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Post by mids on Sept 27, 2008 8:40:03 GMT 1
When the club went into administration the fans of Huddersfield Town rallied around and donated through various means to keep the club afloat. This fundraising continued over the years and the Supporters Trust (formerly Survival Trust) found itself the custodian of approximately £55,000.
The Supporters Trust has now fully merged into Huddersfield Town Supporters Association, and consequently that £55,000 is now held under that group.
Some of that money may still be 'promised' to HTFC as part of funding the Storthes Hall development, but this has been a very long & protracted situation.
However, it came to the attention of HTSA that a relative of one of Towns Thrice Championship team may be looking to sell all the memorabilia (including medals, caps and shirts) they own for a figure in the region of £50-60,000.
The collection is due to be put up for sale at Sotheby's in the near future but we feel that it, if possible, especially with it being the club's centenary, that the items should remain in the area and with Huddersfield Town fans, and we are looking into the possibility of trying to purchase them before the auction.
The intention then would be to show them as part of an exhibition (along with the memorabilia of other fans) at the stadium or a local museum. This would need a lot of planning etc but it would certainly be our goal. In the future, especially with the proposed HDOne Development, we would hope that room could be found to permanantly display these items so that they are accessible to all Town fans.
We would like to gauge the views of Town fans on here, many of whom will contributed in one way or another at the time. We want HTSA to be as transparent and democratic, so that we can represent as many fans opinions as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 9:11:54 GMT 1
This seems a great use of the money to me, as I'm fully behind the idea of a Town museum; however I think it must be at the stadium.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 27, 2008 9:17:33 GMT 1
 yes, im all for it. even the egg chasers have got a museum in basement of george hotel, our history is far superior to theirs.
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Post by timclarkehadhands on Sept 27, 2008 9:29:36 GMT 1
our history is far superior to theirs. ;D ;D ;D a museum would be a great idea though..........
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Post by rooo on Sept 27, 2008 10:53:11 GMT 1
That is a lot of money for some memorabilia that would only appeal to a few collectors and (rich) Town fans! Has this valuation been done by an auctioneer or just what the family thinks it is worth. I would be against this at this price. However, if it was for circa £10,000 then I would support it.
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Post by nseventee on Sept 27, 2008 11:29:36 GMT 1
The way I look at it is, if I'd thought the money was going to be spent on memorabilia when I donated, then I wouldn't have donated.
Therefore, it's a bad idea.
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Post by mids on Sept 27, 2008 11:32:21 GMT 1
That is a lot of money for some memorabilia that would only appeal to a few collectors and (rich) Town fans! Has this valuation been done by an auctioneer or just what the family thinks it is worth. I would be against this at this price. However, if it was for circa £10,000 then I would support it. Surely, it's difficult for you to put a price on it though, without knowing the size of the collection and what is included in it? |
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Post by mids on Sept 27, 2008 11:36:23 GMT 1
The way I look at it is, if I'd thought the money was going to be spent on memorabilia when I donated, then I wouldn't have donated. Therefore, it's a bad idea. Fair point, and I'm sure everyone who donated in 2003 did so because they thought it was right to do so at the time.....and for the cause at the time. However, the club 'appears' to be secure at the moment. So, the question is whether to use the money on something that will give something tangible (a kind of investment), to keep it in an account earning a bit of interest, or to spend it on something else (which we are open to suggestions to). Alternatively, we could offer Uncle Ken £50k for the club's shares and give him a £50k profit on what they cost him ;D |
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Post by rooo on Sept 27, 2008 11:40:20 GMT 1
That is a lot of money for some memorabilia that would only appeal to a few collectors and (rich) Town fans! Has this valuation been done by an auctioneer or just what the family thinks it is worth. I would be against this at this price. However, if it was for circa £10,000 then I would support it. Surely, it's difficult for you to put a price on it though, without knowing the size of the collection and what is included in it? So has it been valued professionally or not? You gave the figure of £50k to £60k (or did you mean £50 ;D) , has the question not been asked where the family have got that valuation from. At the end of the day, it is a large amount of money! |
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Post by nseventee on Sept 27, 2008 11:44:19 GMT 1
If HTSA shares some of the same aspirations as the HTST did, then it may be prudent to wait 10 months as at that stage, £50k could very well secure some kind of non-executive position on the board?
I guess you're possibly in a position to even ask now?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 27, 2008 12:08:33 GMT 1
I wouldn't do it. Think its not a good use of the money.
My thoughts are that if a suitable, secure location could be setup to give fans access to see this memorabilia, than id be surprised if the current or future owners of it wouldn't lend it all to the club anyway for a period of time so the fans can see it.
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Post by DannyG on Sept 27, 2008 12:56:18 GMT 1
I agree pretty much with Captain but would add that to pay £60,000 for items for a museum at this stage could actually be detrimental. Afterall, how many people will still be willing to 'donate' items to the cause if they know that others have been paid such substantial fees for theirs?
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Post by Dell12 on Sept 27, 2008 14:32:04 GMT 1
Perhaps a much smaller ammount could be used to rent the items for perhaps fwo years or so? Then maybe if its a success they could be purchaced, although if Town fans haven't seen it after 2 years I doubt they never will
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 27, 2008 18:04:08 GMT 1
I feel that a relative of one of Towns Thrice Championship team who possesses such items ought to want to donate them to the club for their relative's posterity not try and make money out of them. I concur with what DannyG put about it being possibly detrimental to others donating items.
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Post by townatheart on Sept 27, 2008 20:04:47 GMT 1
I feel that a relative of one of Towns Thrice Championship team who possesses such items ought to want to donate them to the club for their relative's posterity not try and make money out of them. I concur with what DannyG put about it being possibly detrimental to others donating items. Right or wrong I am not going to pass judgment, but I would suspect that if the family member involved felt they were in a financial position to do so they would, but believe the person does not feel they have any other option but to sell the items, if not to a Town related group, then it will most definately go for sale at auction. |
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Post by shelbourne on Sept 27, 2008 21:41:05 GMT 1
Sorry but its too expensive for my liking
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Post by hughphamism on Sept 28, 2008 8:40:54 GMT 1
Surely the only person that will be willing to pay lots of money will be a Town fan and they wouldn't object to it being shown at the ground (even if not permanent). The bloke that won most of the expensive stuff at the survival trust auction will be your man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 10:43:55 GMT 1
I think the club should look to secure the items either through buying them or coming to an agreement with the new owner to display them.
I don't think it's a good idea to spend the survival money on these items, i think a lot of people would feel let down. I think it would be better tp spend the money on something more tangible.
As has been suggested above how about aproaching hoyle with the sugestion of investing the money in the club in exhange for a non executive position on the board. The organisation could then hold an election to appoint a representive to sit on the board who would then have to stand for re-election every twelve months.
Maybe Hoyle would dismiss it out of hand but i think it would be good to ask.
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Post by anderlechtterrier on Sept 28, 2008 13:30:20 GMT 1
I feel that a relative of one of Towns Thrice Championship team who possesses such items ought to want to donate them to the club for their relative's posterity not try and make money out of them. Absolute Nonsense. Would you hand it over? Youre the guy who used to ask for FFF tickets and used to support Leeds until it became too expensive. Then in the next breath you talk about someone handing over potentially £60k worth of memorabilia. |
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Post by DuncanShearer on Sept 28, 2008 14:33:03 GMT 1
I can't really comment on the acceptability of this fee because I didnt donate personally. Mi Mam and Dad did though.
I'm not entirely sure about the idea of a museum though - I fully agree that there should be some sort of open display of Towns history but whether that takes the form of a specific museum is another thing entirely.
The idea of a museum to me suggests that it will be self sustaining taking a fee for entry. The figures being quoted for this memorabillia alone would to my mind take a lot of recouping by an entity that would have a very limited customer base. Yes Town fans will go but how many times? A museum would eventually make a loss and could be a burden to the club in the long term although the losses wouldnt be that great I guess.
I think the history is best displayed in the corridors of the stadium, with open days every now and then.
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Post by mids on Sept 28, 2008 14:41:17 GMT 1
The cost paid would be an investment though....presuming they were bought at a realistic current valuation. Hopefully the money (if needed) could be recouped at a later point.
The museum is a separate entity.....and one that would, ideally, be a club initiative where various parties could ahve their own stuff displayed.
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Post by bro600 on Sept 28, 2008 14:59:44 GMT 1
IMO and i know you've already mentioned it to The club so it as been aired it's not necessarily a museum that would be the ideal.
A supporters club is the ultimate aim and the presntation of this memorabilia and many others would be on occasions in such a place.
As the memorabilia is part of the history of Huddersfield it could be housed in a secure museum on a more regular basis.
What we've got to remember is that Roger Armytage has promised that he can find a use for 'all' the money and promised it would be spent on Storthes Hall in it's entirety.
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Post by desertwellydweller on Sept 28, 2008 16:24:25 GMT 1
1/ What memorabilia is involved?
2/ has it been independantly valued?
3/ Who approached who? I can just see somebody thinking "oooh we've got all that old footy stuff lying about in the loft. That lot at HTSA have got 55 grand burning a hole in their pockets, why not offer it to them for between 50 and 60 grand.
Sorry, but the cycnic in me sets alarm bells ringing.
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Post by marshian on Sept 28, 2008 17:23:04 GMT 1
I contributed & wouldn't want it spending on memorabilia. The club itself ought to buy it.
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Post by bro600 on Sept 28, 2008 18:29:55 GMT 1
1/ What memorabilia is involved? 2/ has it been independantly valued? 3/ Who approached who? I can just see somebody thinking "oooh we've got all that old footy stuff lying about in the loft. That lot at HTSA have got 55 grand burning a hole in their pockets, why not offer it to them for between 50 and 60 grand. Sorry, but the cycnic in me sets alarm bells ringing. This thread was mainly to garnish supporters opinions and the entire list as not yet been acquired. From the main items listed there are: Championship winners medals 23-24, 24-25, 25-26 F.A cup winners medal, 1922 F.A CUP runners-up medal 1930 Charity shield winners medal 1922 Gold watch commemorating F.A Cup win 1922 International caps .. They were valued in 2000 and if they were to be purchased would have people in the know look again. The memorabilia collection was talked about initially about 4 months ago, just a discreet discussion about it between a few at the end of a meeting. Not with a view to obtaining at that point. It was in a discussion between Mids and the club that a supporters bar, Museum type space was muted and Huddersfield Town memorabilia donning the walls was part of the idea. That's when the memorabilia cropped up again. Questions were asked and we were told they would be available through auction in the not too distant future. HTSA contacted the owner to see what the situation was and were given the chance to view the items and see what they thought before they went up for auction. The proposal was to ask supporters opinion. |
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Post by jimmynich on Sept 28, 2008 18:38:06 GMT 1
I contributed a modest amount of £ at the time and support the idea 100%---to me the collection is priceless and MUST be kept accessible for fans who love our great club--I would be surprised if £55-60k would be enoug and we cant take chances/make assumptions that a Town fan would necessarily buy the collection.Museum---cracking idea too
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Post by mids on Sept 28, 2008 20:39:34 GMT 1
I contributed & wouldn't want it spending on memorabilia. The club itself ought to buy it. Maybe the club will? Maybe the club AND the fans can? |
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Post by townatheart on Sept 29, 2008 8:33:35 GMT 1
I contributed & wouldn't want it spending on memorabilia. The club itself ought to buy it. Maybe the club will? Maybe the club AND the fans can? I personally have a few reservations, however, was made to feel more comfortable with the idea when in a prior post Mids made note of the fact that this could in fact be looked at as an investment of the funds. The money currently sits in a low interest bearing account, and this type of football memobilila does have a tendency to increase in value over time, so in that sense the funds are simply still being held "in Trust" should the need arise, as they could always be sold on if a situation ever did develop that required the financial support of these supporters trust monies. However, I feel fairly strongly that the Club should be participating in some format, and imo ideally that would be in the housing of the collection, at the Stadium (which would give central access to those most likely looking to view the collection). Providing a decent display unit, space, and ready fan access, should be something that the club could do (although granted it wont be as easy as it sounds), and would make this a genuine joint venture between club AND fans. |
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Post by martin on Sept 29, 2008 18:31:15 GMT 1
Mids, what are the views of Dean Hoyle on (a) supporters contributions towards Storthes Hall, and (b) the memorabilia?
So much of what is happening (and will happen) at Town depends upon Dean; including plans which (Dean said) he prefers not to reveal at the present time.
If the £50,000 can still attract a charitable contribution (which Dean's investment will not) there is only one place our money should go!
If the owners of the stadium won't display the memorabilia in a place accessible to supporters (and ownership is not linked with Huddersfield Town) what has been gained?
Also, please bear in mind that the annual cost of insuring the memorabilia is likely to exceed the total amount paid by members to the supporters association!
So, for me, I'd rather see the £600 I paid for (life) family membership of the Supporters Trust make a positive contribution to the future of Huddersfield Town ... and Dean Hoyle / Ken Davy buy the memorabilia (for permanent ownership by Town) and display it at the stadium.
Do others support these views?
Mids, good luck when you approach Dean and Ken.
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Post by bro600 on Sept 29, 2008 18:45:16 GMT 1
If the memorabilia is bought by Ken/Dean or any future chairman it only becomes part of the Company that runs the club which is not HTAFC as we know it.
The Stadium shares are a prime example of what can happen to assets/concerns that duly belonged to HTAFC under the present said company.
What is the one place the money should go you hint at?
It is a hard decision what to do with the money but the memorabilia is seen as an investment with the added bonus of retaining history.
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yes, im all for it. even the egg chasers have got a museum in basement of george hotel, our history is far superior to theirs.
