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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 19:14:31 GMT 1
I think the only reason Thompson was brought in was if Robins didn't work out and not to assist. Wouldn't be my choice but can see it happening That thought has occurred to me too. I'd give Robins a bit more time, but the signs aren't good and I could easily see Thompson in charge by the end of Sept if things don't improve radically and quickly. Bit of a catch 22 Andy as spending also comes into it. IF we are looking to bring anymore players in would you allow him to spend anymore cash hoping he may turn it around, but if he doesn't the new manager is stuck with players he may not want
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Post by SN0W on Aug 9, 2014 19:22:14 GMT 1
Sorry Robins.... that was unacceptable. Please just GO.
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Post by ACW on Aug 9, 2014 19:24:03 GMT 1
That thought has occurred to me too. I'd give Robins a bit more time, but the signs aren't good and I could easily see Thompson in charge by the end of Sept if things don't improve radically and quickly. Bit of a catch 22 Andy as spending also comes into it. IF we are looking to bring anymore players in would you allow him to spend anymore cash hoping he may turn it around, but if he doesn't the new manager is stuck with players he may not want Fair point and I suspect its one that Dean Hoyle may well be pondering tonight. Despite his public support for Robins and his long term plans he has to be worried after that performance. We have stayed up in the last two seasons because we have started well - we can't afford to start slowly this season. We need points in the bag early on, but today's performance doesn't bode well. I am not the sort of fan to be calling for the manager's head, but if we are pointless after the Charlton game I will be thinking again. I want Robins to succeed, but its not looking good at the moment.
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Post by captainblack on Aug 9, 2014 19:26:37 GMT 1
I am not the sort of person to want Robins sacked after only one game but I was hoping during the pre season we would have addressed the problems in the defence and bought a target man (old fashioned centre forward)to play up front.
We seem to have learnt nothing from the poor run of form last season and the combination of Wells and ward is repeatedly failing to deliver.
Today was far worse than the Ipswich game last season and I hope Robins can turn things round very quickly but there are very few people coming to his defence tonight which I think says a lot on his position at Town.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 9, 2014 19:29:17 GMT 1
I am not the sort of person to want Robins sacked after only one game but I was hoping during the pre season we would have addressed the problems in the defence and bought a target man (old fashioned centre forward)to play up front. We seem to have learnt nothing from the poor run of form last season and the combination of Wells and ward is repeatedly failing to deliver. Today was far worse than the Ipswich game last season and I hope Robins can turn things round very quickly but there are very few people coming to his defence tonight which I think says a lot on his position at Town. He's obviously going to get a few games, ten maximum IMO, if in bottom 3 by then..... He must go.
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 9, 2014 19:30:00 GMT 1
What is the point in sacking him 10 games in when the transfer window is closed? By christmas when it re-opens we will be all but down.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 9, 2014 19:34:27 GMT 1
I am not the sort of person to want Robins sacked after only one game but I was hoping during the pre season we would have addressed the problems in the defence and bought a target man (old fashioned centre forward)to play up front. We seem to have learnt nothing from the poor run of form last season and the combination of Wells and ward is repeatedly failing to deliver. Today was far worse than the Ipswich game last season and I hope Robins can turn things round very quickly but there are very few people coming to his defence tonight which I think says a lot on his position at Town. He's obviously going to get a few games, ten maximum IMO, if in bottom 3 by then..... He must go. He should be sacked tonight while there are still three weeks to go in the transfer window. We should forget Butterfield and give the Clayton money to a new manager to spend it on who he likes. We don't need another bloody midfield player! We DO need a manager who can get the best out of the players that we have!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 9, 2014 19:42:19 GMT 1
Well, well, well....now does anyone believe me about Robins? Is anyone actually surprised about what's happened today? Honestly?
Today was unacceptable, Robins just stood there all game with his hands in his pockets, reminds me of Mick Wadsworth. His tactics are totally inept, as his formation and his style of play, we just seem to have players running randomly round the pitch.
This is the worst opening day I've ever witnessed and the sooner Robins goes the better, Bournemouth didn't even play the well today.
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Post by TownFanSam on Aug 9, 2014 19:43:44 GMT 1
I'm sorry but that has to be one of the most dis-jointed, inept, timid, spineless, clueless, pathetic performances by a group of men i have ever seen. I mean where do you even start?
It's not even as if it's a one off performance either, ever since the turn of the year and still nothing has been done to change it. For how long have we needed a centre half, who can read the game and has a bit off pace and height. I know its not easy to find and especially on our nothing budget but Peltier and Crooks playing CB really? A RB and a CM, I thought that was some kind of joke when i saw it.
I don't understand what the hell is going on with this club at the moment i really don't. At first team level there just seems to be a total lack of conviction in everything we do. I mean Robins says what last week that he doesn't feel we have the personnel to play 3-5-2. WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PLAYING IT THEN!!!
You know what for me its a big decision time for Hoyle. Is Robins really the man? I think he was on borrowed time anyway and was lucky when his backroom team were sacked and he wasn't. Time to suck it up for me and admit you were wrong and change it because watching that team today, was not a team playing for its manager and before people react and say its one game blah blah, its not, this has built up more and more ever since the turn of the year.
You know what we can all go on and on about FFP, should Hoyle invest more, is it possible to? Even if he was prepared is Robins the guy to let spend it? One thing i do know is that this team needs investment, IN DEFENCE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 19:44:18 GMT 1
Fuck off Mark Robins.
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Post by dugnet on Aug 9, 2014 19:45:08 GMT 1
I am afraid that didn't surprise me at all, but what did shock me was just how inept things were from the off for the first day of a new season.
Robins must surely be at the door of the last chance saloon now? His pitiful waffle after the game gave me absolutely no confidence that he has any idea how to turn this round, in fact the suggestion he is prepared to plough on regardless says it all.
I could dissect the weaknesses across the team but it came down to this Bournemouth were a well organised, well disciplined 11 who played for each other and to a pattern. They also didn't "launch it" and played thoroughly decent football, you might say the sort of football that we are said to want to play. Yes they have money but that much more than us? I don't think so.
THIS SITUATION NEEDS ADDRESSING NOW - we've had 6 playing months of dross and it has to be tackled. I have absolutely no confidence in Robins to turn it round and if we lose the next 3 games he MUST GO! I would be delighted if he went on Monday.
I can see the strategy with developing young players but unless they are good enough to come into the team now, and a couple couldn't do any worse, we need to rethink the 1st team plan (Wells (who I feel immensely sorry for), Coady and Lolley are the only players I would exclude from specific criticism today. At this rate we may have a decent set of kids in League 1 in 12 months who will be readily picked off by clubs in a higher division. It's no good developing players just to sell and expect fans to support and buy season tickets. As for giving Robins more cash to spend - is that really wise?
Recruitment needs looking at. Whoever is responsible for signing some of those on the pitch today needs to question their decision making, sorry but they are under performing at best or simply not up to the task.
Make no bones, we have hit the buffers today and the only positive I can see is that this might be a watershed for change. This season must be now used to really take the club forward and ensure that the kids that Mark Lillis and team are developing are not wasted. I think we do need some investment but I understand our budget constraints and would never expect/ask Dean Hoyle to spend more than he can or that would place the club in jeopardy. The only solution that I can see is get a manager in who is not just aligned to the "plan" but has passion, a determination to succeed and will not tolerate half arsed performances like today (and several more this calendar year).
On Tuesday I would play Murphy, Wallace, Smith, Coady, Billing, Lolley and Sinnott. I'd stick Steady upfront with Nahki.
A final word - fair play to the NSL chaps....you deserved more to get your initiative off the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 19:58:30 GMT 1
I remember Norwich lost there first game other season 7.1 Colchester and then went on to piss the league . So don't worry about it . yeah but they sacked their inept manager after that 1 game and replaced him with a good one!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 20:05:08 GMT 1
I remember Norwich lost there first game other season 7.1 Colchester and then went on to piss the league . So don't worry about it . And the manager, Bryan Gunn, was sacked that very Saturday night! I remember it too.
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Post by artysid on Aug 9, 2014 20:08:12 GMT 1
Cant see us winning our next 2 league games (or Chesterfield on tues) so Charlton could be the crunch game for him.
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Post by thomo on Aug 9, 2014 20:12:26 GMT 1
Has he gone yet?
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 9, 2014 20:14:01 GMT 1
the Charlton game already has a relegation 6 pointer feel to it, and we are only 1 game into the season. Well done Robins.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2014 20:19:01 GMT 1
arterrier.
I was often asked about what I had against robins..
its still nothing personal, I don't know him socially..
he cant manage my football team and he then insults me by telling me I don't know what im watching.
I know what I have been watching, I don't like it, I don't agree with the way he does things, never have and unfortunately for him but more importantly for my team, I am being proved right.
This club loses money every week, my club, not Robins and we pay every week to watch a fucking re run(just some worse than others) and I vehemently object to that. A work in progress has to show growth or some tangible improvement in a reasonable amount of time. We have neither its a failure in progress and if we don't have the money to make the progress then it has to come via the coaches and the players. They didn't look like they cared too much today and we couldn't recover from a poor start and the attitude became worse as the game went on. You can blame the players but we simply cant change enough of the playing personnel, the start of a solution is obvious..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 20:22:50 GMT 1
But what did we expect? No new centre half - that had to be a priority No new striker - that had to be a priority We needed more leaders - we've not addressed imo. Peltier is not a leader for me. We needed more height imo - we look like an under 14 team beyond the back 3. Another fancy alls well when we're 4 nil up midfielder - see Norwood, see Scannell etc. Wasn't a necessity, a nice to have perhaps. Our first XI is worse, our squad much weaker. In no way excuses Robins as I've posted above but Hoyle, Clibbens and Wilson need to wake up here they certainly do its not all down to robins
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Post by y2troy on Aug 9, 2014 20:26:27 GMT 1
Doesnt matter how many new players we buy for whichever position...I really think that the players if MANAGED in the right way and in the right formation could be really competitive in this league ....dont get me wrong still need the odd few additions but think we have a good core of players just dont think tehre been utilised very well
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 20:27:18 GMT 1
The guy makes me want to vomit every time I hear his voice, he should have been sacked last season, same old bullshit on radio. If the guy ain't sacked by Monday morning, Deano has settled for league 1 already!!!! Bloody disgrace today. it was awfull but you are over reacting if you think dean is going to sack robins monday
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 20:30:29 GMT 1
But what did we expect? No new centre half - that had to be a priority No new striker - that had to be a priority We needed more leaders - we've not addressed imo. Peltier is not a leader for me. We needed more height imo - we look like an under 14 team beyond the back 3. Another fancy alls well when we're 4 nil up midfielder - see Norwood, see Scannell etc. Wasn't a necessity, a nice to have perhaps. Our first XI is worse, our squad much weaker. In no way excuses Robins as I've posted above but Hoyle, Clibbens and Wilson need to wake up here Absolutely!! Well said. Hoyle has promised us the quality signings but they need to be on board for the season kick off. Why wait on man utd for a possible loan til the end of the month or later.Thats ok if its the icing on the cake player, but we have a real need right now for a commanding ctre back, and have done since sean morrison left.Its the same up front, the club have known jv is crocked but we start the season without the striker we need. Throw Robins and his selections and tactics into the mix and its a recipe for disaster. Its negligence and whats more its gone on for some time. Complying with ffp while no one else gives a shit is why while we start our third season looking like a pub team compare to bournemouth who are only starting their second. Why should i pay my hard earned to watch a team thatS STILL short of key players and managed by that idiot Robins. Its time to act Hoyle on all fronts. yes the powers that be are not blamless over this by a long way.
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Post by Horney Barry on Aug 9, 2014 20:31:48 GMT 1
Absolutely shocking.
Clueless.
See ya Robins
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 9, 2014 20:33:00 GMT 1
The right time to get shut was after the Ipswich game last season at home, no way will anyone have the bottle to get shut of him after 1 game.
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Post by oldrain on Aug 9, 2014 20:41:13 GMT 1
Got to give him 3 games - big win at Chesterfield - 2-0 win at Cardiff and 3-0 win at Reading anything else is unacceptable
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Post by htafcjack on Aug 9, 2014 20:44:19 GMT 1
Bournemouth are a good team. Let's see how we perform over the next few matches before deciding to start again. We still have time to buy and I think with a couple of good signings we will start looking more like a decent side. Agree with most of this. Only thing is that all last season we were saying that 'a couple of good signings we'll be a decent side' Where are these signings?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 20:49:52 GMT 1
Bornmuff? Good Side? Imagine what a really good side would have done to us.
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 9, 2014 20:55:57 GMT 1
Bornmuff? Good Side? Imagine what a really good side would have done to us. It's scary. Could be another Man City coming.
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Post by specialun on Aug 9, 2014 20:59:24 GMT 1
Another few things which I've just remembered from Robins' interview which got me rattled We needed a change at half time he said - 1/ No. We needed to change after 5 minutes after the 10th time their full backs had piled misery on us. That's besides that we shouldn't have played 352 at all. 2 / We waited until 20 minutes, and I don't really know what we did - I'm sure in his head it was an attacking move to make us 343, it more resembled 361 or commonly known as a mess. We rightly tried to cut off the full backs space however. 3 / So onto half time he made the radical change of replacing Hammill, our most creative player at the club played out of position, defends as well as he can in that position but this is limited I accept, and it isn't his position. He's replaced with Scannell, who is about as useful defending as a chocolate fire guard. I could have an entire post on Scannell who epitomises everything wrong with us but he wasn't the fault today and that would detract from the entire mess so I won't. 4 / He said he didn't want to change the 3 at the back so he could change it in front of them. No Mark, you could have gone 433 / 4231 / 451 with the players who started the game. Peltier to RB, Crooks and Lynch at CB (even if Crooks isn't a CB /... he's more of a CB than a RB as Robins later made him), and Hammill and Ward out wide pushed high onto their full backs. Not perfect but we'd have at least had some shape about us, cut off their full backs and more players in their preferred positions. 5 / When we finally go to 4 at the back, we still have Peltier at CB and move Crooks to RB. This was simply baffling - I can see more logic having Peltier in the centre of the 3 as a non marking CB (I don't agree with it) but this move was beyond a joke. Not the first time Robins has thrown a young lad into a position he's probably played 5/6 times in his life but worse doing in the middle of a game . 6 / He said he never saw that coming. Let's go back a few days - Oldham away, 2 August. We started 352. I wasn't there but it sounded dreadful. Robins after the game said "“However, it did show that we are a little short on personnel in that formation. There is plenty of thinking and work to be done ahead of Bournemouth next week. “We controlled the game for large parts but they have scored with their first shot, which is becoming a bad habit. It is the same personnel and we are getting the same result; they need to step up to the plate and be men. We kept possession well but weren’t good enough in the final third; thankfully we have still got next week to work on it.” did we think about then... We didn't have personnel then and since then we've lost out best midfielder albeit added Coady. I've never been so annoyed since Stan Ternant was in charge and referred to Andy Butler as Paul Butler
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Post by ACW on Aug 9, 2014 21:04:51 GMT 1
Got to give him 3 games - big win at Chesterfield - 2-0 win at Cardiff and 3-0 win at Reading anything else is unacceptable And back on planet Earth...
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Post by mickydombat on Aug 9, 2014 21:08:58 GMT 1
Time to go now or our crowds will be down to 5k soon.
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