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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 22, 2018 18:46:49 GMT 1
Bloody garbage fromstart to finish except for a ten minute spell. We look totally out of our depth at this level. We couldn't even get the basics right today. Mbenza should never play for Town again, Bacuna had a shocker but it wasn't just them, everyone was crap. What is Schindler doing allowing Redmond to win the ball back for the 3rd? Struggle to see where we go from here apart from back to The Championship. we have looked a poor team before, today we did not look like a team at all....
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Post by shawsie on Dec 22, 2018 18:48:15 GMT 1
Bacuna was a total liability all game. Funny how you can remember Bacuna creating chances (which I really can't btw) but always seem to forget anything positive Pritchard does. Bacuna had a stinker, but Pritchard probably did lose every 50:50 and even 60:40 in his favour. Pritchard does seem to get judged differently to some others. Pritchard was utter shite today.....and has been for most of the season for me. He doesn't create much.....score much......or really do much at this level. Good in the championship but not quick enough or strong enough for the top flight. He wasn't alone today though. Awful performance
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 18:49:51 GMT 1
We just ended the 90minutes with Quaner on the pitch and 5 defenders. Utterly laughable tactics.
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Post by ACW on Dec 22, 2018 18:49:59 GMT 1
It was just embarrassing. Billing was only decent player on the pitch. Everyone just looked spent. Don't know what we're going to do from here. To be honest, I have thought even Billing was pretty poor until he scored. He played much better after he scored, but the game passed him by in the first half. With such an inexperienced midfield we needed him today and sadly he only showed up for half a match. Not that I'm scapegoating him - he was part of a poor overall performance by the whole team - but I expected more from him in that dire first half.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 22, 2018 18:50:14 GMT 1
Why does Wagner put up with Flo feigning injury. The lad is an embarrassment. We need battlers if we're to stand a chance and this soft lad is faking injury on the side of the pitch while the game goes on with us down to ten men
It's the same every game
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Post by ACW on Dec 22, 2018 18:58:33 GMT 1
Bacuna had a stinker, but Pritchard probably did lose every 50:50 and even 60:40 in his favour. Pritchard does seem to get judged differently to some others. Pritchard was utter shite today.....and has been for most of the season for me. He doesn't create much.....score much......or really do much at this level. Good in the championship but not quick enough or strong enough for the top flight. He wasn't alone today though. Awful performance I don't know what to make of Pritchard. We're a better team with him in it, but he's not nearly effective enough at this level. He has no competition really in his role, but he's not doing enough. We could drop him, but who could do his job better? He does some decent things in midfield, but rarely produces anything of note in the opposition's box. He's busy but ineffective. I think he's probably one of those players who looks very good in the Championship, but struggles at the this level. That said, it's always going to be tough without Hogg and Mooy. We had the heart of our midfield ripped out, so it was always going to be a struggle, particularly against a team full of confidence having beaten Arsenal last week. But Pritchard has been largely ineffective where it matters all season. He's not a bad player, and the best we have in his specialist position, but probably not good enough in the Premier League.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 22, 2018 19:03:45 GMT 1
Billing has too much to carry without Mooy. Today proved to me that we're utterly devoid of confidence as well.
Everyone has the right to an opinion and I'll still have hope until it's so blindingly obvious that we are fated to relegation.
It's less than a month since we played Wolves off the park.
Our not scoring issue is just made far worse when we have to chase the game & then make schoolboy errors.
Frustratingly we're not a bad team, but we struggle to have any threat on the break like many other teams do. The team changes don't help any fluidity but we've got to find a way to overcome so many negatives taking over the mindset of the players.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water though. We still have enough time to scrape out of this...
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Post by impact on Dec 22, 2018 19:13:14 GMT 1
Bacuna was a total liability all game. Funny how you can remember Bacuna creating chances (which I really can't btw) but always seem to forget anything positive Pritchard does. Bacuna had a stinker, but Pritchard probably did lose every 50:50 and even 60:40 in his favour. Pritchard does seem to get judged differently to some others. As did Zanka and Flo. Kongolo only ever seems to see 1 side of Pritchard, however.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 22, 2018 19:15:49 GMT 1
first half is worst ive ever seen us appalled ! thank god Co llin. came on in the second half
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 22, 2018 19:21:47 GMT 1
Embarrassing. Let's just go down and be grateful that we will not be a laughing stock next year.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 22, 2018 19:27:45 GMT 1
Want to see most of these looser on the bench ,but that bench being on Huddersfield railway station where most of these overpaid failures can f-ck -ff back to where they come from ASAP. Someone has f-cked up big time with these summer signings , and that surely is the first p45 Dean will be giving to someone Hope they cancel christmas for every player ,and bring someone in to show them the basics required for being a pro footballer at this level I though the terriers would have put up a fight today but ended up being gutless poodles who were an embarassment to the club and its wonderful supporters So what next
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Post by k1htafc on Dec 22, 2018 19:29:52 GMT 1
Has anyone seen any post-match interviews? Unless I've missed them, seems ominous by the lack of them considering the match ended over an hour and a half ago.
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Post by 4 pts on Dec 22, 2018 19:31:21 GMT 1
Pritchard was utter shite today.....and has been for most of the season for me. He doesn't create much.....score much......or really do much at this level. Good in the championship but not quick enough or strong enough for the top flight. He wasn't alone today though. Awful performance I don't know what to make of Pritchard. We're a better team with him in it, but he's not nearly effective enough at this level. He has no competition really in his role, but he's not doing enough. We could drop him, but who could do his job better? He does some decent things in midfield, but rarely produces anything of note in the opposition's box. He's busy but ineffective. I think he's probably one of those players who looks very good in the Championship, but struggles at the this level. That said, it's always going to be tough without Hogg and Mooy. We had the heart of our midfield ripped out, so it was always going to be a struggle, particularly against a team full of confidence having beaten Arsenal last week. But Pritchard has been largely ineffective where it matters all season. He's not a bad player, and the best we have in his specialist position, but probably not good enough in the Premier League. IF Pritchard had the exact same chance as Redmond, would he have scored ? I would say with confidence, probably not and therein lies the difference. I don't particularly rate Redmond but put them side by side and the gulf in quality is massive. Pritchard is a very very good Championship player and that's the problem.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 22, 2018 19:32:11 GMT 1
Bacuna had a stinker, but Pritchard probably did lose every 50:50 and even 60:40 in his favour. Pritchard does seem to get judged differently to some others. As did Zanka and Flo. Kongolo only ever seems to see 1 side of Pritchard, however. Wasn't his best game, with a couple of major mistakes, but Zanka won plenty. Kongola is very critical of our players, but at least he's consistent 😂
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 22, 2018 19:35:58 GMT 1
Has anyone seen any post-match interviews? Unless I've missed them, seems ominous by the lack of them considering the match ended over an hour and a half ago. There's something on Town's Twitter feed. Wagner bemoaniong the loss of four midfileders but also acknowledging that we were shite in the fist half and passed it backwards too much (we do that every week). Nowt worth linking to.
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Post by k1htafc on Dec 22, 2018 19:46:05 GMT 1
Has anyone seen any post-match interviews? Unless I've missed them, seems ominous by the lack of them considering the match ended over an hour and a half ago. There's something on Town's Twitter feed. Wagner bemoaniong the loss of four midfileders but also acknowledging that we were shite in the fist half and passed it backwards too much (we do that every week). Nowt worth linking to. Cheers, not on twitter so hadn't seen it. Either way it is very worrying. To me it feels like Wagner had his 'Lee Clark at Millwall' moment back when we played Spurs at home last season in terms of a change in philosophy - and this season it feels as though that philosophy is getting more and more negative, particularly against the teams around us. Players missing or not, we seem to be scared of the opposition and trying not to lose rather than making them worry about us: a drum we had no qualms beating when it came to Powell, Clark and Robins. Hell, I wager if Hogg had been available Mbenza would not have started today. Sure, we haven't conceded all too many (before today we had conceded fewer than Manchester United) but the attacking impetus is dreadful. Almost everything is slow and laborious between the midfield and defence, when it does get up the pitch for a cross we take ages to get it in giving the opposition defence time to set themselves - and because of that we're having to rely on set pieces and Billing when he fancies smashing one in from range because from open play we couldn't score in a brothel.
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 22, 2018 19:49:07 GMT 1
Bloody garbage fromstart to finish except for a ten minute spell. We look totally out of our depth at this level. We couldn't even get the basics right today. Mbenza should never play for Town again, Bacuna had a shocker but it wasn't just them, everyone was crap. What is Schindler doing allowing Redmond to win the ball back for the 3rd? Struggle to see where we go from here apart from back to The Championship. 100% this. Why didn’t Schindler just boot it into row Z? If that had of been Zanka he’d of been crucified. I honestly can’t remember the last time I saw a town team look so tactically clueless. It’s borderline arrogance from them to think if they keep doing the same thing even though it’s clear that it isn’t working. The 5 at the back system harms us in so many ways, it’s scary how Wagner cannot see that it’s harming our attacking play. Under him we’ve never scored a lot of goals we got promoted with a negative goal difference but seriously this is becoming next level.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 22, 2018 20:03:02 GMT 1
Wagner seemed as clueless as his players today , and doubt anybody but him could work out what the match plan was
Most of these players lack the basics a footballer needs at championship lower level ,and just one reason we need a replacement clearout A S A P
This is not what i would describe as a team , and looked today like that they had never played together before
The book stops with the manager ,so what next Mr Wagner
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Dec 22, 2018 20:05:53 GMT 1
Wagner seemed as clueless as his players today , and doubt anybody but him could work out what the match plan was Most of these players lack the basics a footballer needs at championship lower level ,and just one reason we need a replacement clearout A S A P This is not what i would describe as a team , and looked today like that they had never played together beforeThe book stops with the manager That's exactly what I thought. At times it seemed they didn't know what the behavioural properties of a ball were either.
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Post by impact on Dec 22, 2018 20:08:51 GMT 1
There's something on Town's Twitter feed. Wagner bemoaniong the loss of four midfileders but also acknowledging that we were shite in the fist half and passed it backwards too much (we do that every week). Nowt worth linking to. Cheers, not on twitter so hadn't seen it. Either way it is very worrying. To me it feels like Wagner had his 'Lee Clark at Millwall' moment back when we played Spurs at home last season in terms of a change in philosophy - and this season it feels as though that philosophy is getting more and more negative, particularly against the teams around us. Players missing or not, we seem to be scared of the opposition and trying not to lose rather than making them worry about us: a drum we had no qualms beating when it came to Powell, Clark and Robins. Hell, I wager if Hogg had been available Mbenza would not have started today. Sure, we haven't conceded all too many (before today we had conceded fewer than Manchester United) but the attacking impetus is dreadful. Almost everything is slow and laborious between the midfield and defence, when it does get up the pitch for a cross we take ages to get it in giving the opposition defence time to set themselves - and because of that we're having to rely on set pieces and Billing when he fancies smashing one in from range because from open play we couldn't score in a brothel. I wish people would stop linking everything to that Spurs game. We've played nothing like that this year, and in fact we'd used the defensive block a fair few times in the championship before that. We haven't been negative this season. Before the last 2 matches we were being let down by abysmal finishing.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 22, 2018 20:10:09 GMT 1
Time for the management staff to earn their wages now. Big money comes with big pressure. Big blow today, first time I have realistically believed we will definitely be relegated, looks odds on now barring a miracle. Huge lift needed throughout the club for 2019, we can’t just go down like this, we need fire in our belly from somewhere. Problem is I don’t see where from. On to Old Trafford we go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 20:16:44 GMT 1
It says that Wagner didn’t pick them... Looks like Lowe is lbw to be fair Didn't think Germans played cricket
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Post by Jack on Dec 22, 2018 20:20:55 GMT 1
Wagner seemed as clueless as his players today , and doubt anybody but him could work out what the match plan was Most of these players lack the basics a footballer needs at championship lower level ,and just one reason we need a replacement clearout A S A P This is not what i would describe as a team , and looked today like that they had never played together before The book stops with the manager ,so what next Mr Wagner I'm not sure when Hogg picked up his injury but I gather it was quite late (yesterday?). Not only is he himself a big loss, because of what he brings, and further heightened by the absence of Mooy, but that is a real spanner in the works for Dave and the entire team. I think this must be partly to blame for the performance and whilst not excusable at least understandable. They will have worked on things all week in training, shape etc.. to play against Southampton and with Hogg out, in a position which is already threadbare, meant we ended up with Bacuna & Billing in centre midfield on their own (not sure there was any other option) and probably forced a late change of formation with Mbenza coming in. From the first minute you could see there was no cohesion and also left us with virtually no leaders on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 20:22:47 GMT 1
For the 2nd week running I simply don't understand the point of the Durm sub. Perfect opportunity to change formation and get wingers on yet we waste a sub with a defender in a formation which was nowhere near working. Lowe was having a nightmare. Good player Lowe, but when he has one he really has one. I predicted that change before HT
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 22, 2018 20:32:07 GMT 1
For the 2nd week running I simply don't understand the point of the Durm sub. Perfect opportunity to change formation and get wingers on yet we waste a sub with a defender in a formation which was nowhere near working. Lowe was having a nightmare. Good player Lowe, but when he has one he really has one. I predicted that change before HT His performance was summed up by his refusal to use his right foot when Bacuna pinged a lovely ball out to him and he couldn't keep it in play because he went for it with his left like a spanner
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Post by impact on Dec 22, 2018 20:33:05 GMT 1
For the 2nd week running I simply don't understand the point of the Durm sub. Perfect opportunity to change formation and get wingers on yet we waste a sub with a defender in a formation which was nowhere near working. Lowe was having a nightmare. Good player Lowe, but when he has one he really has one. I predicted that change before HT You missed my point. Why not put Kongolo left back and bring a winger on? The formation wasn't working, we were 2-0 down, it was the perfect time to change it. Instead we waited another 20 minutes. I have sympathy for both him and Flo today. When they got the ball they rarely had a teammate within 20 yards of them.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Dec 22, 2018 20:35:54 GMT 1
Best make sure I get my trip up to Meltham tip done early tomorrow, with the amount of soaking mattresses there’s going to be in Huddersfield in the morning...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 20:36:32 GMT 1
Lowe was having a nightmare. Good player Lowe, but when he has one he really has one. I predicted that change before HT You missed my point. Why not put Kongolo left back and bring a winger on? The formation wasn't working, we were 2-0 down, it was the perfect time to change it. Instead we waited another 20 minutes. I have sympathy for both him and Flo today. When they got the ball they rarely had a teammate within 20 yards of them. To be fair he wasn't playing left back, he was more of a left midfield.
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Post by impact on Dec 22, 2018 20:56:08 GMT 1
You missed my point. Why not put Kongolo left back and bring a winger on? The formation wasn't working, we were 2-0 down, it was the perfect time to change it. Instead we waited another 20 minutes. I have sympathy for both him and Flo today. When they got the ball they rarely had a teammate within 20 yards of them. To be fair he wasn't playing left back, he was more of a left midfield. Today? He was lwb in a 5.
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Post by wigster on Dec 22, 2018 20:57:27 GMT 1
Why does Wagner put up with Flo feigning injury. The lad is an embarrassment. We need battlers if we're to stand a chance and this soft lad is faking injury on the side of the pitch while the game goes on with us down to ten men It's the same every game Couldn't agree more - in each of the last four matches, without exaggerating, he's gone down as though poleaxed but "bravely" carried on after treatment. Today he did that TWICE in the first half alone, motionless on the sidelines as Southampton attacked down his side. I don't think there was a supporter in my stand who was surprised when he carried on a minute later, as fit as a fiddle. I can never decide who's most scared of getting stuck in - Flo or Pritchard.
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