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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 8, 2018 21:36:46 GMT 1
Whenever Ince got the ball yesterday he looked like he didn’t want it. I agree with you, I think his confidence is shot and he’s full of self doubt. He seemed nervous and his control was poor. Hopefully, he’ll get a bit of luck soon and things could change for him. Dont get me wrong he worked really hard and his defensive work was good, but thats not what hes here for.. His Dad should have a word with him. He didnt lack confidence In the absence of anyone else I'd keep selecting him. He does the work part of his job well. Hope he gets a break - we don't have any/many alternatives.
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Post by bullterrier on Apr 9, 2018 8:59:30 GMT 1
He’s shite the Only thing he’s good at is running he’s lightweight shits out of tackles shooting is poor no composure in front of goal and he can’t anticipate where the ball will land off Mounie . BUT HELL COME GOOD ONCE HE GETS ONE 😂😂😂😂😂 but I said to someone the other day as much as don’t like him it’s just like him to get a goal against arsenal to keep us up 🙈🙈🙈
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 9:13:05 GMT 1
Whenever Ince got the ball yesterday he looked like he didn’t want it. I agree with you, I think his confidence is shot and he’s full of self doubt. He seemed nervous and his control was poor. Hopefully, he’ll get a bit of luck soon and things could change for him. Dont get me wrong he worked really hard and his defensive work was good, but thats not what hes here for.. His Dad should have a word with him. He didnt lack confidence his dads probably telling him hes playing like Ronaldo,and its only a matter of time untill Real Madrid come calling
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 9, 2018 9:31:28 GMT 1
If we stay up the ball will be in his court. We would be looking to strengthen the squad over the summer so he will either have to up his game, accept he will be more of a squad player or move on. If he gets regularly squeezed out of the starting lineup by an incoming superior player I expect his dad will be in his ear telling him to put in a transfer request.
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Post by 66738 on Apr 9, 2018 9:41:36 GMT 1
I reckon the lad has no self belief. He does not think for one little bit that he is Premier League quality. His past failures in the PL have left a deep seated issue in his mind. "I couldn't cut the mustard before and I shall probably not cut it again" and what do ya know, he's convinced himself so much that he can't hack it, he can't / hasn't. Put him in the Championship and is mindset is totally different. It's a shame. Had high hopes for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 9:48:35 GMT 1
I think he needs the summer break. He’s declined as his confidence has lowered. He’s had 65 shots this season so is doing 90% right, I’m sure if a couple of those had flown into the net early in the season he’d have been a different player.
I’m still confident that a full pre-season with us and a good arm around the shoulder will see him playing a big part again next year.
No disguising the fact he’s a bit of a passenger lately though, not sure Collin is the answer either. Maybe try Smith at RB with a Flo in front of him?
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Post by isitjustme on Apr 9, 2018 11:01:22 GMT 1
I think he needs the summer break. He’s declined as his confidence has lowered. He’s had 65 shots this season so is doing 90% right, I’m sure if a couple of those had flown into the net early in the season he’d have been a different player. I’m still confident that a full pre-season with us and a good arm around the shoulder will see him playing a big part again next year. No disguising the fact he’s a bit of a passenger lately though, not sure Collin is the answer either. Maybe try Smith at RB with a Flo in front of him?If we stay up, I can't believe anybody with any ambition to stay in the PL, could see this as a viable option. We need much better!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:21:27 GMT 1
I think he needs the summer break. He’s declined as his confidence has lowered. He’s had 65 shots this season so is doing 90% right, I’m sure if a couple of those had flown into the net early in the season he’d have been a different player. I’m still confident that a full pre-season with us and a good arm around the shoulder will see him playing a big part again next year. No disguising the fact he’s a bit of a passenger lately though, not sure Collin is the answer either. Maybe try Smith at RB with a Flo in front of him?If we stay up, I can't believe anybody with any ambition to stay in the PL, could see this as a viable option. We need much better! Not if we stay up, it’s an option now. Flo has put far more quality balls in from the right than Ince and Collin combined. Why not free him up by playing him in a more advanced role?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Apr 9, 2018 11:32:19 GMT 1
I thought he was poor first half, improved second, but he's so fucking whiny and miserable - needs to get laid or smoke a bowl or something.... so highly strung it's clearly affecting his game.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2018 11:35:53 GMT 1
If we stay up, I can't believe anybody with any ambition to stay in the PL, could see this as a viable option. We need much better! Not if we stay up, it’s an option now. Flo has put far more quality balls in from the right than Ince and Collin combined. Why not free him up by playing him in a more advanced role? This post reminds me of the clamour a few years ago to play Jack Hunt on the wing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:42:18 GMT 1
Not if we stay up, it’s an option now. Flo has put far more quality balls in from the right than Ince and Collin combined. Why not free him up by playing him in a more advanced role? This post reminds me of the clamour a few years ago to play Jack Hunt on the wing. A tentatively suggested, one man clamour!
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2018 11:43:11 GMT 1
He has the basic attributes and I still think there is a chance he'll come good. Also need to factor in its not easy playing in this Town team because quality wise we are often way out of our depth and the defensive setup makes it very difficult as a winger as you're having to effectively do two jobs.
If we stay up I'd like to see some proper competition in his place but I still feel there is more to come from him.
IF we manage to stay up I expect next season will be that little bit easier for all of them because of the quality Wagner will be able to add in key areas and also the experience of this season will be invaluable.
His end product has been lacking and he's been particularly anonymous recently but I still think he is technically good enough for this league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:47:54 GMT 1
All our wingers have been quiet lately, mainly due to them being drawn too deep to get on the ball. Very hard to create anything when 9 times out of 10 you’re picking the ball up in your own half.
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Post by AndySk on Apr 9, 2018 12:31:56 GMT 1
Belongs in The Premier League II division. Too good for The Championship, Too shite for The Premier League
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 12:58:15 GMT 1
Most Def but he’s had more than enough chances still. Just hasn’t had the conviction. 40 odd shots by the halfway point or something similar. He was leading the whole division in shots at goal at one point. Ultimately we need better in the wide areas but there are no guarantees no matter how many millions you spend these days as Brighton are experincing with Izquierdo.. That stat doesn't tell you where the shots were from or where they ended up It's a prettt meaningless stat. I bet VLP is high up in the list of number of crosses. That stat also wouldn't tell you that 99% of them have been garbage Look I’m not a staunch defender of ince- merely that I’d give him the pre season unless anyone comes in with a £7m offer but he won’t want to drop down and no other prem team will come in for him. Re. Vlp I bet any money he isn’t in the the top 20 crosses in the league because he hardly ever actually does cross it because he’s no idea where to cross it. VLP was shite at crossing in the championship and still is. Ince though does know where the goal is though but hasn’t been able to find it this year yet. Vlp will never be a crossing winger he’s a ‘beat a man winger’ who feeds a modern day full back. If we had a Brady, a Robertson or cresswell overlapping instead of lowe or Malone we would be in the top half. Everyone points to our wingers as our weakest point but it’s our fullbacks who’ve been our weakest player hence why we’ve signed 2 mid season. The wingers needs quality fullbacks overlapping especially in Wagner’s system. Last year remember tommy smith had 10 assists- 8 of them for kachunga headers. Imagine if he’d been able to maintain that form whilst having moonie and LDP to aim for.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 9, 2018 13:23:42 GMT 1
All our wingers have been quiet lately, mainly due to them being drawn too deep to get on the ball. Very hard to create anything when 9 times out of 10 you’re picking the ball up in your own half. That is just part of their role in this system.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 9, 2018 13:26:10 GMT 1
That stat doesn't tell you where the shots were from or where they ended up It's a prettt meaningless stat. I bet VLP is high up in the list of number of crosses. That stat also wouldn't tell you that 99% of them have been garbage Look I’m not a staunch defender of ince- merely that I’d give him the pre season unless anyone comes in with a £7m offer but he won’t want to drop down and no other prem team will come in for him. Re. Vlp I bet any money he isn’t in the the top 20 crosses in the league because he hardly ever actually does cross it because he’s no idea where to cross it. VLP was shite at crossing in the championship and still is. Ince though does know where the goal is though but hasn’t been able to find it this year yet. Vlp will never be a crossing winger he’s a ‘beat a man winger’ who feeds a modern day full back. If we had a Brady, a Robertson or cresswell overlapping instead of lowe or Malone we would be in the top half. Everyone points to our wingers as our weakest point but it’s our fullbacks who’ve been our weakest player hence why we’ve signed 2 mid season. The wingers needs quality fullbacks overlapping especially in Wagner’s system. Last year remember tommy smith had 10 assists- 8 of them for kachunga headers. Imagine if he’d been able to maintain that form whilst having moonie and LDP to aim for. A lot of sense in there Joe. Not sure folk understand the role of full backs and "wide" men in this system.
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Post by greyarea on Apr 9, 2018 13:32:41 GMT 1
Look I’m not a staunch defender of ince- merely that I’d give him the pre season unless anyone comes in with a £7m offer but he won’t want to drop down and no other prem team will come in for him. Re. Vlp I bet any money he isn’t in the the top 20 crosses in the league because he hardly ever actually does cross it because he’s no idea where to cross it. VLP was shite at crossing in the championship and still is. Ince though does know where the goal is though but hasn’t been able to find it this year yet. Vlp will never be a crossing winger he’s a ‘beat a man winger’ who feeds a modern day full back. If we had a Brady, a Robertson or cresswell overlapping instead of lowe or Malone we would be in the top half. Everyone points to our wingers as our weakest point but it’s our fullbacks who’ve been our weakest player hence why we’ve signed 2 mid season. The wingers needs quality fullbacks overlapping especially in Wagner’s system. Last year remember tommy smith had 10 assists- 8 of them for kachunga headers. Imagine if he’d been able to maintain that form whilst having moonie and LDP to aim for. A lot of sense in there Joe. Not sure folk understand the role of full backs and "wide" men in this system. Yes. I have been meaning to put up a post about the role of 'wingers' in our system. That we don't play with traditional wingers, but with inside forwards whose job is carry the ball and then play the ball outside or a through ball for the support player to cross or shoot. I'll do it now!
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2018 14:34:49 GMT 1
That stat doesn't tell you where the shots were from or where they ended up It's a prettt meaningless stat. I bet VLP is high up in the list of number of crosses. That stat also wouldn't tell you that 99% of them have been garbage Look I’m not a staunch defender of ince- merely that I’d give him the pre season unless anyone comes in with a £7m offer but he won’t want to drop down and no other prem team will come in for him. Re. Vlp I bet any money he isn’t in the the top 20 crosses in the league because he hardly ever actually does cross it because he’s no idea where to cross it. VLP was shite at crossing in the championship and still is. Ince though does know where the goal is though but hasn’t been able to find it this year yet. Vlp will never be a crossing winger he’s a ‘beat a man winger’ who feeds a modern day full back. If we had a Brady, a Robertson or cresswell overlapping instead of lowe or Malone we would be in the top half. Everyone points to our wingers as our weakest point but it’s our fullbacks who’ve been our weakest player hence why we’ve signed 2 mid season. The wingers needs quality fullbacks overlapping especially in Wagner’s system. Last year remember tommy smith had 10 assists- 8 of them for kachunga headers. Imagine if he’d been able to maintain that form whilst having moonie and LDP to aim for. Also need to factor in the number of men we have in the box, even v ten men it seems we only ever have 2 men in the box max. Its got to be an unbelievable cross to give the forward a chance when its 3 or more against 1 in the box. You watch a lot of the lower placed teams, even West Brom and they have a lot of players in the opposition box when they are on the front foot and have a crossing opportunity. I'd love to see some stats on it. Point is I don't think poor quality crosses is necessarily the problem. Need to find ways to gamble more often without completely breaking the system and shape.
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Post by SN0W on Apr 9, 2018 15:00:43 GMT 1
He thought he could do it once....
"I'm still only 19, so I've got a lot of things to do before I can think of that properly, but I've watched my dad playing for England and that's where I want to be one day. In fact, I've told him I want to get to where he did and even better. That's my plan. He says it will never happen but you've got to have dreams, haven't you?"
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Look I’m not a staunch defender of ince- merely that I’d give him the pre season unless anyone comes in with a £7m offer but he won’t want to drop down and no other prem team will come in for him. Re. Vlp I bet any money he isn’t in the the top 20 crosses in the league because he hardly ever actually does cross it because he’s no idea where to cross it. VLP was shite at crossing in the championship and still is. Ince though does know where the goal is though but hasn’t been able to find it this year yet. Vlp will never be a crossing winger he’s a ‘beat a man winger’ who feeds a modern day full back. If we had a Brady, a Robertson or cresswell overlapping instead of lowe or Malone we would be in the top half. Everyone points to our wingers as our weakest point but it’s our fullbacks who’ve been our weakest player hence why we’ve signed 2 mid season. The wingers needs quality fullbacks overlapping especially in Wagner’s system. Last year remember tommy smith had 10 assists- 8 of them for kachunga headers. Imagine if he’d been able to maintain that form whilst having moonie and LDP to aim for. Also need to factor in the number of men we have in the box, even v ten men it seems we only ever have 2 men in the box max. Its got to be an unbelievable cross to give the forward a chance when its 3 or more against 1 in the box. You watch a lot of the lower placed teams, even West Brom and they have a lot of players in the opposition box when they are on the front foot and have a crossing opportunity. I'd love to see some stats on it. Point is I don't think poor quality crosses is necessarily the problem. Need to find ways to gamble more often without completely breaking the system and shape. I think that’ll come with the added confidence of having survived this year. We’ll go into next season with Wolves, Cardiff, fulham (or whoever) weaker than us plus the teams who survive with us on a par with us be it Swansea, Brighton, bourney, Newcastle, Watford etc. I can see us having a great second season. People can forget how short a time wagner has been here. It takes time to build. Likes of Stoke, Saints, swans, Watford, bourney have had quite a few years of prem money and transfer windows to build their squads.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 9, 2018 15:03:53 GMT 1
He thought he could do it once.... "I'm still only 19, so I've got a lot of things to do before I can think of that properly, but I've watched my dad playing for England and that's where I want to be one day. In fact, I've told him I want to get to where he did and even better. That's my plan. He says it will never happen but you've got to have dreams, haven't you?" Problem is I'm not sure he has improved since he was 19.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 15:09:39 GMT 1
Belongs in The Premier League II division. Too good for The Championship, Too shite for The Premier League He will score the goal or assist that keeps us up
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Post by nicko1973 on Apr 9, 2018 21:17:12 GMT 1
Ince would be perfect for Rangers or Celtic - about his level.
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 9, 2018 22:11:17 GMT 1
Ince would be perfect for Rangers or Celtic - about his level. Do you really think he could make the step up.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Apr 10, 2018 5:56:28 GMT 1
Ince would be perfect for Rangers or Celtic - about his level. Do you really think he could make the step up. Step up? You've never watched an SPL game then? One team that could hold it's own in the Championship and the rest might do well in League 2.
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 10, 2018 6:18:54 GMT 1
Do you really think he could make the step up. Step up? You've never watched an SPL game then? One team that could hold it's own in the Championship and the rest might do well in League 2. The SPL is great entertainment and top quality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 6:44:31 GMT 1
Do you really think he could make the step up. Step up? You've never watched an SPL game then? One team that could hold it's own in the Championship and the rest might do well in League 2. I think it's called sarcasm.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Apr 14, 2018 17:51:30 GMT 1
This guy is just not doing enough for me. I thought we'd signed a real matchwinner but it just doesn't happen. Looks like a good Championship player and one way or another I think that's where he will be next season, hopefully not with us. What the hell do I know about anything? Well done Tom lad, I never doubted you for a second 😁😁😁
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 14, 2018 18:21:57 GMT 1
This guy is just not doing enough for me. I thought we'd signed a real matchwinner but it just doesn't happen. Looks like a good Championship player and one way or another I think that's where he will be next season, hopefully not with us. What the hell do I know about anything? Well done Tom lad, I never doubted you for a second 😁😁😁 Tom Ince is a great goalscorer and a top bloke.
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