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Post by premtown on May 22, 2018 15:50:55 GMT 1
The other side of Wagner’s new deal is that it is a defensive move by Dean , any suiter will now have to pay massive compensation to Dean if they want Wagner .
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Post by yappledapple on May 22, 2018 16:00:10 GMT 1
I asked you this morning .. which were he seasons you ( and big ern) were more entertained ? And as I've told you, I was far more entertained last season than this. In the words of Maximus Decimus Meridius...
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
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Post by richhtfc on May 22, 2018 16:04:36 GMT 1
No way can I believe that Town will be paying a 100k a week to anyone at this stage, is the source credible? £5m a year is reportedly about what pochettino is on, think its total bollocks IMO I read what he reportedly got last year (£2.5m) put him in the top 10 best paid PL managers, so this increase would be consistent with that and mean that he is probably being paid just slightly less than Pochettino.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 16:40:24 GMT 1
If I want to be entertained I would take the missus to the theatre or the circus. Seriously, entertainment is a strange one, I guess the higher up the echelons we progress, the more likely it is we will not be able to compete by displaying a strong attacking philosophy. If we were in League 1 then yes we could play all out attacking football, and entertain the masses, still no guarantee though we would win 'owt. Can we just pause for a minute, and reflect where we are now, and where we have come from. We have just survived our first season back in the top flight, we took a point in each of the final two away games at Manchester City and Chelsea in the last week of the season. It might be a perverse definition of "entertainment" seeing as it was inches away from cacking one's pants, but if you weren't absolutely gripped by the enormity of what was at stake in all that, then perhaps a five goal league 1 thriller in our last meaningless match against Gillingham or such might have suited better ! 'If you want entertainment go and watch clowns'
As the then Stoke manager Alan Durban said in 1980 amidst dramatically falling attendances.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 22, 2018 16:41:52 GMT 1
100k a week is a staggering amount of money. We certainly won't be able to afford to sack him if he is signing a 4 year deal.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on May 22, 2018 18:00:51 GMT 1
If the reported figure is correct then that will also bring added pressure on DW to perform well. If he likes that sort of pressure then fine but he maybe should not be surprised if there is more criticism if he fails to live up to his value.
On a personal note I'd be happy with a paltry 2.5 million a year as that one year would set me and my family up for life.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 22, 2018 18:07:13 GMT 1
Some of the football we played was poor. You do realise what we’re up against in the premier league though don’t you? A wage bill less than half the next lowest and the weakest squad in the division. Football is not played in a vacuum. Sometimes we play shit because the other team are better than us and force us to play shit. We clearly need to improve how we attack, get better wingers in and be more of a goal threat, but let’s be realistic about the challenges we face. All this is true. But the Liverpool and Chelsea games, in particular, were disappointing though. Not because Town were completely outplayed, they were v Spurs but I still enjoyed that one, but the team seemed set up not to even try and win it. I'm generally on the other side of this debate, but agree with that. I would've happily left 25 mins into the second half of the Chelsea game if my lift felt the same 😁
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on May 22, 2018 18:09:08 GMT 1
Some of the football we played was poor. You do realise what we’re up against in the premier league though don’t you? A wage bill less than half the next lowest and the weakest squad in the division. Football is not played in a vacuum. Sometimes we play shit because the other team are better than us and force us to play shit. We clearly need to improve how we attack, get better wingers in and be more of a goal threat, but let’s be realistic about the challenges we face. All this is true. But the Liverpool and Chelsea games, in particular, were disappointing though. Not because Town were completely outplayed, they were v Spurs but I still enjoyed that one, but the team seemed set up not to even try and win it. I think it would be fair to say we were confused and trying to find a way to play against the top clubs. Think we now have the basis for next season after Man City and Chelsea away. It will be more important how we play against the bottom 13 though.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on May 22, 2018 18:14:41 GMT 1
On the subject of Wagner’s learning curve - prior to the of January we lost by 3 or more goals on 7 occasions. Thereafter, not for the rest of the season. It might be argued that this is simply down to the arrival of Kongolo the Magnificent but I think it’s more than that and evidence of improvement after the first few months. The last such loss was to Liverpool. It's a bit weird. We considerably strengthened the team with the addition of Kongolo and Pritchard, but got far more points before they arrived. Hope we get to 20 points as quickly next season.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 23, 2018 8:31:40 GMT 1
£5m a year is reportedly about what pochettino is on, think its total bollocks IMO I read what he reportedly got last year (£2.5m) put him in the top 10 best paid PL managers, so this increase would be consistent with that and mean that he is probably being paid just slightly less than Pochettino. Scary Monopoly money
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 8:38:40 GMT 1
100k a week is a staggering amount of money. We certainly won't be able to afford to sack him if he is signing a 4 year deal. unless there's a clause in the contract that says we can.
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 23, 2018 9:09:35 GMT 1
Having seen what the club has gone through financially before and from when he became chairman I doubt very much that Dean Hoyle will be offering any contracts that puts us over a barrel with either management or players. If they are deemed necessary there will be more clauses than at a father christmas convention.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on May 23, 2018 9:37:18 GMT 1
Seems to be taking quite a while for this contract to get sorted. Read into that what you will.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 23, 2018 9:39:13 GMT 1
Seems to be taking quite a while for this contract to get sorted. Read into that what you will. Or.... hear me out on this one, it may sound crazy, he is in fact in Dortmund visiting family and comes back Thursday? Mental i know but he is allowed a break.
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Post by mids on May 23, 2018 9:40:21 GMT 1
Seems to be taking quite a while for this contract to get sorted. Read into that what you will. He's on holiday. Give the lad a chance to refresh his batteries. He is staying. His contract will be improved. Let's hope the same happens next May
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 9:40:57 GMT 1
Seems to be taking quite a while for this contract to get sorted. Read into that what you will. Perhaps people read too much into things anyway.
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Post by detox on May 23, 2018 9:47:39 GMT 1
As I understood it, the pay structure was heavily weighted to success on the pitch ..and reported bonuses were generous.. The rewards for survival just for Wagner was £2.5m, with the players sharing a hefty sum too. This is what DH said some time ago, lower wages but hefty incentives. If DW has now said he wants his 'bonus' consolidating into his basic wage...well that is possibly understandable...he's done the job, now he wants to get on with developing us further ..he's not a 'trainee' any more...
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Post by upthetown on May 23, 2018 10:52:25 GMT 1
Seems to be taking quite a while for this contract to get sorted. Read into that what you will. Or.... hear me out on this one, it may sound crazy, he is in fact in Dortmund visiting family and comes back Thursday? Mental i know but he is allowed a break. In Dortmund? It’s like Chris Powell all over again.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on May 23, 2018 11:44:25 GMT 1
As I understood it, the pay structure was heavily weighted to success on the pitch ..and reported bonuses were generous.. The rewards for survival just for Wagner was £2.5m, with the players sharing a hefty sum too. This is what DH said some time ago, lower wages but hefty incentives. If DW has now said he wants his 'bonus' consolidating into his basic wage...well that is possibly understandable...he's done the job, now he wants to get on with developing us further ..he's not a 'trainee' any more... Yeah that’s how i’d see negotiations going, more money upfront from his generous bonus. Our players will have been paid handsomly for their achievements and the teams we bought from will likely now get full whack. Derby, Norwich and Fulham fans should be glad we stayed up.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on May 23, 2018 12:47:40 GMT 1
Interesting that none of the many clubs appointing new managers have really seemed interested in Wagner. I'm very happy that's the case obviously but I wonder what it is that gives them reservations?
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 23, 2018 12:54:07 GMT 1
Interesting that none of the many clubs appointing new managers have really seemed interested in Wagner. I'm very happy that's the case obviously but I wonder what it is that gives them reservations? They might have been but Wagners reply could have gone something like this... 🖕🤓🖕 😁
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Post by shepley58 on May 23, 2018 12:55:56 GMT 1
The following is plausible
* terms agreed in principle last week. Some journalists are briefed off the record
* DW goes on holiday.
* Lawyers draft and comment on new contract. Any “difficult” areas are identified
* DW returns next week. He and Dean Hoyle iron out the difficuties
* Contract signed. Press release.
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 23, 2018 12:56:44 GMT 1
Maybe they just know hes not interested at the moment? Wagner thinking this is still an ongoing project rather than a completed one?
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Post by jasrick on May 24, 2018 10:04:34 GMT 1
The following is plausible * terms agreed in principle last week. Some journalists are briefed off the record * DW goes on holiday. * Lawyers draft and comment on new contract. Any “difficult” areas are identified * DW returns next week. He and Dean Hoyle iron out the difficuties * Contract signed. Press release. I can't handle the lengthy process. Us bedwetters are going through sheets daily!
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on May 24, 2018 10:28:59 GMT 1
The following is plausible * terms agreed in principle last week. Some journalists are briefed off the record * DW goes on holiday. * Lawyers draft and comment on new contract. Any “difficult” areas are identified * DW returns next week. He and Dean Hoyle iron out the difficuties * Contract signed. Press release. Just as long as we don't end up with DWEXIT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 11:20:39 GMT 1
Interesting that none of the many clubs appointing new managers have really seemed interested in Wagner. I'm very happy that's the case obviously but I wonder what it is that gives them reservations? The owners are probably concerned what would happen when Wagner shows up and tells the players they have to move closer to the club and show up twice a day to train. Lots of clubs where the players would revolt and it would not work.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 11:33:11 GMT 1
Interesting that none of the many clubs appointing new managers have really seemed interested in Wagner. I'm very happy that's the case obviously but I wonder what it is that gives them reservations? The owners are probably concerned what would happen when Wagner shows up and tells the players they have to move closer to the club and show up twice a day to train. Lots of clubs where the players would revolt and it would not work. makes our clubs mantra more special. Everyone's in this together.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 11:40:15 GMT 1
Seems to be taking quite a while for this contract to get sorted. Read into that what you will. Perhaps people read too much into things anyway. Deans not worried it will be sorted
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Post by cappy on May 24, 2018 12:32:19 GMT 1
Do you think they are waiting till 29th May to tell us. So we can have another it's a f##king dream day.,
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Post by nicko1973 on May 24, 2018 12:51:40 GMT 1
100k a week is a staggering amount of money. We certainly won't be able to afford to sack him if he is signing a 4 year deal. Puts Sean Dyche's £70,000 a week in the shade and he got Burnley into Europe. Pellegrini getting £200k a week at West Ham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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