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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 24, 2014 19:34:08 GMT 1
Town were competing in the top flight against the likes of Man Utd , Liverpool ,Chealsea and L--ds and believe me, town fans were well feared and a notorious group of supporters from all walkes of life. The 70s toe to toe mass brawl with L--ds on Leeds road sticks out in my mind as this was a pre match friendy that got totally out of hand and resulted in over 300 fans being arrested . Sounds crazy.todays hooligans are nothing compared to the 70s. Yes but in them days we classed it as a bit of innocent violence from both sides and a pre match scrap was part of football as we knew it
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Post by yanfan on Jul 24, 2014 19:44:36 GMT 1
It serves them right--There were probably women and children in the area and other citizens who would be frightened.However it is easy to get into trouble when you don't want it.It happened to me at Coventry season before last when a guy in his thirties who was with his wife and son who was around 8 year old had a go at me simply because I was a Town fan.He was a coward as I was 58 then and with my daughter.However I did defend myself and he ended up looking like the idiot he was But if that had been on cctv there is a possibility that I could have been sent to prison for simply protecting myself--There's no way that you can account for idiots like him when attending a football match with my daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 19:56:04 GMT 1
Can't do the time don't do the crime
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Post by terrierng on Jul 24, 2014 19:57:02 GMT 1
Did you read it properly, ? One guy, by the prosecutions own statement was seen backing away and didnt throw a punch...he helped drag someone to the ground but then backed off, yet got jail.no previous convictions for anything ....would that happen to anyone else away from football. ..say the lad did what he did in the town on a friday night, would he get jail, if the answer is no then why is the law different for football fans? The other kid with the convictions and who WAS kicking and punching can have no complaints.
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Post by shray on Jul 24, 2014 20:02:25 GMT 1
It serves them right--There were probably women and children in the area and other citizens who would be frightened.However it is easy to get into trouble when you don't want it.It happened to me at Coventry season before last when a guy in his thirties who was with his wife and son who was around 8 year old had a go at me simply because I was a Town fan.He was a coward as I was 58 then and with my daughter.However I did defend myself and he ended up looking like the idiot he was But if that had been on cctv there is a possibility that I could have been sent to prison for simply protecting myself--There's no way that you can account for idiots like him when attending a football match with my daughter. so does it serve them right or not then ? That copper has been found guilty and fined..... !!! He was clearly bang to rights but gets away with a fine in a magistrates court. If he'd got behind the wheel he could have killed somebody but because of the intervention of the victim this thankfully didn't happen. The whole legal system is totally inequitable. Lads having a "scrap" with other likeminded lads does not justify a prison sentence.....fact. How many people on here have had a few beers and ended in a some sort of fight ? Tying football to it doesn't make it any more serious......its bullshit and the system is not fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 20:28:46 GMT 1
He had a choice that day and he got involved. Silly boy. Didn't think through his association with known trouble makers. I wonder how many of the rest of the group have previous?
In my eyes they are just as bad as the Batley 4. No place for it anymore.
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Post by terriermcd on Jul 24, 2014 20:33:43 GMT 1
Did you read it properly, ? One guy, by the prosecutions own statement was seen backing away and didnt throw a punch...he helped drag someone to the ground but then backed off, yet got jail.no previous convictions for anything ....would that happen to anyone else away from football. ..say the lad did what he did in the town on a friday night, would he get jail, if the answer is no then why is the law different for football fans? The other kid with the convictions and who WAS kicking and punching can have no complaints. It's called joint enterprise. So even if he didn't kick , punch or whatever he was there and did get involved by dragging person to ground.
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Post by terrierng on Jul 24, 2014 20:34:50 GMT 1
Did you read it properly, ? One guy, by the prosecutions own statement was seen backing away and didnt throw a punch...he helped drag someone to the ground but then backed off, yet got jail.no previous convictions for anything ....would that happen to anyone else away from football. ..say the lad did what he did in the town on a friday night, would he get jail, if the answer is no then why is the law different for football fans? The other kid with the convictions and who WAS kicking and punching can have no complaints. It's called joint enterprise. So even if he didn't kick , punch or whatever he was there and did get involved by dragging person to ground. Would he get jail for it away from a football match though?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 24, 2014 20:44:23 GMT 1
Hmmmmm, He coaches junior cricket.... FFS great role model, Just the type of person you want influencing young people. I think that should read Mirfield Parish Cavaliers, rather than Mirfield Cricket Club, doubt they would be happy with that, but I may be wrong. Not sure you are a better role model ? A grown man sat in his undies telling tall tales on the Internet
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Post by dooky82 on Jul 24, 2014 20:47:19 GMT 1
Super lopez, Have you ever made a silly mistake? got involved with the wrong crowd? Had a few too many and got into a fight? If you can answer no to all of the above then you are holier than thou and I applaud your clean living and conduct.
But more than anything I pity your sad existence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 20:54:52 GMT 1
Hmmmmm, He coaches junior cricket.... FFS great role model, Just the type of person you want influencing young people. I think that should read Mirfield Parish Cavaliers, rather than Mirfield Cricket Club, doubt they would be happy with that, but I may be wrong. Not sure you are a better role model ? A grown man sat in his undies telling tall tales on the Internet
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 20:55:55 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:00:50 GMT 1
He had a choice that day and he got involved. Silly boy. Didn't think through his association with known trouble makers. I wonder how many of the rest of the group have previous? In my eyes they are just as bad as the Batley 4. No place for it anymore. They werent as bad as the Jackson 5,,,i though Michael was a bit of a weird cnt too
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Post by Giggity on Jul 24, 2014 21:22:05 GMT 1
Out of towners muddying Huddersfield Town's name again!
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Post by 007Berlin on Jul 24, 2014 21:33:46 GMT 1
I'm not condoning this at all, but the judge said "it would be wrong to treat this as a town centre scuffle"
Well I've been going to football all my life and out on the piss 1/2 of it, and I reckon what goes on in waki at 2am Sunday morning is far worse than anything I've seen at footy. So it's hypocritical IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:41:50 GMT 1
I'm not condoning this at all, but the judge said "it would be wrong to treat this as a town centre scuffle" Well I've been going to football all my life and out on the piss 1/2 of it, and I reckon what goes on in waki at 2am Sunday morning is far worse than anything I've seen at footy. So it's hypocritical IMO Spent 4 years in a bar on Mathew Street and can tell you this was kittens tickling each other compared to what goes ok week in week out.
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Post by monkbar on Jul 24, 2014 22:05:03 GMT 1
4 years in a bar? You must have been 'kin hammered!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:56:47 GMT 1
4 years in a bar? You must have been 'kin hammered!! You sound like my employment tribunal.
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Post by sirpeterbarlow on Jul 25, 2014 0:00:17 GMT 1
This is not where Huddayresfeield is about
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 25, 2014 0:18:38 GMT 1
It's a bloody good job neither side relegated each other the year before.
Something like 22500 crowd that day. Emotions were running high. Remember Birmingham relegating us and rubbing it in and the goading.
The scene and aftermath from outside was not nice. I was only an 11 year old but those sat close and went to games with who you cannot describe as hooligans were very upset after that match. Thank god CCTV wasn't so previlant then.
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Post by terriermcd on Jul 25, 2014 7:55:53 GMT 1
It's called joint enterprise. So even if he didn't kick , punch or whatever he was there and did get involved by dragging person to ground. Would he get jail for it away from a football match though? Yep he would indeed. It's being used more and more. Less evidence needed apart from fact you were there. It was enforced more after Stephen Lawrence case to ensure gang members who incited violence but didn't do the physical side or threw the killer punc/kick/stab etc wouldn't get away with nothing. Sadly as in many cases it's being used wrongly and many young lads especially are serving 25 years for murder simply because they were there & were associated with the killer and in words of courts didn't stop the offender
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Post by Acetripper on Jul 25, 2014 8:45:04 GMT 1
I sentence them to two tabs of LSD25 a day for a month and if after that they don't believe they're either a clockwork mouse or a red plastic fire engine then I'd sentence them to another month.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 25, 2014 8:55:14 GMT 1
joint enterprise is, basically, ridiculous and has been exploited by the legal system to make the burden of proof regarding who did what to whom much less. makes for lazy policing and lawyering, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:22:58 GMT 1
I think the sentence sounds a little harsh, But at the end of the day if you wrestle, pull, shove someone to the ground who your mate then kicks in the head then you are guilty of joint enterprise.
Its like holding someones arms while your mate stabs them to death. Ok your mate killed them but you also killed them by not allowing their escape and allowing it to happen, Should you walk free if this happens?
I have no sympathy with either of them, walking round Huddersfield on matchdays with Burberry gear on acting hard, finding trouble, and ultimately finding it and getting a stretch in the nick. Maybe this will put off new folk joining in, maybe it wont. But one thing is for sure, HTFC wont miss either of their support for the next 6 or 10 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:34:24 GMT 1
Its like holding someones arms while your mate stabs them to death. Yes, that is exactly what this is like. Quick sub poll: Would you rather your college attending son come home saying he'd watched a fight and was going to get prosecuted, or be told he is a pathological liar who goes around creating a false persona and telling bizarre lies and stories to everyone, even after it's become clear no one on earth believes a word he says?
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2014 9:43:26 GMT 1
Joint enterprise? What happened to good old aiding and abetting? Sounded much better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:45:29 GMT 1
I think the sentence sounds a little harsh, But at the end of the day if you wrestle, pull, shove someone to the ground who your mate then kicks in the head then you are guilty of joint enterprise. Its like holding someones arms while your mate stabs them to death. Ok your mate killed them but you also killed them by not allowing their escape and allowing it to happen, Should you walk free if this happens? I have no sympathy with either of them, walking round Huddersfield on matchdays with Burberry gear on acting hard, finding trouble, and ultimately finding it and getting a stretch in the nick. Maybe this will put off new folk joining in, maybe it wont. But one thing is for sure, HTFC wont miss either of their support for the next 6 or 10 years. Burberry? When was the last time you saw someone wearing Burberry at the football? You know nothing about the culture, some of the people you refer to are loyal Town fans who've watched club for years home & away so I think yes they will miss their support.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:51:48 GMT 1
Its like holding someones arms while your mate stabs them to death. Yes, that is exactly what this is like. Quick sub poll: Would you rather your college attending son come home saying he'd watched a fight and was going to get prosecuted, or be told he is a pathological liar who goes around creating a false persona and telling bizarre lies and stories to everyone, even after it's become clear no one on earth believes a word he says? How did he watch a fight? he pulled someone to the ground who as a result was kicked in the head by his mate.... The other 13 or so in the group, obviously watched the fight or they would have been up on charges as well. Cant understand the culture of sticking up for criminals. If he was innocent he would have been found innocent. On a subnote, As NSL are obviously attracting these kind of like minded (idiots) people by the obvious thoughts of those posting on here, as well as those just wanting to have a good time and support the club, I wonder how long it will take for one of these idiots to be pictured wearing one of the t-shirts or scarfs, kicking someones head in.... That will bring a quick end to the home end. Surely football supporters want to go to a game, enjoy the banter and rivalry , the atmosphere of match day and then get home safely. Im firmly behind the justice system and support them in bringing mindless violence to an end at a family orientated sporting event. Ive been to hundreds of sporting events, and never once become embroiled in any trouble, yet I know of people who say it follows them around... My answer to them, is NO. YOU follow it around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:01:26 GMT 1
I think the sentence sounds a little harsh, But at the end of the day if you wrestle, pull, shove someone to the ground who your mate then kicks in the head then you are guilty of joint enterprise. Its like holding someones arms while your mate stabs them to death. Ok your mate killed them but you also killed them by not allowing their escape and allowing it to happen, Should you walk free if this happens? I have no sympathy with either of them, walking round Huddersfield on matchdays with Burberry gear on acting hard, finding trouble, and ultimately finding it and getting a stretch in the nick. Maybe this will put off new folk joining in, maybe it wont. But one thing is for sure, HTFC wont miss either of their support for the next 6 or 10 years. Burberry? When was the last time you saw someone wearing Burberry at the football? You know nothing about the culture, some of the people you refer to are loyal Town fans who've watched club for years home & away so I think yes they will miss their support. Hmmm, Im pretty sure that Huddersfield Town FC dont want them, or why would they then issue life bans to the same clowns.... I think your deluded. You are in a massive minority of the matchday crowd, that just go to watch football and hopefully enjoy the game. If not we would have 12000 idiots causing havoc, when actually I bet the number of people involved in any hooliganism is a relativly small % of the matchday crowd, which the much larger % could well do without.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2014 10:05:16 GMT 1
Yes, that is exactly what this is like. Quick sub poll: Would you rather your college attending son come home saying he'd watched a fight and was going to get prosecuted, or be told he is a pathological liar who goes around creating a false persona and telling bizarre lies and stories to everyone, even after it's become clear no one on earth believes a word he says? How did he watch a fight? he pulled someone to the ground who as a result was kicked in the head by his mate.... The other 13 or so in the group, obviously watched the fight or they would have been up on charges as well. Cant understand the culture of sticking up for criminals. If he was innocent he would have been found innocent. On a subnote, As NSL are obviously attracting these kind of like minded (idiots) people by the obvious thoughts of those posting on here, as well as those just wanting to have a good time and support the club, I wonder how long it will take for one of these idiots to be pictured wearing one of the t-shirts or scarfs, kicking someones head in.... That will bring a quick end to the home end. Surely football supporters want to go to a game, enjoy the banter and rivalry , the atmosphere of match day and then get home safely. Im firmly behind the justice system and support them in bringing mindless violence to an end at a family orientated sporting event. Ive been to hundreds of sporting events, and never once become embroiled in any trouble, yet I know of people who say it follows them around... My answer to them, is NO. YOU follow it around. The section about the NSL confirms you are DATMs number one tool
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