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Post by yanfan on Jan 25, 2009 13:31:11 GMT 1
put glennon in on tuesday and let smithies sit on the bench for the rest of the season.in my opinion he is overated.he flapped a few times yesterday and will rot as fourth/fifth choice keeper at a premier club and by the age of 25 he'll be playing for mansfield.
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Post by Spacedeck on Jan 25, 2009 13:44:03 GMT 1
As much as I would like him to stay, I think it would be best for his career to move up. I just hope when he does go that Clark has one hell of a goalkeeper to replace him. Didn't everyone also hate Smithies last season and always saying he isn't good enough?
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Post by htfc7 on Jan 25, 2009 13:55:13 GMT 1
i wouldn't want him back on loan if we sold him or let him go at the end of season.
i would rather he stayed here, or if he went i wouldn't want him back on loan. No way!
if he really wants to leave to go to chelsea or whatever i would argue that he won't even be the reserve's goalkeeper, but in the modern game
money is all which interests footballers these days.I say put glennon back in or buy another keeper and let smithies warm the bench for the rest of the season
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 25, 2009 14:11:19 GMT 1
theres only one matty glennon thank fcuk,otherwise we might get lumbered with 2 of the indecisive buggers
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jan 25, 2009 14:21:38 GMT 1
smithies looks like he's gonna be an awesome goal keeper. he;s only 18!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make one bad mistake yesterday but recovered superbly.
fergie still talks about ben foster being yound with a big future, and he's 25!!!!
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Post by hotdog on Jan 25, 2009 15:05:22 GMT 1
Goalkeepers are a strange breed they can rise and fall on the footballing pyramid faster than anyone else, e.g Ben Foster plucked out of non league football to play for Wrexham then a transfer to Man Utd and obscurity for a couple of years, then loaned to Watford, then back into obscurity, then back into man utd looking a bit porky round the edges. Similar case with Thomas Kutchsak. Even the great Dane Peter Schemeical (sorry about the spelling) was a striker before being turned into a keeper.
In short although Smithies may look promising now he could be playing non league football in four years; i remember people saying similar things about Scott Bevan when he was at Southampton. Its a different ball game in many ways for goalkeepers.
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Post by stevvy on Jan 25, 2009 15:07:59 GMT 1
Even the great Dane Peter Schemeical (sorry about the spelling) was a striker before being turned into a keeper. was he?that'd probably explain why he managed to score a few goals in his career then
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Post by jasond on Jan 25, 2009 15:18:41 GMT 1
In short although Smithies may look promising now he could be playing non league football in four years; i remember people saying similar things about Scott Bevan when he was at Southampton. Its a different ball game in many ways for goalkeepers. Can you remember that short lived Town newspaper from the Wadsworth season? Front cover picture of Scott Bevan and Scott Mcdonald - Great Scotts . What grim days they were. If I remember correctly Bevan drifted into non-league and suffered a horror rib-break injury that culminated in him having a kidney surgically removed. The premiership is a graveyard for promising young goalie's, take note Smithies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 15:20:26 GMT 1
Some Town fans amaze me. Smithies has been superb since he came into the team. He had a shacky second half yesterday (like most of the team), and some are talking about dropping him.
We'd be swapping keepers every two weeks if we dropped one after every mistake. I thought Glennon was very harshly dropped, but Smithies has done more than enough to have an extended run in the team.
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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Jan 25, 2009 15:29:36 GMT 1
Some Town fans amaze me. Smithies has been superb since he came into the team. He had a shacky second half yesterday (like most of the team), and some are talking about dropping him. We'd be swapping keepers every two weeks if we dropped one after every mistake. I thought Glennon was very harshly dropped, but Smithies has done more than enough to have an extended run in the team. My sentiments exactly. I think a few people on here often forget that Smithies has only played 10+ games in his professional career and is still only 18! There's no doubt that with the right attitude and application in training that he'll go on to bigger and better things. As for the situation with him possibly leaving, which I'm going to try and speak from an unbiased opinion, he should stay, if only to further gain more 1st team experience. He would only go to a Premiership club and get shipped out on loan to every club in England before even getting a real opportunity to play some first team football... and that'll no doubt be in the Carling Cup against Walsall or Scunthorpe or whoever. I mean Joe Hart played over 50 games for Shrewsbury before moving to Manchester City and he is now their first team goalkeeper (until they buy Buffon or whoever for £60m! ). As for being overrated... well I don't know many other 18 year old goalkeepers who are first teamers at their clubs and also have international honours as well.
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Post by hotdog on Jan 25, 2009 15:33:54 GMT 1
I think to say Smithies has been 'superb' is a bit OTT. Of course he has done well but he has not been tested all that much. Against Oldham he had about one shot to deal with, and similarly against Swindon, Northhampton. Granted he played well at Southend and against Hereford but to call him superb is a bit rich, as he has also made a few clangers; not saying this makes him a bad player but i think he is a bit overated.
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Post by bigbadbaz on Jan 25, 2009 15:35:55 GMT 1
i see steve harper is leaving newcastle along with shane g. i wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 16:32:57 GMT 1
if he's not sign by the end of jan or sold he should be dropped..................why should we give him anymore experience so he can sod off in the summer!!!!!! then go to tribunal. we should of had him signed up for longer so we need to learn from this but not let him hold us to ransom. he needs 2-3 years more playing with us to help him grow...i hope he can see that past the quick ££££££ id get blackie to twat his agent too
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Post by boothylegend on Jan 25, 2009 17:49:17 GMT 1
In short although Smithies may look promising now he could be playing non league football in four years; i remember people saying similar things about Scott Bevan when he was at Southampton. Its a different ball game in many ways for goalkeepers. Can you remember that short lived Town newspaper from the Wadsworth season? Front cover picture of Scott Bevan and Scott Mcdonald - Great Scotts . What grim days they were. If I remember correctly Bevan drifted into non-league and suffered a horror rib-break injury that culminated in him having a kidney surgically removed. The premiership is a graveyard for promising young goalie's, take note Smithies. Bevan was playing for Torquay yesterday if I remember correctly. Couldn't really have done much about Coventry's goal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 18:29:06 GMT 1
So because he hasn't signed a new contract (yet??), probably because his agent is trying to get the best deal for himself everyone suddenly doesn't rate him?
10 days ago Alex Smithies was the dogs b*llocks in everybody's eyes and now we all dont rate him?
I think Alex is a really good young goalkeeper that will make a couple of mistakes as he is only 18. His one weakness for me is that as he is so young that at times he is not yet strong enough to barge strikers out of the way to make the ball his when it comes into the box.
He is a better overall keeper than Glennon, I say this despite me thinking Glennon is a decent League 1 keeper and could play in the Championship... not be the best in there but could play there.
If he signs a new deal you'll all start saying he is the best thing since sliced bread again.
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Jan 25, 2009 23:34:33 GMT 1
if he wants to go and be 3rd or 4th choice keeper at a big club rotting in the reserves let him, the greedy tosser. Smithies is an 18 year old boy being fed a load of shite by a greedy agent. Lets lay off him and see what happens eh.
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Post by The Real True Blue on Jan 25, 2009 23:39:24 GMT 1
As much as I would like him to stay, I think it would be best for his career to move up. I just hope when he does go that Clark has one hell of a goalkeeper to replace him. Didn't everyone also hate Smithies last season and always saying he isn't good enough? I never said he wasn't good enough. Just that he's a greedy get. Deano gives him exactly what he wanted and he turns round and tells him he wants more? Get him out, get some money in and he'll be 6th choice keeper for QPR or somone like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 23:41:56 GMT 1
I never said he wasn't good enough. Just that he's a greedy get. Deano gives him exactly what he wanted and he turns round and tells him he wants more? No he didn't. His agent did. Some people are failing to see what a big difference this is.
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Post by specialun on Jan 25, 2009 23:52:19 GMT 1
And it is a very big difference. All mind games at the minute - let's just wait and see.
And yes, imo, smithies has been excellent since he's been in.
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Post by hotdog on Jan 25, 2009 23:52:56 GMT 1
Paulmat do you honestly think his agent would take precedence over what Smithies wants? do you honestly think Smithies is just a pawn in his agent's greedy plans?,
If Smithies wants the deal town offered he would have accepted it. His agent may influence, but he does not control Smithies decisions: the agent works FOR Smithies; Smithies does NOT work for the agent.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 25, 2009 23:56:24 GMT 1
some people need to calm down a little over this all sides are just playing the game lets see what happens
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 23:58:10 GMT 1
I imagine the agent says to Smithies, I'll try and sort out your contract for you, and get you the best deal I can. Smithies says yes please, and has nothing more to do with it.
Listen to Hoyle's interview, and you'll notice he says nothing about Smithies asking for a certain amount, nothing about Smithies moving the goal posts, he makes a point of mentioning his agent. Smithies has probably been involved very little.
I imagine his agent has kept him in the loop, along the lines of they have offered you £xxxx a week, I think I can get you a better deal. In that situation is it so bad that Smithies might have said OK, get me what you can, rather than telling his agent where to go and accepting the offer.
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Post by hotdog on Jan 26, 2009 0:00:59 GMT 1
My source inside the club has informed me Smithies is doing more than simply playing the game. Apparently he has made several demands over contract talks, town have matched them each time. The announcement by Hoyle is a culmination of frustrations within the club as they have tried resolving Smithies contract for a couple of months.
At the end of the day there is a fine line between 'playing the game' and a blatant disrespect for the club that raised you and gave you the oppertunity to become what you are, and i KNOW many people inside the club feel the same as me.
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Post by The Real True Blue on Jan 26, 2009 0:01:23 GMT 1
It seems to me that Alex knows he has hit some form (yesterday notwithstanding) and thinks he can use this to try to barter a better deal for himself.
Yes, he is a quality goalkeeper who in my opinion will go places but that doesn't give him the right to dictate terms with his employer.
If you or i did this at our place of work, we'd be given the boot in a heartbeat.
Rant over. ;D
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Post by The Real True Blue on Jan 26, 2009 0:02:54 GMT 1
Does loyalty count for nothing anymore?
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Post by hotdog on Jan 26, 2009 0:02:58 GMT 1
I see you point Paulmat, but the ultimate responsibility for this contract scenario lies with Smithies, see my post above for what people on the inside of the club think about Smithies conduct.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2009 0:07:20 GMT 1
Absolutely, an ultimately we'll know what Smithies really wants, and we can judge him then, but its too early to be on his back, suggesting that he's trying to screw us over for a few extra quid.
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Post by hotdog on Jan 26, 2009 0:12:56 GMT 1
Well heres hoping to a nice resolution to the contract sage
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Post by stavrosslegend on Jan 26, 2009 2:46:27 GMT 1
I don't believe joining a big club is always just about the money. Don't get me wrong all footballers given the opportunity want to earn enough from their short carriers to sort themselves out. However, I also think they want to achieve as much as possible. This could be to play at as higher level as possible, so thats international football and the European Cup, domestically this is the Premier League. This could mean to win things. If Smithies joined, for example, Chelsea he would be at a club that played at the highest level, qualified every season for the European Cup. He'd have a better chance of receiving further international honours. He might spend a carrier rotting not even in the 2nd team, but he might, in time, earn a chance. He probably thinks that he is good enough to take that chance. In addition to this Chelsea have a realistic chance of winning something. A lot still applies if he were to join another Premier League club and in terms of building a career, a successful spell at say Middlesbrough could earn a move to a bigger club. Even joining QPR would allow him to play at a higher level and put him more in the shop window for bigger clubs. As well a having financial rewards.
If he were to stay at Town he would stand a better chance of building up some first team football and possibly could be involved in some promotion seasons. This is not guaranteed. He could spend the next few years playing for a mid table League 1 side. After this the big clubs may have lost interest.
At the moment Smithies is in the first team for his hometown (I think) club and is becoming very popular. Even if he is not a Town fan this is quite a big thing to walk away from. I don't believe that any decision to leave will be easy for him.
I personally hope that he signs a new contract because I believe that Town have got an excellent Keeper on their hands.
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Jan 26, 2009 3:30:45 GMT 1
So I imagine when his name is called out down at Huish Park he'll be roundly booed by a few town fans, if the comments on here are anything to go by. To those who think he actually isn't any good, is that not a slight indictment on the managerial staff, selecting someone who isn't good enough? He had a poor game yesterday, but as a keeper, it's far more apparent when does underperform.
I for one am not about to start lambasting the kid until the facts of the ongoing negotiations are made clearer. I was amused by the Cardiff fans' treatment of Aaron Ramsey yesterday. Here's a kid they developed from the age of 8 (just like Smithies) and they begrudged him a move to Arsenal, a club who would be able to progress his career even further bearing in mind their approach to the game. I'd hope we wouldn't do the same.
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