summing up. Nothing else needs to be said.
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Post by hackman on Jan 13, 2018 22:59:10 GMT 1
13th in the Premier League and we need an autopsy? 13th for now, how much longer? Hope I'm wrong but 3 points from the last 15 available might have sealed our fate especially with the run in we've got It makes the next 9 or 10 games absolutely crucial Today was the first day I've contemplated relegation. But that performance brought it to mind. Xmas and new year has been crap. Points were there to be taken and we've fallen short.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 13, 2018 23:02:33 GMT 1
I've had doubts since last season that Wagner is really as good as the reputation he has built for himself. His first two games against Wednesday and Boro were impressive despite the losses. However it might have just been "new manager syndrome". Didn't we actually finish the season lower than when he took over? He then gave himself loads of sycophantic publicity as a result of the Swedish trip. He comes across as a personable chap and on the surface appears to be a good man manager. My doubts are that he not up to the job tactically. Even when things are not going well he seems reluctant to change tactics. As someone else mentioned, playing out from the back is all well and good, but when it's done as slow as we play, we rarely pose the opposition any problems. In fact we quite often give ourselves problems when we lose the ball while still in our own half or even our own third of the pitch. The point is our players are not quick enough of feet or thought to be able to play like this. Until we get such players we should simply play to our strengths. If that means getting the ball into the opposition half as quickly as possible then so be it. It does not mean we will lose the ball every time, especially if we can gegenpress. Notice today when they got that 2nd goal. A quick forward ball and bingo. If we had been kicking off instead there would probably have been a back pass to Lossl somewhere along the line. There is a reason we don't score enough goals and it's not just because we're in the EPL because it was the same last season. Why not have a man beyond the back post when we have a corner? How many times does the ball clear everybody and run away to touch? Bolton scored last week when they had an unmarked player beyond the back post. As someone else said, "it's not rocket science". If we don't try something different it's even money we'll be relegated. After all I think we were jammy to be promoted in the first place, but now we're here let's pull out all the stops to stay here. And here's me thinking you just talked shite about 9/11.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:12:57 GMT 1
I've had doubts since last season that Wagner is really as good as the reputation he has built for himself. His first two games against Wednesday and Boro were impressive despite the losses. However it might have just been "new manager syndrome". Didn't we actually finish the season lower than when he took over? He then gave himself loads of sycophantic publicity as a result of the Swedish trip. He comes across as a personable chap and on the surface appears to be a good man manager. My doubts are that he not up to the job tactically. Even when things are not going well he seems reluctant to change tactics. As someone else mentioned, playing out from the back is all well and good, but when it's done as slow as we play, we rarely pose the opposition any problems. In fact we quite often give ourselves problems when we lose the ball while still in our own half or even our own third of the pitch. The point is our players are not quick enough of feet or thought to be able to play like this. Until we get such players we should simply play to our strengths. If that means getting the ball into the opposition half as quickly as possible then so be it. It does not mean we will lose the ball every time, especially if we can gegenpress. Notice today when they got that 2nd goal. A quick forward ball and bingo. If we had been kicking off instead there would probably have been a back pass to Lossl somewhere along the line. There is a reason we don't score enough goals and it's not just because we're in the EPL because it was the same last season. Why not have a man beyond the back post when we have a corner? How many times does the ball clear everybody and run away to touch? Bolton scored last week when they had an unmarked player beyond the back post. As someone else said, "it's not rocket science". If we don't try something different it's even money we'll be relegated. After all I think we were jammy to be promoted in the first place, but now we're here let's pull out all the stops to stay here. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and yours has been put forward clearly and without abusive language or fury. I was struggling to pick a man of the match today - we seemed off the pace all over the pitch today The south stand was quiet today esp after the shocking start to the 2nd half. If we can get rid of the Gimps we might have a chance 😇
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Post by Leporid on Jan 13, 2018 23:18:05 GMT 1
I'd like to see the 2nd goal again because that looked like lousy weak as anything defending from Smith when happening live Saw the replay on the big screen in the ground Zanka loses the initial flick on Then MA lifts it on his right, across his body on to his left and smashes it MA is 6ft 4 and both Zanka and Schindler couldn't handle his strength - nor did Smith on the goal Two good feet, strong and Smith off balance from the right boot to left foot flick It's not a easy goal to stop IMO It was a good goal from Arnautovic, regardless of what Town should have, could have done to prevent it.
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Post by rocky on Jan 13, 2018 23:32:14 GMT 1
Yes it does. We’re 13th for the season as a whole, which means there are 7 worse teams than us and that’s after our poor run. The 7 worse teams than us are more likely to be relegated. Far too often people use a few games as a representative sample for the whole season and that’s just bollocks. You are aware that all the teams who played today (except Brighton) gained on us today? At least one team tomorrow will also gain on us. Feel free to be complacent... Yeah I am aware, so what? What about all the games we’ve gained on them earlier in the season? That’s why we’re 13th and they’re 14th to 20th. You talk as if the only thing that can happen in the future is that teams will continue to gain on us, whilst not considering the possibility that we’ll move further away from them on some days.
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Post by Yorkie on Jan 13, 2018 23:35:14 GMT 1
Yes it does. We’re 13th for the season as a whole, which means there are 7 worse teams than us and that’s after our poor run. The 7 worse teams than us are more likely to be relegated. Far too often people use a few games as a representative sample for the whole season and that’s just bollocks. You are aware that all the teams who played today (except Brighton) gained on us today? At least one team tomorrow will also gain on us. Feel free to be complacent... Who is the at least one team tomorrow that will gain on us?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:37:22 GMT 1
You are aware that all the teams who played today (except Brighton) gained on us today? At least one team tomorrow will also gain on us. Feel free to be complacent... Yeah I am aware, so what? What about all the games we’ve gained on them earlier in the season? That’s why we’re 13th and they’re 14th to 20th. You talk as if the only thing that can happen in the future is that teams will continue to gain on us, whilst not considering the possibility that we’ll move further away from them on some days. The points margins covering the league positions you're talking about are so small that a scientist would consider them negligible. We're as good a bet to be relegated as we are to finish tenth.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 13, 2018 23:42:41 GMT 1
Yeah I am aware, so what? What about all the games we’ve gained on them earlier in the season? That’s why we’re 13th and they’re 14th to 20th. You talk as if the only thing that can happen in the future is that teams will continue to gain on us, whilst not considering the possibility that we’ll move further away from them on some days. The points margins covering the league positions you're talking about are so small that a scientist would consider them negligible. We're as good a bet to be relegated as we are to finish tenth. So we are as good a bet to finish tenth as be relegated then.
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Post by lindleyite on Jan 13, 2018 23:43:12 GMT 1
Artaunovic second only to Kane in quality players we've seen at JSS this season. Eriksson, Mane, de bruyne Hazard
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 13, 2018 23:50:02 GMT 1
Think Frank Lamport summed us up nicely there, too many touches and taking too many risks in the wrong places.
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Post by pixie on Jan 13, 2018 23:50:08 GMT 1
I've had doubts since last season that Wagner is really as good as the reputation he has built for himself. His first two games against Wednesday and Boro were impressive despite the losses. However it might have just been "new manager syndrome". Didn't we actually finish the season lower than when he took over? He then gave himself loads of sycophantic publicity as a result of the Swedish trip. He comes across as a personable chap and on the surface appears to be a good man manager. My doubts are that he not up to the job tactically. Even when things are not going well he seems reluctant to change tactics. As someone else mentioned, playing out from the back is all well and good, but when it's done as slow as we play, we rarely pose the opposition any problems. In fact we quite often give ourselves problems when we lose the ball while still in our own half or even our own third of the pitch. The point is our players are not quick enough of feet or thought to be able to play like this. Until we get such players we should simply play to our strengths. If that means getting the ball into the opposition half as quickly as possible then so be it. It does not mean we will lose the ball every time, especially if we can gegenpress. Notice today when they got that 2nd goal. A quick forward ball and bingo. If we had been kicking off instead there would probably have been a back pass to Lossl somewhere along the line. There is a reason we don't score enough goals and it's not just because we're in the EPL because it was the same last season. Why not have a man beyond the back post when we have a corner? How many times does the ball clear everybody and run away to touch? Bolton scored last week when they had an unmarked player beyond the back post. As someone else said, "it's not rocket science". If we don't try something different it's even money we'll be relegated. After all I think we were jammy to be promoted in the first place, but now we're here let's pull out all the stops to stay here. And here's me thinking you just talked shite about 9/11. What a typical lazy response. If you've something interesting to say, why don't you let us all in on it? As far as 9/11 is concerned what you actually know would probably fit on the back of a postage stamp so I wouldn't pursue that subject if I were you.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 13, 2018 23:52:15 GMT 1
Come back moaner you need to diagnose that shite today
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Post by space hardware on Jan 13, 2018 23:53:43 GMT 1
And here's me thinking you just talked shite about 9/11. What a typical lazy response. If you've something interesting to say, why don't you let us all in on it? As far as 9/11 is concerned what you actually know would probably fit on the back of a postage stamp so I wouldn't pursue that subject if I were you. Haha! I've said plenty on today's game,Mr Tinfoil Hat, if you looked into it. I've no interest in anything you say on any subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:53:49 GMT 1
The points margins covering the league positions you're talking about are so small that a scientist would consider them negligible. We're as good a bet to be relegated as we are to finish tenth. So we are as good a bet to finish tenth as be relegated then. Haha... too right we are! Four points above the drop zone and three points below halfway with a shite goal difference.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 13, 2018 23:54:03 GMT 1
Come back moaner you need to diagnose that shite today Here comes the county coroner
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 13, 2018 23:56:28 GMT 1
I'm sorry but Tommy Smith is nowhere near good enough at this level. He was atrocious today and has been for slot of this season. We need a quality right back. Today was very poor and the insistence we have at playing the ball out from the back serves nothing other than to invite pressure onto ourselves and keeps us nowhere near the opposition goal. There's nothing wrong with playing the ball out from the back as long as it is done sensibly and the ball is worked forward through the team. Our problems today were passing out when it wasn't on, and continually going backwards and sideways in our own half. We didn't look forward enough. The tactic is OK, but the way we implement it is lacking. Spot on. Trying to be too brave. Man City were terrible at it last season. Spurs take big risks doing it.
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Post by Leporid on Jan 14, 2018 0:00:31 GMT 1
Surely the most concerning thing today is that we were outwitted by a coaching team with Stuart Pearce in its ranks. He's good in the warm up.
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 14, 2018 0:02:03 GMT 1
Frank lampard hits the nail on the head
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jan 14, 2018 0:05:06 GMT 1
Was the 3rd goal offside haven't caught the replay
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 0:06:18 GMT 1
Think Frank Lamport summed us up nicely there, too many touches and taking too many risks in the wrong places. Sounds like my love making techniques.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 14, 2018 0:07:07 GMT 1
Was the 3rd goal offside haven't caught the replay Clearly onside mate
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Post by Leporid on Jan 14, 2018 0:08:33 GMT 1
13th for now, how much longer? Hope I'm wrong but 3 points from the last 15 available might have sealed our fate especially with the run in we've got It makes the next 9 or 10 games absolutely crucial Today was the first day I've contemplated relegation. But that performance brought it to mind. Xmas and new year has been crap. Points were there to be taken and we've fallen short. Eh? Town got promoted through the play offs, with a negative goal difference, with the attendant late opportunity to strengthen the squad and you haven't contemplated relegation before? Come on old bean.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 14, 2018 0:10:12 GMT 1
Was the 3rd goal offside haven't caught the replay Clearly onside mate Yeah by the much maligned Smith another stick to beat him with.
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