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Post by cheesyhtfc on Jun 27, 2012 0:02:23 GMT 1
As far as I'm concerned, Clark did an OK job. He laid the foundations but it was right to get rid as it was beginning to look unlikely that he would push us over the line. The unbeaten run is something I'm proud of (even if others may deride it) and he did give us some of the best football I've seen in his first season. Failed in his ultimate goal but I've seen enough to think that he could be a good manager.
I think it depends on whether he has the right assistant manager to guide him; I don't think it's any coincidence that the football took a turn for the worse (as did the signing success rate) when Clark lost Faz - in much the same way that Jacko lost it when he lost Taff. If he can get the right man then I think he can do well. He will get a good reception from me anyway, he tried hard and I'm not bothered about him getting frustrated with the media if I'm honest; strikes me as much ado about nothing tbh.
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Post by ACW on Jun 27, 2012 0:15:25 GMT 1
As far as I'm concerned, Clark did an OK job. He laid the foundations but it was right to get rid as it was beginning to look unlikely that he would push us over the line. The unbeaten run is something I'm proud of (even if others may deride it) and he did give us some of the best football I've seen in his first season. Failed in his ultimate goal but I've seen enough to think that he could be a good manager. I think it depends on whether he has the right assistant manager to guide him; I don't think it's any coincidence that the football took a turn for the worse (as did the signing success rate) when Clark lost Faz - in much the same way that Jacko lost it when he lost Taff. If he can get the right man then I think he can do well. He will get a good reception from me anyway, he tried hard and I'm not bothered about him getting frustrated with the media if I'm honest; strikes me as much ado about nothing tbh. Can't really argue with any of that Cheesy. With the right back up it wouldn't surprise me if he did a good job at Brum. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if it all went pear-shaped. I hope, for his sake, he does a good job, because it could make or break his reputation as a young, promising manager.
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Post by dowd on Jun 27, 2012 0:18:29 GMT 1
Is their going to be a dedicated board for Birmingham's pre-season friendlies? Maybe we could start a thread about their new manager on it and discuss his merits and weaknesses etc.
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Post by malvernterrier on Jun 27, 2012 7:53:39 GMT 1
When Rhodes leaves us for a bigger club, will the Clark haters deride him and show such negativity toward him? All Clark did was what he thought best for the club....no-one, but no-one could dispute that.....Rhodes has done his best too....whats the difference? FFS there are even fools on here who keep going on about the way he spoke!!!!!! How petty can you get? I live in rural Worcestershire with a broad Yorkshire accent, and I dont get the crap given out by some numpties on here about the way I talk. Well done LC for landing such a HUGE job and earning yourself another couple of million quid.....maybe THATS what gets up some posters noses on here......Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Had enough of the bitterness and bile re Clark.....going round in circles now.....good luck to all ex Town servents....no reason to hate......I hereby swear not to post about Clark again unless Town are playing his team or he comments about US. : : : :
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Post by basherbeef on Jun 27, 2012 8:04:40 GMT 1
Mac has been named as his assistant.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 27, 2012 8:13:37 GMT 1
When Rhodes leaves us for a bigger club, will the Clark haters deride him and show such negativity toward him? All Clark did was what he thought best for the club....no-one, but no-one could dispute that.....Rhodes has done his best too....whats the difference? FFS there are even fools on here who keep going on about the way he spoke!!!!!! How petty can you get? Suppose the difference is Rhodes has been a lot better at his job for us than Clark was at his for us. Both did their best, not read anyone saying Clark didn't do his best. The effort he put it was probably the best attribute he had. On the petty thing- I agree, going on about how he spoke is petty. There again Malv, if Clark had been a Leeds, sorry L**ds, fan or had even played for them, you'd opinion of him would have been completely different, would it not??
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jun 27, 2012 8:38:35 GMT 1
All his record says is it's a very fine line between success and failure, if Simonsens penalty had gone in, if Smithies missed his, it would have been Lee Clarks failure instead of Graysons "more accomplished management". It is a fine line when you get to play offs usually. If we'd lost the shoot out then I wouldn't have given grayson any stick and his record would still have had him as an accomplished manager. If we'd stuck with clark we wouldn't have got past MK Dons IMO.As for him being a record breaking manager here- well the long REGULAR SEASON league game record is one that I doubt we'll see broken by a Town team in our lifetimes. It ultimately got us nowhere but it was still an achievement. Whats the other one- record number of away wins- a better achievement in my book than the unbeaten one- a team could go all season unbeaten and get relegated on 46 points. was another one the record number of home draws? Must have been close. the only record he managed that actually means anything though is most money spent by a Town manager in the third division without achieving promotion- a record he set 3 years running. His well oiled publicity machine in the media can bang on about the others as much as they like, and they've probably landed him the Brum job by doing it, but it's his record of failed promotion attempts that's the only one that means anything IMO. Well using LC's past record as a guide which his haters seem to do then LC's record of NEVER losing to MK in 7 tries would have helped us past them surely. Even SG can't match that. LC's Town v MK Dons Plyd 7 W4 D3 L0 Gfor 14 Gag 7 Pts 15
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 27, 2012 8:43:35 GMT 1
Oh my god nine pages and still going.. Third long thread in a fortnight ... 40 and 50 somethings slugging it out like two fat old heavyweights... Makes DATM look totally tinpot in my opinion
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jun 27, 2012 8:48:35 GMT 1
It is a fine line when you get to play offs usually. If we'd lost the shoot out then I wouldn't have given grayson any stick and his record would still have had him as an accomplished manager. If we'd stuck with clark we wouldn't have got past MK Dons IMO. As for him being a record breaking manager here- well the long REGULAR SEASON league game record is one that I doubt we'll see broken by a Town team in our lifetimes. It ultimately got us nowhere but it was still an achievement. Whats the other one- record number of away wins- a better achievement in my book than the unbeaten one- a team could go all season unbeaten and get relegated on 46 points. was another one the record number of home draws? Must have been close. the only record he managed that actually means anything though is most money spent by a Town manager in the third division without achieving promotion- a record he set 3 years running. His well oiled publicity machine in the media can bang on about the others as much as they like, and they've probably landed him the Brum job by doing it, but it's his record of failed promotion attempts that's the only one that means anything IMO. The one thing you can never dispute is he didn't fail this season. Did he succeed?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 8:59:19 GMT 1
The one thing you can never dispute is he didn't fail this season. Did he succeed? He didn't fail, not having had the chance to finish the season we'll never really know whether he would have succeeded will we?
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jun 27, 2012 9:11:37 GMT 1
He didn't fail, not having had the chance to finish the season we'll never really know whether he would have succeeded will we? nope but his record clearly shows he fails, the football was shite an getting worse, his attitude was shite and deano made the big call! it was the right call too! it is that simple! you lot can keep blowing wind up LCs harris all you want but Grayson took us up NOT Clark!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 9:26:02 GMT 1
He didn't fail, not having had the chance to finish the season we'll never really know whether he would have succeeded will we? nope but his record clearly shows he fails, the football was shite an getting worse, his attitude was shite and deano made the big call! it was the right call too! it is that simple! you lot can keep blowing wind up LCs harris all you want but Grayson took us up NOT Clark! He didn't fail last season. Dean gambled it came off, well done Grayson. :appl:
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jun 27, 2012 9:32:23 GMT 1
nope but his record clearly shows he fails, the football was shite an getting worse, his attitude was shite and deano made the big call! it was the right call too! it is that simple! you lot can keep blowing wind up LCs harris all you want but Grayson took us up NOT Clark! He didn't fail last season. Dean gambled it came off, well done Grayson. He didn’t succeed! He was sacked so he did fail! If you’re sacked from you’re job you can’t be regarded anything other than a failure! Constantly blurting out he didn’t fail is the sort of answer some idiot politician would give! It’s hardly a badge of honour!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 9:42:10 GMT 1
He didn't fail last season. Dean gambled it came off, well done Grayson. He didn’t succeed! He was sacked so he did fail! If you’re sacked from you’re job you can’t be regarded anything other than a failure! Constantly blurting out he didn’t fail is the sort of answer some idiot politician would give! It’s hardly a badge of honour! He wasn't given the chance to fail / succeed last season, he was sacked. Well done Simon. :appl:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 9:43:36 GMT 1
I'm outa here!! :suicide:
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Post by pozza on Jun 27, 2012 9:51:23 GMT 1
Lee Clarks aim was to get us out of League One.
Did Lee Clark manage that? No.
Therefore he failed.
#FACT
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jun 27, 2012 11:14:31 GMT 1
Lee Clarks aim was to get us out of League One. Did Lee Clark manage that? No. Therefore he failed. #FACT Whether you like to admit it or not, it was essentially his team that finally won promotion. Best of luck Lee, you have one hell of a challenge ahead of you but I hope you do well (apart from 2 obvious fixtures)
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Post by terrier01 on Jun 27, 2012 11:23:11 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 11:41:28 GMT 1
Lee Clarks aim was to get us out of League One. Did Lee Clark manage that? No. Therefore he failed. #FACT Whether you like to admit it or not, it was essentially his team that finally won promotion. Best of luck Lee, you have one hell of a challenge ahead of you but I hope you do well (apart from 2 obvious fixtures) iagree hope he does a good job and wish him well as im sure the majority of town fans will.
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Post by Marco4 on Jun 27, 2012 12:21:34 GMT 1
hmmm, it's a bit like giving credit for Leonardo Da Vinci's masterpieces to the bloke who delivered the tubes of paint to his house. I'd love to see Leonardos masterpieces without the use of paint or oils ;D Are Leonardo's notebooks thought of, if not in higher esteem than, at least not far from such esteem, as his actual artwork? Look at Vetruvian man; no oil painting he.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 12:43:53 GMT 1
I'd love to see Leonardos masterpieces without the use of paint or oils ;D Are Leonardo's notebooks thought of, if not in higher esteem than, at least not far from such esteem, as his actual artwork? Look at Vetruvian man; no oil painting he. Ummmm, yes i see what you mean.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 27, 2012 12:44:30 GMT 1
It is a fine line when you get to play offs usually. If we'd lost the shoot out then I wouldn't have given grayson any stick and his record would still have had him as an accomplished manager. If we'd stuck with clark we wouldn't have got past MK Dons IMO.As for him being a record breaking manager here- well the long REGULAR SEASON league game record is one that I doubt we'll see broken by a Town team in our lifetimes. It ultimately got us nowhere but it was still an achievement. Whats the other one- record number of away wins- a better achievement in my book than the unbeaten one- a team could go all season unbeaten and get relegated on 46 points. was another one the record number of home draws? Must have been close. the only record he managed that actually means anything though is most money spent by a Town manager in the third division without achieving promotion- a record he set 3 years running. His well oiled publicity machine in the media can bang on about the others as much as they like, and they've probably landed him the Brum job by doing it, but it's his record of failed promotion attempts that's the only one that means anything IMO. Well using LC's past record as a guide which his haters seem to do then LC's record of NEVER losing to MK in 7 tries would have helped us past them surely. Even SG can't match that. LC's Town v MK Dons Plyd 7 W4 D3 L0 Gfor 14 Gag 7 Pts 15 Thats true, but I was thinking more in terms of his play off record. Personally i didn't have much faith in him at all to cope with the high pressure games. He seemed to have a big problem coping with that pressure and his anxiety appeared to spread through to the team. Reckon that was the main thinking behind Dean getting rid when he did, even though he knew a top 6 finish was almost assured. he didn't think hed be able to take the team up, and neither did I. Its his 'ability' to cope with pressure that makes this brum appointment so interesting. If it starts going wrong will he be having paranoid little hissy-fits in interviews at the most mundane questions like he did here? Or has he learned? His performance will certainly be under a lot more scrutany in the media than it was here in L1.
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Post by ajt1892 on Jun 27, 2012 13:08:02 GMT 1
Just seen this tweet
'Congratulations to Lee Clark on his appointment. Huge club and fully deserves the opportunity after his success with us. #htafc #bcfc '
Does anyone know the 'success' this guy refers to?
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 27, 2012 13:20:05 GMT 1
FFS a 9 page thread on our former manager (yes I know I`m helping to take it to 10) during the close season, why not 9 pages on Wembley memories, new signings or Malcolm Macdonald or Big Brother or weekly bin collections ?
Lee Clark has gone, I doubt he will ever manage HTFC again so why keep looking back ?
All the PRO and all the ANTI clark mobs on here (rightly or wrongly) believe they are right and will NOT change their opinions because somebody else argues/reasons with them that they should, so it`s a pointless, ever increasing circle.
I used to argue that Mick Wadsworth shouldn`t have been sacked, partly cos we changed managers every 12 month or so to no good effect, but it`s done, it`s history and Simon Grayson is the TOWN manager that I`m bothered about now.
While I`m not niave enough to think this will be the last word on it, for anybody who wants to post that Lee Clark shouldn`t have been sacked there is one important fact to keep in mind - Lee Clark, Terry Mac, Steve Black, Faz, Watson Stephenson ( plus anybody else behind the scenes I`ve overlooked ) would NOT have joined our club if it wasn`t for Dean Hoyles financial backing. FACT.
So, IMO, if Dean Thought it was right to change direction, for whatever reason, then not only did he have the right to do so but the simple facts are he is entitled to our support when doing so.
Put simply Dean Hoyle / £`s = Lee Clark + Pilkington + Rhodes + Peltier + realistic hopes of the Premier League. Ken Davy / p`s = Andy Ritchie + Kamara + Jevons + Williams + realistic expectations to maintain mid table mediocrity in Div.3, for all eternity.
So love Clark or hate Clark, leave him in the past, be grateful you support your team at a time when it`s got the best Chairman it has had in it`s 100+ year history and start a new thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 14:14:08 GMT 1
Just seen this tweet 'Congratulations to Lee Clark on his appointment. Huge club and fully deserves the opportunity after his success with us. #htafc #bcfc ' Does anyone know the 'success' this guy refers to? Perhaps you could E-Mail the club and ask them, that's where it originated. Chris MarkhamPerformance Analyst at HTFC.
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Post by aksaiblue on Jun 27, 2012 17:09:02 GMT 1
9 already
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 27, 2012 17:35:52 GMT 1
FFS a 9 page thread on our former manager (yes I know I`m helping to take it to 10) during the close season, why not 9 pages on Wembley memories, new signings or Malcolm Macdonald or Big Brother or weekly bin collections ? Lee Clark has gone, I doubt he will ever manage HTFC again so why keep looking back ? All the PRO and all the ANTI clark mobs on here (rightly or wrongly) believe they are right and will NOT change their opinions because somebody else argues/reasons with them that they should, so it`s a pointless, ever increasing circle. I used to argue that Mick Wadsworth shouldn`t have been sacked, partly cos we changed managers every 12 month or so to no good effect, but it`s done, it`s history and Simon Grayson is the TOWN manager that I`m bothered about now. While I`m not niave enough to think this will be the last word on it, for anybody who wants to post that Lee Clark shouldn`t have been sacked there is one important fact to keep in mind - Lee Clark, Terry Mac, Steve Black, Faz, Watson Stephenson ( plus anybody else behind the scenes I`ve overlooked ) would NOT have joined our club if it wasn`t for Dean Hoyles financial backing. FACT. So, IMO, if Dean Thought it was right to change direction, for whatever reason, then not only did he have the right to do so but the simple facts are he is entitled to our support when doing so. Put simply Dean Hoyle / £`s = Lee Clark + Pilkington + Rhodes + Peltier + realistic hopes of the Premier League. Ken Davy / p`s = Andy Ritchie + Kamara + Jevons + Williams + realistic expectations to maintain mid table mediocrity in Div.3, for all eternity. So love Clark or hate Clark, leave him in the past, be grateful you support your team at a time when it`s got the best Chairman it has had in it`s 100+ year history and start a new thread. :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: end of!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 17:46:24 GMT 1
Heard a rumour........... Novak to Brum loan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 18:02:25 GMT 1
Heard a rumour........... Novak to Brum loan You little devil you. :iconlol:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 19:05:01 GMT 1
Just seen this tweet 'Congratulations to Lee Clark on his appointment. Huge club and fully deserves the opportunity after his success with us. #htafc #bcfc ' Does anyone know the 'success' this guy refers to? Somebody has provoked a response. Regarding my last tweet and the extremely cynical replies..........I'd say a football league record is a reasonable success, amongst many others. Chris Markham Analyst at Huddersfield Town AFC. Msc in Sports Psychology Onwards and upwards.
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