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Post by terrier19 on Oct 18, 2008 18:15:11 GMT 1
the stewards will definitely need to be on our side so to speak and alot more leniant than they are now, if they steward the Yeovil match like they did today then it will kill all the atmosphere created and also probably lead to people being kicked out,
i know the York fans had trouble when they first created their ultra group getting the club & stewards onside, they were even kept behind at request of the club board so they could talk to them about their motives etc,
most ultra groups tend to prefer away matches where they haven'y got reputations and being watched and picked out by home stewards who have a problem with them,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 19:29:13 GMT 1
I'm definately interested. Agree with everyone else that stewards could/would be a problem. The group would have to make sure that everybody knew exactly what it was, so that it did not get the reputation of a hooligan firm.
Just an idea but for anyone interested in this group...PLEASE COME AND SIT IN THE PINK LINK STAND ON THE 28TH SO WE CAN GET A GOOD ATMOSPHERE GOING!
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Post by Sheriff Of Marsden on Oct 18, 2008 20:16:04 GMT 1
I don't really like the Singing section or the idea of an area where fans are encouraged to 'sing up'.
I just think that it excludes other parts of the ground and will just keep them in silence. For example this season it's nice to hear some noise coming from the south side of the Riverside and not just the Kilner Bank 'singing section'
If anything you need to get a group of maybe 50 going in a different part of the ground. Sometimes I move to the other side of the Kilner at half time if Town are shooting that way, and if you sing or shout you get people starring at you. With no noise being made in the Riverside and not a whisper from the Panasonic Stand you get those cringeworthy moments where it's asif your at a reserve game, as you hear every word the players and even Stan Ternent are saying.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 20:19:05 GMT 1
Oh and as a name I think having Ultra's in it could possibly lead to it being thought of as a hooligan firm and I dont particularly like the word lol my choice would be Cowshed Fanatics.
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Post by pozza on Oct 18, 2008 20:19:15 GMT 1
Well if folk are wanting to sing & they are sitting in an area where other people look at them funny if they do sing, surely getting all these people together is the best course of action........
As for the stewarding issues, hopefully when the meeting with Sean Jarvis takes place these concerns can be raised, and any problems ironed out before they even arrise.
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Post by pozza on Oct 18, 2008 20:22:19 GMT 1
Oh and as a name I think having Ultra's in it could possibly lead to it being thought of as a hooligan firm and I dont particularly like the word lol my choice would be Cowshed Fanatics. Persoanly I think the same. If you say Ultra to a football fan they will automatically think of the Italian Hooligan Firms, something which potentially cause problems before we even get up & running. I like the Cowshed theme though, possibly something like Cowshed Boys might be best suited. Just as a side thought, for the logo I thought about using Castle Hill from the Town badge, so any names that incorpare that theme would be good
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 20:26:14 GMT 1
Oh and as a name I think having Ultra's in it could possibly lead to it being thought of as a hooligan firm and I dont particularly like the word lol my choice would be Cowshed Fanatics. Persoanly I think the same. If you say Ultra to a football fan they will automatically think of the Italian Hooligan Firms, something which potentially cause problems before we even get up & running. I like the Cowshed theme though, possibly something like Cowshed Boys might be best suited. Just as a side thought, for the logo I thought about using Castle Hill from the Town badge, so any names that incorpare that theme would be good The italian hooligan bit is exactly what I wanted to say but couldnt word it properly haha ;D but yeh, ultra is a bad word in football IMO.
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Post by pozza on Oct 18, 2008 23:02:20 GMT 1
Just been browsing the internet tonight as i'm too ill to go out on't lash and found some decent pictures of what i'm getting at just in case people are unsure of what I mean. Rangers Celtic Motherwell Barrow Accrington Aldershot Colchester Palace Obviously some of these groups are quite big (especially Celtic & Rangers) and ae quite big. Pics are just to illustrate the colour and look you can create with only a few folk getting involved.
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Post by spanishterrier on Oct 19, 2008 12:24:40 GMT 1
As soon as you have the word ultras involved thr job is knackerd no support from the club and you will become a target for any other fans IMO
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Post by pozza on Oct 19, 2008 13:25:01 GMT 1
This is one of the reasons I personally wouldn't want the word Ultra' in the name: img385.imageshack.us/img385/5469/dscf1133oo1.jpgArticle in one the papers after Yorks Ultras set off a smoke bomb at thier game against Crawley. My mate is in the picture, and they way he described what happened is far, far different from what was actually printed. As normal with the press though, they make a meal of everything, and now every group with the word Ultra in it will have been tared with the same brush. Something that I wouldn't want to happen to out group. I personally think that THE BLUE ARMY is a good enough name to use........
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Post by spanishterrier on Oct 19, 2008 15:43:26 GMT 1
Being an old timer i think cow shed loyals would do the trick
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Post by ctfcultra on Oct 19, 2008 15:44:47 GMT 1
Good Luck with it guys. I started the group down at Crawley Town (Crawley Devils) we have been going for a year and a half. Its a lot of hard work, But the atmosphere as improved impressively. We put on displays when we can (Our stewards are against us and real buzz Kills) but we battle on its about supporting the team no matter what. Check our website - www.crawley-devils.co.nrOne thing our group now does is sticks to our motto - For 90 Minutes NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Ross.
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Post by jorvik on Oct 19, 2008 16:56:19 GMT 1
This is one of the reasons I personally wouldn't want the word Ultra' in the name: img385.imageshack.us/img385/5469/dscf1133oo1.jpgArticle in one the papers after Yorks Ultras set off a smoke bomb at thier game against Crawley. My mate is in the picture, and they way he described what happened is far, far different from what was actually printed. As normal with the press though, they make a meal of everything, and now every group with the word Ultra in it will have been tared with the same brush. Something that I wouldn't want to happen to out group. I personally think that THE BLUE ARMY is a good enough name to use........ Its more about the 'incidents' at Wokign last week, a video of which can be found at: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=njmZXEJmHscAll the best with the proposed group chaps
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Post by Berry. on Oct 19, 2008 17:59:10 GMT 1
i would be in but only being twelve.... lol maybe when im older but good idea....
P.S which 1 is the cow shed???/
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Post by philex on Oct 19, 2008 18:02:06 GMT 1
i would be in but only being twelve.... lol maybe when im older but good idea.... P.S which 1 is the cow shed???/ It's from the old ground
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Post by Berry. on Oct 19, 2008 18:18:01 GMT 1
Gathered but which stand is it now? antsihc? riverside? panasonic? or away stand?
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Post by pozza on Oct 19, 2008 18:44:31 GMT 1
Gathered but which stand is it now? antsihc? riverside? panasonic? or away stand? Its now Staples ;D Old ground was knocked down before we bulit The Galpharm. It would be the equvilant to what is now The Pink Link, but it was an area for the home fans.
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Post by terrier19 on Oct 19, 2008 20:32:40 GMT 1
how about doing a ticka tape/ ripped up bits of paper massive style away at peterborough, the york fans at altrincham had a bin bag full of ripped up paper, distributed it amongst fans and threw it when teams came out how about something like this as it would get even the non singing fans into the atmosphere from the start and more likely to join in?
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Post by The Real True Blue on Oct 19, 2008 21:17:55 GMT 1
Sounds good to me. I'm well up for it.
Keep me informed
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Post by pozza on Oct 19, 2008 21:25:10 GMT 1
Should hopefully be more information available tomorrow, just waiting on a couple of folk getting back to me, so watch this space
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Post by Sheps on Oct 20, 2008 11:09:56 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2008 12:12:00 GMT 1
Perhaps we can borrow Belfast Terriers massive flag for the south stand at Yoevil if he's coming across for the game?
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 20, 2008 12:23:11 GMT 1
Im up for this and will be in the South Stand for Yeovil. Just dont get what we can do for normal home games this season as we'll be all over the ground, i'll be stuck up in FM upper for example.
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Post by pozza on Oct 20, 2008 14:00:54 GMT 1
Im up for this and will be in the South Stand for Yeovil. Just dont get what we can do for normal home games this season as we'll be all over the ground, i'll be stuck up in FM upper for example. Thats the main problem for this season. It will have to be mainly away games we try and organise things for this season, and if the group takes off then we can try organise for next season everyone to be sat together. I've set up a forum last night, and in the process of setting up a website (with help from a couple of other on here) I'll be posting up details of both hopefully tonight when i've checked everything has been set up correctly, this way we can discuss things easially without taking up too much space or spamming DATM too much. Keep checking this thread (and the name poll thread) for further details
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 20, 2008 14:21:55 GMT 1
No criticising pozza but would it not be simpler to just have a subforum on here? As otherwise we're going to be flicking around two different forums and posting stuff twice/duplicating.
I would imagine everyone who is up for this is already a member on here? Just an idea.
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Post by dewsburyblue on Oct 20, 2008 19:27:36 GMT 1
Did anyone notice behind the goals at sadford , looks like they have already started some kind of group . I might be wrong about it but i dont think i am .
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Post by Sheps on Oct 20, 2008 20:21:20 GMT 1
Did anyone notice behind the goals at sadford , looks like they have already started some kind of group . I might be wrong about it but i dont think i am . I noticed that tonight on Look North, looked quite good actually.
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Post by pozza on Oct 20, 2008 23:07:32 GMT 1
No criticising pozza but would it not be simpler to just have a subforum on here? As otherwise we're going to be flicking around two different forums and posting stuff twice/duplicating. I would imagine everyone who is up for this is already a member on here? Just an idea. Know what your saying mate, but there is already a "singing section" sub-board on here and nobody uses it, by having a seperate forum it will just make it easier I think. Plus we might have/get memebers that aint on this site. I'll be trying to advertise the group elsewhere as well as this site.
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Post by stavrosslegend on Oct 21, 2008 2:41:50 GMT 1
I believe that starting up a so called Ultra group could be a very positive and in the long term could help to create a better atmosphere at matches. At times on Saturday it was eerily quite, even after we took the lead.
However, in my opinion having the word Ultra in the title of any such group would have a negative effect. The most famous Ultras in the world at the moment are the Italian Ultras. Whilst they create a fantastic atmosphere at matches. They also have a reputation for violence and clashes with the police. This has directly or indirectly lead to fans and police been killed on match days. Attendances over the last few years at Italian football matches has declined as a result, although there have been other factors. Having the name Ultra in the name of any group would immediately mean that the police would be against us and the club, even if the intentions were just to try and make the atmosphere better.
To try to avoid any future conflicts with the club then may I suggest that any such group have a strict policy on expelling people who as members of the group get themselves into trouble with the police or stewards. This should not apply when they have been the victim of heavy handed policing or stewarding (for example thrown out for standing up during a match). Cases should be judged individually. Generally speaking the Italian Ultra groups have a political ideology (often Right-Wing). I think that it would be important for any such group should make it expressly clear that they have no political outlook. This hopefully would have the effect of the police and club been more understanding towards the cause of improving the atmosphere. This may have the additional bones of encouraging more people to join and not be put off by the reputation that similar groups have abroad.
I think that it will take time for this to work and will require patience as it may not deliver instant results (just like Stan?). I was pleased to read above that it was going to be pulicised on other mediums not just the web, not every Town uses this site. All in all I believe that this could have a very positive effect if done carefully and with patience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 9:22:34 GMT 1
I believe that starting up a so called Ultra group could be a very positive and in the long term could help to create a better atmosphere at matches. At times on Saturday it was eerily quite, even after we took the lead. However, in my opinion having the word Ultra in the title of any such group would have a negative effect. The most famous Ultras in the world at the moment are the Italian Ultras. Whilst they create a fantastic atmosphere at matches. They also have a reputation for violence and clashes with the police. This has directly or indirectly lead to fans and police been killed on match days. Attendances over the last few years at Italian football matches has declined as a result, although there have been other factors. Having the name Ultra in the name of any group would immediately mean that the police would be against us and the club, even if the intentions were just to try and make the atmosphere better. To try to avoid any future conflicts with the club then may I suggest that any such group have a strict policy on expelling people who as members of the group get themselves into trouble with the police or stewards. This should not apply when they have been the victim of heavy handed policing or stewarding (for example thrown out for standing up during a match). Cases should be judged individually. Generally speaking the Italian Ultra groups have a political ideology (often Right-Wing). I think that it would be important for any such group should make it expressly clear that they have no political outlook. This hopefully would have the effect of the police and club been more understanding towards the cause of improving the atmosphere. This may have the additional bones of encouraging more people to join and not be put off by the reputation that similar groups have abroad. I think that it will take time for this to work and will require patience as it may not deliver instant results (just like Stan?). I was pleased to read above that it was going to be pulicised on other mediums not just the web, not every Town uses this site. All in all I believe that this could have a very positive effect if done carefully and with patience. Good points - all we want to do is get drunk, sing up for the lads and add colour to the spectacle! and for away games we'll drink their women and sh*g their beer cos we are the Cowshed Loyal!
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