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Post by rocky on Apr 26, 2009 10:31:33 GMT 1
I booed him (several times ) & got the same reaction that others describe. If we break the reaction to Davy into 3 categories, then I'd say there were more people clapping than booing, but by far the biggest group were those who did neither. No better illustration to me that a big majority have no idea what is going on. Also, no better indication that the minority behind exposing Davy should be encouraged & supported. I find it hard to believe that any Town fan who is aware of the stadium shares issue, can't be concerned about it.
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Post by mids on Apr 26, 2009 10:57:35 GMT 1
It really is a shame that the Guardian article didn't come out this Wednesday, ditto the Examiner article. Alot more people would be in the know. I will certainly make my feelings known! I wonder if the truth will out about why it hasn't appeared yet? The truth: "I am still juggling with stories and still do not know when I can run it but I will try to do so before the end of the season and will definitely let you know. Thanks for your patience, sorry it's difficult."
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Post by mids on Apr 26, 2009 11:00:29 GMT 1
Who was it that helped us to get out of Administration? The Survival Trust. The administrators. Paul Haigh's consortium. Ken Davy. Kirklees MC.
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Post by downatthepharm on Apr 26, 2009 11:03:38 GMT 1
Does anyone know the full facts and what exactly is going to happen when Dean Hoyle takes over and the HD1 project is up and running. Publicly and privately Sean Jarvis and Klebbins are very reserved on the matter - saying the relationship with Ken Davy is cordial and professional. Have they told some posters on here otherwise and if so will they share. At Thursday's meeting in Halifax there appeared to be some positivity about the Stadium arrangement regarding the rent, the negatives being lack of control (which they wouldn't have with the shares back being only 40%) and ability to raise money from food & drink etc. In fact the sense I got from all the various conversations was that they were more interested in renegotiating the overall rental deal rather than getting the shares back. Please tell me if I have misunderstood. I can only go on the conversations I have The change in the rent deal would have to be a good amount to even be considered. I'd be looking to get it down to 400k a year at the least. Even that is a rip off compared to other clubs. Take Leyton Orient for example, they have just lost their ground and will now have to pay £150k a year which their fans can't believe and are gutted about and they cant see how they can afford it. Yet here we are paying £700k
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Post by mids on Apr 26, 2009 11:11:31 GMT 1
Does anyone know the full facts and what exactly is going to happen when Dean Hoyle takes over and the HD1 project is up and running. Publicly and privately Sean Jarvis and Klebbins are very reserved on the matter - saying the relationship with Ken Davy is cordial and professional. Have they told some posters on here otherwise and if so will they share. At Thursday's meeting in Halifax there appeared to be some positivity about the Stadium arrangement regarding the rent, the negatives being lack of control (which they wouldn't have with the shares back being only 40%) and ability to raise money from food & drink etc. In fact the sense I got from all the various conversations was that they were more interested in renegotiating the overall rental deal rather than getting the shares back. Please tell me if I have misunderstood. I can only go on the conversations I have You've misunderstood Davy is still the boss for another 36 days, and if anything detrimental was publicly said by those holding lofty positions within the club then Davy wouldn't be a happy man. From June 1st things change, and I'm sure more facts will be revealed by those who know exactly what the situation is.
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Post by TwigTheWonderKid on Apr 26, 2009 12:28:57 GMT 1
Who was it that helped us to get out of Administration? The Survival Trust. The administrators. Paul Haigh's consortium. Ken Davy. Kirklees MC. Let's not forget Barry Ruberry.
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Post by bro600 on Apr 26, 2009 12:49:58 GMT 1
Surely Ruberry can't get credit for helping us out of administration when he was the most responsible for putting us into it? On the same note Ken Davy can't claim any credit when he did it to safeguard The Giants and keep KMC from being highly embarrassed. I look at Davy the same way i'd look at a surgeon saving a critically ill patient. 1st of all he stepped in supposedly being the best possible surgeon. Then he kept the patient alive because he had control of the patients finances.. Treat the patient with NHS like status whilst charging private health prices through KSDL. and then there was a little clause at the bottom of the deal that said "you'll definately lose your home at the end of the recooperation process"
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 26, 2009 13:13:33 GMT 1
Why, what specifically is wrong with what I wrote?? Its bollocks thats what
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 26, 2009 13:16:30 GMT 1
Surely Ruberry can't get credit for helping us out of administration when he was the most responsible for putting us into it? On the same note Ken Davy can't claim any credit when he did it to safeguard The Giants and keep KMC from being highly embarrassed. I look at Davy the same way i'd look at a surgeon saving a critically ill patient. 1st of all he stepped in supposedly being the best possible surgeon. Then he kept the patient alive because he had control of the patients finances.. Treat the patient with NHS like status whilst charging private health prices through KSDL. and then there was a little clause at the bottom of the deal that said "you'll definately lose your home at the end of the recooperation process" Rubery wrote off about £8 million to keep Town going
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Post by bro600 on Apr 26, 2009 14:36:25 GMT 1
"Rubery wrote off about £8 million to keep Town going" Ruberry Spent £12 million and then lost the balls to take the club on from there.
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Post by Belfast_Boy on Apr 26, 2009 14:41:05 GMT 1
Poor Ken, he's clearly an old man who is loosing his marbles, but still has some affection for this club. I clapped him because i believe you should respect your elders, i also felt sorry for him, he was clearly misguided in thinking he would get a good reception. Poor old sod.
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Post by betsvigi9 on Apr 26, 2009 15:46:34 GMT 1
Why, what specifically is wrong with what I wrote?? Its bollocks thats what Isn't reasoned argument a wonderful thing! If you don't agree with what someone says, then insult them. Is it any wonder that in spite of years of bile and vitriol, absolutely nothing has changed.
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Post by bro600 on Apr 26, 2009 15:52:17 GMT 1
Exactly Betsvig!! And thats why Ruberry and other people should sift through the crap and get on with whatever their aims are.
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Post by jackosgal on Apr 26, 2009 16:01:25 GMT 1
I made my feelings known while KD was on the pitch at half time. I was in the ladies conveniences at the back of the DG Lower!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 16:04:16 GMT 1
I was downstairs but came up to see what happened. Just stood silently and watched the crowd. Sad to see so many people applauding him for hamstringing Huddersfield Town.
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 27, 2009 0:24:44 GMT 1
im in Antich row s seat 176 I tried to get a round of"we want our shares back", as did a chap a couple of rows back. However all we got were looks of disgust and snide comments. Was quite surprised no one else joined in, but judging by the look i got of one woman in particular I must be sat in the heart of the Ken Davy fan club
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2009 0:47:04 GMT 1
People simply don't know. They either haven't been informed or just refuse to believe it. Many of them only believe things they are 'officially' told. So when they read in the programme or the examiner about how davy saved the club, they believe it. Or how he transfered the shares to protect the club, they believe that too.
We're pretty well informed on here with the whole assett stripping saga and barring one or two confused souls, we all treat Davy with the contempt he deserves. But we're a tiny proportion of the 13000 or so Town fans in that ground and sadly the majority still go along with whatever davy tells them.
the article should help, but the majority opinion won't change until Hoyle himself 'officially' tells it how it is- how Davy assett stripped the club and will have his greedy fingers round HTFC's neck long after hes dead. Hopefully dean will do that when he gets full control.
It turns my stomach that davy can stand out on the pitch bullsh*ting on about saving the club, when he knows that wasn't the case, and making out hes done this wonderfull job and now hes passing it on to somebody else out of the goodness of his heart cos we're a club hes 'grown to love'! WHAT A CROCK OF VOMIT INDUCING BILE!
He gazumped a better bid for HTFC, then assett stripped the club and ran it so badly it was dieing on its backside, getting gates of barely 6000 before ( thank god!!) Dean Hoyle stepped in.
If the fans as a whole really knew what hes done to the club the baracking from the stands would have been deafening
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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Apr 27, 2009 1:22:54 GMT 1
In regards to the reception that I personally gave Ken Davy, I simply just turned my back on him, didn't applaud, didn't boo. I have no time for the guy whatsoever. It's not so much about actually taking our 40% that has infuriated me. It's the way he hasn't shrouded us from the truth from day 1 that upsets me and no doubt the rest of us Town fans. Is it possible that he is waiting, until HD1 project is completely up and running that he may return our shares or am I just being completely naive in thinking this? It is amazing though how a man who 'saved' our club has turned into a villain in such a short space of time Would make a perfect film!
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Post by stevvy on Apr 27, 2009 2:08:34 GMT 1
Is it possible that he is waiting, until HD1 project is completely up and running that he may return our shares or am I just being completely naive in thinking this? ken won't do that, he'll try n keep the shares n therefore keep any profit hes entitled to
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Post by luke2htfc on Apr 27, 2009 7:58:00 GMT 1
the examiners 'moan of the match' is the town fans that 'churlishley' booed ken davy at half time
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Post by bro600 on Apr 27, 2009 8:05:53 GMT 1
the examiners 'moan of the match' is the town fans that 'churlishley' booed ken davy at half time Maybe it was the 477 investors from this deal that were booing?FSA HAMMERS FIRM OVER MISLEADING AD THE arrogance of a major firm of financial advisers has cost it dear. DBS Financial Management, which has 3,000 investment experts across the UK, was ordered in March 2000 to clean up its misleading adverts. At the time run by millionaire chairman Kenneth Davy, the firm ignored the warning from the Financial Services Authority and the next year recruited customers with a sales pitch littered with lies. That pitch for so-called "protected ISAs" has cost DBS a #100,000 fine, the first of its kind by the City regulator. The ads appeared in the Daily and Sunday Telegraphs and Sunday Mirror. The 455 investors who responded to the ads have been offered their money back. The deceptions included: Promising "no initial charge" when there was a charge of up to 6 per cent plus an annual management fee of up to 1.2 per cent. Failing to explain that investors could receive "substantially reduced" returns compared with other ISA funds. Claiming "100 per cent capital security over five years". This only applied at the fifth anniversary of the plan. Making excessive growth predictions. DBS had previously been fined #425,000 for mis-selling personal pensions. It has since been bought for #75million by software giant Misys. Davy, 62, made #7million from the sale and is now chairman of the Huddersfield Giants rugby league club. He also runs a new money advice firm, SimplyBiz. He didn't return our calls yesterday. DBS managing director Steve Pearson said: "The FSA is fining DBS for the contravention of regulatory rules by the previous management, who have moved on elsewhere. It is very surprising that former management failed to improve procedures adequately after an earlier regulatory inspection in 2000."
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Post by Polish Hippy on Apr 27, 2009 8:14:55 GMT 1
"Rubery wrote off about £8 million to keep Town going" Ruberry Spent £12 million and then lost the balls to take the club on from there. But not financially - his family couldn't take the bile from some town fans. Some nasty moments at the ground and an appalling post bag. Big man to write off £8 million What would he have gained if he had refused to write it off? The club would have been bankrupt and he wouldn't have got one single penny.
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Post by rocky on Apr 27, 2009 9:43:13 GMT 1
the examiners 'moan of the match' is the town fans that 'churlishley' booed ken davy at half time How do they know its 'churlish'? Have they investigated the issues behind the booing? If they did, instead of endlessly repeating the same old 'spoon fed' club bull shit then they might seek to make more impartial comments.
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Post by Heckyblue on Apr 27, 2009 10:31:45 GMT 1
I couldn't help myself - I booed loudly.
However I was told by a couple of people to shut up - if it wasn't for Kenneth we wouldn't have a club.
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Post by mids on Apr 27, 2009 10:41:50 GMT 1
Morning Mel, Well done on another excellent Town report in the Examiner today. However, I do feel the 'Moan Of The Match' was unnecessary. Those fans that booed Mr Davy did so for a legitimate reason, and it wasn't 'churlish' in any way. It may not have been the ideal time for those people to show their displeasure at the way he has surreptiously removed Town's stadium shares to his own back pocket, but when do they get the chance otherwise? It could be argued that he got away lightly. Regards
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 27, 2009 10:57:55 GMT 1
People simply don't know. They either haven't been informed or just refuse to believe it. Many of them only believe things they are 'officially' told. So when they read in the programme or the examiner about how davy saved the club, they believe it. Or how he transfered the shares to protect the club, they believe that too. We're pretty well informed on here with the whole assett stripping saga and barring one or two confused souls, we all treat Davy with the contempt he deserves. But we're a tiny proportion of the 13000 or so Town fans in that ground and sadly the majority still go along with whatever davy tells them. the article should help, but the majority opinion won't change until Hoyle himself 'officially' tells it how it is- how Davy assett stripped the club and will have his greedy fingers round HTFC's neck long after hes dead. Hopefully dean will do that when he gets full control. It turns my stomach that davy can stand out on the pitch bullsh*ting on about saving the club, when he knows that wasn't the case, and making out hes done this wonderfull job and now hes passing it on to somebody else out of the goodness of his heart cos we're a club hes 'grown to love'! WHAT A CROCK OF VOMIT INDUCING BILE! He gazumped a better bid for HTFC, then assett stripped the club and ran it so badly it was dieing on its backside, getting gates of barely 6000 before ( thank god!!) Dean Hoyle stepped in. If the fans as a whole really knew what hes done to the club the baracking from the stands would have been deafening The problem is a lot of fans simply don't want to believe it, they'd prefer to believe we live in some football administration paradise where all is rosy. A lot of people just have no interest in getting into the intricacies of it all and just believe as you said that the whatever Davy or the Examiner says is gospel. Getting the interest and backing of these fans will be vital gaining more momentum with this.
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Post by Davey Monroe on Apr 27, 2009 11:09:25 GMT 1
Is anyone really surprised by the Examiner's reportings? Uncle Ken has long held the local rag's balls in the palm of his hand. I sit at the very back of the Antich, on the half-way line. I had planned to keep quiet or even turn my back, but as soon as I saw him slithering onto his pitch I couldn't help myself. I booed, jeered, shouted and raged at the...[I'll refrain from continuing this particular sentence as we all know Ken will be having the boards monitored. ] No one said anything to me about my reaction though I did see a few people smiling in agreement. A small group further down the stand tried clapping louder to drown me out so I simply increased my volume (by placing my cupped hands to my mouth - it's as good as a megaphone!) Grrrrrrrr....etc
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Post by Dell12 on Apr 27, 2009 11:41:04 GMT 1
I sit at the very back of the Antich, on the half-way line. I had planned to keep quiet or even turn my back, but as soon as I saw him slithering onto his pitch I couldn't help myself. I booed, jeered, shouted and raged at the...[I'll refrain from continuing this particular sentence as we all know Ken will be having the boards monitored. ] Had I been sitting in my normal seat, which must be pritty close to yours i'd of most certainly joined in with you!
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Post by gregpot2000 on Apr 27, 2009 12:21:04 GMT 1
Does anyone else feel a letter to the examiners letters page coming on, explaining just what the “churlish” boo’s were for?
Someone could write in a long letter explaining the whole shares situation in full detail, to hopefully enlighten people, not sure if they would print it but worth a try surely?
Also as you can email the Examiner, I’m sure the author of the stickyed thread wouldn’t mind someone copying and pasting alot of his info, meaning it would be an easy, quick job just to restructure it into a letter that reads ok and then send it, I’m at work though, any takers?
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Post by gregpot2000 on Apr 27, 2009 12:30:32 GMT 1
infact, with the permission of tom the terrier i will do it myself now, as don't think it would actually require much editing
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