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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 31, 2013 9:47:26 GMT 1
I can accept that Lynch has probably dropped a few more prominent clangers and Gerrard is more consistent. However, he is consistent at a lower level and has less facets to his game, so would still lean significantly towards Lynch.
I actually find it similar to the Smithies v Bennett debate.
NB- this is not a dig at Gerrard; he's played well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:58:52 GMT 1
If Tommy Smith had played all season like he has done since he's come in the team it'd be him, however over the whole season Smithies has been fantastic. A couple of mistakes like any keeper but has won us so many points this season. Captainslapper, are you Anthony Gerrard or his mum? I can decide etween the two. It's no coincidence that we looked so much better and fluid on the ball after Lynch came on and Gerrard went off on Sunday. Gerrard's done well this year but for you to put him 2nd for player of the season is ridiculous. It's all about opinions mate and Slapps is entitled to his even if you don't agree with it.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 31, 2013 11:01:49 GMT 1
If Tommy Smith had played all season like he has done since he's come in the team it'd be him, however over the whole season Smithies has been fantastic. A couple of mistakes like any keeper but has won us so many points this season. Captainslapper, are you Anthony Gerrard or his mum? I can decide etween the two. It's no coincidence that we looked so much better and fluid on the ball after Lynch came on and Gerrard went off on Sunday. Gerrard's done well this year but for you to put him 2nd for player of the season is ridiculous. It's all about opinions mate and Slapps is entitled to his even if you don't agree with it.You'll do well to remember that, next time you disagree with summat I say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:23:22 GMT 1
It's all about opinions mate and Slapps is entitled to his even if you don't agree with it. You'll do well to remember that, next time you disagree with summat I say. Nah you just talk shit
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Post by Jiffrtd on Dec 31, 2013 11:56:45 GMT 1
Got to be Clayton for me. Looks class in the role he is playin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 12:28:25 GMT 1
Gerrard has done well on the whole but has had more poor moments than Lynch, you just refuse to acknowledge them when he does... Still think you have it in for Lynch a bit. Honestly, you're so wrong, he hasn't. Think its much more the case of you ignoring Lynch's bad moments and inventing ones for gerrard. Lynch has cost us FAR more goals than gerrard this season. Not got it in for Lynch at all though I accept i probably did a bit last season after hearing one or two stories about his attitude to this club and its manager ( plus how he actually performed for most of the season) Was 4th choice and rightly so and i expected robins to move him out if he could. Maybe he would have done but his wages meant it wouldn't happen. Either way, as its turned out Robins and Lynch both deserve a lot of credit for turning a very bad situation around and leaving us with the player we thought we'd get when he signed. When hes on form hes a hell of a player and hes having a great season overall. But he's still a bit of a Titus bramble IMO. Generally good but will have some bad lapses in concentration on a reasonably regular basis. Gerrards less spectacular but far more consistant and error free. Thats why i don't hold with this 'Lynch is our best defender by a mile' rubbish. Nope. You get your favourites and defend them to the death and turn a blind eye to any mistake they make. Take the goal conceded against Blackpool, Gerrard error - but you'll say it wasn't.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 12:31:37 GMT 1
Sorry pal but thats a joke surely? If thats what you've got you're just proving my point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 12:34:09 GMT 1
Sorry pal but thats a joke surely? If thats what you've got you're just proving my point. My point proven.
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Post by impact on Dec 31, 2013 12:34:26 GMT 1
Sorry pal but thats a joke surely? If thats what you've got you're just proving my point. I really don't get you. You pulled a few goals out you claimed Lynch were responsible for a while back, I pulled similar ones out for Gerrard but you rejected all of them! How is the Blackpool goal not his mistake? If he'd cleared the ball properly into touch they wouldn't have scored. Lynch and Gerrard probably have the same number of mistakes leading to goals, but Lynch has performed ta a much higher level this season overall.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:07:52 GMT 1
Honestly, you're so wrong, he hasn't. Think its much more the case of you ignoring Lynch's bad moments and inventing ones for gerrard. Lynch has cost us FAR more goals than gerrard this season. Not got it in for Lynch at all though I accept i probably did a bit last season after hearing one or two stories about his attitude to this club and its manager ( plus how he actually performed for most of the season) Was 4th choice and rightly so and i expected robins to move him out if he could. Maybe he would have done but his wages meant it wouldn't happen. Either way, as its turned out Robins and Lynch both deserve a lot of credit for turning a very bad situation around and leaving us with the player we thought we'd get when he signed. When hes on form hes a hell of a player and hes having a great season overall. But he's still a bit of a Titus bramble IMO. Generally good but will have some bad lapses in concentration on a reasonably regular basis. Gerrards less spectacular but far more consistant and error free. Thats why i don't hold with this 'Lynch is our best defender by a mile' rubbish. Nope. You get your favourites and defend them to the death and turn a blind eye to any mistake they make. Take the goal conceded against Blackpool, Gerrard error - but you'll say it wasn't. You can add Leicester away and Ipswich away to that list too
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 13:11:51 GMT 1
If Tommy Smith had played all season like he has done since he's come in the team it'd be him, however over the whole season Smithies has been fantastic. A couple of mistakes like any keeper but has won us so many points this season. Captainslapper, are you Anthony Gerrard or his mum? I can decide etween the two. It's no coincidence that we looked so much better and fluid on the ball after Lynch came on and Gerrard went off on Sunday. Gerrard's done well this year but for you to put him 2nd for player of the season is ridiculous. Yes Im his mum. Obviously. I go for consistency when thinking of POTS and gerrards been right up there alongside hammill, only bettered by Smithies. The first things that happened when Lynch replaced Gerrard in that game was that Lynch gave away a pen with a very clumsy challenge, then a few minutes later hit his own post whilst trying to cut out a cross. but then he settled into the game and had a great second half. Are you blaming Gerrard for the whole team looking more fluid on the ball?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:13:47 GMT 1
Sorry pal but thats a joke surely? If thats what you've got you're just proving my point. Come off it Slapps, your better than this. How is that goal not Gerrard's fault? If your going to nitpick at mistakes Lynch has made then why shouldn't folk nitpick at mistakes Gerrard has made? There's been plenty of them. Personally I'd rather there was no nitpicking at all.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 13:18:45 GMT 1
Sorry pal but thats a joke surely? If thats what you've got you're just proving my point. My point proven. Seriously? We're not going to agree on who's point is being proven either then are we, because as far as I can see thats all a bit laughable if its the best you can come up with. What did you think of Yeovils goal the other day? Impressed by Lynch's defending for that one? Have a look what happens when the ball gets played back into the box after Smithies initial punch. Id guess if gerrard had put in a challenge like that you'd have had something to say, but as its Lynch ( our best defender by miles) , it hasn't registered.
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Post by AndySk on Dec 31, 2013 13:18:47 GMT 1
Clayton for me. It's a fallacy that he was poor right up until Sheffield Wednesday. He was occasionally poor, but never in this world was he poor all season up to that point. Somebody says it on here enough and then it becomes like the Emperor's new clothes. Poor by his own standards, maybe... but them's some standards! Nah he was poor(ish). Even got dropped to the bench before the bust up.
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Post by AndySk on Dec 31, 2013 13:23:21 GMT 1
Lynch our best defender this season, though that could be Smith by the end! Fair play to Gerrard beeen a massive improvement and had a good one but JL for me
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 13:23:29 GMT 1
Sorry pal but thats a joke surely? If thats what you've got you're just proving my point. Come off it Slapps, your better than this. How is that goal not Gerrard's fault? If your going to nitpick at mistakes Lynch has made then why shouldn't folk nitpick at mistakes Gerrard has made? There's been plenty of them. Personally I'd rather there was no nitpicking at all. Im sure theres a argument that he should have booted it away harder when he dispossesed the lad with the ball so it wouldn't drop to his team mate, but hes clearly off balance and just trying to get the ball away from the man who had it . But its hardly an obvious blunder is it and a lot of play happens befiore a goal is scored FFS If thats the best people can come up with to knock gerrard its laughable and says more about peoples desperation to prove a point even though its clearly wrong. IMO of course.
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Post by impact on Dec 31, 2013 13:26:15 GMT 1
Seriously? We're not going to agree on who's point is being proven either then are we, because as far as I can see thats all a bit laughable if its the best you can come up with. What did you think of Yeovils goal the other day? Impressed by Lynch's defending for that one? Have a look what happens when the ball gets played back into the box after Smithies initial punch. Id guess if gerrard had put in a challenge like that you'd have had something to say, but as its Lynch ( our best defender by miles) , it hasn't registered. Not the best punch in the world by Smithies but it should have been enough, a couple of people were outjumped and Lynch lost his man. I don't think anyone is arguing that Lynch doesn't make mistakes, but Gerrard makes just as many. He gets away with a few more (ie don't lead to goals) due to being flanked by at least 1 and recently 2 quick players.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 13:30:28 GMT 1
Lynch got wrong side of his man then just stood watching him taking a free shot at goal from 6 yards without putting in any sort of challenge at all. But by all means share the blame around if its a criticism of our best defender by miles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:35:59 GMT 1
Lynch got wrong side of his man then just stood watching him taking a free shot at goal from 6 yards without putting in any sort of challenge at all. But by all means share the blame around if its a criticism of our best defender by miles. This is the point, I and others are making. You don't judge them by the same standards. If Gerrard makes a mistake, you won't accept it. If Lynch makes one, you're on his back micro analysing it and calling it a howler, whilst referring to him as a Titus Bramble figure. No one is saying that either are perfect. Both have had decent season, it's just that Lynch has been better than Gerrard for 99% of people bar you Anyway - isn't it nice that we can argue who's better than who's worse. Makes a nice change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:39:31 GMT 1
Seriously? We're not going to agree on who's point is being proven either then are we, because as far as I can see thats all a bit laughable if its the best you can come up with. What did you think of Yeovils goal the other day? Impressed by Lynch's defending for that one? Have a look what happens when the ball gets played back into the box after Smithies initial punch. Id guess if gerrard had put in a challenge like that you'd have had something to say, but as its Lynch ( our best defender by miles) , it hasn't registered. Actually I chalked that goal down Smithies, punched a ball that was well within catching distance
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:40:25 GMT 1
Clayton for me. It's a fallacy that he was poor right up until Sheffield Wednesday. He was occasionally poor, but never in this world was he poor all season up to that point. Somebody says it on here enough and then it becomes like the Emperor's new clothes. Poor by his own standards, maybe... but them's some standards! Nah he was poor(ish). Even got dropped to the bench before the bust up. So his form dipped for a few games... doesn't equate to 'all season'. He's damn good, Andy. If he was perfect and never lost form he'd be playing in The Premier league and he would have cost us about six million quid.
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Post by AndySk on Dec 31, 2013 13:48:00 GMT 1
Nah he was poor(ish). Even got dropped to the bench before the bust up. So his form dipped for a few games... doesn't equate to 'all season'. He's damn good, Andy. If he was perfect and never lost form he'd be playing in The Premier league and he would have cost us about six million quid. He's better than damn good!! He had a fair few poor uns and we have had others who have been more consistent throughout the season (since we are picking the player of half the season). Been unbelievably good last couple of months tho. An absolute joy to watch
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 13:52:41 GMT 1
Pot and kettle mate. Micro analysing is that tenuous attempt to blame gerrard for that Blackpool goal. I don't think the same applies to the Yeovil goal, its hardly micro analysing it to spot the poor defending.
Titus bramble could be a great defender- thats why he played at such a high level for years under so many different managers. But he was prone to lapses in concentration just like Lynch and lacked consistency, just like Lynch. Not a lack of consistency in runs of games but in individual games. Just his last 3 appearances for us illustrate it well. We've had near own goals, clumsy fouls giving away pens, silly red cards and half asleep defending whilst we concede but OVERALL hes played well and done some great things.
At his best hes better then gerrard. He has more pace ( which is vital) and is more 'spectacular' if you like. But gerrard is more consistent, better in the air ( which is also vital) and makes FAR FEWER errors. Depends what you look for most in a player I suppose to who you prefer.
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Post by terrier1987cas on Dec 31, 2013 15:08:39 GMT 1
1) Hammill 2) Smithies 3) Vaughan
Don't understand why Clayton is getting so many votes, presumably his recent form is blinding people of his consistently very average performances up until recently.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 31, 2013 15:20:17 GMT 1
1) Hammill 2) Smithies 3) Vaughan Don't understand why Clayton is getting so many votes, presumably his recent form is blinding people of his consistently very average performances up until recently. Agree. At the moment hes our best player. No doubt about that IMO. But taking this season as a whole Im also surprised hes getting so many votes. He was average-poor up until his little rumble with paterson.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 15:32:45 GMT 1
My half time player of the year has to be Ian Bennett, he hasn't missed one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 16:03:50 GMT 1
1) Hammill 2) Smithies 3) Vaughan Don't understand why Clayton is getting so many votes, presumably his recent form is blinding people of his consistently very average performances up until recently. Agree. At the moment hes our best player. No doubt about that IMO. But taking this season as a whole Im also surprised hes getting so many votes. He was average-poor up until his little rumble with paterson. Since growing a beard, spending a game in the away end, and being dropped deep he's become a whole new player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 16:35:01 GMT 1
1) Hammill 2) Smithies 3) Vaughan Don't understand why Clayton is getting so many votes, presumably his recent form is blinding people of his consistently very average performances up until recently. Agree. At the moment hes our best player. No doubt about that IMO. But taking this season as a whole Im also surprised hes getting so many votes. He was average-poor up until his little rumble with paterson. Unlike the constant weekly magnificence that has been Anthony 'Franco Baresi' Gerrard! (wink wink).
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Post by impact on Dec 31, 2013 16:42:51 GMT 1
Pot and kettle mate. Micro analysing is that tenuous attempt to blame gerrard for that Blackpool goal. I don't think the same applies to the Yeovil goal, its hardly micro analysing it to spot the poor defending. Titus bramble could be a great defender- thats why he played at such a high level for years under so many different managers. But he was prone to lapses in concentration just like Lynch and lacked consistency, just like Lynch. Not a lack of consistency in runs of games but in individual games. Just his last 3 appearances for us illustrate it well. We've had near own goals, clumsy fouls giving away pens, silly red cards and half asleep defending whilst we concede but OVERALL hes played well and done some great things. At his best hes better then gerrard. He has more pace ( which is vital) and is more 'spectacular' if you like. But gerrard is more consistent, better in the air ( which is also vital) and makes FAR FEWER errors. Depends what you look for most in a player I suppose to who you prefer. So let me get this straight, a defender dives in, barely touches the ball and the opposition run though as score but it's not the defender's fault, yet when a defender marks his man but loses out aerially because the other player is a lot taller than him and uses him to get up it's a bad mistake from the defender? For every 'mistake' Lynch has made, Gerrard has made similar ones. The difference is Lynch has made up for other people's mistakes by covering over, whereas Gerrard very rarely does. For example, with Beckford's miss at Bolton, both Smith and Lynch were back to put pressure on him and immediately after he shot both turned around and blasted Gerrard for losing him. Gerrard is better in the air but apart from that Lynch is better in every department - pace, tackling, passing, running with the ball and reading of the game.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 31, 2013 16:59:11 GMT 1
>Gerrard is better in the air but apart from that Lynch is better in every department - pace, tackling, passing, running with the ball and reading of the game< You have to mention all departments for a proper comparison - what about the barmy spell department?
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