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Post by hthp on Dec 11, 2022 23:29:14 GMT 1
Things that never happen to Town. Three times Town have gone below this level in their history.Roughly from memory because I can't be arsed looking it up... 1973 Took us till 83 to get back up plus 5 years in the basement. 1986 Took us until 94 2001 Stayed there until 2012 including 1 year in the 4th Rotherham Barnsley etc. we ain't. So on average it takes us 10 years to get back to this level. What a depressing thought to bottom out a totally depressing weekend. Went down to Div 2 in 1972, Div 3 in 1973 then Div 4 in 1975. Promoted from Div 4 in 1980, then Div 3 in 1983. Relegated back to Div 3 in 1988, promoted back to Div 2 (then known as Div 1) in 1995. Relegated to Div 3 (then known as Div 2) in 2001. Relegated to Div 4 (then known as Div 3) in 2003. Promoted back to Div 3 in 2004 and then Div 2 (Championship) in 2012.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 11, 2022 23:36:39 GMT 1
So on average it takes us 10 years to get back to this level. What a depressing thought to bottom out a totally depressing weekend. Went down to Div 2 in 1972, Div 3 in 1973 then Div 4 in 1975. Promoted from Div 4 in 1980, then Div 3 in 1983. Relegated back to Div 3 in 1988, promoted back to Div 2 (then known as Div 1) in 1995. Relegated to Div 3 (then known as Div 2) in 2001. Relegated to Div 4 (then known as Div 3) in 2003. Promoted back to Div 3 in 2004 and then Div 2 (Championship) in 2012. I'd say I was pretty good going from memory not Google.
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Post by hthp on Dec 11, 2022 23:38:36 GMT 1
Went down to Div 2 in 1972, Div 3 in 1973 then Div 4 in 1975. Promoted from Div 4 in 1980, then Div 3 in 1983. Relegated back to Div 3 in 1988, promoted back to Div 2 (then known as Div 1) in 1995. Relegated to Div 3 (then known as Div 2) in 2001. Relegated to Div 4 (then known as Div 3) in 2003. Promoted back to Div 3 in 2004 and then Div 2 (Championship) in 2012. I'd say I was pretty good going from memory not Google. I didn't Google it.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 11, 2022 23:42:57 GMT 1
I'd say I was pretty good going from memory not Google. I didn't Google it. Aye.. Your finger is right on the pulse innit?
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Post by htafcdreams on Dec 11, 2022 23:46:53 GMT 1
A great post Dugnet. I feel in a similar way.
Town will always be a ray of light which is an excellent focus in some tough events in life. It can be an excellent thing to help escape and recharge. For that I’m forever grateful.
Went to the Rotherham away game but I’m struggling to go to away games as we’ve been so dire.
In short, DH totally mismanaged things when significant money was involved and it’s remarkable seeing from what humble beginnings we started under his tenure.
A great point made earlier that the club is a ghost ship, light on but no one driving it forward.
I don’t mind returning to League one but I feel it will be for a very long time. However a new owner / manager is something I’d look forward to and blooding some of these youth players.
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Post by hthp on Dec 11, 2022 23:48:42 GMT 1
Aye.. Your finger is right on the pulse innit? If you say so.
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 11, 2022 23:58:48 GMT 1
A great post Dugnet. I feel in a similar way. Town will always be a ray of light which is an excellent focus in some tough events in life. It can be an excellent thing to help escape and recharge. For that I’m forever grateful. Went to the Rotherham away game but I’m struggling to go to away games as we’ve been so dire. In short, DH totally mismanaged things when significant money was involved and it’s remarkable seeing from what humble beginnings we started under his tenure. A great point made earlier that the club is a ghost ship, light on but no one driving it forward. I don’t mind returning to League one but I feel it will be for a very long time. However a new owner / manager is something I’d look forward to and blooding some of these youth players. UTT Baldwin is driving it forward, meetings with interested parties over the past few weeks, a couple of groups interested, could be movements in the next couple of weeks, this will not be a drawn out process.
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 12, 2022 0:00:27 GMT 1
Wagner was not the number one target, Duff at Barnsley.
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Post by Melc on Dec 12, 2022 0:38:41 GMT 1
Wagner was not the number one target, Duff at Barnsley. Did Bromby mis read the script and got us a dud instead?
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 12, 2022 0:40:39 GMT 1
Wagner was not the number one target, Duff at Barnsley. Did Bromby mis read the script and got us a dud instead? No, we wouldn’t pay the compensation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 0:42:05 GMT 1
Carlos Corberan was known as a hothead at Town and resigned more than once during the course of last season only to change his mind and decide he wanted to stay. Funny how this never gets mentioned? Also funny how it never gets mentioned how he tried to go back on his resignation in July but Hoyle had had enough of him doing it. Funny how you have no evidence. I can type a load of abuse about someone on a forum but it woiluld be meaningless. This is 100% true. After the Fulham away game he was gone but talked around.
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Post by Melc on Dec 12, 2022 0:45:00 GMT 1
A great post Dugnet. I feel in a similar way. Town will always be a ray of light which is an excellent focus in some tough events in life. It can be an excellent thing to help escape and recharge. For that I’m forever grateful. Went to the Rotherham away game but I’m struggling to go to away games as we’ve been so dire. In short, DH totally mismanaged things when significant money was involved and it’s remarkable seeing from what humble beginnings we started under his tenure. A great point made earlier that the club is a ghost ship, light on but no one driving it forward. I don’t mind returning to League one but I feel it will be for a very long time. However a new owner / manager is something I’d look forward to and blooding some of these youth players. UTT Baldwin is driving it forward, meetings with interested parties over the past few weeks, a couple of groups interested, could be movements in the next couple of weeks, this will not be a drawn out process. Seven months down the line and we still have not managed to get the 75% share. It won’t be any different getting the next new owners on board so it is bound to be a drawn out process to get league approval surely.
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Post by terryya on Dec 12, 2022 0:46:04 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad. Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job. We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really. We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall. The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible I don't think promotion was that bad, but surviving for the 2nd season was. If that squad had just missed out on staying up the squad and general atmosphere around the place would have been completely different to what we ended up with 12 months later.
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Post by willo on Dec 12, 2022 1:58:45 GMT 1
Must admit, I've gone since I was a toddler, had a season ticket since I left school in 86 but, at the moment, I can't find the interest or enjoyment to think about renewing next year. Just how I’m feeling. First game was 1977. Season Ticket until I was 17 and started playing Saturday myself. Still watched whenever possible. Then when my kids were born and I’d stopped playing I started going again. My eldest is 21 over Christmas and has lost interest totally. The youngest will be going away to university in September. Can’t see what is going to convince me to renew at the moment. It’s becoming a chore Almost exactly the same circumstances my end. I wouldn’t renew were we to drop but pick and choose my games as and when.
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Post by willo on Dec 12, 2022 2:00:54 GMT 1
A great post Dugnet. I feel in a similar way. Town will always be a ray of light which is an excellent focus in some tough events in life. It can be an excellent thing to help escape and recharge. For that I’m forever grateful. Went to the Rotherham away game but I’m struggling to go to away games as we’ve been so dire. In short, DH totally mismanaged things when significant money was involved and it’s remarkable seeing from what humble beginnings we started under his tenure. A great point made earlier that the club is a ghost ship, light on but no one driving it forward. I don’t mind returning to League one but I feel it will be for a very long time. However a new owner / manager is something I’d look forward to and blooding some of these youth players. UTT Baldwin is driving it forward, meetings with interested parties over the past few weeks, a couple of groups interested, could be movements in the next couple of weeks, this will not be a drawn out process. Don’t know where you get your info from but I hope there’s some truth in this. Things desperately need to change and fast.
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Post by willo on Dec 12, 2022 2:09:19 GMT 1
All of this is down to one poor decision after another since our relegation from the PL. Siewart, Schofield, Fotheringham, all bad appointments. All the money that’s been wasted on some terrible signings. People given important roles at the club when clearly not up to it; Winter, Marsh, all these supposed Directors of Football. My arse! Somebody’s accountable for all this. Very little by way of dissent from the fans up til now but I wouldn’t have thought this would last for much longer.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 12, 2022 9:18:29 GMT 1
Funny how you have no evidence. I can type a load of abuse about someone on a forum but it woiluld be meaningless. This is 100% true. After the Fulham away game he was gone but talked around. The game where we beat the league leaders on their own ground?
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Post by Toxic Ted on Dec 12, 2022 9:44:51 GMT 1
I hope Baldwin does well but it’s a bit like saying, ‘my wife’s left me, she’s taken the kids, my cat’s dead, my dog’s a twat, I’ve swapped my car for a push iron and I can’t afford my mortgage, but it’s ok because I’ve hired a great estate agent.’
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Dec 12, 2022 10:35:10 GMT 1
Must admit, I've gone since I was a toddler, had a season ticket since I left school in 86 but, at the moment, I can't find the interest or enjoyment to think about renewing next year. At this moment in time I'm definitely not renewing
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 12, 2022 10:53:50 GMT 1
I’m not getting into drama or in anyway defending the running of the club since the PL but I think you should all be aware, if you weren’t already , that when PH lost his companies without Hoyles intervention Town would have been in Administration before the end of 2021.He is currently funding the club with no expectation of being repaid. So for all you supporters who think not renewing, even if we get the chance, should no purchaser be willing or able to fund the club ongoing our next derby maybe Oldham, the ongoing funding from Hoyle will certainly not be extended to next season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 11:07:18 GMT 1
I’m not getting into drama or in anyway defending the running of the club since the PL but I think you should all be aware, if you weren’t already , that when PH lost his companies without Hoyles intervention Town would have been in Administration before the end of 2021.He is currently funding the club with no expectation of being repaid. So for all you supporters who think not renewing, even if we get the chance, should no purchaser be willing or able to fund the club ongoing our next derby maybe Oldham, the ongoing funding from Hoyle will certainly not be extended to next season. We basically are in administration? He has asset stripped the club down to its bare bones, O'Brien and Toffolo sales funding this season? Yes relegation will happen, and at this point the blame lies with nobody but the chairman. He bet on us to win the playoff final, lost now is taking his toys home with him, embarrassing for a so called fan.
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Post by rooo on Dec 12, 2022 11:13:20 GMT 1
I’m not getting into drama or in anyway defending the running of the club since the PL but I think you should all be aware, if you weren’t already , that when PH lost his companies without Hoyles intervention Town would have been in Administration before the end of 2021.He is currently funding the club with no expectation of being repaid. So for all you supporters who think not renewing, even if we get the chance, should no purchaser be willing or able to fund the club ongoing our next derby maybe Oldham, the ongoing funding from Hoyle will certainly not be extended to next season. We basically are in administration? He has asset stripped the club down to its bare bones, O'Brien and Toffolo sales funding this season? Yes relegation will happen, and at this point the blame lies with nobody but the chairman. He bet on us to win the playoff final, lost now is taking his toys home with him, embarrassing for a so called fan. So you think putting in £50million of his own money plus putting in £100,000 a week until the end of this season is asset stripping? Some people are clueless on how business works!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 11:15:39 GMT 1
We basically are in administration? He has asset stripped the club down to its bare bones, O'Brien and Toffolo sales funding this season? Yes relegation will happen, and at this point the blame lies with nobody but the chairman. He bet on us to win the playoff final, lost now is taking his toys home with him, embarrassing for a so called fan. So you think putting in £50million of his own money plus putting in £100,000 a week until the end of this season is asset stripping? Some people are clueless on how business works! If you have the ego big enough to buy a football club, have the pockets deep enough to fund it. Everybody loses money on football club's bar those at the very top. If you are thick enough to not see that, you really are struggling to understand how the football industry works. The fact you try and compare it to a normal business is laughable.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 12, 2022 11:19:36 GMT 1
Must admit, I've gone since I was a toddler, had a season ticket since I left school in 86 but, at the moment, I can't find the interest or enjoyment to think about renewing next year. I've been season ticket holder unbroken since 1979 - and a few years before that when I lived locally - but I will NOT be renewing next season. I'm through with all the travelling and the inevitable disappointment. I'll watch from afar (but not on hesgoal.com! )
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Post by rooo on Dec 12, 2022 11:21:53 GMT 1
So you think putting in £50million of his own money plus putting in £100,000 a week until the end of this season is asset stripping? Some people are clueless on how business works! If you have the ego big enough to buy a football club, have the pockets deep enough to fund it. Everybody loses money on football club's bar those at the very top. If you are thick enough to not see that, you really are struggling to understand how the football industry works. The fact you try and compare it to a normal business is laughable. I know a bit more about the football industry and business than you think 😉
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Post by upthetown on Dec 12, 2022 11:22:38 GMT 1
Must admit, I've gone since I was a toddler, had a season ticket since I left school in 86 but, at the moment, I can't find the interest or enjoyment to think about renewing next year. I’ve been going since 1991 and I’m also struggling to find the interest to even think about next season too. Usually buying a season ticket is just automatic and no thought needed. I’ve not enjoyed Town since about Christmas in the second season in the premier league, apart from a few times under Carlos.
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Post by pilks123 on Dec 12, 2022 11:24:43 GMT 1
A great post Dugnet and depressingly an accurate reflection of my own thoughts.
I live over in Ireland and getting to games can be at times quite costly. I've lost all drive to bother attending to come away feeling nothing. Not anger, not hatred, not joy or happiness - just a complete apathy to anything going on at the moment win or lose in relation to HTAFC. I lost my dad at the start of the year which also adds a huge weight as I would have gone to every game I attended with him, and while I may not have seen the "bad times" being relatively young (was a college student when the sheff united playoff final win happened) I've always had some hope and enjoyment in the coming games and seasons and take some comfort in him not seeing his club collapse spectacularly this season.
I feel energy is reciprocated and should be no surprise if the lack of direction/purpose and energy from the club at the minute has a negative impact on the fans. The perfect example is the england team, I've had great enjoyment following them this campaign and while the defeat to france hurt in ways i've come away with some hope and pride for both the team & future based on the effort and performance of a beaten but committed side. When I watch town, I come away with nothing but disappointment and a weaker bank balance.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 12, 2022 11:26:21 GMT 1
I’m not getting into drama or in anyway defending the running of the club since the PL but I think you should all be aware, if you weren’t already , that when PH lost his companies without Hoyles intervention Town would have been in Administration before the end of 2021.He is currently funding the club with no expectation of being repaid. So for all you supporters who think not renewing, even if we get the chance, should no purchaser be willing or able to fund the club ongoing our next derby maybe Oldham, the ongoing funding from Hoyle will certainly not be extended to next season. I take your point but we, the fans, had no say in any of the decisions that led to where we are today. Those decisions gave us some fantastic times too but as a decision maker you have to take responsibility. Fans are not obliged to buy season tickets, in most cases they do out of blind loyalty. I would not blame any fans for losing faith and finding something else to do with their money (I largely think the price is a red herring). DH is definitely doing the right thing by looking to sell the club. Could he have done more to make the club more saleable? It is impossible to answer as I don't know his personal circumstances. What I can say is that for over 80% of his tenure as owner I would have never imagined we would have ended up in this position. It is astounding, to me, that this has been allowed to happen.
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 12, 2022 11:30:31 GMT 1
So you think putting in £50million of his own money plus putting in £100,000 a week until the end of this season is asset stripping? Some people are clueless on how business works! If you have the ego big enough to buy a football club, have the pockets deep enough to fund it. Everybody loses money on football club's bar those at the very top. If you are thick enough to not see that, you really are struggling to understand how the football industry works. The fact you try and compare it to a normal business is laughable. That’s not correct, football is full of fans having the money to own he club they support, Hoyle being one of them, most have no intention of making money, in fact Hoyle has said many times that he did not expect to get the money he was funding the club with back, the problem for many clubs at Towns level is “owners” buying clubs stripping the clubs, especially grounds, with lease back deals and removing the funds or using the funds to massively overspend following the dream. Hoyle leaves the club with an infrastructure which is basically debt free, at least it gives Town the opportunity of selling to prospective owners without legacy debt so there commitment is to finance the club running costs rather than debt repayment, please don’t let these facts get in the way of the vitriol of blaming he current owner .
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 12, 2022 11:33:17 GMT 1
I’m not getting into drama or in anyway defending the running of the club since the PL but I think you should all be aware, if you weren’t already , that when PH lost his companies without Hoyles intervention Town would have been in Administration before the end of 2021.He is currently funding the club with no expectation of being repaid. So for all you supporters who think not renewing, even if we get the chance, should no purchaser be willing or able to fund the club ongoing our next derby maybe Oldham, the ongoing funding from Hoyle will certainly not be extended to next season. So, if the club isn't sold by the end of the season, he'll stop funding it, it'll go under and he'll lose everything he put in then?
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