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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 20, 2019 19:29:10 GMT 1
How did this thread morph into another Oti show?
It used to be a match thread at one point...
Glad that we gave it a go today, couple of changes forced by injury, but others with the intent so many on here were crying out for. Another day, against lesser opposition we might see a few more points with the same attitude.
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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 19:36:03 GMT 1
Why did Pep bring Foden on today? Surely with the game won it'd be better giving him minutes rather than Delph?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 19:42:06 GMT 1
You only get one short go at life...who knows what the possibilities are if you do it a thousand times. I never worked in football...i know that the two small industries i worked in i became the number one guy in the UK and i think now globally.OK, small fields but cream and the top. I could manage Town easily. it is a simple model...simple equations. Sod Bielsa...i would not even look at the opposition except for set pieces....why would that help when you are focusing on what you do? Radical wins. Thats why chess matches are all draws now. I would do a dozen bizarre things that would take your breath away. Stuff never even seen in football before. When Southampton talked about appointing Clive Woodward - the World Cup-winning rugby union coach (and a damn good footballer to boot) - it was universally agreed that this would never be successful. He was just not cut out for football having never worked in it. So a World Cup winning rugby coach couldn't do it in football, but you could because you're right good at killing weeds on grass verges? I am good at a whole heap of things. Just never got the opportunity....never had the time. I know my failings. Did Shackleton know he could mountaineer over South Georgia with a 50 foot rope and no bedding after 2 years stranded in the ice? I think many top people move to different disciplines and succeed. Woodward is an upper class twit....when was he successful at anything?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 19:50:47 GMT 1
Is there a big queue to sign him? You said he was amazing younger apparently and now he's not doing it. So you can't spot talent clearly, by your own admission. I can spot talent...sometimes that talent fails. Billing is the worst kind...lots of it but just not the application. There was kid the same team as Billing who was rated more highly...Jake Charles....he did not come on and is now non-league. Billing will make a career of it...i am afraid to say he will never be top drawer though. His physicality gives him an edge before he lifts a foot. They say "show me the boy and i will show you the man"....well thats personality not football. An early poster on here 2 years back nailed it when he said "Billing always looks as if he just fell out of a hammock"...a brilliant perspective.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 19:54:02 GMT 1
Why would Ross/Lillis/Clark/Powell do a better job than me? Fuck me...already had 15 harder jobs. Its man management and talent spotting. As i write this the chairman of a big European club rocks up recommending a player! The best tactic to deal with your utter deluded continous BS post after post is for EVERYONE to ALWAYS ignore you. You are not only a BSer, but a complete wind-up merchant who only feeds off the attention that you get. Now f off you utter low life. I’ll be very happy if I now get sin-binned for telling the truth about this troll. I reckon that Otium is not even a Town fan, probably just Leeds scum. Thanks fella....try not to reply. Not sure what a "troll" is...are they fantasy midgets who live under bridges in Nordic regions?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 20, 2019 19:54:57 GMT 1
This thread ain't about your life story Oti.
Give it a rest...
Please...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:00:23 GMT 1
When Southampton talked about appointing Clive Woodward - the World Cup-winning rugby union coach (and a damn good footballer to boot) - it was universally agreed that this would never be successful. He was just not cut out for football having never worked in it. So a World Cup winning rugby coach couldn't do it in football, but you could because you're right good at killing weeds on grass verges? I am good at a whole heap of things. Just never got the opportunity....never had the time. I know my failings. Did Shackleton know he could mountaineer over South Georgia with a 50 foot rope and no bedding after 2 years stranded in the ice? I think many top people move to different disciplines and succeed. Woodward is an upper class twit....when was he successful at anything?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 20:00:53 GMT 1
Not a great game to be honest. City bossed possession in the first half but were unusually poor in the final third, often resorting to hopeful balls over the top. We defended reasonably well, although we often gave them the freedom of the pitch in central midfield. The first goal was unlucky and I thought we were unfortunate to go in 1-0 down. That said, although we battled gamely, without Mooy and Billing we lacked control and quality in midfield, looking to rely on the out and out pace of Diakhaby and Mbenza. Sadly they didn't have the quality on the ball to make the most of the advantages gained by being quick. City upped their game at the start of the second half and put the game to bed inside 12 minutes of the re-start. The second goal looked offside to me, but I'd like to see it again. Sane took the third very well and although Town improved in possession in the second half we lacked any real quality. We did create some decent situations, but as always the final pass/shot was lacking. Not sure how Mounie didn't score a consolation at the end - was it blocked or did he cock it up? Considering our recent run, and the fact that was not our strongest team - particularly in midfield - I thought we did OK. We weren't embarrassed and made City look quite ordinary at times. Unfortunately we just don't have the quality to trouble the likes of City on a consistent basis. It's probably not fair to judge us against them. I thought Diakhaby and Mbenza offered us something different, but they didn't do much to change my opinion of them. Diakhaby just looks poor I'm afraid - an athlete trying to play football - and Mbenza is frustratingly inconsistent. He can run with the ball and beat a man, but his passing can be poor. He does look like he may be an asset in the future but though, unlike Diakhaby. I feel the same about Bacuna - there is promise, but he needs to develop. All in all, an expected result, but a decent performance. I don't think we learned much from today, but hopefully we can continue to work hard and put in competitive performances between now and the end of the season. We have our professional pride to play for, and we need to plan for next season. Andy...i really dont know what to say...really dont. It is the biggest game in the world...600 million viewers...Super Sunday....you mentality is that of the tiny-minded club. Promise...develop...consolation...lacking quality...poor... It was SHIT. We needed a dozen seasoned professional internationals and we are playing reserves from Groningen who would not get in Prestons team. We looked like we were from another planet....that was City in second gear and on another day it would have been 7 or 8. That team is WAY weaker than the promoted one.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 20:06:46 GMT 1
I am good at a whole heap of things. Just never got the opportunity....never had the time. I know my failings. Did Shackleton know he could mountaineer over South Georgia with a 50 foot rope and no bedding after 2 years stranded in the ice? I think many top people move to different disciplines and succeed. Woodward is an upper class twit....when was he successful at anything?That would be Rugby Union then? A game played by only a dozen countries of note...a game where Englands population is bigger than the top 8 other ranked teams (barring France ) COLLECTIVELY. I have never seen a Rugby Union game yet could coach England to win a World Cup. They should win every third one by default anyway. Woodward....could have been done by a woodtable.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 20:09:35 GMT 1
That would be Rugby Union then? A game played by only a dozen countries of note...a game where Englands population is bigger than the top 8 other ranked teams (barring France ) COLLECTIVELY. I have never seen a Rugby Union game yet could coach England to win a World Cup. They should win every third one by default anyway. Woodward....could have been done by a woodtable. Really impressive.....shake of head. England entered the 2003 Rugby World Cup as betting favourites and the number one ranked team in the world. Victories over Georgia, South Africa, Samoa, Uruguay, Wales and France took England to the final, where they faced the hosts and reigning champions Australia. England won 20–17 thanks to a Jonny Wilkinson
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:10:16 GMT 1
That would be Rugby Union then? A game played by only a dozen countries of note...a game where Englands population is bigger than the top 8 other ranked teams (barring France ) COLLECTIVELY. I have never seen a Rugby Union game yet could coach England to win a World Cup. They should win every third one by default anyway. Woodward....could have been done by a woodtable. You're right. Of course, you're right. Impossible to compare to the staunchly contested world of international embankment vegetation management. You go, girl!
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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 20:17:58 GMT 1
You said he was amazing younger apparently and now he's not doing it. So you can't spot talent clearly, by your own admission. I can spot talent...sometimes that talent fails. Billing is the worst kind...lots of it but just not the application. There was kid the same team as Billing who was rated more highly...Jake Charles....he did not come on and is now non-league. Billing will make a career of it...i am afraid to say he will never be top drawer though. His physicality gives him an edge before he lifts a foot. They say "show me the boy and i will show you the man"....well thats personality not football. An early poster on here 2 years back nailed it when he said "Billing always looks as if he just fell out of a hammock"...a brilliant perspective. Ah so now it's the player's fault for not being as good as you thought? You really are a joke.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 20, 2019 20:19:46 GMT 1
Strange game, bit subdued by both teams. Obviously Hudson was going for the 'soak up the pressure and hit them on the break with pace' option but we barely troubled City, one or two bright spots but nothing to get excited about. The only problem with the pace option is that all Mbenza and Diakhaby have in the locker, no end end product or quality. Hogg decent though. Second goal clearly offside but City had a stone wall penalty waved away, swings and roundabouts I guess. Nice to see us go forward a bit more without looking to go backwards or sideways first. Mbenza and Diakhaby have not played enough for any great opinions to be formed on them, apart from those who know best with just a quick glance, why are these people not top 'player finders or directors of football' in the pro game..?? clearly the staff at Town rate these players and are at least 'prepared' to give them enough fucking real gametime to see if they can improve or at least get back to some sort of form that made them targets for clubs other than mighty wagners 'terriers'.. took durm a few games, took over a season and a bit for those in 'charge' at the club to notice how bad Zanka really was the biggest percentage of the time.. we have been playing the same players in the same formation and same approach for so long and so badly its gonna take time for anyone 'coming into' the club or the team to get a grip.. players with some talent sometimes take some bedding in, some coaching and some love, mbenza and diakhaby have had none of those, as yet.. by the way we lost 1-2 to city at home, one attempt on target(own goal) and 2 off target and we soaked up pressure for the huge majority of the game, not the case today, the experts say city were shit but thats always the case when it does not go fully the money's way... no mention on radio re the offside, the 3 dives by sterling and de bruyne, the ref booking bacuna on the 'advice' of de bruyne(he did not see a foul, neither did the lino) just the decision that sterling was not fouled by kongolo, he wasn;t because the ref said he wasnt.. truth is im fucked off with the premier league and all the c-nts that cling to it..city spent a good deal of today reffing the match, their bad attitude will cost them abroad.. we now have 3 'form teams' winning games without playing well and its seemingly ok? once they get well and truly fucked over in Europe the same silly c-nts will be asking themselves why? If they struggle against us and others at the bottom they will get fucked in Europe thats why, they lack the will to give 100% every week, they dive and cheat and try to have 30 minutes off in games and they get fucked over in the end..
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 20:20:08 GMT 1
That would be Rugby Union then? A game played by only a dozen countries of note...a game where Englands population is bigger than the top 8 other ranked teams (barring France ) COLLECTIVELY. I have never seen a Rugby Union game yet could coach England to win a World Cup. They should win every third one by default anyway. Woodward....could have been done by a woodtable. You're right. Of course, you're right. Impossible to compare to the staunchly contested world of international embankment vegetation management. You go, girl! What are you on about Sussies? My background was vegetation control....amongst a myriad other things. Never was defined by my job, only my dreams. Not worked on embankments in 25 years but if you insist. Mind you, i was bloody good at it. Sometimes life is random...if you start out in go-kart racing you might end up in Formula 1. Life tends to be steps rather than leaps. Ever wondered why dumb football managers are dumb ex-footballers instead of vegetation control managers? Ever wondered why your wife turned in to her mother? Sad isn't it....but oh, so predictable.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 20:22:59 GMT 1
I can spot talent...sometimes that talent fails. Billing is the worst kind...lots of it but just not the application. There was kid the same team as Billing who was rated more highly...Jake Charles....he did not come on and is now non-league. Billing will make a career of it...i am afraid to say he will never be top drawer though. His physicality gives him an edge before he lifts a foot. They say "show me the boy and i will show you the man"....well thats personality not football. An early poster on here 2 years back nailed it when he said "Billing always looks as if he just fell out of a hammock"...a brilliant perspective. Ah so now it's the player's fault for not being as good as you thought? You really are a joke. Difference is i never said he would make it...i said he was a raw talent at 17. Some on here been saying 20...30...40...£50 million. Championship at best.
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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 20:24:37 GMT 1
Ah so now it's the player's fault for not being as good as you thought? You really are a joke. Difference is i never said he would make it...i said he was a raw talent at 17. Some on here been saying 20...30...40...£50 million. Championship at best. He's getting better then. Not long ago he was league 1 at best.
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Post by town1907 on Jan 20, 2019 20:27:49 GMT 1
Difference is i never said he would make it...i said he was a raw talent at 17. Some on here been saying 20...30...40...£50 million. Championship at best. He's getting better then. Not long ago he was league 1 at best. Billy would walk this competition! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Biggest_Liar
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Post by yappledapple on Jan 20, 2019 20:33:52 GMT 1
Back to commenting on today’s game against the current champions rather than the digressive path that this thread seems to have headed down:
MH had nothing to lose today and decided to go with the more attacking formation that we’ve been asking for; result was the same but at least there was lots of huff and puff and effort from our players but the difference in class and the availability of unlimited funds demonstrated how far away we are. Substitutions - we bring on Mounie and Pritchard, they replace Sane and Fernandino with two Silvas!
Positives - Hogg excellent, Puncheon industrious and useful, Lossl solid, Mbenza quick but no end product (VLP in disguise), Bacuna promising. And hopefully Flo and Zanka have had a reality check to up their game.
The result is what I expected and we move on to Everton...
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Post by Sabre on Jan 20, 2019 20:41:04 GMT 1
Agree Yapple....that formation without the changes would be interesting.
Well, for me anyway. 🙂
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 20:44:33 GMT 1
Difference is i never said he would make it...i said he was a raw talent at 17. Some on here been saying 20...30...40...£50 million. Championship at best. He's getting better then. Not long ago he was league 1 at best. I think you alluding to the Bury post? The Bury bullshit nonsense that everyone witters on about every time i mention Billing. If you, like all the other halfwits on here, took time to look at what i posted over two years ago then you will see that i put "the likes of Bury". Nothing changed..nothing will. Lower league player at best....like Scannell...Gobern...Rhodes...got them all present and correct. I see on here people who are/were fans of the likes of Alan Lee and De Poitre...what can i say to them? Donkey lovers? I think i am right in saying i only ever claimed two players were good enough for the Prem before we got there...Pilkington and Mooy...also i said VLP.. perhaps. Not a bad call...all 3 have played there. I hated Hudson as a player but he dropped Zanka and Billing today so will do for me. It is all opinions you see....carry on with yours.
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Post by ACW on Jan 20, 2019 20:45:37 GMT 1
Not a great game to be honest. City bossed possession in the first half but were unusually poor in the final third, often resorting to hopeful balls over the top. We defended reasonably well, although we often gave them the freedom of the pitch in central midfield. The first goal was unlucky and I thought we were unfortunate to go in 1-0 down. That said, although we battled gamely, without Mooy and Billing we lacked control and quality in midfield, looking to rely on the out and out pace of Diakhaby and Mbenza. Sadly they didn't have the quality on the ball to make the most of the advantages gained by being quick. City upped their game at the start of the second half and put the game to bed inside 12 minutes of the re-start. The second goal looked offside to me, but I'd like to see it again. Sane took the third very well and although Town improved in possession in the second half we lacked any real quality. We did create some decent situations, but as always the final pass/shot was lacking. Not sure how Mounie didn't score a consolation at the end - was it blocked or did he cock it up? Considering our recent run, and the fact that was not our strongest team - particularly in midfield - I thought we did OK. We weren't embarrassed and made City look quite ordinary at times. Unfortunately we just don't have the quality to trouble the likes of City on a consistent basis. It's probably not fair to judge us against them. I thought Diakhaby and Mbenza offered us something different, but they didn't do much to change my opinion of them. Diakhaby just looks poor I'm afraid - an athlete trying to play football - and Mbenza is frustratingly inconsistent. He can run with the ball and beat a man, but his passing can be poor. He does look like he may be an asset in the future but though, unlike Diakhaby. I feel the same about Bacuna - there is promise, but he needs to develop. All in all, an expected result, but a decent performance. I don't think we learned much from today, but hopefully we can continue to work hard and put in competitive performances between now and the end of the season. We have our professional pride to play for, and we need to plan for next season. Andy...i really dont know what to say...really dont. It is the biggest game in the world...600 million viewers...Super Sunday....you mentality is that of the tiny-minded club. Promise...develop...consolation...lacking quality...poor... It was SHIT. We needed a dozen seasoned professional internationals and we are playing reserves from Groningen who would not get in Prestons team. We looked like we were from another planet....that was City in second gear and on another day it would have been 7 or 8. That team is WAY weaker than the promoted one. You don't know what to say? You have plenty to say. Unfortunately. Anyway, you now know how I feel pretty much every time I have made the mistake of starting to read one of your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:57:35 GMT 1
He's getting better then. Not long ago he was league 1 at best. I think you alluding to the Bury post? The Bury bullshit nonsense that everyone witters on about every time i mention Billing. If you, like all the other halfwits on here, took time to look at what i posted over two years ago then you will see that i put "the likes of Bury". Nothing changed..nothing will. Lower league player at best....like Scannell...Gobern...Rhodes...got them all present and correct. I see on here people who are/were fans of the likes of Alan Lee and De Poitre...what can i say to them? Donkey lovers? I think i am right in saying i only ever claimed two players were good enough for the Prem before we got there...Pilkington and Mooy...also i said VLP.. perhaps. Not a bad call...all 3 have played there. I hated Hudson as a player but he dropped Zanka and Billing today so will do for me. It is all opinions you see....carry on with yours. You might want to reassess your opinion on Hudson. Billing wasn't dropped he is injured. Noted a couple of days ago, he was missing from the Hudson training video. Course it could be we've had a £50 million offer and he's wrapped in cotton wool.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 20, 2019 21:04:26 GMT 1
Hard to judge how good or bad it was against that lot. I liked the intent that we set up with, I'll say that.
What I will say is that it is fucking miserable watching us lose like this, even against a team of petrodollar mercenaries who we have no chance of beating in the first place.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2019 21:08:23 GMT 1
I think you alluding to the Bury post? The Bury bullshit nonsense that everyone witters on about every time i mention Billing. If you, like all the other halfwits on here, took time to look at what i posted over two years ago then you will see that i put "the likes of Bury". Nothing changed..nothing will. Lower league player at best....like Scannell...Gobern...Rhodes...got them all present and correct. I see on here people who are/were fans of the likes of Alan Lee and De Poitre...what can i say to them? Donkey lovers? I think i am right in saying i only ever claimed two players were good enough for the Prem before we got there...Pilkington and Mooy...also i said VLP.. perhaps. Not a bad call...all 3 have played there. I hated Hudson as a player but he dropped Zanka and Billing today so will do for me. It is all opinions you see....carry on with yours. You might want to reassess your opinion on Hudson. Billing wasn't dropped he is injured. Noted a couple of days ago, he was missing from the Hudson training video. Course it could be we've had a £50 million offer and he's wrapped in cotton wool. That would make my week Codds. £50 mill...i would be rubbing everyone i meet hands.
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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 21:10:03 GMT 1
He's getting better then. Not long ago he was league 1 at best. I think you alluding to the Bury post? The Bury bullshit nonsense that everyone witters on about every time i mention Billing. If you, like all the other halfwits on here, took time to look at what i posted over two years ago then you will see that i put "the likes of Bury". Nothing changed..nothing will. Lower league player at best....like Scannell...Gobern...Rhodes...got them all present and correct. I see on here people who are/were fans of the likes of Alan Lee and De Poitre...what can i say to them? Donkey lovers? I think i am right in saying i only ever claimed two players were good enough for the Prem before we got there...Pilkington and Mooy...also i said VLP.. perhaps. Not a bad call...all 3 have played there. I hated Hudson as a player but he dropped Zanka and Billing today so will do for me. It is all opinions you see....carry on with yours. Ah so by the likes of Bury you actually mean a team 2 divisions above them? Good one. You didn't get Rhodes correct at all, he has played Premier League. And if you are right because all 3 of those have played there, then you got about 20 others wrong who have all also played there. No doubt you'll move the goalposts again with that though, as usual.
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Post by workshyfop on Jan 20, 2019 21:14:10 GMT 1
I imagine Mooy and Billing would be worth about £15m apiece and Kongolo £10m if we were lucky. After that, no player has a chance of Prenier League football (Schindler as an outside bet maybe).
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 20, 2019 21:14:41 GMT 1
Hard to judge how good or bad it was against that lot. I liked the intent that we set up with, I'll say that. What I will say is that it is fucking miserable watching us lose like this, even against a team of petrodollar mercenaries who we have no chance of beating in the first place. I thought we were looking for a continuation of styles so to speak, and was pleasantly surprised when i saw the team news and watched us play. It was more of a traditional style of play against a team far superior to us in all departments. There were many plus's for me including MBenza, Kongolo, Tommy Smith, Puncheon, Hogg, even Pritchard when he came on. What was interesting for me was the players Hudson dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 21:18:50 GMT 1
You might want to reassess your opinion on Hudson. Billing wasn't dropped he is injured. Noted a couple of days ago, he was missing from the Hudson training video. Course it could be we've had a £50 million offer and he's wrapped in cotton wool. That would make my week Codds. £50 mill...i would be rubbing everyone i meet hands. Now don't go getting carried away, could be as little as £20 million.
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Post by andyeastleake on Jan 20, 2019 21:20:33 GMT 1
I could manage Town as well as anyone the last 40 years....no doubt in my mind. If you really believe that (and I struggle to believe anyone could be that arrogant / stupid - the talanted people I know are much more humble) then you should be putting the theory to the test elsewhere. You obviously enjoyed managing your womans team in a Swedish lower league (given how much you bang on about it) why don't you try and back up your claims? "No doubt in my mind". I'd suggest that degree of arrogance is stupid and/or dangerous.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 20, 2019 21:25:43 GMT 1
He's getting better then. Not long ago he was league 1 at best. I think you alluding to the Bury post? The Bury bullshit nonsense that everyone witters on about every time i mention Billing. If you, like all the other halfwits on here, took time to look at what i posted over two years ago then you will see that i put "the likes of Bury". Nothing changed..nothing will. Lower league player at best....like Scannell...Gobern...Rhodes...got them all present and correct. I see on here people who are/were fans of the likes of Alan Lee and De Poitre...what can i say to them? Donkey lovers? I think i am right in saying i only ever claimed two players were good enough for the Prem before we got there...Pilkington and Mooy...also i said VLP.. perhaps. Not a bad call...all 3 have played there. I hated Hudson as a player but he dropped Zanka and Billing today so will do for me. It is all opinions you see....carry on with yours. You can fool some of the people...... You claim to deal in facts, well here's some for you, your like Bury quotes appeared after your original claim that by next year Billing would be at Eastleigh in the Conference, this stupid claim was of course stated as a FACT presumably courtesy of your infallible crystal ball, the one that nailed the GB Olympics disaster, a certainty, not an opinion. I took you up on this and even though I probably wager around £20 a year, whereas the Great Otium was at pains to tell everyone, on several occasions, that you've been doing over £4M a year for 20 years, didn't meet my challenge, which from memory was £100, 5 years gambling funds for me. Deny it, belittle it or smart arse it and I will pull the posts and put them back on display to show you for what you are.
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