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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:04:40 GMT 1
100k a week is a staggering amount of money. We certainly won't be able to afford to sack him if he is signing a 4 year deal. Puts Sean Dyche's £70,000 a week in the shade and he got Burnley into Europe. Pellegrini getting £200k a week at West Ham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 hope they go bust!
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Post by dugnet on May 24, 2018 13:05:20 GMT 1
How about;
Rebbe joins formally and there is a joint press conference to introduce him and DW signing a new deal? Probably announced next week.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 16:07:58 GMT 1
Perhaps people read too much into things anyway. Deans not worried it will be sorted I agree.
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Post by huddersfc on May 24, 2018 17:29:39 GMT 1
I think talk of 100k a week and being on the same money as Pochettino are ludicrous to be honest. There can surely be no way we are matching a top 6 managers wages for the next 4 years. If its true, this could be where things start to spiral out of control in terms of money, especially when you consider we will more than likely start the season 2nd favourites for relegation. I think the structure of last season worked well with lower wages, but bigger bonuses for staying up, and provided much more incentive for the players and manager to keep on fighting for their lives rather than them knowing they had a big pay cheque no matter what they did. I am not saying Wagner doesnt deserve a lucrative deal, but we really do have to be realistic, because if the worst case happened I would hate to see us do a Sunderland and be stuck with players/coaches/managers who we are paying all our parachute payments to, rather than using the parachute payments to strengthen and pushing straight for promotion back.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 24, 2018 17:34:08 GMT 1
I think talk of 100k a week and being on the same money as Pochettino are ludicrous to be honest. There can surely be no way we are matching a top 6 managers wages for the next 4 years. If its true, this could be where things start to spiral out of control in terms of money, especially when you consider we will more than likely start the season 2nd favourites for relegation. I think the structure of last season worked well with lower wages, but bigger bonuses for staying up, and provided much more incentive for the players and manager to keep on fighting for their lives rather than them knowing they had a big pay cheque no matter what they did. I am not saying Wagner doesnt deserve a lucrative deal, but we really do have to be realistic, because if the worst case happened I would hate to see us do a Sunderland and be stuck with players/coaches/managers who we are paying all our parachute payments to, rather than using the parachute payments to strengthen and pushing straight for promotion back. I'd have to agree with this, 100k a week just to keep us up. I'd be wanting a bit more for that sort of money.
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Post by benhomly on May 24, 2018 17:42:50 GMT 1
I think talk of 100k a week and being on the same money as Pochettino are ludicrous to be honest. There can surely be no way we are matching a top 6 managers wages for the next 4 years. If its true, this could be where things start to spiral out of control in terms of money, especially when you consider we will more than likely start the season 2nd favourites for relegation. I think the structure of last season worked well with lower wages, but bigger bonuses for staying up, and provided much more incentive for the players and manager to keep on fighting for their lives rather than them knowing they had a big pay cheque no matter what they did. I am not saying Wagner doesnt deserve a lucrative deal, but we really do have to be realistic, because if the worst case happened I would hate to see us do a Sunderland and be stuck with players/coaches/managers who we are paying all our parachute payments to, rather than using the parachute payments to strengthen and pushing straight for promotion back. I would suggest that a man who started with nothing and built a fortune worth nearly £400m will continue to make the right decisions.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2018 17:56:33 GMT 1
I think talk of 100k a week and being on the same money as Pochettino are ludicrous to be honest. There can surely be no way we are matching a top 6 managers wages for the next 4 years. If its true, this could be where things start to spiral out of control in terms of money, especially when you consider we will more than likely start the season 2nd favourites for relegation. I think the structure of last season worked well with lower wages, but bigger bonuses for staying up, and provided much more incentive for the players and manager to keep on fighting for their lives rather than them knowing they had a big pay cheque no matter what they did. I am not saying Wagner doesnt deserve a lucrative deal, but we really do have to be realistic, because if the worst case happened I would hate to see us do a Sunderland and be stuck with players/coaches/managers who we are paying all our parachute payments to, rather than using the parachute payments to strengthen and pushing straight for promotion back. Talksport were saying today Pochetino has just signed a new 5 year deal on £8.5m a year, so about £165k a week. i don't think theres any doubt £5m would be a good wage for a lower end prem manager. Not ridiculous compared to others though, but certainly more than many. Think its a reflection of how important he is to our continued status at this level- plus a reward for getting us here and keeping us up. Wagners maybe more important to us than say Pochetino is to spurs? Either way, no need to worry about it. Dean is a very astute, experienced businessman. He isn;t going to do anything unless its accounted for and in his view justified, and that shjould be good enough for everyone. In terms of relegation, Id presume Wagner's contract, much like the players', will have clauses that take relegation into account should that happen.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 24, 2018 18:15:17 GMT 1
I'd be more inclined to think it would be a larger uplift in the bonus structure as opposed to whacked up at the front end.
Mainly because it would appear that DW has the dressing room settled because there probably aren't whacking great disparities in player wages for the nucleus of the first team squad. If DW himself starts to all of a sudden jump onto a whole new level to the team, it will only take one or two dissenting voices for his control of them to start to be weakened, especially if we hit a bad patch...
DW doesn't strike me as being greedy, more that he wants to be paid what he's worth but is happy to prove his worth, as opposed to take a massive weekly pay cheque & then relying on the contract to protect him as he sits back in an armchair...
We seem to have a Manager who is a bit old school, quite ethical about things - if that's only even half right it's a breath of fresh air when compared to the mercenary tactics employed by loads of others...
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Post by jonny5 on May 24, 2018 18:25:17 GMT 1
he wont be with us if we get relegated
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 20:17:36 GMT 1
he wont be with us if we get relegated is that a problem?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 24, 2018 20:35:20 GMT 1
he wont be with us if we get relegated Nor will about 8k 'supporters'...
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Post by kes on May 24, 2018 20:50:34 GMT 1
he wont be with us if we get relegated Nor will about 8k 'supporters'... As we'd sold out SC's long before divisional status was confirmed I suggest that is nonsense. As a club we have never had a higher profile.
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Post by richhtfc on May 24, 2018 20:58:10 GMT 1
I think talk of 100k a week and being on the same money as Pochettino are ludicrous to be honest. There can surely be no way we are matching a top 6 managers wages for the next 4 years. If its true, this could be where things start to spiral out of control in terms of money, especially when you consider we will more than likely start the season 2nd favourites for relegation. I think the structure of last season worked well with lower wages, but bigger bonuses for staying up, and provided much more incentive for the players and manager to keep on fighting for their lives rather than them knowing they had a big pay cheque no matter what they did. I am not saying Wagner doesnt deserve a lucrative deal, but we really do have to be realistic, because if the worst case happened I would hate to see us do a Sunderland and be stuck with players/coaches/managers who we are paying all our parachute payments to, rather than using the parachute payments to strengthen and pushing straight for promotion back. I think you have to factor what the opportunity cost of not paying him what he wants is. Our success is down to many factors but the biggest of those is Wagner, he goes we’re in bother, he knows it Dean knows it. Considering the obscene riches on offer, it’s relatively worth it for us.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 21:50:59 GMT 1
I would assume that Dean would insist on two things:
1. Performance related pay, i.e. big bonus for achieving our targets which would primarily be staying up. If it was me he may end up with an equivalent of 100k per week but only if he meets the targets.
2. Relegation clause and reduced pay should we go down. People say if we go down Wagner goes but his achievements would not look so good if we were to get relegated so he may not be the hot property everyone seems to assume. His status obviously improves the longer we stay up.
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Post by Doug Jardine on May 24, 2018 21:57:01 GMT 1
If Wagner is to be on £100k per week, (£5M per year) this will probably mean that the whole of the season ticket sales may not even cover his yearly wage
Rough estimate (Do not know the exact figures ........ although I'm sure somebody will)
Based on 20,000 season tickets sold - Adults Circa 12,000 @ £250 = £3M - Under 18's Circa 5,000 @ £130 = £0.65M - Under 8's Circa 3,000 @ £50 = £0.15M
Total Circa = £3.8M (As stated do not know the exact figures)
We have a manager that is highly thought of - Were playing with the big boys, so we have to the going rate
***** but it seams crazy to me, that the whole of the season ticket sales, maybe spent on the managers wages ***********
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Post by jonny5 on May 24, 2018 22:07:15 GMT 1
he wont be with us if we get relegated is that a problem? Not as big as the problem of being relegated, but it would also depend on who we'd get in to replace of course, My point was that Dean H said he'd more than likely have left this year if we weren't in the premier league so I don't thing next year will be any different, Hence he will leave and his new wage of whatever it is will not be a problem to us financially. Sorry I should have elaborated first time around, it wasn't a negative positive.
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Post by benhomly on May 24, 2018 23:44:54 GMT 1
If Wagner is to be on £100k per week, (£5M per year) this will probably mean that the whole of the season ticket sales may not even cover his yearly wage Rough estimate (Do not know the exact figures ........ although I'm sure somebody will) Based on 20,000 season tickets sold - Adults Circa 12,000 @ £250 = £3M - Under 18's Circa 5,000 @ £130 = £0.65M - Under 8's Circa 3,000 @ £50 = £0.15M Total Circa = £3.8M (As stated do not know the exact figures) We have a manager that is highly thought of - Were playing with the big boys, so we have to the going rate ***** but it seams crazy to me, that the whole of the season ticket sales, maybe spent on the managers wages *********** Season ticket revenue £3.8m (your figure) One season in the PL £120m for finishing bottom Why is it crazy that a tiny fraction of your income should be spent on your managers wages?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 23:51:03 GMT 1
A mediocre Champ player costs £5m - Scott Malone cost about that? - so given the primacy of the manager to our success it’s chicken feed. 5% of our turnover on a factor responsible for something like 75% of our success.
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Post by 66738 on May 25, 2018 9:40:54 GMT 1
If Wagner is to be on £100k per week, (£5M per year) this will probably mean that the whole of the season ticket sales may not even cover his yearly wage Rough estimate (Do not know the exact figures ........ although I'm sure somebody will) Based on 20,000 season tickets sold - Adults Circa 12,000 @ £250 = £3M - Under 18's Circa 5,000 @ £130 = £0.65M - Under 8's Circa 3,000 @ £50 = £0.15M Total Circa = £3.8M (As stated do not know the exact figures) We have a manager that is highly thought of - Were playing with the big boys, so we have to the going rate ***** but it seams crazy to me, that the whole of the season ticket sales, maybe spent on the managers wages *********** Season ticket revenue £3.8m (your figure) One season in the PL £120m for finishing bottom Why is it crazy that a tiny fraction of your income should be spent on your managers wages? Dean Hoyle has stated that bums on seats only accounts for 3% of our revenue in the PL. That is a tiny amount. He was trying to highlight why expanding the stadium at this moment in time would not be worth the expense just to increase crowds by a couple of Thousand.
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Post by aydansatownfan on May 25, 2018 10:08:00 GMT 1
Stated in the press 🤔 wagner received a 2.5 million bonus for us staying up which doubled his wages !! So his salary last year was 5 million basically 100k a week ! Once again according to the press we are looking at paying DW 100k per week in a new contract which probably knowing how the club works has far better compensation clauses attached to it . So in a fantasy world of being in the office when Dean and David discuss contracts, the conversation probably goes “David are you ok with the same as last season but paid in full for 4 years, with a big compensation clause for us ? Of course dean that’s great cheers “ utt PS don’t believe everything it says in the press
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 25, 2018 10:37:35 GMT 1
Town are playing with ridiculous monopoly money . Bringing in obscene sums then redirecting them mainly in the direction of players undeserving of such riches.. People need to forget about the money. It's sick and beyond our comprehension but it's the reality of the present and here to stay. In that context I can't believe anyone gives a shit what Wagner is paid. Ultimately what he is paid is commensurate with how much we want to keep him. And we want to keep him big time. Lose schindler or Mounie and the show goes on.. Lose Wagner and we could be in a whole world of pain . He deserves to be the highest paid person at htfc in my opinion
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Post by bobbyboy123 on May 25, 2018 10:45:45 GMT 1
Got to agree with every word of this. Keep Wagner at all costs !
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 25, 2018 10:45:57 GMT 1
Town are playing with ridiculous monopoly money . Bringing in obscene sums then redirecting them mainly in the direction of players undeserving of such riches.. People need to forget about the money. It's sick and beyond our comprehension but it's the reality of the present and here to stay. In that context I can't believe anyone gives a shit what Wagner is paid. Ultimately what he is paid is commensurate with how much we want to keep him. And we want to keep him big time. Lose schindler or Mounie and the show goes on.. Lose Wagner and we could be in a whole world of pain . He deserves to be the highest paid person at htfc in my opinion Agree but to compare losing Schindler to losing Mounie is wrong. Losing Schindler would be a nightmare, losing Mounie would not matter one bit.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 25, 2018 10:48:31 GMT 1
Town are playing with ridiculous monopoly money . Bringing in obscene sums then redirecting them mainly in the direction of players undeserving of such riches.. People need to forget about the money. It's sick and beyond our comprehension but it's the reality of the present and here to stay. In that context I can't believe anyone gives a shit what Wagner is paid. Ultimately what he is paid is commensurate with how much we want to keep him. And we want to keep him big time. Lose schindler or Mounie and the show goes on.. Lose Wagner and we could be in a whole world of pain . He deserves to be the highest paid person at htfc in my opinion Agree but to compare losing Schindler to losing Mounie is wrong. Losing Schindler would be a nightmare, losing Mounie would not matter one bit. I’m just trying to illustrate that losing Wagner would imo be most damaging . Agree that out of all the squad losing CS would be the worst . Although I hear Peter Clarke hasn’t retired yet
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Post by benhomly on May 25, 2018 11:52:54 GMT 1
Town are playing with ridiculous monopoly money . Bringing in obscene sums then redirecting them mainly in the direction of players undeserving of such riches.. People need to forget about the money. It's sick and beyond our comprehension but it's the reality of the present and here to stay. In that context I can't believe anyone gives a shit what Wagner is paid. Ultimately what he is paid is commensurate with how much we want to keep him. And we want to keep him big time. Lose schindler or Mounie and the show goes on.. Lose Wagner and we could be in a whole world of pain . He deserves to be the highest paid person at htfc in my opinion Agree but to compare losing Schindler to losing Mounie is wrong. Losing Schindler would be a nightmare, losing Mounie would not matter one bit. If we get someone who can get some decent balls into our strikers this summer you might be eating those words in 12 months time
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 12:03:29 GMT 1
Yeah good but we still need to improve our attacking tactics. I wonder if Wagner or any of our squad will ever realise how important that is. If we don t improve our attacking tactics we will be in the same position again next May desperate for points at end of season to ensure survival. Much as it s great what wagner has done for us, hard work doesn't get you everything in this division if he doesn't improve attacking tactics within the first 2 months of next season id still replace him because the club comes before anyone.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 25, 2018 12:05:10 GMT 1
Yeah good but we still need to improve our attacking tactics. I wonder if Wagner or any of our squad will ever realise how important that is. If we don t improve our attacking tactics we will be in the same position again next May desperate for points at end of season to ensure survival. Much as it s great what wagner has done for us, hard work doesn't get you everything in this division if he doesn't improve attacking tactics within the first 2 months of next season id still replace him because the club comes before anyone. Who would you replace him with?
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Post by basil on May 25, 2018 12:23:42 GMT 1
Yeah good but we still need to improve our attacking tactics. I wonder if Wagner or any of our squad will ever realise how important that is. If we don t improve our attacking tactics we will be in the same position again next May desperate for points at end of season to ensure survival. Much as it s great what wagner has done for us, hard work doesn't get you everything in this division if he doesn't improve attacking tactics within the first 2 months of next season id still replace him because the club comes before anyone. Who would you replace him with? Someone who's been to Tesco to get some of them there 'attacking tactics'.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 25, 2018 12:26:13 GMT 1
Who would you replace him with? Someone who's been to Tesco to get some of them there 'attacking tactics'. Attacking tactics is the new red lorry yellow lorry
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Post by midge on May 25, 2018 12:27:05 GMT 1
Agree but to compare losing Schindler to losing Mounie is wrong. Losing Schindler would be a nightmare, losing Mounie would not matter one bit. If we get someone who can get some decent balls into our strikers this summer you might be eating those words in 12 months time Agreed- It's one thing listening to the lazy pundits saying that just finding better strikers will solve our goal scoring issues, I can't quite get my head around some of our fans who have witnessed last season actually believing the same!!
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