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Post by ACW on Jan 20, 2019 17:39:10 GMT 1
Not a great game to be honest. City bossed possession in the first half but were unusually poor in the final third, often resorting to hopeful balls over the top. We defended reasonably well, although we often gave them the freedom of the pitch in central midfield. The first goal was unlucky and I thought we were unfortunate to go in 1-0 down. That said, although we battled gamely, without Mooy and Billing we lacked control and quality in midfield, looking to rely on the out and out pace of Diakhaby and Mbenza. Sadly they didn't have the quality on the ball to make the most of the advantages gained by being quick.
City upped their game at the start of the second half and put the game to bed inside 12 minutes of the re-start. The second goal looked offside to me, but I'd like to see it again. Sane took the third very well and although Town improved in possession in the second half we lacked any real quality. We did create some decent situations, but as always the final pass/shot was lacking. Not sure how Mounie didn't score a consolation at the end - was it blocked or did he cock it up?
Considering our recent run, and the fact that was not our strongest team - particularly in midfield - I thought we did OK. We weren't embarrassed and made City look quite ordinary at times. Unfortunately we just don't have the quality to trouble the likes of City on a consistent basis. It's probably not fair to judge us against them.
I thought Diakhaby and Mbenza offered us something different, but they didn't do much to change my opinion of them. Diakhaby just looks poor I'm afraid - an athlete trying to play football - and Mbenza is frustratingly inconsistent. He can run with the ball and beat a man, but his passing can be poor. He does look like he may be an asset in the future though, unlike Diakhaby.
I feel the same about Bacuna - there is promise, but he needs to develop.
All in all, an expected result, but a decent performance. I don't think we learned much from today, but hopefully we can continue to work hard and put in competitive performances between now and the end of the season. We have our professional pride to play for, and we need to plan for next season.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 20, 2019 17:41:06 GMT 1
Stick your CV in Oti... I'm sure it'd get a first scan by the recruiters before being shreddedframed... There are people who see all in the same way there are those who can cobble together a sailing boat from carrots and a biscuit tin. Thoughts are myriad and sentences limited. I would not have let Lee Clark drive my car. Peter Jackson i would have given the reins/keys to Liverpool. Brains/bottle go far. You see, intellect and drive together are invincible. I could manage Town as well as anyone the last 40 years....no doubt in my mind. If you live a thousand lives all is possible....stop over-valuing ex-footballers as managers...most are morons.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 20, 2019 17:43:08 GMT 1
I had the pleasure of listening to TalkSport today, something I’ve never done before. Towards the end of the game one of the commentators stated that he “couldn’t believe that with all the money being thrown about by the Premier League, there was such a gulf between two teams” - not a direct quote, but same content. Words escape me. The sad thing is that, without even having listened to it, I truly believe you. 'Tis the age of the bullshitter, after all! We have one of the finest on here, sorry, the finest...
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 20, 2019 17:44:25 GMT 1
Thought we did OK. City not at their best. We were generally competitive. Excellent displays from Kongolo (though very lucky not to concede a pen) Hogg and Puncheon (who looks every inch a premier league player of the sort we failed to sign in the summer. his poor pass led to a City goal ?im not convinced what did he actually contribute, he's no better or worse than the rest of them
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 20, 2019 17:44:27 GMT 1
Considering how we fared with so many changes to the lineup I thought we weren't too bad. I think had Wagner was still here, that would've been seen as a step in the right direction. Mbenza is improving every week, Bacuna was a lot better than previously as well. Good to see Smith back as well.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 20, 2019 17:46:08 GMT 1
Not a great game to be honest. City bossed possession in the first half but were unusually poor in the final third, often escorting to hopeful balls over the top. We defended reasonably well, although we often gave them the freedom of the pitch in central midfield. The first goal was unlucky and I thought we were unfortunate to go in 1-0 down. That said, although we battled gamely, without Mooy and Billing we lacked control and quality in midfield, looking to rely on the out and out pace of Diakhaby and Mbenza. Sadly they didn't have the quality on the ball to make the most of the advantages gained by being quick. City upped their game at the start of the second half and put the game to bed inside 12 minutes of the re-start. The second goal looked offside to me, but I'd like to see it again. Sane took the third very well and although Town improved in possession in the second half we lacked any real quality. We did create some decent situations, but as always the final pass/shot was lacking. Not sure how Mounie didn't score a consolation at the end - was it blocked or did he cock it up? Considering our recent run, and the fact that was not our strongest team - particularly in midfield - I thought we did OK. We weren't embarrassed and made City look quite ordinary at times. Unfortunately we just don't have the quality to trouble the likes of City on a consistent basis. It's probably not fair to judge us against them. I thought Diakhaby and Mbenza offered us something different, but they didn't do much to change my opinion of them. Diakhaby just looks poor I'm afraid - an athlete trying to play football - and Mbenza is frustratingly inconsistent. He can run with the ball and beat a man, but his passing can be poor. He does look like he may be an asset in the future but though, unlike Diakhaby. I feel like a he same about Bacuna - there is promise, but he needs to develop. All in all, an expected result, but a decent performance. I don't think we learned much from today, but hopefully we can continue to work hard and put in competitive performances between now and the end of the season. We have our professional pride to play for, and we need to plan for next season. Their second was offside, Mounie shanked it... Bacuna seemed largely invisible. But agree, no shame in the result & a difficult game to judge the future by straight after DW...
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 20, 2019 17:58:24 GMT 1
The sad thing is that, without even having listened to it, I truly believe you. 'Tis the age of the bullshitter, after all! We have one of the finest on here, sorry, the finest... A lot of us from Burg Frankenstein are wondering about who should appear as guest speaker in our tribute to David Wagner as the Odenwald Sportsman of the Year 2018. Otium is not currently being considered in the running for this honour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:01:31 GMT 1
Good for Mark Hudson giving the other squad members a chance. That said the squad are generally of a similar standard. Not sure how the club are planning to play out the rest of the season but i think the current players and managemant will find it difficult to change our fortunes.
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Post by marshterrier on Jan 20, 2019 18:02:49 GMT 1
Second goal Sane looked offside by at least a yard and whoever scored looked offside also - I couldn't see a Town defender anywhere near but I may be wrong. That was a very poor decision by the Assistant on the dug out side and there was an even worse one he missed after that - it was so offside but thankfully we got away with that one. The second goal effectively killed the game. Positives, we tried hard and did well for spells but poor passing let us down mainly Bacuna and Mbenza giving the ball away cheaply but they contributed well in other ways. Puncheon was good on the ball and worked hard and looks a PL player. Hogg was Hogg. Pity Mounie missed another sitter as he did well when he came on apart from the obvious. So overall, I'm happy with the reaction and we can take the positives and continue to rebuild. Cheerio bye ta ta.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:12:57 GMT 1
The worrying thing is, I think you actually believe this. I almost feel sorry for you with those levels of delusion. Why would Ross/Lillis/Clark/Powell do a better job than me? Fuck me...already had 15 harder jobs. Its man management and talent spotting. As i write this the chairman of a big European club rocks up recommending a player! "Mounié is shite but he's the best we've got" "It's man management" Bet he'd run through brick walls for you like
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Post by est1908 on Jan 20, 2019 18:21:21 GMT 1
Not a great game to be honest. City bossed possession in the first half but were unusually poor in the final third, often escorting to hopeful balls over the top. We defended reasonably well, although we often gave them the freedom of the pitch in central midfield. The first goal was unlucky and I thought we were unfortunate to go in 1-0 down. That said, although we battled gamely, without Mooy and Billing we lacked control and quality in midfield, looking to rely on the out and out pace of Diakhaby and Mbenza. Sadly they didn't have the quality on the ball to make the most of the advantages gained by being quick. City upped their game at the start of the second half and put the game to bed inside 12 minutes of the re-start. The second goal looked offside to me, but I'd like to see it again. Sane took the third very well and although Town improved in possession in the second half we lacked any real quality. We did create some decent situations, but as always the final pass/shot was lacking. Not sure how Mounie didn't score a consolation at the end - was it blocked or did he cock it up? Considering our recent run, and the fact that was not our strongest team - particularly in midfield - I thought we did OK. We weren't embarrassed and made City look quite ordinary at times. Unfortunately we just don't have the quality to trouble the likes of City on a consistent basis. It's probably not fair to judge us against them. I thought Diakhaby and Mbenza offered us something different, but they didn't do much to change my opinion of them. Diakhaby just looks poor I'm afraid - an athlete trying to play football - and Mbenza is frustratingly inconsistent. He can run with the ball and beat a man, but his passing can be poor. He does look like he may be an asset in the future but though, unlike Diakhaby. I feel like a he same about Bacuna - there is promise, but he needs to develop. All in all, an expected result, but a decent performance. I don't think we learned much from today, but hopefully we can continue to work hard and put in competitive performances between now and the end of the season. We have our professional pride to play for, and we need to plan for next season. Their second was offside, Mounie shanked it... Bacuna seemed largely invisible. But agree, no shame in the result & a difficult game to judge the future by straight after DW... He would have been a late replacement for Billing though wouldn't he? If Mooy, Williams and Sabiri were lso fit, I don't think he'd be involved yet.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 18:22:41 GMT 1
Why would Ross/Lillis/Clark/Powell do a better job than me? Fuck me...already had 15 harder jobs. Its man management and talent spotting. As i write this the chairman of a big European club rocks up recommending a player! Because they actually know about football, outside of the Swedish 7th division. You thought Billing was a league 1 player at best. Some real talent spotting right there. Go back...i was bigging him up on here aged 17. Aged 22 it aint happening.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 18:25:12 GMT 1
Why would Ross/Lillis/Clark/Powell do a better job than me? Fuck me...already had 15 harder jobs. Its man management and talent spotting. As i write this the chairman of a big European club rocks up recommending a player! On SUSSED's Dunning - Kruger link, which is nicely found by the way: "As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability" Bloody spot on. I have never claimed superiority. Having DONE more believe i SEE more. Not ego...more factual. In every group of dogs there is a top dog.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:27:49 GMT 1
On SUSSED's Dunning - Kruger link, which is nicely found by the way: "As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability" Bloody spot on. I have never claimed superiority. Having DONE more believe i SEE more. Not ego...more factual. In every group of dogs there is a top dog. And nothing says managerial top dog more than half a season managing a regional women's team in Sweden 30 years ago...
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 20, 2019 18:28:02 GMT 1
On SUSSED's Dunning - Kruger link, which is nicely found by the way: "As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability" Bloody spot on. I have never claimed superiority. Having DONE more believe i SEE more. Not ego...more factual. In every group of dogs there is a top dog. True and there is also a runt, oh and for what it's worth self praise is no praise. While we are on the subject as you are better than Buxton, Hand , Ross etc etc what about a few at other clubs, say Jose first time at Chelsea, Fergie, Pep ? Any of those up to much ?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 18:32:06 GMT 1
Why would Ross/Lillis/Clark/Powell do a better job than me? Fuck me...already had 15 harder jobs. Its man management and talent spotting. As i write this the chairman of a big European club rocks up recommending a player! "Mounié is shite but he's the best we've got" "It's man management" Bet he'd run through brick walls for you like He is better than De Poitre and Mbenza for sure. Reads the game, has a sidestep, a header but cant run for his knocked knees. About bottom of the Champs...a million quid laiker ...and thats being kind. Got a dozen on here who rated Del Potro...i cant even be bothered laughing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:35:32 GMT 1
"Mounié is shite but he's the best we've got" "It's man management" Bet he'd run through brick walls for you like He is better than De Poitre and Mbenza for sure. Reads the game, has a sidestep, a header but cant run for his knocked knees. About bottom of the Champs...a million quid laiker ...and thats being kind. Got a dozen on here who rated Del Potro...i cant even be bothered laughing. Yeah, still nailing the man management. Want to try again?
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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 18:35:38 GMT 1
Because they actually know about football, outside of the Swedish 7th division. You thought Billing was a league 1 player at best. Some real talent spotting right there. Go back...i was bigging him up on here aged 17. Aged 22 it aint happening. Not that good at spotting talent then, are you?
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Post by alexdire on Jan 20, 2019 18:36:22 GMT 1
Second goal Sane looked offside by at least a yard and whoever scored looked offside also - I couldn't see a Town defender anywhere near but I may be wrong. That was a very poor decision by the Assistant on the dug out side and there was an even worse one he missed after that - it was so offside but thankfully we got away with that one. The second goal effectively killed the game. Positives, we tried hard and did well for spells but poor passing let us down mainly Bacuna and Mbenza giving the ball away cheaply but they contributed well in other ways. Puncheon was good on the ball and worked hard and looks a PL player. Hogg was Hogg. Pity Mounie missed another sitter as he did well when he came on apart from the obvious. So overall, I'm happy with the reaction and we can take the positives and continue to rebuild. Cheerio bye ta ta. Offside this is from the home ghlights on the Times app, which is the sky coverage. Neville said on the commentary he was off ibb.co/4Pb62S6
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 18:39:23 GMT 1
I have never claimed superiority. Having DONE more believe i SEE more. Not ego...more factual. In every group of dogs there is a top dog. And nothing says managerial top dog more than half a season managing a regional women's team in Sweden 30 years ago... You only get one short go at life...who knows what the possibilities are if you do it a thousand times. I never worked in football...i know that the two small industries i worked in i became the number one guy in the UK and i think now globally. OK, small fields but cream and the top. I could manage Town easily. it is a simple model...simple equations. Sod Bielsa...i would not even look at the opposition except for set pieces....why would that help when you are focusing on what you do? Radical wins. Thats why chess matches are all draws now. I would do a dozen bizarre things that would take your breath away. Stuff never even seen in football before.
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Post by drumriggend on Jan 20, 2019 18:40:57 GMT 1
On SUSSED's Dunning - Kruger link, which is nicely found by the way: "As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability" Bloody spot on. I have never claimed superiority. Having DONE more believe i SEE more. Not ego...more factual. In every group of dogs there is a top dog. If you get any further up your own arse.. You will disappear
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 18:42:06 GMT 1
I have never claimed superiority. Having DONE more believe i SEE more. Not ego...more factual. In every group of dogs there is a top dog. True and there is also a runt, oh and for what it's worth self praise is no praise. While we are on the subject as you are better than Buxton, Hand , Ross etc etc what about a few at other clubs, say Jose first time at Chelsea, Fergie, Pep ? Any of those up to much ? Of course some managers are better than others. Application, preparation. Think Fergie got 26 trophies in 27 years. In a statistical computer modelling anyone would get the same at the richest club in the world. I contend a club does not even need a manager.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 18:43:10 GMT 1
Go back...i was bigging him up on here aged 17. Aged 22 it aint happening. Not that good at spotting talent then, are you? Is there a big queue to sign him?
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Post by alexdire on Jan 20, 2019 18:43:31 GMT 1
Just to lighten the mood.
As I was walking past the Gas Club I overheard two blokes discussing the line up. One responded with the following
'Zanka is the worst defender I've seen in the 40 years I've been coming down here'
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Post by El Mel on Jan 20, 2019 18:44:39 GMT 1
Lads on Talksport have just given us a right pasting. Was it really that bad? Bored out of my head today, even managed to break another record walking out on 73 minutes. Championship football can’t come quick enough for me, where hopefully we can start winning games and feel like we actually belong their! I don't think I'll be around to enjoy the games, but the midweek fixtures, local derbies and the chance to compete on a reasonable fair basis with most teams are all factors which appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:44:44 GMT 1
And nothing says managerial top dog more than half a season managing a regional women's team in Sweden 30 years ago... You only get one short go at life...who knows what the possibilities are if you do it a thousand times. I never worked in football...i know that the two small industries i worked in i became the number one guy in the UK and i think now globally.OK, small fields but cream and the top. I could manage Town easily. it is a simple model...simple equations. Sod Bielsa...i would not even look at the opposition except for set pieces....why would that help when you are focusing on what you do? Radical wins. Thats why chess matches are all draws now. I would do a dozen bizarre things that would take your breath away. Stuff never even seen in football before. When Southampton talked about appointing Clive Woodward - the World Cup-winning rugby union coach (and a damn good footballer to boot) - it was universally agreed that this would never be successful. He was just not cut out for football having never worked in it. So a World Cup winning rugby coach couldn't do it in football, but you could because you're right good at killing weeds on grass verges?
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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 18:49:51 GMT 1
Not that good at spotting talent then, are you? Is there a big queue to sign him? You said he was amazing younger apparently and now he's not doing it. So you can't spot talent clearly, by your own admission.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 20, 2019 19:16:37 GMT 1
"Mounié is shite but he's the best we've got" "It's man management" Bet he'd run through brick walls for you like He is better than De Poitre and Mbenza for sure. Reads the game, has a sidestep, a header but cant run for his knocked knees. About bottom of the Champs...a million quid laiker ...and thats being kind. Got a dozen on here who rated Del Potro...i cant even be bothered laughing. Who the hell is ‘Del Potro’?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 19:19:25 GMT 1
And nothing says managerial top dog more than half a season managing a regional women's team in Sweden 30 years ago... You only get one short go at life...who knows what the possibilities are if you do it a thousand times. I never worked in football...i know that the two small industries i worked in i became the number one guy in the UK and i think now globally. OK, small fields but cream and the top. I could manage Town easily. it is a simple model...simple equations. Sod Bielsa...i would not even look at the opposition except for set pieces....why would that help when you are focusing on what you do? Radical wins. Thats why chess matches are all draws now. I would do a dozen bizarre things that would take your breath away. Stuff never even seen in football before. When can you start? You wind me up to the nuts but I love bonkers shit like this!
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jan 20, 2019 19:21:02 GMT 1
He is better than De Poitre and Mbenza for sure. Reads the game, has a sidestep, a header but cant run for his knocked knees. About bottom of the Champs...a million quid laiker ...and thats being kind. Got a dozen on here who rated Del Potro...i cant even be bothered laughing. Who the hell is ‘Del Potro’? Depoitre’s Portuguese alter-ego?
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