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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 8, 2019 12:15:37 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Couldn't disagree more. I'd rather have a local owner Luke Dean who had been superb than some dodgy owner with no connection to the club wanting to have a vanity project. Having said that I can't see it happening. We are a medium sized club at best so unlikely to attract foreign money.
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Post by 66738 on Apr 8, 2019 12:26:37 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Couldn't disagree more. I'd rather have a local owner Luke Dean who had been superb than some dodgy owner with no connection to the club wanting to have a vanity project. Having said that I can't see it happening. We are a medium sized club at best so unlikely to attract foreign money. I agree, there is always the chance that a new owner could treat us as a vanity project. A play thing and when they get bored dump us in the shit a bit like Rubery did. The difference with our owner to others is that I feel sure Dean would do his due diligence. Carefully making decisions, ensuring to the best of his ability that the club would be in safe hands. He wouldn’t put his baby into the Lions den. He would not want a situation like we had after our Barry dropped us. Emergency meeting in the Town Hall. Buckets going round the John Smiths for any donations. We all remember it too well and so will Dean. I’m pretty sure we would only be sold if it was right for the Hoyle family, right for the club and right for our fans.
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Post by royrace on Apr 8, 2019 12:45:58 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Really? Burnley have done it unless I'm mistaken? That's the blueprint the club should have used.
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 8, 2019 12:52:59 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Really? Burnley have done it unless I'm mistaken? That's the blueprint the club should have used. Burnley is defo the way to go. If you look back they went up and back a couple of times, building each time. The original gap between the Championship and the PL is so vast that even spunking 100m like Fulham did does not guarantee you anything. While its been disappointing this season, we have to rebuild hopefully from a stronger position than when we came up. That would need us sign significantly better players than we did last summer though. This is where the DOF needs to come in and quickly.
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Post by royrace on Apr 8, 2019 13:03:43 GMT 1
Really? Burnley have done it unless I'm mistaken? That's the blueprint the club should have used. Burnley is defo the way to go. If you look back they went up and back a couple of times, building each time. The original gap between the Championship and the PL is so vast that even spunking 100m like Fulham did does not guarantee you anything. While its been disappointing this season, we have to rebuild hopefully from a stronger position than when we came up. That would need us sign significantly better players than we did last summer though. This is where the DOF needs to come in and quickly. Problem is Town have already failed in the main 2 areas that brought Burnley success; namely keep your very good manager at all costs and purchase players wisely with half an eye on championship football. I think we all know by now Wagner walked because of the transfer policy, had we purchased wisely he'd still be here and if we were still going down (unlikely but possible) we'd have a very good chance of bouncing back like Burnley. As it happens we've got a rookie manager and an unbalanced squad in negative equity full of players who want to leave. We've much more chance of entering L1 than the PL at the end of next season. The ship has already sailed unfortunately.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Apr 8, 2019 13:17:37 GMT 1
Ted Leonsis was the American name mentioned in January when news of a takeover first broke Ted Leonsis is the name I'd heard too. Was over earlier in the year with his basketball franchise and I'd heard was here to sign the paperwork. This could also explain the meagre January transfer window spend. He's a US$ billionaire with several sports franchises that he buys and sticks with. He took over the Washington Capitals ice hockey team in 1999 and last year they won the Stanley Cup for the first time in their history. He's also a philanthropist, centring around helping kids. which is similar to Dean. He's also chairman of Groupon, so maybe our tickets will be on there for a bargain price along with some rattan furniture and mobile phone covers.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 13:32:53 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Couldn't disagree more. I'd rather have a local owner Luke Dean who had been superb than some dodgy owner with no connection to the club wanting to have a vanity project. Having said that I can't see it happening. We are a medium sized club at best so unlikely to attract foreign money. I know what your saying but a Conference sized club attracted foreign money and are now in the PL and have stayed there. What's Sandbanks got that Holmfirth hasn't, apart from the sea that's taking it back 😉
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 13:34:24 GMT 1
Couldn't disagree more. I'd rather have a local owner Luke Dean who had been superb than some dodgy owner with no connection to the club wanting to have a vanity project. Having said that I can't see it happening. We are a medium sized club at best so unlikely to attract foreign money. I agree, there is always the chance that a new owner could treat us as a vanity project. A play thing and when they get bored dump us in the shit a bit like Rubery did. The difference with our owner to others is that I feel sure Dean would do his due diligence. Carefully making decisions, ensuring to the best of his ability that the club would be in safe hands. He wouldn’t put his baby into the Lions den. He would not want a situation like we had after our Barry dropped us. Emergency meeting in the Town Hall. Buckets going round the John Smiths for any donations. We all remember it too well and so will Dean. I’m pretty sure we would only be sold if it was right for the Hoyle family, right for the club and right for our fans. Tbf, Rubery could've finished us if he'd gone after what we owed him
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 13:36:53 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Really? Burnley have done it unless I'm mistaken? That's the blueprint the club should have used. But that's dependent on whether Dean still wants to own the club, his recent illness may have had him thinking about his future and his family
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Post by mids on Apr 8, 2019 14:32:32 GMT 1
Burnley is defo the way to go. If you look back they went up and back a couple of times, building each time. The original gap between the Championship and the PL is so vast that even spunking 100m like Fulham did does not guarantee you anything. While its been disappointing this season, we have to rebuild hopefully from a stronger position than when we came up. That would need us sign significantly better players than we did last summer though. This is where the DOF needs to come in and quickly. Problem is Town have already failed in the main 2 areas that brought Burnley success; namely keep your very good manager at all costs and purchase players wisely with half an eye on championship football. I think we all know by now Wagner walked because of the transfer policy, had we purchased wisely he'd still be here and if we were still going down (unlikely but possible) we'd have a very good chance of bouncing back like Burnley. As it happens we've got a rookie manager and an unbalanced squad in negative equity full of players who want to leave. We've much more chance of entering L1 than the PL at the end of next season. The ship has already sailed unfortunately. 2+2=5 in your world eh ....we know nothing of the sort
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Post by dugnet on Apr 8, 2019 14:56:29 GMT 1
Problem is Town have already failed in the main 2 areas that brought Burnley success; namely keep your very good manager at all costs and purchase players wisely with half an eye on championship football. I think we all know by now Wagner walked because of the transfer policy, had we purchased wisely he'd still be here and if we were still going down (unlikely but possible) we'd have a very good chance of bouncing back like Burnley. As it happens we've got a rookie manager and an unbalanced squad in negative equity full of players who want to leave. We've much more chance of entering L1 than the PL at the end of next season. The ship has already sailed unfortunately. 2+2=5 in your world eh ....we know nothing of the sort To be fair to Roy I don't think that is too much of an unfair suggestion. We lost sight of what we were about and recruited poorly and then were (understandably to be fair ie no one expected we would) buy better players in January. I personally think, with no evidence, that DW probably said somethjing along the lines of "I need better players if we are to progress"....better players cost money. I would also note though if you want to buy potential your recruitment needs to be spot on to have a chance of being successful, and we would all agree that wasn't the case. All in all a bit of a vicious circle. We are down now so the plan needs to be clear and focused. There is an opportunity to "go again" are we suitably organised to take that opportunity? Or is a change in the offing that will provide initial fresh momentum? One thing is for sure I don't think anyone could honestly say they knew what the plan was for next season. Yes I hear the words and I trust the source of those words but I still don't see the plan.
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Post by wigster on Apr 8, 2019 15:05:25 GMT 1
Burnley is defo the way to go. If you look back they went up and back a couple of times, building each time. The original gap between the Championship and the PL is so vast that even spunking 100m like Fulham did does not guarantee you anything. While its been disappointing this season, we have to rebuild hopefully from a stronger position than when we came up. That would need us sign significantly better players than we did last summer though. This is where the DOF needs to come in and quickly. Problem is Town have already failed in the main 2 areas that brought Burnley success; namely keep your very good manager at all costs and purchase players wisely with half an eye on championship football. I think we all know by now Wagner walked because of the transfer policy, had we purchased wisely he'd still be here and if we were still going down (unlikely but possible) we'd have a very good chance of bouncing back like Burnley. As it happens we've got a rookie manager and an unbalanced squad in negative equity full of players who want to leave. We've much more chance of entering L1 than the PL at the end of next season. The ship has already sailed unfortunately. Genuine question Roy - what do "we", or you, know that makes you think Wagner walked because of the transfer policy ?
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Post by conman on Apr 8, 2019 15:20:20 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward. Couldn't disagree more. I'd rather have a local owner Luke Dean who had been superb than some dodgy owner with no connection to the club wanting to have a vanity project. Having said that I can't see it happening. We are a medium sized club at best so unlikely to attract foreign money. Don't know if I've missed something here, but who's Luke Dean?
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 17:25:02 GMT 1
Couldn't disagree more. I'd rather have a local owner Luke Dean who had been superb than some dodgy owner with no connection to the club wanting to have a vanity project. Having said that I can't see it happening. We are a medium sized club at best so unlikely to attract foreign money. Don't know if I've missed something here, but who's Luke Dean? New owner ? 😉
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Post by royrace on Apr 8, 2019 17:26:33 GMT 1
Problem is Town have already failed in the main 2 areas that brought Burnley success; namely keep your very good manager at all costs and purchase players wisely with half an eye on championship football. I think we all know by now Wagner walked because of the transfer policy, had we purchased wisely he'd still be here and if we were still going down (unlikely but possible) we'd have a very good chance of bouncing back like Burnley. As it happens we've got a rookie manager and an unbalanced squad in negative equity full of players who want to leave. We've much more chance of entering L1 than the PL at the end of next season. The ship has already sailed unfortunately. Genuine question Roy - what do "we", or you, know that makes you think Wagner walked because of the transfer policy ? I thought it was pretty obvious based on what we bought pre season and the odd selections from Wagner early doors which basically said " have you bought me, I cant play the way I want with this lot". We then have Mr Invisible accidentally letting slip that they had a disagreement on direction pre January and he said he would be going at the end of the season at that point. We then have the Times interview the other day where summer transfers were mentioned. Seems obvious to me, I don't have time to check and dredge up quotes etc so feel free to shoot me down but based on what I've seen and heard its the obvious conclusion, don't forget Wagner had recently committed to the club. The line about stress was clearly nonsense to allow Wagner and the club to part amicably. I guess he was stressed at having to try and work a miracle with an even worse squad than he had the season before but that wasn't the reason he left (stress). He clearly felt he couldn't take the club forward any more, he always said he'd walk when that happened. I guess if the bargain basement shopping had produced fit for purpose premier league players it would be a different story but as we know it absolutely didn't and it turned out our shopper(s) weren't very good. This is all IMO obviously, I'm sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to tell me Im talking complete and utter crap, they know best, I'm negative, Tom Ince is a league one player, we'll be lucky to keep hold of Diakbnenza etc etc Just my opinion based on what I've seen and read.
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Post by conman on Apr 8, 2019 17:28:29 GMT 1
Don't know if I've missed something here, but who's Luke Dean? New owner ? 😉 Ah right 😂
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Post by blueray4 on Apr 8, 2019 19:05:32 GMT 1
I agree, there is always the chance that a new owner could treat us as a vanity project. A play thing and when they get bored dump us in the shit a bit like Rubery did. The difference with our owner to others is that I feel sure Dean would do his due diligence. Carefully making decisions, ensuring to the best of his ability that the club would be in safe hands. He wouldn’t put his baby into the Lions den. He would not want a situation like we had after our Barry dropped us. Emergency meeting in the Town Hall. Buckets going round the John Smiths for any donations. We all remember it too well and so will Dean. I’m pretty sure we would only be sold if it was right for the Hoyle family, right for the club and right for our fans. Tbf, Rubery could've finished us if he'd gone after what we owed him Don't get me started on Rubery. We owe him nothing.
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Post by El Mel on Apr 8, 2019 19:22:44 GMT 1
Genuine question Roy - what do "we", or you, know that makes you think Wagner walked because of the transfer policy ? I thought it was pretty obvious based on what we bought pre season and the odd selections from Wagner early doors which basically said " have you bought me, I cant play the way I want with this lot". We then have Mr Invisible accidentally letting slip that they had a disagreement on direction pre January and he said he would be going at the end of the season at that point. We then have the Times interview the other day where summer transfers were mentioned. Seems obvious to me, I don't have time to check and dredge up quotes etc so feel free to shoot me down but based on what I've seen and heard its the obvious conclusion, don't forget Wagner had recently committed to the club. The line about stress was clearly nonsense to allow Wagner and the club to part amicably. I guess he was stressed at having to try and work a miracle with an even worse squad than he had the season before but that wasn't the reason he left (stress). He clearly felt he couldn't take the club forward any more, he always said he'd walk when that happened. I guess if the bargain basement shopping had produced fit for purpose premier league players it would be a different story but as we know it absolutely didn't and it turned out our shopper(s) weren't very good. This is all IMO obviously, I'm sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to tell me Im talking complete and utter crap, they know best, I'm negative, Tom Ince is a league one player, we'll be lucky to keep hold of Diakbnenza etc etc Just my opinion based on what I've seen and read. [br Dean Hoyle said Diakhaby was Wagner's number one summer target. Was Dean lying?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 8, 2019 19:27:18 GMT 1
Tbf, Rubery could've finished us if he'd gone after what we owed him Don't get me started on Rubery. We owe him nothing. That's right Bro(s)... I expect he was wondering when we'd become famous...
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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 8, 2019 19:38:12 GMT 1
Tbf, Rubery could've finished us if he'd gone after what we owed him Don't get me started on Rubery. We owe him nothing. Rubery can go and fuck himself with a rusty satellite dish. He was a walking, talking disaster for our club.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 8, 2019 19:38:56 GMT 1
Don't get me started on Rubery. We owe him nothing. Rubery can go and fuck himself with a rusty satellite dish. He was a walking, talking disaster for our club. The fireworks were nice though
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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 8, 2019 19:41:04 GMT 1
Rubery can go and fuck himself with a rusty satellite dish. He was a walking, talking disaster for our club. The fireworks were nice though Yep, so I heard. I was late getting in.
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Post by wigster on Apr 8, 2019 19:57:29 GMT 1
Rubery can go and fuck himself with a rusty satellite dish. He was a walking, talking disaster for our club. The fireworks were nice though Certainly from what I remember Rubery could have left us in a considerably worse financial state than he did - I thought he lost an awful lot of money when he didn't press for what he was owed. His biggest mistake was thinking Steve Bruce could manage. Bruce gave us 2 months of wonderful football, was worked out and left us with a relegation-bound team, on massive wages, and a club that went into administration. It was never revealed exactly how much he and the Man U mates he brought to the club got paid.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 20:16:54 GMT 1
The fireworks were nice though Certainly from what I remember Rubery could have left us in a considerably worse financial state than he did - I thought he lost an awful lot of money when he didn't press for what he was owed. His biggest mistake was thinking Steve Bruce could manage. Bruce gave us 2 months of wonderful football, was worked out and left us with a relegation-bound team, on massive wages, and a club that went into administration. It was never revealed exactly how much he and the Man U mates he brought to the club got paid. Exactly, he waived a lot of money owed to him to allow us to keep going when we were up shit creek. Him employing Ayre and listening to Cherry didn't help either
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Apr 8, 2019 20:22:45 GMT 1
The fireworks were nice though Yep, so I heard. I was late getting in. Bet you were there for 911 though
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 8, 2019 20:24:11 GMT 1
Yep, so I heard. I was late getting in. Bet you were there for 911 though On the plane ? 😱
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Post by softboy on Apr 8, 2019 20:28:55 GMT 1
We do seem to be following the Burnley model - the town centre looks more and more like Burnley every day!
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Post by rastrick32 on Apr 8, 2019 20:45:27 GMT 1
We do seem to be following the Burnley model - the town centre looks more and more like Burnley every day! The Burnley model is probably size 18 with 4 toes. Smells like a mixture of B and H, Stella and mackerel. I would probably fall in love with her at first shite, I mean sight.
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Post by alexdire on Apr 8, 2019 20:51:05 GMT 1
The fireworks were nice though Certainly from what I remember Rubery could have left us in a considerably worse financial state than he did - I thought he lost an awful lot of money when he didn't press for what he was owed. His biggest mistake was thinking Steve Bruce could manage. Bruce gave us 2 months of wonderful football, was worked out and left us with a relegation-bound team, on massive wages, and a club that went into administration. It was never revealed exactly how much he and the Man U mates he brought to the club got paid. If he'd have pressed for what he was owed, he'd still be in the same financial position. As he wouldn't have got a penny extra back. He would have just liquidated the club. Anyway he spent his own bloody money.
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 8, 2019 21:05:10 GMT 1
We do seem to be following the Burnley model - the town centre looks more and more like Burnley every day! The Burnley model is probably size 18 with 4 toes. Smells like a mixture of B and H, Stella and mackerel. I would probably fall in love with her at first shite, I mean sight. Prefer my women with five toes....... on each hand.
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