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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 15, 2019 20:39:42 GMT 1
Be happy enough with that was mentioned when talking to my mate earlier, Did a cracking job at köln!. Yep. Europa League complicated things. Saw them a few times and really liked watching their football. Last time was in the season they qualified for Europe. Hertha beat them 2-1 but they were massively unlucky, robbed of a perfectly good injury time equaliser. Stabilised dortmund last season post-Bosz. I'd be happy with him too. Yeah still loved by effzeh fans for getting them into Europe, did a cracking job though getting them promoted followed by gradual improvement! As you say europa league complicated things didn’t have the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:39:44 GMT 1
Wasn’t he interim manager at Dortmund last season ? He was. Saw them early on last year against Hertha. Gave youth a chance, especially players like Sancho and Akanji. Sancho was fantastic.
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 15, 2019 20:40:28 GMT 1
I wouldn't be too upset if Moyes came tbh. He's due a bit of luck and if he did get the job, he would be drinking at the last chance saloon, so that should be a motivation. Would he be dynamic enough? Would he need to be? I think this job will be a good chance for someone to enhance/rebuild their reputation. We'll see. I do think his move to Man Utd killed his career. If Dean Hoyle stopped reading his CV at Everton I think he'd be his first choice by a mile. Decent football, togetherness, never overspent, realistic expectations, blooded some great youngsters and picked out some gems in his time there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:42:52 GMT 1
Yep. Europa League complicated things. Saw them a few times and really liked watching their football. Last time was in the season they qualified for Europe. Hertha beat them 2-1 but they were massively unlucky, robbed of a perfectly good injury time equaliser. Stabilised dortmund last season post-Bosz. I'd be happy with him too. Yeah still loved by effzeh fans for getting them into Europe, did a cracking job though getting them promoted followed by gradual improvement! As you say europa league complicated things didn’t have the squad. Cracking side to watch the year they qualified. Was wondering what he was doing the other week. Out of a job, so could be a straightforward appointment. Salary might not be too high either.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 15, 2019 20:44:57 GMT 1
Yeah still loved by effzeh fans for getting them into Europe, did a cracking job though getting them promoted followed by gradual improvement! As you say europa league complicated things didn’t have the squad. Cracking side to watch the year they qualified. Was wondering what he was doing the other week. Out of a job, so could be a straightforward appointment. Salary might not be too high either. would be one that goes almost 'under the radar'. Might be a genious appointment for us.
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 15, 2019 20:45:25 GMT 1
Moyes would be good. He's a very underated manager not sure why. He did wonders with Everton and sir Alex rated him very highly, the best to take over from himself. The job he did at man utd was always a hiding to nothing following in those shoes but no manager has done much better despite having far stronger teams and better players (last year with mourinho the exception) He did poor at Sunderland but it doesn't look like anyone could have saved that ship with such a rotten hull. And he did the job he was brought in to do at West ham, he stabilised them and kept them up without making the team his own. He isn't my first choice or even in my top 3 but I wouldn't complain. You've also got the argument the last 3 clubs were all rush jobs. Given time he could be a very good manager for us. We're heading for the Championship.. I can't believe some people would be disappointed with Moyes!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 20:57:40 GMT 1
Moyes would be good. He's a very underated manager not sure why. He did wonders with Everton and sir Alex rated him very highly, the best to take over from himself. The job he did at man utd was always a hiding to nothing following in those shoes but no manager has done much better despite having far stronger teams and better players (last year with mourinho the exception) He did poor at Sunderland but it doesn't look like anyone could have saved that ship with such a rotten hull. And he did the job he was brought in to do at West ham, he stabilised them and kept them up without making the team his own. He isn't my first choice or even in my top 3 but I wouldn't complain. You've also got the argument the last 3 clubs were all rush jobs. Given time he could be a very good manager for us. We're heading for the Championship.. I can't believe some people would be disappointed with Moyes! Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving
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Post by townatheart on Jan 15, 2019 21:03:31 GMT 1
You've also got the argument the last 3 clubs were all rush jobs. Given time he could be a very good manager for us. We're heading for the Championship.. I can't believe some people would be disappointed with Moyes! Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving That is simple to explain, not everyone thinks as you do, not everyone sees things as you do.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jan 15, 2019 21:04:09 GMT 1
You've also got the argument the last 3 clubs were all rush jobs. Given time he could be a very good manager for us. We're heading for the Championship.. I can't believe some people would be disappointed with Moyes! Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving I think you're wrong about that - we're going to be looking back at this period of time for a very very long time and wishing we could have it back.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 15, 2019 21:06:52 GMT 1
Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving I personally ain’t slitting my wrists over Wagner departing but he definitely was a genius all things considered. Yes the last 10 games have been hard to stomach and Wagner has to take blame for the majority but cast your mind back end of last season when we were all papping our pants before Man City away, we stopped them scoring, the club that got 100 goals, then drew at Chelsea to stay up. That, you miserable git, is a genius.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 21:07:45 GMT 1
Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving I think you're wrong about that - we're going to be looking back at this period of time for a very very long time and wishing we could have it back. Look at what Moyes did at Preston in his first job and compare it to Wagner. It's very similar Moyes had a promotion and then lost in the Championship play offs the following season. We all know how much good fortune is needed to get up through the play offs and he didn't have it. Say what you like but his experience this season would have seen us in a much better position than we are now, of that I'm sure. He wouldn't be my first choice but I would be relatively happy if he did get the job
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 21:10:35 GMT 1
Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving I personally ain’t slitting my wrists over Wagner departing but he definitely was a genius all things considered. Yes the last 10 games have been hard to stomach and Wagner has to take blame for the majority but cast your mind back end of last season when we were all papping our pants before Man City away, we stopped them scoring, the club that got 100 goals, then drew at Chelsea to stay up. That, you miserable git, is a genius. That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 15, 2019 21:14:23 GMT 1
That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us. Why does any sign of Town actually playing well, doing something well or any actual positive thing we do on the pitch always have to be ‘the other team had an off day’,...’we were lucky’...’good fortune for Town’. Its boring mate.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 15, 2019 21:16:05 GMT 1
Arteta would be my first choice but he'll be on mega money at city. I'd be happy with Jokanovic. Moyes fucking hope not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 21:21:21 GMT 1
Jan Siewert EVENS with SkyBet
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 21:26:15 GMT 1
That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us. Why does any sign of Town actually playing well, doing something well or any actual positive thing we do on the pitch always have to be ‘the other team had an off day’,...’we were lucky’...’good fortune for Town’. Its boring mate. If it wasn't good fortune then we would have managed it again since It was a fantastic achievement, I'm not doubting that. But to make out those two games were tactical genius is taking it a bit far. 2 points needed, anyone with a brain was going to park the bus against that quality of opponent and watch from behind their hands hoping for the best I think we'll struggle to find anyone who can motivate and bring players onside like Wagner can, he's clearly a bit special in that regard and the messages from the players today back that up. I do think however that there are plenty out there who can do a better job tactically especially when it comes to changing things mid game as Wagner was absolutely terrible on that score as the stats prove
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 15, 2019 21:37:35 GMT 1
Arteta would be my first choice but he'll be on mega money at city. I'd be happy with Jokanovic. Moyes fucking hope not. Arteta would be a massive gamble. He might be great but has no track record to point at one way or the other. Are we lucky enough to have two massive gamble appointments be a success one after the other?? Dont have a problem with Moyes myself. Hes had ups and downs as almost any manager has whos been doing it a while has. But you don;t get the Man utd job without doing something to impress and hes recently done a very good job at west ham during difficult times for them. It shows how our expectation levels have gone a bit crazy if we can be all snooty about the possibility of appointing a manager like david Moyes IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 21:37:45 GMT 1
Why does any sign of Town actually playing well, doing something well or any actual positive thing we do on the pitch always have to be ‘the other team had an off day’,...’we were lucky’...’good fortune for Town’. Its boring mate. If it wasn't good fortune then we would have managed it again since It was a fantastic achievement, I'm not doubting that. But to make out those two games were tactical genius is taking it a bit far. 2 points needed, anyone with a brain was going to park the bus against that quality of opponent and watch from behind their hands hoping for the best I think we'll struggle to find anyone who can motivate and bring players onside like Wagner can, he's clearly a bit special in that regard and the messages from the players today back that up. I do think however that there are plenty out there who can do a better job tactically especially when it comes to changing things mid game as Wagner was absolutely terrible on that score as the stats prove Whilst 'parking the bus' at Chelsea we actually scored first.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 15, 2019 21:38:55 GMT 1
Why does any sign of Town actually playing well, doing something well or any actual positive thing we do on the pitch always have to be ‘the other team had an off day’,...’we were lucky’...’good fortune for Town’. Its boring mate. If it wasn't good fortune then we would have managed it again since It was a fantastic achievement, I'm not doubting that. But to make out those two games were tactical genius is taking it a bit far. 2 points needed, anyone with a brain was going to park the bus against that quality of opponent and watch from behind their hands hoping for the best I think we'll struggle to find anyone who can motivate and bring players onside like Wagner can, he's clearly a bit special in that regard and the messages from the players today back that up. I do think however that there are plenty out there who can do a better job tactically especially when it comes to changing things mid game as Wagner was absolutely terrible on that score as the stats prove The 2 games I mentioned were an example, not the whole reason. And to be honest kongolo a very small example. You said he isn’t some sort of genius. I think what he did makes him a genius. Why do you have a problem with that? You seem to find a problem or excuse with anyone who has a positive outlook. Anyway, you make some valid points in the post but we will just agree to disagree.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 15, 2019 21:40:15 GMT 1
Would moyes want to manage in the championship? He'd want mega money too.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 15, 2019 21:44:49 GMT 1
Whoever comes in they'll need our backing 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 21:46:23 GMT 1
I personally ain’t slitting my wrists over Wagner departing but he definitely was a genius all things considered. Yes the last 10 games have been hard to stomach and Wagner has to take blame for the majority but cast your mind back end of last season when we were all papping our pants before Man City away, we stopped them scoring, the club that got 100 goals, then drew at Chelsea to stay up. That, you miserable git, is a genius. That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us. At City we did not park the bus - we attacked them and defended well....
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 15, 2019 21:47:40 GMT 1
It’s definately not Moyes
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 15, 2019 21:54:20 GMT 1
That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us. At City we did not park the bus - we attacked them and defended well.... Indeed. Chelsea was backs to the wall stuff but 9/10 we'd lose that game. Man City we probably had the better chances.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 15, 2019 21:54:21 GMT 1
Wagner did a great job but he isn't some kind of genius who can't be bettered. Especially now we are in a position of being able to compete in the championship He just lost 9 games in a row. I can't believe anyone can dismiss someone as Moyes as not being good enough while at the same time still be slitting their wrists over Wagner leaving I personally ain’t slitting my wrists over Wagner departing but he definitely was a genius all things considered. Yes the last 10 games have been hard to stomach and Wagner has to take blame for the majority but cast your mind back end of last season when we were all papping our pants before Man City away, we stopped them scoring, the club that got 100 goals, then drew at Chelsea to stay up. That, you miserable git, is a genius. The last 10 games?! We've only won 5 out of the last 42+, it's been way longer than 10 games that it's been hard to stomach. Everybody's sad about Wagner going but claiming he's a genius because he drew at man city and Chelsea is a bit silly. Roy Hodgson won at city this year, dyche has won at chelsea, drew against city, doubt you'd be claiming those 2 are both a genius. And city had more to play for in those games, city's season was done and nowt to play for when they played us, we had everything to play for. Wagner has many qualities but his tactical ability, substitutions and mentality in games are all very questionable which the stats all back up.
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Post by ritchie on Jan 15, 2019 21:58:37 GMT 1
Wont be any of the moyes, big sam, pulis mob
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2019 21:58:59 GMT 1
But don't sky operate talk sport? No it died on the table. If only......
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 15, 2019 22:00:43 GMT 1
I personally ain’t slitting my wrists over Wagner departing but he definitely was a genius all things considered. Yes the last 10 games have been hard to stomach and Wagner has to take blame for the majority but cast your mind back end of last season when we were all papping our pants before Man City away, we stopped them scoring, the club that got 100 goals, then drew at Chelsea to stay up. That, you miserable git, is a genius. That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us. People often say we were fortunate to play City when we did but they won EVERY other game after they had been confirmed as champions except against us and we had given them a very tough game at our place the previous November.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 22:02:56 GMT 1
That was more good fortune than genius. We parked the bus, rode our luck and came out on the right side of it. A great achievement all the same I will say we were fortunate to play City when we did. Timing can be everything in this division with regards to when you face sides and that was one which went in our favour as their minds were more on getting smashed and celebrating a title win rather than putting everything in to beating us. People often say we were fortunate to play City when we did but they won EVERY other game after they had been confirmed as champions except against us and we had given them a very tough game at our place the previous November. That day was the day they were handed the title They walked out on to the pitch with their kids before the game all laughing and joking. Would they do that before a game they really had to win? If we had played city at any other time of the season we would have lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 22:04:23 GMT 1
I personally ain’t slitting my wrists over Wagner departing but he definitely was a genius all things considered. Yes the last 10 games have been hard to stomach and Wagner has to take blame for the majority but cast your mind back end of last season when we were all papping our pants before Man City away, we stopped them scoring, the club that got 100 goals, then drew at Chelsea to stay up. That, you miserable git, is a genius. The last 10 games?! We've only won 5 out of the last 42+, it's been way longer than 10 games that it's been hard to stomach. Everybody's sad about Wagner going but claiming he's a genius because he drew at man city and Chelsea is a bit silly. Roy Hodgson won at city this year, dyche has won at chelsea, drew against city, doubt you'd be claiming those 2 are both a genius. And city had more to play for in those games, city's season was done and nowt to play for when they played us, we had everything to play for. Wagner has many qualities but his tactical ability, substitutions and mentality in games are all very questionable which the stats all back up. Keep rubbing it in fella.... don't acknowledge that he took over a perennially relegation threatened club in the Championship and with a very low wage bill and a £3 million transfer budget got us into the PL and kept us there in our first season.... don't bother with that nonsense.... just keep waving your senseless negativity about there's a good chap....
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