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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 14:50:11 GMT 1
How people calculate that Clayton is worth 1 million plus is beyond me. 750k at best given he has a year left on his contract, this is a big bargaining tool is the little time left on the contract. If we get 750k for him it would be excellent business. Well we have allegedly already turned down £1 mill and allegedly Boro are looking to return with offer of £1.5 mill and in other news Fulham paid £11 mill for McCormack, was he worth that. Ultimately any player is only worth what any other club are prepared to pay. People's estimation of worth mean nothing
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Clayton
Jul 14, 2014 15:03:38 GMT 1
Post by ritchie on Jul 14, 2014 15:03:38 GMT 1
How people calculate that Clayton is worth 1 million plus is beyond me. 750k at best given he has a year left on his contract, this is a big bargaining tool is the little time left on the contract. If we get 750k for him it would be excellent business. given we've apparently rejected at least 1m, it would hardly be excellent business.
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Jul 14, 2014 15:17:33 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2014 15:17:33 GMT 1
How people calculate that Clayton is worth 1 million plus is beyond me. 750k at best given he has a year left on his contract, this is a big bargaining tool is the little time left on the contract. If we get 750k for him it would be excellent business. given we've apparently rejected at least 1m, it would hardly be excellent business. AR has a point.. He is 6 months nearer the end of his contract than he was when we turned down 1m
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 14, 2014 15:20:40 GMT 1
How people calculate that Clayton is worth 1 million plus is beyond me. 750k at best given he has a year left on his contract, this is a big bargaining tool is the little time left on the contract. If we get 750k for him it would be excellent business. given we've apparently rejected at least 1m, it would hardly be excellent business. This is all getting a bit Monty Python. Middlesborough: "We'll offer you £1 million for him". Town: "You've gotta be joking - we're not going to take a penny over £750,000"!
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Jul 14, 2014 15:37:11 GMT 1
Post by townatheart on Jul 14, 2014 15:37:11 GMT 1
given we've apparently rejected at least 1m, it would hardly be excellent business. AR has a point.. He is 6 months nearer the end of his contract than he was when we turned down 1m it only is a valid point IF Boro's offer that was rejected was in fact NOT for 1M as widely reported, and IF the improved offer is NOT a larger figure than the original 1M. so only if the reports are incorrect (which is certainly a possibility), than sorry but AT is missing the point by a long ways. or am I missing something in his statement?
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Jul 14, 2014 15:48:36 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 15:48:36 GMT 1
given we've apparently rejected at least 1m, it would hardly be excellent business. AR has a point.. He is 6 months nearer the end of his contract than he was when we turned down 1m Think we turned down £1m out of hand because its about a third of his value as the club saw it at that time. If Boro want him they'll have to cough up £2m but think there'll be other clubs watching the situation closely and lets face it, Middlesbro isn't exactly a attractive move other than the money they're offering. They don't look like a club thats going anywhere fast.
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Jul 14, 2014 16:09:29 GMT 1
Post by ritchie on Jul 14, 2014 16:09:29 GMT 1
given we've apparently rejected at least 1m, it would hardly be excellent business. AR has a point.. He is 6 months nearer the end of his contract than he was when we turned down 1m I'm talking about the reported bid this window, hence why they are now apparently ready to come in with a higher bid
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Jul 14, 2014 16:41:08 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 14, 2014 16:41:08 GMT 1
oggie just reported that boro have come back with a cash offer of 1.5 million.. not confirmed by either club but the reporter from radio teeside was pretty convinced its happened. he couldn't explain where boro were getting the money from but thinks they will buy 5/6 players and take the transfer embargo in January..
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Jul 14, 2014 16:47:45 GMT 1
Post by Olliewise on Jul 14, 2014 16:47:45 GMT 1
Apparently Boro are making clayton their number 1 transfer target, but I really don't want him to go...he seriously is just too good to leave us... :/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 16:51:03 GMT 1
Apparently Boro are making clayton their number 1 transfer target, but I really don't want him to go...he seriously is just too good to leave us... :/ he seriously isn't that good Sent from my GT-I9305 using proboards
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Jul 14, 2014 16:54:42 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 14, 2014 16:54:42 GMT 1
I think he's very good, cracking player but money talks.....
Can see Deano sticking out for Over 2 mill then he will go IMO.....
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Jul 14, 2014 17:24:57 GMT 1
Post by patfield on Jul 14, 2014 17:24:57 GMT 1
Id want 6k for my car was I to sell it but id accept 4.5k. I can see us selling Clayton for £1.5m, I think this is a good deal to a player in his last year if he had signed a new 3 year deal id want £4m for him.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 14, 2014 17:31:00 GMT 1
Fact is - if you want to get in better players that require more money that money has to come from somewhere. I say take the Clayton money now as he will leave for free in a year. If that helps us to get Pritchard that is a cracking deal IMO.
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Jul 14, 2014 17:33:06 GMT 1
Post by patfield on Jul 14, 2014 17:33:06 GMT 1
Welcome borofan, Clayton imo is a very good player not excellent but very good. Personally I think he will move to you guys for the right price/deal. Whether we like it or not (And this will annoy some on here) we are a selling club. Our ethos (In general) is to buy players we can enhance and sell on for a tasty profit. Clayton fits that bill and to see Butterfield coming the other way as part of the deal plus £1m I would take it. I think boro are a bigger club than Town and will probably end up higher than us next season. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, but why use this daft description of a 'selling club'. Does the fact we bought Wells and Lolley make us a 'buying club'?! In all seriousness, we are no more a selling club than most out there; if anything our strong foundations mean we do not have to sell, rather we just will do when we feel it's a good deal and we can fill the void. With due respect I just cant agree with you condescending. I believe we do sell to strengthen our future. Nothing wrong with being a selling club if you keep on making a profit on players. At the end of the day football is now a business. Depends what your definition of a selling club is I suppose. Like I said nothing wrong with the way we are operating or our ethos, in fact imo in our current position its a wise long term view. If someone bid for the aforementioned Wells or Lolley and offered a good increase in their market value I reckon we would sell. Just my opinion mate.
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Post by patfield on Jul 14, 2014 17:35:49 GMT 1
Apparently Boro are making clayton their number 1 transfer target, but I really don't want him to go ...he seriously is just too good to leave us... :/Don't know if anyone has told you Ollie but we are no Barcelona.
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Post by canuckterrier on Jul 14, 2014 17:41:27 GMT 1
Apparently Boro are making clayton their number 1 transfer target, but I really don't want him to go ...he seriously is just too good to leave us... :/Don't know if anyone has told you Ollie but we are no Barcelona. Sadly, neither is Barcelona these days
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Jul 14, 2014 17:45:26 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 14, 2014 17:45:26 GMT 1
There is obviously a problem with the balance of our central midfield. We need to change at least one of them. I'd rather see Norwood or Hogg replaced by someone with a bit of strength, quality and power. Say like that George Thorne at Derby/WBA (note I say like him). It would be a shame if Clayton left but he is not irreplaceable.
Could Boro throw the fat lad in as makeweight - Tomlinson? £1mm to 1.5mm + Tomlinson would be a great deal for Clayton.
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Clayton
Jul 14, 2014 18:03:36 GMT 1
Post by dewsburyborn on Jul 14, 2014 18:03:36 GMT 1
oggie just reported that boro have come back with a cash offer of 1.5 million.. not confirmed by either club but the reporter from radio teeside was pretty convinced its happened. he couldn't explain where boro were getting the money from but thinks they will buy 5/6 players and take the transfer embargo in January.. does anyone know if his former club had a sell-on clause when we bought him ?
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Jul 14, 2014 18:06:20 GMT 1
Post by patfield on Jul 14, 2014 18:06:20 GMT 1
Think you mean Tomlin, Lee Tomlin. Ive always liked Tomlin even though he played for that tin pot club that we wont mention. He only just signed for Boro in Feb didn't he?
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Jul 14, 2014 18:06:21 GMT 1
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 18:06:21 GMT 1
AR has a point.. He is 6 months nearer the end of his contract than he was when we turned down 1m Think we turned down £1m out of hand because its about a third of his value as the club saw it at that time. If Boro want him they'll have to cough up £2m but think there'll be other clubs watching the situation closely and lets face it, Middlesbro isn't exactly a attractive move other than the money they're offering. They don't look like a club thats going anywhere fast. I'm trying not to piss my pants laughing at this, I've read some guff on here, some of it written by me but 2 million pound for Clayton? If Middlesbrough pay 2 million quid for a player they can have for 500k in January, if not less, they are as daft as your statement. I'll be grudgingly admit you talk some sense on her at times but 2 million quid for Clayton is just pure nonsense, although to be fair, your not the only one talking daft on this thread. As for Middlesbrough not being an attractive proposition, do you expect Town to finish above them?
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Jul 14, 2014 18:10:58 GMT 1
Post by patfield on Jul 14, 2014 18:10:58 GMT 1
I think its a matter of when not if he goes. I still reckon we will accept £1.5m for him and agree with ART that we will not get what some people on here are expecting, We paid less than half a million for him . Do people really believe that a guy in the last year of his contract will cost a club 4 million, I think some people are suffering sun stroke from the weekend. Nurse !!!
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Jul 14, 2014 18:14:17 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:14:17 GMT 1
Boro have just paid £45K for a sandpit. If they can afford or are daft enough to pay that much for a hole full of sand, then they can pay over the odds for Clayton if they want him.
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Jul 14, 2014 18:15:04 GMT 1
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He's a goner, just hope we've someone decent lined up to replace him
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Jul 14, 2014 18:17:38 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:17:38 GMT 1
it's a sellers market. if they offer the right money for dean then maybe but we dont need to sell. or do we?
If he goes to middlesbro then he's got one thing to look forward to......Nothing. But hey ho it's a short career......
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Jul 14, 2014 18:18:28 GMT 1
Post by borofan on Jul 14, 2014 18:18:28 GMT 1
Just seen this quote in the gazette; The deal will enable Steve Gibson to invest further in the squad with at least one more forward expected to come in, possibly before the week is out.
Boro should also tie up a deal for Huddersfield’s Adam Clayton and they are pursuing options at right-back.
Sounds like a deal might be closer than we thought. We have just somehow got 2 million for jukiewicz so thats where the money is coming from
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Jul 14, 2014 18:30:31 GMT 1
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 14, 2014 18:30:31 GMT 1
If the money Is right then Clayton will go, we may as well cash in if he's not going to sign a contract. As long as the money is reinvested back into the squad as we will need a good replacement.
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Jul 14, 2014 18:30:40 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 18:30:40 GMT 1
Boro made a loss of 18.5 million in the 2012/13 season and nett debt taken out by Gibson is now in the region of 80.9 million also i very much doubt that this debt will be paid off unless Boro reach the premier league . If Boro or any other championship club fail to comply with the fair play rules then they will recieve a transfer embargo from jan 2015 and will also pay a fair play tax of which rules that only Harry Redknapp can explain . As for Clayton , he is good value in todays market at 1.5 million but i feel Boros poor squad means they will have to break the bank to put a potential premier league team together and god help them if they fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:31:38 GMT 1
Just seen this quote in the gazette; The deal will enable Steve Gibson to invest further in the squad with at least one more forward expected to come in, possibly before the week is out. Boro should also tie up a deal for Huddersfield’s Adam Clayton and they are pursuing options at right-back. Sounds like a deal might be closer than we thought. We have just somehow got 2 million for jukiewicz so thats where the money is coming from If Jokeawicz went for £2 million Clayton is worth £140 million.
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Jul 14, 2014 18:33:06 GMT 1
Post by borofan on Jul 14, 2014 18:33:06 GMT 1
Boro made a loss of 18.5 million in the 2012/13 season and nett debt taken out by Gibson is now in the region of 80.9 million also i very much doubt that this debt will be paid off unless Boro reach the premier league . If Boro or any other championship club fail to comply with the fair play rules then they will recieve a transfer embargo from jan 2015 and will also pay a fair play tax of which Harry Redknapp might be able to explain better . seem to remember something at the time of them figures coming out that the debt had been written off by the owner, we were effectively debt free. we did have to make huge cuts to the budget for the last few years but I would assume were just about inline with FFP, we were at the end of last season anyway
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Post by royrace on Jul 14, 2014 18:33:57 GMT 1
How people calculate that Clayton is worth 1 million plus is beyond me. 750k at best given he has a year left on his contract, this is a big bargaining tool is the little time left on the contract. If we get 750k for him it would be excellent business. You seem to be missing the fact that he may sign a new deal with us. If he has said that is a non starter then your conclusion is correct and he's a depreciating asset. If not there is every chance we can tie him to a new contract thus securing his value. Times like this the bosman ruling is very silly, must a nightmare for clubs to deal with especially if you have a dishonest player or agent deal with, hopefully that's the case with Clayton comes across a decent lad, no idea about agent though. So yes if he has said he won't sign his value is impacted, if there a decent chance he will the impact his value will be much less and it's more about who wants him most and whether wants it. You say 750k at best but if we can't replace him I would argue it would be worth risking losing that fee to keep him in a town shirt this season. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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