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Post by dugnet on Dec 11, 2022 17:39:19 GMT 1
I walked out of Wembley in May thoroughly frustrated with what had been a miserable afternoon, on every level. It was quite a contrast to that most wonderful day in 2017. I also had a hope we might be able to go again but, and I can't explain this, I had an underlying foreboding about where we were heading.
In the last six months I have not attended an away game (which is unheard of), I have also walked out of a game with more than 30 minutes to go (PNE home in the League Cup, as documented on here). I have witnessed a club that had last season created a new identity for itself, against the odds it looked as though we were looking back up again. What has happened since Jon Moss blew his final whistle has almost beggared belief.
I look at our squad and I see a lack of quality in key areas. I see potentially good players not quite being good enough yet. I see a rookie coach with a positive outlook but little evidence of the magic touch we need to take us forward and out of trouble.
Off the pitch our owner has decided to draw stumps on his tenure, but with little more than "it's time to go". The club functions but has no energy or purpose, it's like the lights are being kept on but to give the impression someone is at home.
I sit and watch,I discuss, I debate but I know there is absolutely nothing I can do other than turn up for games. I turn up. at home, and get absolutely nothing back in the way of hope that this downward spiral is going to be halted.
In 43 years I have seen many dire games and seasons but I always had hope of better. Right now that hope has been eroded.
Why did I post this? In the naive hope that someone who can directly influence our future positively reads and wants to do something.
The reasons why we are here have been well debated. It's now time for someone to pick us up, kick us up the backside and get us moving forward again.
As ever I hope for the best but my reality sense tells me to expect the worst.
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Post by orinoco on Dec 11, 2022 17:43:30 GMT 1
Nobody can disagree with this post, a perfect summary.
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Post by wiltshireterrier on Dec 11, 2022 17:48:01 GMT 1
Its funny I also had that sense of foreboding. What's happening just feels very Town like. Grasping complete and abject misery from the jaws of victory. Sigh.
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Post by Metch on Dec 11, 2022 17:50:00 GMT 1
All true. How on earth have the club invested so much into Fotheringham? We'll see some decent players leave because they don't respond to him and some average players come in and he'll bring in his buddies as coaches and we will go down.
You realise the people at the top are not that clever and we can do nothing about it.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 11, 2022 17:58:54 GMT 1
Perfect summation.
People lament Jon Russell for not caring and rightly so. But we are where we are now because people at the club don’t care one bit. That’s why we’ve got the utterly clueless manager we have now, that’s why we fucked Corberan around, one of the greatest things to happen to this club. We deserve to be where we are and no-one can be surprised.
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Post by sabailand on Dec 11, 2022 18:05:54 GMT 1
I saw DH in the pub 3-4 weeks ago, he actually asked me if i wanted to buy a club.  |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 11, 2022 18:15:30 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad.
Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job.
We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really.
We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall.
The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible
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Post by Dell12 on Dec 11, 2022 18:25:51 GMT 1
It's a frustrating situation to be in. I wasn't too fussed about losing at Wembley, as I didn't fancy a season of thumpings while trying to finish fourth from bottom. But ironically it's turned out how I hoped it wouldn't, but in the Championship.
Obviously losing Carlos was a blow, but even after he left along with O'Brien and Toffolo, I still felt we had enough to remain competitive in this league. But given what's gone on since with the Scofield appointment and then Dean Hoyle's desire to get out, I think survival is probably slipping beyond us.
I think Mark Fotheringham is probably somewhere between a rock and a hard place. He's still learning the ropes with the smallest budget (?) in the Championship. So I'm not convinced that changing the manager again would do much for our fortunes. I suspect it's going to take a new owner to arrest our decline. Someone who perhaps understands football better than Dean ever did, and is willing to dig deep into their pockets to ensure we can compete financially with other teams towards the bottom of the Championship.
Perhaps the moral of the story is that you have to grasp the opportunity to play in the Premier League when you can?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 18:30:24 GMT 1
All true. How on earth have the club invested so much into Fotheringham? We'll see some decent players leave because they don't respond to him and some average players come in and he'll bring in his buddies as coaches and we will go down. You realise the people at the top are not that clever and we can do nothing about it. Hoyle could have appointed Wagner, but sided with the “back me or sack me” call from Bromby. |
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Post by wigster on Dec 11, 2022 18:40:18 GMT 1
Dugnet - you are probably the poster, above all, whose posts I have always respected as being fair and well-reasoned - and not because I agree with everyhing you post, I don't.
I think your post today is one of the most depressing ones I've read in years because it all seems to be true.
We have sold our best players, replaced them with cheap ones who nearly all seem to be getting worse every week. We have a manager who comes with NO track record and seems to increasingly talk absolute tosh after every match (honestly, did you read his post-match comments yesterday?). It is almost physically painful watching most of our games, the owner who once was seen as a saviour has overseen the throwing away of tens and tens of £millions and now is trying to sell a club that is worth, what, a tiny tiny fraction of what it was a few years ago. I could go on but most of us know the position we're in.
However, there IS one possible reason for slight optimism.
David Baldwin.
His career history suggests he knows what he's doing - I live in Burnley and the Burnley supporters really rated him.
If he's as good as I hope and has been brought in, at supposedly great expense, for the right reason then it may take a while but things might turn around. If, however, Mr Hoyle has brought him in mainly to get back as much of the money that "Deano" has wasted then I daren't think of how low we can sink.
Don't give up Dugnet - it may take a while and the club may have to get worse before it gets better but hopefully Huddersfield Town is big enough to survive the appalling mismanagement we have seen in recent years. If it isn't, then we're all in the shit.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 11, 2022 18:41:05 GMT 1
All true. How on earth have the club invested so much into Fotheringham? We'll see some decent players leave because they don't respond to him and some average players come in and he'll bring in his buddies as coaches and we will go down. You realise the people at the top are not that clever and we can do nothing about it. Hoyle could have appointed Wagner, but sided with the “back me or sack me” call from Bromby. Based on how we have got on since, if there was a “back me or sack me” call from Bromby he took up the wrong option. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Dec 11, 2022 18:50:13 GMT 1
Dugnet - you are probably the poster, above all, whose posts I have always respected as being fair and well-reasoned - and not because I agree with everyhing you post, I don't. I think your post today is one of the most depressing ones I've read in years because it all seems to be true. We have sold our best players, replaced them with cheap ones who nearly all seem to be getting worse every week. We have a manager who comes with NO track record and seems to increasingly talk absolute tosh after every match (honestly, did you read his post-match comments yesterday?). It is almost physically painful watching most of our games, the owner who once was seen as a saviour has overseen the throwing away of tens and tens of £millions and now is trying to sell a club that is worth, what, a tiny tiny fraction of what it was a few years ago. I could go on but most of us know the position we're in. However, there IS one possible reason for slight optimism. David Baldwin. His career history suggests he knows what he's doing - I live in Burnley and the Burnley supporters really rated him. If he's as good as I hope and has been brought in, at supposedly great expense, for the right reason then it may take a while but things might turn around. If, however, Mr Hoyle has brought him in mainly to get back as much of the money that "Deano" has wasted then I daren't think of how low we can sink. Don't give up Dugnet - it may take a while and the club may have to get worse before it gets better but hopefully Huddersfield Town is big enough to survive the appalling mismanagement we have seen in recent years. If it isn't, then we're all in the shit. On your latter point re. Baldwin. He has been brought in as he has a great track record and knows what he’s doing. If only we had used the same criteria when appointing a manager (after seeing off a perfectly good one and already seeing a case study in “the cheap option” going wrong once in a season) |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 11, 2022 18:50:49 GMT 1
Hoyle could have appointed Wagner, but sided with the “back me or sack me” call from Bromby. Based on how we have got on since, if there was a “back me or sack me” call from Bromby he took up the wrong option. That makes a change 🙄 |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 11, 2022 19:09:41 GMT 1
Dugnet - you are probably the poster, above all, whose posts I have always respected as being fair and well-reasoned - and not because I agree with everyhing you post, I don't. I think your post today is one of the most depressing ones I've read in years because it all seems to be true. We have sold our best players, replaced them with cheap ones who nearly all seem to be getting worse every week. We have a manager who comes with NO track record and seems to increasingly talk absolute tosh after every match (honestly, did you read his post-match comments yesterday?). It is almost physically painful watching most of our games, the owner who once was seen as a saviour has overseen the throwing away of tens and tens of £millions and now is trying to sell a club that is worth, what, a tiny tiny fraction of what it was a few years ago. I could go on but most of us know the position we're in. However, there IS one possible reason for slight optimism. David Baldwin. His career history suggests he knows what he's doing - I live in Burnley and the Burnley supporters really rated him. If he's as good as I hope and has been brought in, at supposedly great expense, for the right reason then it may take a while but things might turn around. If, however, Mr Hoyle has brought him in mainly to get back as much of the money that "Deano" has wasted then I daren't think of how low we can sink. Don't give up Dugnet - it may take a while and the club may have to get worse before it gets better but hopefully Huddersfield Town is big enough to survive the appalling mismanagement we have seen in recent years. If it isn't, then we're all in the shit. I don't get everything right, far from it, but I can't remember feeling so utterly despondent at what has been allowed to happen. I do have faith in Mr Baldwin's ability but you can only play the cards you are dealt. We will bounce back but it could be a long return. |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 11, 2022 19:21:51 GMT 1
Perfect summation. People lament Jon Russell for not caring and rightly so. But we are where we are now because people at the club don’t care one bit. That’s why we’ve got the utterly clueless manager we have now, that’s why we fucked Corberan around, one of the greatest things to happen to this club. We deserve to be where we are and no-one can be surprised. Did you really just say Corberan is one of the greatest things to happen to this club? |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 11, 2022 19:25:06 GMT 1
Totally agree with everything the original post says.
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Post by hthp on Dec 11, 2022 19:44:49 GMT 1
Perfect summation. People lament Jon Russell for not caring and rightly so. But we are where we are now because people at the club don’t care one bit. That’s why we’ve got the utterly clueless manager we have now, that’s why we fucked Corberan around, one of the greatest things to happen to this club. We deserve to be where we are and no-one can be surprised. Did you really just say Corberan is one of the greatest things to happen to this club? Laughable. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 11, 2022 19:53:57 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad. Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job. We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really. We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall. The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible Promotion to the Prem was the est thing for the club. Unfortunately we had someone at the helm with inexperience. We should have been a Norwich or Fulham and competing in the championship on our return. As much as he gave us the good times, Hoyle fucked up massively. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 11, 2022 19:55:39 GMT 1
All true. How on earth have the club invested so much into Fotheringham? We'll see some decent players leave because they don't respond to him and some average players come in and he'll bring in his buddies as coaches and we will go down. You realise the people at the top are not that clever and we can do nothing about it. Hoyle could have appointed Wagner, but sided with the “back me or sack me” call from Bromby. He could have but he was never coming back. |
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Post by hthp on Dec 11, 2022 20:03:23 GMT 1
Carlos Corberan was known as a hothead at Town and resigned more than once during the course of last season only to change his mind and decide he wanted to stay. Funny how this never gets mentioned? Also funny how it never gets mentioned how he tried to go back on his resignation in July but Hoyle had had enough of him doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 20:13:36 GMT 1
Carlos Corberan was known as a hothead at Town and resigned more than once during the course of last season only to change his mind and decide he wanted to stay. Funny how this never gets mentioned? Also funny how it never gets mentioned how he tried to go back on his resignation in July but Hoyle had had enough of him doing it. Yep, rang to say he’d made a mistake after Scoffer had been announced….what was he expecting?  |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Dec 11, 2022 20:15:08 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad. Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job. We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really. We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall. The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible Promotion to the Prem was the est thing for the club. Unfortunately we had someone at the helm with inexperience. We should have been a Norwich or Fulham and competing in the championship on our return. As much as he gave us the good times, Hoyle fucked up massively. Was just thinking similar today. Is today's Burnley team any stronger than the team we started the Championship with under Siewart? |
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Post by jimmymcgill on Dec 11, 2022 20:16:08 GMT 1
After 67 years of watching Town I am seriously considering whether to drive 40 miles to watch them next week.
I watched yesterday and thought we might come out fighting but instead allowed United to run the game and coast home.Where was this aggressive approach Fotheringham talks about?
Fed up of no shots on target for most of the game,no goals from strikers for God knows how long!
Sat in the same seat at the Mac since 1994 but will I be there next year,wish I could say yes.
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Post by rockwall on Dec 11, 2022 20:19:07 GMT 1
Promotion to the Prem was the est thing for the club. Unfortunately we had someone at the helm with inexperience. We should have been a Norwich or Fulham and competing in the championship on our return. As much as he gave us the good times, Hoyle fucked up massively. Was just thinking similar today. Is today's Burnley team any stronger than the team we started the Championship with under Siewart? It is weaker than a Burnley team we beat 2-1 12 months ago in the FA Cup. A Burnley team bereft of any sort of confidence. Yet they have turned the corner and are better for it. I keep trying to find ways but I cannot forgive Hoyle for the mistakes he made. |
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Post by harris on Dec 11, 2022 20:31:41 GMT 1
Carlos Corberan was known as a hothead at Town and resigned more than once during the course of last season only to change his mind and decide he wanted to stay. Funny how this never gets mentioned? Also funny how it never gets mentioned how he tried to go back on his resignation in July but Hoyle had had enough of him doing it. His resignations must be getting up towards your number of bans from DATM |
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Post by space hardware on Dec 11, 2022 20:33:14 GMT 1
Carlos Corberan was known as a hothead at Town and resigned more than once during the course of last season only to change his mind and decide he wanted to stay. Funny how this never gets mentioned? Also funny how it never gets mentioned how he tried to go back on his resignation in July but Hoyle had had enough of him doing it. Yep, rang to say he’d made a mistake after Scoffer had been announced….what was he expecting? I might have missed something but has this ever been brought up on here before? |
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Post by aideybabes on Dec 11, 2022 20:36:10 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad. Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job. We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really. We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall. The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible Whilst I agree with most of that, getting promoted to the PL was not the worst thing to happen to the club. We pissed millions and millions away due to shite management on and off the field. Getting to the PL could have stabilised our club for years and years to come but we managed to balls it all up. |
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Post by aideybabes on Dec 11, 2022 20:37:54 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad. Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job. We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really. We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall. The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible Promotion to the Prem was the est thing for the club. Unfortunately we had someone at the helm with inexperience. We should have been a Norwich or Fulham and competing in the championship on our return. As much as he gave us the good times, Hoyle fucked up massively. Well said. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 11, 2022 20:48:08 GMT 1
Great post as usual, dugnet, and you’ve hit the nail right on the head. The lights are on but it seems the club is barely functioning.
I’ve never felt more detached from the club in all my years as a fan (my first game was 30th March 1965) than I do now. The lockdown because of Covid was a minor contributing factor but it’s mainly been the abject displays I’ve had to endure under Corberan (who I never warmed to) and now under Fotheringham (same again) that have led to me feeling the way I do now about the club. The perception of a complete lack of ambition behind the scenes, the lack of entertainment and utterly abject quality of football I’ve witnessed almost constantly (8 goals scored by Town in my last 17 games attended) are all wearing me down as far as Town are concerned. I’ve almost had enough.
As the thread title says, there’s absolutely nothing I can do (anymore).
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 11, 2022 20:52:18 GMT 1
I remember reading folk saying we could do a Barnsley and I thought they were mad. Then Carlos walks, our best players sold and DS gets the job along with the same BS as when we gave sievert the job. We are an utter car crash. Pathetic really. We’re league 1 with 40m debt. Be lucky if we don’t go to the wall. The promotion to the PL might just be the worst thing to ever happen to our club. Incredible Promotion to the Prem was the est thing for the club. Unfortunately we had someone at the helm with inexperience. We should have been a Norwich or Fulham and competing in the championship on our return. As much as he gave us the good times, Hoyle fucked up massively. The key word ‘should’ |
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