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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 4, 2023 9:58:39 GMT 1
Webber just been on SSN, the panel were talking Wagner, he wasn't!!! didn't he leave us after Wagner came in?
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jan 4, 2023 9:59:07 GMT 1
Webber just been on SSN, the panel were talking Wagner, he wasn't!!! So he pulled the same smoke and mirrors trick Bromby did when we were looking. The only difference being Town sold the mirrors and Fotheringhams hot air blew the smoke away.
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 9:59:50 GMT 1
Webber just been on SSN, the panel were talking Wagner, he wasn't!!! didn't he leave us after Wagner came in? No.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 4, 2023 10:06:41 GMT 1
In real terms this doesn't really make any difference to us. I wish DW all the very best.
In perception terms, along with CC starting so well at WBA, it is a sad reflection on what our club could, maybe should, have been. But it's alright because we had a great run and "punched above our weight". You'll have to forgive my sarcasm and bitterness.
I'm hoping that the next few months will see our fortunes change for the better. If they don't and DW does well and Carlos continues to do well then it will be another kick while we are down.
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Post by townrwe on Jan 4, 2023 10:08:33 GMT 1
Can't see wagner joining webber, he called webber a snake that left out of the back door or something to that effect when he left town for Norwich.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Jan 4, 2023 10:10:32 GMT 1
What about all the in-the-know people who said he simply couldn't come back to the UK right now for personal reasons? Wonder if they are laying thousands? Anyone..? To be honest, whilst he'll always be a God to me, I'm not sure how he'll get on. All the innovations he brought to the Championship are now standard practice. Double sessions and a high press is old hat. He'll need something new up his sleeve to show his still got it over these new, innovative coaches, like Corberan and MMF 😉
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:13:13 GMT 1
In real terms this doesn't really make any difference to us. I wish DW all the very best. In perception terms, along with CC starting so we'll at WBA, it is a sad reflection on what our club could, maybe should, have been. But it's alright because we had a great run and "punched above our weight". You'll have to forgive my sarcasm and bitterness. I'm hoping that the next few months will see our fortunes change for the better. If they don't and DW does well and Carlos continues to do well then it will be another kick while we are down. Wagner hasn't done anything in either of his two jobs after he left Town, so what suggests he'll do anything at Norwich (or here for that matter?).
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Jan 4, 2023 10:20:45 GMT 1
In real terms this doesn't really make any difference to us. I wish DW all the very best. In perception terms, along with CC starting so we'll at WBA, it is a sad reflection on what our club could, maybe should, have been. But it's alright because we had a great run and "punched above our weight". You'll have to forgive my sarcasm and bitterness. I'm hoping that the next few months will see our fortunes change for the better. If they don't and DW does well and Carlos continues to do well then it will be another kick while we are down. Wagner hasn't done anything in either of his two jobs after he left Town, so what suggests he'll do anything at Norwich (or here for that matter?). He started at Schalke absolutely brilliantly. But the club was a train wreck behind the scenes. It was a poisoned chalice of a job. He left Young Boys 2nd in the league.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 4, 2023 10:23:59 GMT 1
In real terms this doesn't really make any difference to us. I wish DW all the very best. In perception terms, along with CC starting so we'll at WBA, it is a sad reflection on what our club could, maybe should, have been. But it's alright because we had a great run and "punched above our weight". You'll have to forgive my sarcasm and bitterness. I'm hoping that the next few months will see our fortunes change for the better. If they don't and DW does well and Carlos continues to do well then it will be another kick while we are down. Wagner hasn't done anything in either of his two jobs after he left Town, so what suggests he'll do anything at Norwich (or here for that matter?). I think there was some mitigation in what happened in his last two jobs but I take the point. I did use "if", in making my point. Perception is however something entirely different. Some expected DW to return, and where disappointed when that didn't happen. The memory DW left was of some truly wonderful days, that won't ever change. When you look at our performances on the pitch and more so the apparent issues off the pitch it is only natural people will be frustrated as to where we find ourselves. I have no negativity towards DW or CC, but any relative success they achieve will be categorised in the words of the late Jim Bowen: "Look at what you could have won".
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:26:28 GMT 1
Wagner hasn't done anything in either of his two jobs after he left Town, so what suggests he'll do anything at Norwich (or here for that matter?). He started at Schalke absolutely brilliantly. But the club was a train wreck behind the scenes. It was a poisoned chalice of a job. He left Young Boys 2nd in the league. There's always an excuse isn't there? He took them on an 18-match winless run, the worst record in their history, including an 8-0 defeat. He left Young Boys in 2nd, 15 points off the top after they'd won the title the previous season by 31 points. He was brilliant for a while here, but was never really the same manager after that first Premier League season. Before he left, he'd also led us on an 11-match winless run where he was setting up with seven defenders on the pitch against the likes of Fulham, Cardiff, Bournemouth and Newcastle.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 4, 2023 10:27:04 GMT 1
Can’t wait for the red carpet treatment we will give him and the happy clappers (they’re entitled im not a bigot) after noor which bag the fifth at ours with the attitude look what you could have had yet you’re little hudders know your place be glad you had 5 mins. I hate this. I am grateful don’t get me wrong but I want that ambition at town. We had the perfect opportunity through belief and honest hard work against absolutely everything. It felt like nothing other the feeling of going to Carrow road, st Saudi of Arabia stadia, thrashing premier league Brighton and beating premier league Brentford away. I don’t expect anything just that we could have made them moments much more often and that has me totally deflated at present. Especially seeing the mighty Brentford having beat the bin dippers 3-1 and Brighton smashing Everton away. And no my mattress is dry 🤣. UTFT
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Jan 4, 2023 10:27:52 GMT 1
He started at Schalke absolutely brilliantly. But the club was a train wreck behind the scenes. It was a poisoned chalice of a job. He left Young Boys 2nd in the league. There's always an excuse isn't there? He took them on an 18-match winless run, the worst record in their history, including an 8-0 defeat. He left Young Boys in 2nd, 15 points off the top after they'd won the title the previous season by 31 points. He was brilliant for a while here, but was never really the same manager after that first Premier League season. Before he left, he'd also led us on an 11-match winless run where he was setting up with seven defenders on the pitch against the likes of Fulham, Cardiff, Bournemouth and Newcastle. Yes. If only he was a brilliant as your favourite manager *checks notes* Danny Schofield. [sigh]
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:28:39 GMT 1
Wagner hasn't done anything in either of his two jobs after he left Town, so what suggests he'll do anything at Norwich (or here for that matter?). I think there was some mitigation in what happened in his last two jobs but I take the point. I did use "if", in making my point. Perception is however something entirely different. Some expected DW to return, and where disappointed when that didn't happen. The memory DW left was of some truly wonderful days, that won't ever change. When you look at our performances on the pitch and more so the apparent issues off the pitch it is only natural people will be frustrated as to where we find ourselves. I have no negativity towards DW or CC, but any relative success they achieve will be categorised in the words of the late Jim Bowen: "Look at what you could have won". No negativity here, only facts. There's no guarantee that Wagner, if he'd returned, would have done anything here, especially if his previous two jobs are anything to go by. It's funny seeing people slagging Fotheringham off for literally everything he does (some things quite rightly, other things not so much), yet if Wagner was doing those things, he'd be immune from any criticism whatsoever. Town fans are really hypocritical at times.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 4, 2023 10:28:45 GMT 1
Heir wagner deserves praise from us but not when he’s the oppositions manager and they’re mullering us. I forgot to add this part. I can just see it happening.
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:29:49 GMT 1
There's always an excuse isn't there? He took them on an 18-match winless run, the worst record in their history, including an 8-0 defeat. He left Young Boys in 2nd, 15 points off the top after they'd won the title the previous season by 31 points. He was brilliant for a while here, but was never really the same manager after that first Premier League season. Before he left, he'd also led us on an 11-match winless run where he was setting up with seven defenders on the pitch against the likes of Fulham, Cardiff, Bournemouth and Newcastle. Yes. If only he was a brilliant as your favourite manager *checks notes* Danny Schofield. [sigh] Danny Schofield isn't and never was my favourite manager. Peter Jackson takes that accolade, closely followed by Mr. Wagner. God knows where you've got that nonsense from?
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 4, 2023 10:41:41 GMT 1
TBF if I was in his position I'd pretend my wife wouldn't live in England again rather than take the Town job too.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 4, 2023 10:46:12 GMT 1
Took us up, then kept us up. That's two tricks. And then? Two miracles.. what more do you want ?
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:47:06 GMT 1
Two miracles.. what more do you want ? They weren't miracles, I absolutely hate that narrative.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 4, 2023 10:52:34 GMT 1
Two miracles.. what more do you want ? They weren't miracles, I absolutely hate that narrative. they were. absolute bloody miracles with what Wagner had to work with.
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Post by terriers2000 on Jan 4, 2023 10:53:39 GMT 1
Wagner will see how bad the team is, he will get rid of the deadwood and bring in his own players and with the help from Webber , they’ll sign 5-6 pre contract players but good luck to him 👍🏻
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:55:52 GMT 1
They weren't miracles, I absolutely hate that narrative. they were. absolute bloody miracles with what Wagner had to work with. Rubbish.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 4, 2023 10:56:49 GMT 1
I think there was some mitigation in what happened in his last two jobs but I take the point. I did use "if", in making my point. Perception is however something entirely different. Some expected DW to return, and where disappointed when that didn't happen. The memory DW left was of some truly wonderful days, that won't ever change. When you look at our performances on the pitch and more so the apparent issues off the pitch it is only natural people will be frustrated as to where we find ourselves. I have no negativity towards DW or CC, but any relative success they achieve will be categorised in the words of the late Jim Bowen: "Look at what you could have won". No negativity here, only facts. There's no guarantee that Wagner, if he'd returned, would have done anything here, especially if his previous two jobs are anything to go by. It's funny seeing people slagging Fotheringham off for literally everything he does (some things quite rightly, other things not so much), yet if Wagner was doing those things, he'd be immune from any criticism whatsoever. Town fans are really hypocritical at times. Definitely no guarantees - but if you cast your mind back to DW's arrival.............it was clear from the first 20 mins at Hillsbro he had a plan/a pattern/an identity which the supporters immediately bought into. They might sound like cliches but in 40+ yrs watching town not even Buxton unified the club in the way he did and that is conveniently forgotten by many imho. Fast forward to MF - whilst i think hes been dealt a poor hand i dont see the same structure and pattern developing - i hope i'm wrong but all i see is a greater fitness and defensive organisation but not much else. To be fair, he inherited a lop sided squad and needs time and support from the board to stamp his own authority on it and i hope he gets that. If not then Mr Bromby should exit stage left alongside him immediately. DW may never re-kindle the magic he had with us elsewhere - but that doesnt make him any less of a legend here. Some clubs and times suit managers - and vice versa.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 4, 2023 10:57:41 GMT 1
I'll make the same prediction I did when Corberan went to West Brom - he'll crash and burn and be out of a job by Easter
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 10:59:48 GMT 1
No negativity here, only facts. There's no guarantee that Wagner, if he'd returned, would have done anything here, especially if his previous two jobs are anything to go by. It's funny seeing people slagging Fotheringham off for literally everything he does (some things quite rightly, other things not so much), yet if Wagner was doing those things, he'd be immune from any criticism whatsoever. Town fans are really hypocritical at times. Definitely no guarantees - but if you cast your mind back to DW's arrival.............it was clear from the first 20 mins at Hillsbro he had a plan/a pattern/an identity which the supporters immediately bought into. They might sound like cliches but in 40+ yrs watching town not even Buxton unified the club in the way he did and that is conveniently forgotten by many imho. Fast forward to MF - whilst i think hes been dealt a poor hand i dont see the same structure and pattern developing - i hope i'm wrong but all i see is a greater fitness and defensive organisation but not much else. To be fair, he inherited a lop sided squad and needs time and support from the board to stamp his own authority on it and i hope he gets that. If not then Mr Bromby should exit stage left alongside him immediately. DW may never re-kindle the magic he had with us elsewhere - but that doesnt make him any less of a legend here. Some clubs and times suit managers - and vice versa. Never said he wasn't a legend.
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Post by hthp on Jan 4, 2023 11:02:42 GMT 1
Saying they were miracles suggests that we were some sort of pub team or something.
That 2016-17 side is the best side I've seen down here, including some of the best players in living memory, and some of the football played by Wagner was fantastic. It was no miracle, that success was FULLY deserved. To suggest it was a miracle really devalues that team, those players and the manager, in my opinion.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 4, 2023 11:09:12 GMT 1
Saying they were miracles suggests that we were some sort of pub team or something. That 2016-17 side is the best side I've seen down here, including some of the best players in living memory, and some of the football played by Wagner was fantastic. It was no miracle, that success was FULLY deserved. To suggest it was a miracle really devalues that team, those players and the manager, in my opinion. Rubbish.
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Post by workshyfop on Jan 4, 2023 11:13:18 GMT 1
They weren't miracles, I absolutely hate that narrative. they were. absolute bloody miracles with what Wagner had to work with. It was incredible. What Corberan achieved with even less resources was possibly even more impressive despite losing the final.
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Post by runner76 on Jan 4, 2023 11:31:05 GMT 1
they were. absolute bloody miracles with what Wagner had to work with. It was incredible. What Corberan achieved with even less resources was possibly even more impressive despite losing the final. key difference being the 'losing'
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jan 4, 2023 11:34:17 GMT 1
I'll make the same prediction I did when Corberan went to West Brom - he'll crash and burn and be out of a job by Easter Corberan might not make Easter anyway. West Brom could be fucked by then...
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Post by upthetown on Jan 4, 2023 11:47:32 GMT 1
Gutted about this.
Could end up with a Wagner vs Corberan play off final this season. Whilst we ended up with bloody MF.
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