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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 20, 2013 5:35:39 GMT 1
Vaughan for me, although Rhodes would over time score more goals, Vaughan contributes more all over the park and my Mate and I commented on Tuesday when Vaughan had made a telling defensive headed clearance from a set-piece.
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Post by wasp on Sept 20, 2013 6:55:54 GMT 1
JV for me as JR is a big girls blouse
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 7:14:16 GMT 1
how easy was rhodes to mark out of games? (the away day at preston springs to mind.....soft fecker) thing about vaughan is that his physicality is pretty much impossible to subdue, unlike Rhodes who i suspect might run away at the mere thought of injuring himself in a 50-50 challenge.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2013 7:20:57 GMT 1
how easy was rhodes to mark out of games? (the away day at preston springs to mind.....soft fecker) thing about vaughan is that his physicality is pretty much impossible to subdue, unlike Rhodes who i suspect might run away at the mere thought of injuring himself in a 50-50 challenge. Obviously a piece of piss, hence him only scoring nigh on 100 goals in last three seasons
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 7:27:21 GMT 1
how easy was rhodes to mark out of games? (the away day at preston springs to mind.....soft fecker) thing about vaughan is that his physicality is pretty much impossible to subdue, unlike Rhodes who i suspect might run away at the mere thought of injuring himself in a 50-50 challenge. Obviously a piece of piss, hence him only scoring nigh on 100 goals in last three seasons yep. not bad for a league one marksman. suicide shame he took the money (who wouldnt?)
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2013 7:31:46 GMT 1
, that was purely put on to wind Malv up. Wouldn't expect you to see through that though. Absolute rubbish Colt. You were telling everyone to lump on and you got it wrong. downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/85687/cristiano-ronaldoSome nice league 1 headers in that Youtube clip, enjoyed that. You believe what you want, to satisfy your petty argument. Also when you can drag yourself away from your daily stalk, there are plenty Rhodes headers from the championship last season, oh and of course international. Once again you fail, but we are getting used to it.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2013 7:33:16 GMT 1
Obviously a piece of piss, hence him only scoring nigh on 100 goals in last three seasons yep. not bad for a league one marksman who scored 25 in the championship. suicide shame he took the money (who wouldnt?)
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2013 7:46:57 GMT 1
Obviously a piece of piss, hence him only scoring nigh on 100 goals in last three seasons yep. not bad for a league one marksman. suicide shame he took the money (who wouldnt?) Just like to point out that this league 1 marksman has a 67% strike rate in the championship. Ricky Lamberts was only 64% in a team that got promoted. Do you class Ricky Lambert as a League 1 marksman? as 174 of his 223 career goals were scored at league 1 level or below. Don't let pure facts cloud your judgement when making your decision.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 7:48:44 GMT 1
oh dear..... say it as you see it.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2013 8:33:25 GMT 1
oh dear..... say it as you see it. See what your saying Edited for Accuracy.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 20, 2013 8:48:21 GMT 1
Colt....its like comparing a delboy trotter van to a aston martin vanquish.. im in the van.
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Post by conman on Sept 20, 2013 8:59:20 GMT 1
Can see this pole ending up similar to the giants score last night to be honest.. Vaughan all the way for me.. Not just a goal scorer but works for the rest of the team too . Also he chose to play here over some other decent teams . The big difference in money must come into it too.. Ah yeh and those corner flag kicking goal celebrations easily outdo the finger wagging from JR
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 20, 2013 9:08:21 GMT 1
Rhodes
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 20, 2013 9:20:56 GMT 1
Well, bringing in the atmosphere thread from yesterday, Vaughan is going to get a crowd going much more than Rhodes. Rhodes contribution was huge when he was with us but I could never honestly say I looked forward to watching him. Vaughan on the other hand gets the blood racing. JV for me.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 20, 2013 9:35:10 GMT 1
people say this, but rhodes often used to pull a goal from nothing bit of a myth imo. he's scored plenty from anticipating and breaking the defence then chipping the keeper etc...not all his goals were in the box..and often when they were you'd think "most people wouldnt have made a goal from that" ...is that not "creating your own chances"? what is the definition? vayghan offers more for the team in terms of tracking back, workrate etc, but not sure how rhodes can create less chances for himself yet score more goals!! especially considering how little the rest of the team created in the promotion seasonThe assists charts say otherwise. Ward and Novak 11, Hunt 10, Roberts 8. Hunt to Rhodes in particular was a great partnership. They put the ball in the box knowing that Jordan would get on the end of it. He creates chances with his movement but without the ball being put in the right areas he wouldn't have got nearly as many goals. of course people got assists - that generally comes with scoring goals...but we weren't creating chances like the 09/10 season - rhodes was just very clinical in the promotion season "without the ball being put in the right areas he wouldn't have got nearly as many goals." well obviously..isnt that the same for any striker, including vaughan?? just dont get what vaughan does that creates chances from nothing, that rhodes didnt do. Its not like vaughan scores brilliant individual goals from picking the ball up in our own half and going on a mazy run. not a dig at vaughan - just making the point i think its a bit of a myth that rhodes was this player that only scores goals if he gets easy chances put on a plate for him..and if they wernt he would never score. he's shown it isnt true by scoring lots of goals in poor teams obviously rhodes doesnt have the pace and power that vaughan can use to score goals, which is why he is more crafty in the way he plays. he's not the quickest but plenty of times he went through the middle and left defenders for dust because of his anticipation/intelligence
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:39:47 GMT 1
Nobody's dissing Jordan, Darren (terrific player)... just think Vaughan gives us just that little bit more. Valid question posed by the OP. For me its like comparing a Ferrari and a Vauxhall at the moment. Hence one has an 8m price tag and other has a 600k. Bit harsh. Think they are both Ferraris, it's just that one has a dodgy clutch... hence their current valuations.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2013 12:00:33 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the stuff i am reading. Works harder for the team, kicking corner flags, more involvement, wears the badge with more pride. Fucks sake, a strikers role is to score goals. Who is proven at doing it the best. No Brainer.
I once had a an Alpha Romeo , looked smart, quick off the mark, bit of a bird puller. Fuckin broke down every 2 minutes and cost a fortune i fuel. Now have a Toyota Yaris, not very impressive motor, but never lets me down and cost effective.
Linekar and Shearer, boring as arsholes, Van Persie, not exactly Mr Entusiastic, would you have had Vaughan in front of any of them. Give me Honest and Hard Working in front of Flamboyant and unreliable any day.
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Post by AndySk on Sept 20, 2013 13:46:23 GMT 1
Eeee that's a tricky question. LOVE Vaughany, everything about him is top notch and he could go on to be a Town ledgend but gotta be Rhodes. Just. All about scoring and thats what JR's all about. Even if you're playing shit you just cant rule him out. I bet if we still had Rhodes and Vaughan was at Blackburn it'd be Rhodes leading this poll as well
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Post by lindleyterrier88 on Sept 20, 2013 13:57:29 GMT 1
Sorry but for me it has to be Jordan Rhodes. His fortay is putting the ball in the back of the net. The hardest thing in footbalL!
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 20, 2013 14:04:18 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the stuff i am reading. Works harder for the team, kicking corner flags, more involvement, wears the badge with more pride. Fucks sake, a strikers role is to score goals. Who is proven at doing it the best. No Brainer. I once had a an Alpha Romeo , looked smart, quick off the mark, bit of a bird puller. Fuckin broke down every 2 minutes and cost a fortune i fuel. Now have a Toyota Yaris, not very impressive motor, but never lets me down and cost effective. Linekar and Shearer, boring as arsholes, Van Persie, not exactly Mr Entusiastic, would you have had Vaughan in front of any of them. Give me Honest and Hard Working in front of Flamboyant and unreliable any day. Fuck me, Alfa's are bad enough (I know I've had one!) but I can only imagine how bad a knock off one is I love Vaughan but it's Rhodes for me, all day long. He shouldn't still be at this level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 14:20:03 GMT 1
If Premiership managers/coaches/scouts thought Rhodes could do it at that level, wouldn't someone have bought him by now? They've been looking at him long enough. And surely (let's say) £10 million is a fair price for the 20 goals many of you are convinced he'd get. What do you think is stopping them? Personally, I don't think his all round game is good enough for that level and he wouldn't get the space there to score the goals he does in the Championship. I think he would struggle... and I also think most Premiership managers agree with me. There, I've said it now.
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Post by AndySk on Sept 20, 2013 14:27:45 GMT 1
If Premiership managers/coaches/scouts thought Rhodes could do it at that level, wouldn't someone have bought him by now? They've been looking at him long enough. And surely (let's say) £10 million is a fair price for the 20 goals many of you are convinced he'd get. What do you think is stopping them? Personally, I don't think his all round game is good enough for that level and he wouldn't get the space there to score the goals he does in the Championship. I think he would struggle... and I also think most Premiership managers agree with me. There, I've said it now. Was talking about this t'other week. He's not even getting the starts for Scotland either. There's clearly something thats stopping managers taking that punt on him (like you say his all round game possibly?). Personally i still think he'd get 15 goals if played regularly in the Prem but maybe managers are wanting more than 'just' his goals if they're gonna splash £10m or so. Think he'd be worth the punt for a lower end team me'sen. His goals could easily be the difference betwen relegation and staying up in which case he'd have made that money back after 1 season. Still think he'll get his chance. Hope he does anyway.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2013 14:52:27 GMT 1
I can't believe some of the stuff i am reading. Works harder for the team, kicking corner flags, more involvement, wears the badge with more pride. Fucks sake, a strikers role is to score goals. Who is proven at doing it the best. No Brainer. I once had a an Alpha Romeo , looked smart, quick off the mark, bit of a bird puller. Fuckin broke down every 2 minutes and cost a fortune i fuel. Now have a Toyota Yaris, not very impressive motor, but never lets me down and cost effective. Linekar and Shearer, boring as arsholes, Van Persie, not exactly Mr Entusiastic, would you have had Vaughan in front of any of them. Give me Honest and Hard Working in front of Flamboyant and unreliable any day. Fuck me, Alfa's are bad enough (I know I've had one!) but I can only imagine how bad a knock off one is I love Vaughan but it's Rhodes for me, all day long. He shouldn't still be at this level. Ha ha , me and my Nato Phonetic Alphabet obsession. Suppose it gave Three Poops a chance to pounce.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 20, 2013 15:08:06 GMT 1
the premiership goalscorers now have more to their game than just scoring...Jordan is a great goalscorer no question... could he add more to his game to attract that big move??? I watched him against burnley the other week, if that's anything to go by, no he cant... I know he wouldn't score as many in the premier league so his lack of anything else may prove very expensive... Even on bad days in front of goal or games where you get little or no real chances to score you have to put in a "shift" and I think Austin proved that against us earlier on this season.. He didn't get much by way of chances but you always knew he was playing.. If Jordan could get that into his game then he will get the big move...
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 20, 2013 15:18:44 GMT 1
Can we widen the discussion to include Lambert, Vaughan and Rhodes: I'd want them in that order. Lambert brings even more to the game than Vaughan. Obviously a bit slower - but a great eye for a pass for a big centre forward. I'd take him every time.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2013 15:19:05 GMT 1
If Premiership managers/coaches/scouts thought Rhodes could do it at that level, wouldn't someone have bought him by now? They've been looking at him long enough. And surely (let's say) £10 million is a fair price for the 20 goals many of you are convinced he'd get. What do you think is stopping them? Personally, I don't think his all round game is good enough for that level and he wouldn't get the space there to score the goals he does in the Championship. I think he would struggle... and I also think most Premiership managers agree with me. There, I've said it now. But surely that is why these clubs pay fortunes out for countless backroom staff with differing job titles. A footballer isn't born over night, nor is footballing ability genetic(Alan Carr for example). Some have a natural gift others have to work that little bit harder. What Rhodes has, is a natural ability to regularly find the back of the net. If his overall game isn't up to scratch(which is up for debate) the at 23, someone should be coaching him towards getting there. The FA work of the 4 corner model. Technical, Psychological, Social and Physical, from Mini Soccer right up to the Pro game. When trying to create the perfect footballer, they look at these attributes and work on them in reverse order. No good working on your strengths, that will just be enhanced with time, but work on your weakness. This can be translated into anything in life. Why am i not a wealthy business man, i know, because i am bloody useless with money, i have no discipline, that will be Psychological then. So just to bring it back on track, if Vaughan is better than Rhodes, all round, then why would Norwich let us have him for 600k, that alone tells me, that if premier chiefs don't think Rhodes has an all round game when he would have cost 8m they certainly don't think James Vaughan does and he was less of a risk factor at a 10th of the price.
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Post by impact on Sept 20, 2013 15:39:48 GMT 1
The assists charts say otherwise. Ward and Novak 11, Hunt 10, Roberts 8. Hunt to Rhodes in particular was a great partnership. They put the ball in the box knowing that Jordan would get on the end of it. He creates chances with his movement but without the ball being put in the right areas he wouldn't have got nearly as many goals. of course people got assists - that generally comes with scoring goals...but we weren't creating chances like the 09/10 season - rhodes was just very clinical in the promotion season "without the ball being put in the right areas he wouldn't have got nearly as many goals." well obviously..isnt that the same for any striker, including vaughan?? just dont get what vaughan does that creates chances from nothing, that rhodes didnt do. Its not like vaughan scores brilliant individual goals from picking the ball up in our own half and going on a mazy run. not a dig at vaughan - just making the point i think its a bit of a myth that rhodes was this player that only scores goals if he gets easy chances put on a plate for him..and if they wernt he would never score. he's shown it isnt true by scoring lots of goals in poor teams obviously rhodes doesnt have the pace and power that vaughan can use to score goals, which is why he is more crafty in the way he plays. he's not the quickest but plenty of times he went through the middle and left defenders for dust because of his anticipation/intelligence Yeah bit of a stupid comment from me that, I meant that if he was playing in a team who hardly created anything like you suggested he wouldn't have got nearly as many goals as he did. Look at the Wycombe and Sheff Wed games. 3/9 of his goals you could say he created for himself, for the rest the balls were put on a plate for him to put in the back of the net. Of course his movement opened up the opportunities but it was Ward, Novak and Roberts who did the main work. This isn't a criticism of him, as he is one of the best in the business at what he does. As I said earlier, I would take Rhodes any day over Vaughan.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 20, 2013 15:47:24 GMT 1
>3/9 of his goals you could say he created for himself<
Think he'd get a very low % of goals like that in the Premiership - on the whole defenders just too good to allow goals like that.
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Post by mykindatown on Sept 20, 2013 15:49:04 GMT 1
Lets clarify this - people would vote for a player who stated he didnt want to play for Town no more over a player who has said he likes playing for Town - the question is who would i pick in my Town team - Duh the guy who wants to play for em as opposded to the wanna be FRISP
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