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Post by Stan_Lee on Mar 17, 2009 17:40:57 GMT 1
I once fell and grazed my knee Oh, and i'd be annoyed if the club did discounted tickets for people out of work. While I have every sympathy for those of you have been liad off due to the "credit crunch" I dont see why I should be penalised into paying extra just becuase I happen to work in an industry where job cuts are not being made. Well obviously you don't " have every sympathy" for those laid off. And who said anything about you paying extra ? I was in an industry for 23 years with no job cuts ... Don't count your chickens .....
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 17, 2009 17:51:40 GMT 1
I once fell and grazed my knee Oh, and i'd be annoyed if the club did discounted tickets for people out of work. While I have every sympathy for those of you have been liad off due to the "credit crunch" I dont see why I should be penalised into paying extra just becuase I happen to work in an industry where job cuts are not being made. Well obviously you don't " have every sympathy" for those laid off. And who said anything about you paying extra ? I was in an industry for 23 years with no job cuts ... Don't count your chickens ..... I think Pozza meant paying extra as in paying more than you.
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Post by Stan_Lee on Mar 17, 2009 18:02:38 GMT 1
Well obviously you don't " have every sympathy" for those laid off. And who said anything about you paying extra ? I was in an industry for 23 years with no job cuts ... Don't count your chickens ..... I think Pozza meant paying extra as in paying more than you. Are you a mind reader or are you two a double act ?? Pozza said " penalised into paying extra " I don't want anybody to pay extra just the normal rate as i have for the last 38 seasons.
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 17, 2009 18:15:13 GMT 1
I think Pozza meant paying extra as in paying more than you. Are you a mind reader or are you two a double act ?? Pozza said " penalised into paying extra " I don't want anybody to pay extra just the normal rate as i have for the last 38 seasons. No i'm not a mind reader. Just stating the bleeding obvious
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Post by pozza on Mar 17, 2009 18:15:33 GMT 1
I once fell and grazed my knee I'm sorry pozza, you're out. *Goes to rip out some ligaments out so can feel part of the gang*
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Post by pozza on Mar 17, 2009 18:19:44 GMT 1
I think Pozza meant paying extra as in paying more than you. Exactly what I meant. If someone out of work pays £100, and I pay £200, i'm paying "extra" because I work.
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Post by Stan_Lee on Mar 17, 2009 21:15:26 GMT 1
I think Pozza meant paying extra as in paying more than you. Exactly what I meant. If someone out of work pays £100, and I pay £200, i'm paying "extra" because I work. You wont be paying any extra, just the same as anyone else in your category. The disabled pay less ... and rightly so Kids pay less................and rightly so Students pay less...........and rightly so Its about affordability so why not help the hundreds of Town fans who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own.
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Post by pozza on Mar 17, 2009 21:30:34 GMT 1
OK, why should I pay more than you, just becuase I have been lucky enough to still be in a job? Thats not my fault either is it?
Also, what about people who are just un-employed in general? People who are on the dole with no intentions of getting a job, do they get tickets at a discounted rate?
Also, I dont think Students should get cheaper tickets either, they choose to be students, and if they dont work & cant afford to buy tickets at full price then thats up to them.
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Post by sunflower on Mar 17, 2009 21:38:47 GMT 1
If i was unemployed, i would be a bit depressed, so the last thing I'd want to do is go watch Town. It could push you over the edge!
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Post by wonderousworthy on Mar 17, 2009 21:50:03 GMT 1
I'm enjoying the knee injuries on this thread.
Cant beat mine though.... Cartiledge problem took 14 doctors, 18 x-rays, a threat of key-hole surgery and an MRI to find out what was wrong with mine! 9 sprains of my knee later and i still persist attempting forms of sport!
Pozza you're comment on students paying less is bollocks though. I bet many Hudds Uni students come to the football and start supporting the club thanks to cheap prices thus leading to merchandise and catering sales as well. Plus existing fans since childhood wanting to watch their home town club will not come if they have to pay a few hundred quid. If student prices go over 80 quid in the ground next season i won't be getting one.
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Post by pozza on Mar 17, 2009 21:53:39 GMT 1
Pozza you're comment on students paying less is bollocks though. I bet many Hudds Uni students come to the football and start supporting the club thanks to cheap prices thus leading to merchandise and catering sales as well. Plus existing fans since childhood wanting to watch their home town club will not come if they have to pay a few hundred quid. If student prices go over 80 quid in the ground next season i won't be getting one. Not really bollocks is it mate. I'm the same age as some Students. Just becuase they choose to go onto further education & I choose to work doesn't mean there should be a different price.
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Post by wonderousworthy on Mar 17, 2009 21:56:45 GMT 1
Its all down to disposabal income. Under your theory OAP's should pay the same. OAPs should pay full-price as they have decided to retire......
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Post by pozza on Mar 17, 2009 22:02:30 GMT 1
Aye but OAP's will have at least worked for 60 odd years so they deserve a bit of a discount If its done on disposable income then that means if someone earns 60k a year they should pay more than someone who earns 15k. Thats not really fair either is it.
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 17, 2009 22:17:19 GMT 1
If I became unemployed, I'd get a job, or two jobs, even if they were horrendous shitty jobs, to tide me over until I got a job in my field of work. Therefore being able to afford things still. And I'd certainly be more concerned about getting a job before next season, than if I could get some money knocked off my season ticket.
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Post by boothys9iron on Mar 17, 2009 22:21:36 GMT 1
But if you offer discounted tickets to the unemployed, what then happens if they get a job during the season? and vice versa? Do you ask for a part refund if you start the season employed and loose your job mid season? The answer to that is to only offer cheaper match day tickets rather than cheaper season tickets. Then when/if they get job they start paying full again!! Also a lot of clubs have let people pay for there season tickets in 10 monthly installments, i think this is also something that would be of great benefit to people with less money, especially families buying 4 of them!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 23:08:45 GMT 1
If I became unemployed, I'd get a job, or two jobs, even if they were horrendous shitty jobs, to tide me over until I got a job in my field of work. Therefore being able to afford things still. And I'd certainly be more concerned about getting a job before next season, than if I could get some money knocked off my season ticket. Agreed there are still over 500,000 jobs out there if you want to work you can get a job if you are prepared to do whatever is on offer. It won't be for the same money it won't be the same field but it's a job, some income and some self respect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 23:12:52 GMT 1
I was sat here wondering how many Town fans are in the same position as myself regards next season,that is who have lost jobs over the last few months and will be unable to afford a season ticket or match day tickets come next season. As things stand ,I am sure many of you on here will have family and friends in a similar position. I know the Club give concessions but as far as I know it does not extend to the unemployed. No concessions for the unemployed I don't want my Saturday afternoons ruined by having smelly dirty unemployed tramps next to me. I already have to endure the idiots who came in on the back of the £100 season ticket offer. The ones who think it is acceptable to swear at their children under ten. Thick thats the problem!!!! Back of Antich £500 next season please Dean. I would be seriosuly peeved if I have to pay more for my season ticket than an unemployed person because i work all week where as they sit aroundpicker their arses and scratching their bollocks!
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Post by terryya on Mar 17, 2009 23:44:10 GMT 1
I don't think you can offer cheaper season tickets to unemployed people. For a starter it would be very hard to run from the clubs point of view and watching Town certainly isn't as essential.
As for costing three times more to get a new customer than keep an existing one, I don't think that works with football as it isn't like people are going to start supporting another team just because they are cheaper. When I couldn't afford to go I just stopped going and started again when I had more brass.
Nearly forgot to mention that both my knees are f**ked but I haven't got round to seeing th doc yet as I reckon he'll just fob me off!
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Post by Stan_Lee on Mar 17, 2009 23:48:16 GMT 1
I was sat here wondering how many Town fans are in the same position as myself regards next season,that is who have lost jobs over the last few months and will be unable to afford a season ticket or match day tickets come next season. As things stand ,I am sure many of you on here will have family and friends in a similar position. I know the Club give concessions but as far as I know it does not extend to the unemployed. No concessions for the unemployed I don't want my Saturday afternoons ruined by having smelly dirty unemployed tramps next to me. I already have to endure the idiots who came in on the back of the £100 season ticket offer. The ones who think it is acceptable to swear at their children under ten. Thick thats the problem!!!! Back of Antich £500 next season please Dean. I would be seriosuly peeved if I have to pay more for my season ticket than an unemployed person because i work all week where as they sit aroundpicker their arses and scratching their bollocks! Oh dear ........ never mind ..... you can't educate pork !!!
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Post by ding1981 on Mar 18, 2009 0:02:40 GMT 1
If I became unemployed, I'd get a job, or two jobs, even if they were horrendous shitty jobs, to tide me over until I got a job in my field of work. Therefore being able to afford things still. And I'd certainly be more concerned about getting a job before next season, than if I could get some money knocked off my season ticket. Agreed there are still over 500,000 jobs out there if you want to work you can get a job if you are prepared to do whatever is on offer. It won't be for the same money it won't be the same field but it's a job, some income and some self respect. Can you show me to the 500,000 jobs then - I've applied for over 1500 now - doing everything from packing flowers to management positions. I am prepared to do anything, but cannot get an interview. Today in fact I have sent my CV off for 20 positions - the recruitment firms handling the positions fire off an email within 30 seconds of receiving it stating that you are not suitable for the position.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Mar 18, 2009 2:04:41 GMT 1
Agreed there are still over 500,000 jobs out there if you want to work you can get a job if you are prepared to do whatever is on offer. It won't be for the same money it won't be the same field but it's a job, some income and some self respect. Can you show me to the 500,000 jobs then - I've applied for over 1500 now - doing everything from packing flowers to management positions. I am prepared to do anything, but cannot get an interview. Today in fact I have sent my CV off for 20 positions - the recruitment firms handling the positions fire off an email within 30 seconds of receiving it stating that you are not suitable for the position. Don't apply for jobs online is my top tip. Those applications rarely get taken seriously. Go down and personally see the agency then ring and harass them every single day until they put you forward for jobs and get you interviews. Always worked for me. Emailing off cv's isn't really applying for jobs IMO.
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Post by gregpot2000 on Mar 18, 2009 9:34:00 GMT 1
we played with footballs first in juniors....then they got banned so tennis balls were used, then these got banned, so we used to use the red nose's that were out at the time!!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 10:44:55 GMT 1
Honestly the lack of sentiment to the unemployed is amazing to me
There by the grace of god, hey!
At the moment I have a job (thankfully) but lots of colleges haven't survived the cut backs - I would think the majority of businesses have by now taken out some "heads" in response to tightening credit, falling turnover and squeezed margins and if your company hasn't yet then a period of downsizing is most likely in the post!
The folk without jobs have done nowt wrong, other than be victims of a global turndown
Everyone is affected (both white and blue collar workers this time!). What started with banks fell over to less mortgages (less work for lawyers, estate agents) which affected new builds (builders and other tradesmen) and because no one is moving no one is buying new fixtures and fittings (kitchens, bathrooms) or home comforts (sofas, beds, carpets) ... meaning those businesses struggle meaning they don't recruit people (affects re cruitment firms) and on it goes.
I suspect the story is even worse in luxury industries like cars, health / fitness, holidays and other cut backs people can do without on a day to day basis
Even in the public sector revenues are dropping as there's less tax in the system, corporation tax, PAYE but at the same time more claiming help, so guess what the solution will be there. The same as in the private sector
Frankly it's a total mess and no one should feel safe IMO, I have total sympathy for those who have been cut - it's simply not there fault
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Post by boothys9iron on Mar 18, 2009 11:55:14 GMT 1
Honestly the lack of sentiment to the unemployed is amazing to me There by the grace of god, hey! At the moment I have a job (thankfully) but lots of colleges haven't survived the cut backs - I would think the majority of businesses have by now taken out some "heads" in response to tightening credit, falling turnover and squeezed margins and if your company hasn't yet then a period of downsizing is most likely in the post! The folk without jobs have done nowt wrong, other than be victims of a global turndown Everyone is affected (both white and blue collar workers this time!). What started with banks fell over to less mortgages (less work for lawyers, estate agents) which affected new builds (builders and other tradesmen) and because no one is moving no one is buying new fixtures and fittings (kitchens, bathrooms) or home comforts (sofas, beds, carpets) ... meaning those businesses struggle meaning they don't recruit people (affects re cruitment firms) and on it goes. I suspect the story is even worse in luxury industries like cars, health / fitness, holidays and other cut backs people can do without on a day to day basis Even in the public sector revenues are dropping as there's less tax in the system, corporation tax, PAYE but at the same time more claiming help, so guess what the solution will be there. The same as in the private sector Frankly it's a total mess and no one should feel safe IMO, I have total sympathy for those who have been cut - it's simply not there fault Your quite right Huddsterrier! I have friends in the construction industry who have worked 7 days a week for the last 5 years, and then through no fault of there own have now lost there jobs and are finding it nearly impossible to find work!!! I really feel for them, then I come on here to read " I don't want my Saturday afternoons ruined by having smelly dirty unemployed tramps next to me" is this a joke!! DONNIE BRASCO YOU ARE AN UNEDUCATED FUCKING PRICK!!! Don't comment on some thing you haven't got a clue about!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 12:07:42 GMT 1
Bravo Boothys9Iron and HuddsTerrier, some sense at last. And Pozza, your arguments amaze me. Do you always have such a 'look after number one' attitude? If you found out that someone paid less for the same holiday as you would you enjoy your holiday less? If you are lucky enough to be working I fail to see how someone paying less for a ticket affects you.
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Post by terryya on Mar 18, 2009 13:26:12 GMT 1
Although this has turned a bit off topic (much of it in jest I think) there is no way that Town should subsidise the unemployed, however much sympathy you have for people who find themselves out of work. Football is a luxury (not that you'd think it at 4:45pm every Sat) and should be something you knock on the head if you're skint.
Also, whilst aknowledging that there are 1000's of people out of work at the moment who have worked hard for years and despite trying hard can't find a new job, there are also 1000's of people who even through the boom years choose unemployment as a career, and I'd hate to think that they benefit (if you pardon the pun) as a result.
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Post by Stan_Lee on Mar 18, 2009 13:33:48 GMT 1
Bravo Boothys9Iron and HuddsTerrier, some sense at last. And Pozza, your arguments amaze me. Do you always have such a 'look after number one' attitude? If you found out that someone paid less for the same holiday as you would you enjoy your holiday less? If you are lucky enough to be working I fail to see how someone paying less for a ticket affects you. Digger,Boothys9Iron and HuddsTerrier .... Thanks for the support I thought i was in the wrong after some of the uninformed comments coming my way. Unfortunately DATM seems to have its fair share of " Village Idiots" .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 13:46:28 GMT 1
Honestly the lack of sentiment to the unemployed is amazing to me There by the grace of god, hey! At the moment I have a job (thankfully) but lots of colleges haven't survived the cut backs - I would think the majority of businesses have by now taken out some "heads" in response to tightening credit, falling turnover and squeezed margins and if your company hasn't yet then a period of downsizing is most likely in the post! The folk without jobs have done nowt wrong, other than be victims of a global turndown Everyone is affected (both white and blue collar workers this time!). What started with banks fell over to less mortgages (less work for lawyers, estate agents) which affected new builds (builders and other tradesmen) and because no one is moving no one is buying new fixtures and fittings (kitchens, bathrooms) or home comforts (sofas, beds, carpets) ... meaning those businesses struggle meaning they don't recruit people (affects re cruitment firms) and on it goes. I suspect the story is even worse in luxury industries like cars, health / fitness, holidays and other cut backs people can do without on a day to day basis Even in the public sector revenues are dropping as there's less tax in the system, corporation tax, PAYE but at the same time more claiming help, so guess what the solution will be there. The same as in the private sector Frankly it's a total mess and no one should feel safe IMO, I have total sympathy for those who have been cut - it's simply not there fault Your quite right Huddsterrier! I have friends in the construction industry who have worked 7 days a week for the last 5 years, and then through no fault of there own have now lost there jobs and are finding it nearly impossible to find work!!! I really feel for them, then I come on here to read " I don't want my Saturday afternoons ruined by having smelly dirty unemployed tramps next to me" is this a joke!! DONNIE BRASCO YOU ARE AN UNEDUCATED FUCKING PRICK!!! Don't comment on some thing you haven't got a clue about! I AM A WELL EDUCATED, EMPLOYED, WELL PAID PRICK ACTUALLY
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Post by runner76 on Mar 18, 2009 13:57:17 GMT 1
A prick's a prick whichever way you look at it..........
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 14:15:01 GMT 1
Bravo Boothys9Iron and HuddsTerrier, some sense at last. And Pozza, your arguments amaze me. Do you always have such a 'look after number one' attitude? If you found out that someone paid less for the same holiday as you would you enjoy your holiday less? If you are lucky enough to be working I fail to see how someone paying less for a ticket affects you. Digger,Boothys9Iron and HuddsTerrier .... Thanks for the support I thought i was in the wrong after some of the uninformed comments coming my way. Unfortunately DATM seems to have its fair share of " Village Idiots" . Really? Sorry, we should all have said how right you were in YOUR OPINION? Just because a couple of people have agreed with you doesn't make you correct, it just shows that on a subject such as this, opinions will differ greatly but that doesn't make any of us right or wrong, it just means we share the same opinion as some and not others. The 'Village Idiot' comment only makes one person look so........................
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