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Post by stevvy on Oct 6, 2014 10:16:28 GMT 1
Conflicting reports re whether he's breathing unaided or not. However, I've also seen pics of the car and it does look terrible. Sutil has said Bianchi went into the tractor side on. Either way, looking at the damage to the car and given what happened, he's extremely lucky to be alive at this point (he's not out of the woods yet but we could easily have been looking at an instant death).
A completely freakish accident that happens very very rarely (1994, same corner, Martin Brundle missed a tractor but hit a marshal which broke his leg, also 2007 in Germany Tonio Liuzzi spun off, nearly hit the safety car and the rear of his car gently touched a tractor wheel). Very rare, very unlucky that it happened, but really the only thing that matters is that he recovers. If he can get in a racing car again, however far into the future that is, then great, but for now the focus just has to be on him recovering and hopefully having no long term issues.
Watching it, then seeing the pictures and hearing what'd happened, it was difficult not to fear the worst, but hopefully he'll survive and recover. Must admit I did wonder why they showed Sutil's car being craned away 2 laps after we'd already seen the tractor come out to collect him as normally you see the incident and then don't see them moving the car out of the way, then got more worried when they showed the Sauber and Marussia pits rather than anything on track.
Not in the least bit surprised that no official video footage of the crash has been released publicly though (it will have been caught on camera).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 10:25:45 GMT 1
Conflicting reports re whether he's breathing unaided or not. However, I've also seen pics of the car and it does look terrible. Sutil has said Bianchi went into the tractor side on. Either way, looking at the damage to the car and given what happened, he's extremely lucky to be alive at this point (he's not out of the woods yet but we could easily have been looking at an instant death). A completely freakish accident that happens very very rarely (1994, same corner, Martin Brundle missed a tractor but hit a marshal which broke his leg, also 2007 in Germany Tonio Liuzzi spun off, nearly hit the safety car and the rear of his car gently touched a tractor wheel). Very rare, very unlucky that it happened, but really the only thing that matters is that he recovers. If he can get in a racing car again, however far into the future that is, then great, but for now the focus just has to be on him recovering and hopefully having no long term issues. Watching it, then seeing the pictures and hearing what'd happened, it was difficult not to fear the worst, but hopefully he'll survive and recover. Must admit I did wonder why they showed Sutil's car being craned away 2 laps after we'd already seen the tractor come out to collect him as normally you see the incident and then don't see them moving the car out of the way, then got more worried when they showed the Sauber and Marussia pits rather than anything on track. Not in the least bit surprised that no official video footage of the crash has been released publicly though (it will have been caught on camera).That's nothing to do with taste, it's all about protecting the brand. Apparently they confiscated some fan footage at the turnstile. Some of the photos flying around are bad enough though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 11:54:52 GMT 1
If you ever get a chance to see that F1 documentary about the 'death years' or something then do so...
No-one should be surprised that F1 is just a money making machine...
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Post by swissterrier on Oct 6, 2014 12:49:14 GMT 1
If you ever get a chance to see that F1 documentary about the 'death years' or something then do so... No-one should be surprised that F1 is just a money making machine... Think you mean "Grand Prix: The Killer Years" But equally valid is the documentary on Senna....
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 6, 2014 13:25:08 GMT 1
Think you mean "" But equally valid is the documentary on Senna.... 2 superb documentaries. Grand Prix: The Killer Years is shown on BBC4 from time to time. Very graphic, but a real eye-opener.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:15:44 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 6, 2014 19:28:40 GMT 1
That is horrific, formula one has a lot to answer for!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:31:18 GMT 1
Wow, Speechless at that footage, I really do hope he pulls through, I can't believe how much it moves the JCB and how much he appears to go underneath it, A few years ago that would have taken his head clean off, The safety in the sport is superb, But they do need to stop putting these stupid big tractors out to recover cars until they have slowed down enough under Safety car situations, This can't be allowed to happen again.
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Post by hd2terrier on Oct 6, 2014 19:32:46 GMT 1
Jesus christ how lucky is bianchi to be alive? Frightening
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:34:44 GMT 1
That is horrific, formula one has a lot to answer for! It is awful what has happened & can not be allowed to happen again, But lets not forget that alot of the safety improvements in F1 especially since senna died have now been implemented in every day road cars, So yes F1 has got alot to answer for and be thankful for.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 6, 2014 19:40:25 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:47:07 GMT 1
If that JCB had managed to reverse a foot further back he'd be a goner.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 6, 2014 19:49:21 GMT 1
Yup, fairly sure that's where the engine block would be too.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 6, 2014 19:49:45 GMT 1
If that JCB had managed to reverse a foot further back he'd be a goner. It's a wonder he isn't, that's horrific Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by buckers on Oct 6, 2014 20:26:38 GMT 1
I'm amazed he's still alive. If he makes it through he is one very lucky bloke.
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Post by swissterrier on Oct 7, 2014 9:17:24 GMT 1
So let me get this straight, not only did they refuse to run the race earlier in the day when the weather conditions were shown to be suitable for racing, they didn't deploy the safety car when an earlier crashed vehicle was obviously in a dangerous position. GG....
Good job for the organisers etc this wasn't in Italy...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 9:28:46 GMT 1
Apparently was doing 110mph when he hit that tractor!!
Does make you wonder how much he lifted at that point though under the waved yellows? Would bianchi have already passed the crashed car the lap before as well, so would have known there was an incident at that corner, as well as the pit crew warning him of the danger over the radio?
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Post by worksop1 on Oct 7, 2014 9:59:33 GMT 1
What's the Marshall on the gantry waving a green flag for? Total incompetence should never have happened
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Post by buckers on Oct 7, 2014 10:16:37 GMT 1
What's the Marshall on the gantry waving a green flag for? Total incompetence should never have happened Yeah I noticed that as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 10:32:15 GMT 1
What's the Marshall on the gantry waving a green flag for? Total incompetence should never have happened Yeah I noticed that as well Technically, he's after the incident, so the track is clear from that point on. He was right under the rules to it, although it's something that needs looking at.
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Post by buckers on Oct 7, 2014 10:44:39 GMT 1
Yeah I noticed that as well Technically, he's after the incident, so the track is clear from that point on. He was right under the rules to it, although it's something that needs looking at. So the safety car didn't go out till Bianchi hit the tractor?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 10:59:47 GMT 1
Technically, he's after the incident, so the track is clear from that point on. He was right under the rules to it, although it's something that needs looking at. So the safety car didn't go out till Bianchi hit the tractor? No, they were racing as far as I know. The waved yellows in the accident area is to tell the drivers to slow down, no overtaking etc, after the crash, the Marshall in the tower is indicating the drivers can race again. Safety car should surely have been deployed before the tractor was allowed to recover the other car? Somebody has dropped a massive bollock there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 11:34:03 GMT 1
That race should never ever have gone ahead.
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Post by buckers on Oct 7, 2014 11:36:56 GMT 1
So the safety car didn't go out till Bianchi hit the tractor? No, they were racing as far as I know. The waved yellows in the accident area is to tell the drivers to slow down, no overtaking etc, after the crash, the Marshall in the tower is indicating the drivers can race again. Safety car should surely have been deployed before the tractor was allowed to recover the other car? Somebody has dropped a massive bollock there. Yeah I thought that's what had happened, that the safety car had been deployed after Sutil went off. Obviously not, I know it's a bit of a freak accident, but had the safety car come out straight away espically considering the conditions at the time it could well have been avoided. I know it doesn't matter at a time like this but Hamilton put on a masterclass in wet weather driving on Sunday.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2014 12:50:14 GMT 1
That is horrific, formula one has a lot to answer for! It is awful what has happened & can not be allowed to happen again, But lets not forget that alot of the safety improvements in F1 especially since senna died have now been implemented in every day road cars, So yes F1 has got alot to answer for and be thankful for. Formula 1 is practically a safe sport these days. People die surfing, playing squash, climbing, kayacking ,playing rugby, boxing, playing golf, sailing, etc etc etc All those sports could only dream about a death/serious injury record like F1 has had over the past 20 years.
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Post by terrier17 on Oct 7, 2014 13:07:14 GMT 1
That race should never ever have gone ahead. I have to disagree! There has been far worse conditions in the past and when the drivers were asked regarding the conditions all of them said it was safe to drive in once it was ready to race. The issue is the safety car and bringing it in too early. With a car off the track and the rain coming down heavy it had to stay out.
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Post by stevvy on Oct 7, 2014 13:45:18 GMT 1
Just to cover a couple of points raised.
The track conditions were fine generally throughout the race (after the first red flag they had a good hour or so with no rain so the track was drying out) and the main issue at the end was the light and the rain. Also earlier in the day it'd poured down so the whole 'it should've started earlier' argument can only be applied to the light.
The green flag was shown when the tractor was in effect 'behind' that marshals post, at the point the green was waved, nobody was in front of that post so the green flag was correct. Also it's totally normal for tractors to come out and clear cars without the SC being out. However I expect this to change sooner rather than later.
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Post by htfc1908 on Oct 7, 2014 13:57:12 GMT 1
The conditions themselves weren't that bad as 90% of the field were running on intermediates (including Bianchi) not full wets
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 7, 2014 14:27:33 GMT 1
a good percentage of F1 races had become merely a procession. Id suggest that the organisation would have been made up after the Hamilton/rosberg fall out because it added the competitive edge that has been missing. The crash would have just added to the 'danger and allure' of racing cars very fast had it not been for the serious injury. Its a fine line between 'excitement and peril'...
If they ever take away all the clear and obvious dangers of driving cars very fast then the 'interest' would wane to some tune.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 7, 2014 16:07:28 GMT 1
Apparently he has suffered a devastating diffuse axonal injury! So sad :/
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