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Post by dugnet on Aug 9, 2014 21:13:04 GMT 1
Another few things which I've just remembered from Robins' interview which got me rattled We needed a change at half time he said - 1/ No. We needed to change after 5 minutes after the 10th time their full backs had piled misery on us. That's besides that we shouldn't have played 352 at all. 2 / We waited until 20 minutes, and I don't really know what we did - I'm sure in his head it was an attacking move to make us 343, it more resembled 361 or commonly known as a mess. We rightly tried to cut off the full backs space however. 3 / So onto half time he made the radical change of replacing Hammill, our most creative player at the club played out of position, defends as well as he can in that position but this is limited I accept, and it isn't his position. He's replaced with Scannell, who is about as useful defending as a chocolate fire guard. I could have an entire post on Scannell who epitomises everything wrong with us but he wasn't the fault today and that would detract from the entire mess so I won't. 4 / He said he didn't want to change the 3 at the back so he could change it in front of them. No Mark, you could have gone 433 / 4231 / 451 with the players who started the game. Peltier to RB, Crooks and Lynch at CB (even if Crooks isn't a CB /... he's more of a CB than a RB as Robins later made him), and Hammill and Ward out wide pushed high onto their full backs. Not perfect but we'd have at least had some shape about us, cut off their full backs and more players in their preferred positions. 5 / When we finally go to 4 at the back, we still have Peltier at CB and move Crooks to RB. This was simply baffling - I can see more logic having Peltier in the centre of the 3 as a non marking CB (I don't agree with it) but this move was beyond a joke. Not the first time Robins has thrown a young lad into a position he's probably played 5/6 times in his life but worse doing in the middle of a game . 6 / He said he never saw that coming. Let's go back a few days - Oldham away, 2 August. We started 352. I wasn't there but it sounded dreadful. Robins after the game said "“However, it did show that we are a little short on personnel in that formation. There is plenty of thinking and work to be done ahead of Bournemouth next week. “We controlled the game for large parts but they have scored with their first shot, which is becoming a bad habit. It is the same personnel and we are getting the same result; they need to step up to the plate and be men. We kept possession well but weren’t good enough in the final third; thankfully we have still got next week to work on it.” did we think about then... We didn't have personnel then and since then we've lost out best midfielder albeit added Coady. I've never been so annoyed since Stan Ternant was in charge and referred to Andy Butler as Paul Butler Bang on the nail, and how is it so many can see it but he can't? Perhaps he doesn't want to? It cannot continue.
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Post by kautostar1 on Aug 9, 2014 21:14:24 GMT 1
The most depressing thing is that Bournemouth were very average
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 21:14:39 GMT 1
has he gone yet?
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Post by nicovaesen on Aug 9, 2014 21:19:02 GMT 1
Bornmuff? Good Side? Imagine what a really good side would have done to us. T
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Post by specialun on Aug 9, 2014 21:20:55 GMT 1
The most depressing thing is that Bournemouth were very average I'm not sure this is fair - the likes of Arter, Wilson, Ritchie are all good players. They have a good young manager who likes his team to play the right way, are organised and play as a team. Stanislas, Gosling on the bench and their record signing Rantie as well... Don't undertestimate them. Still they didn't have to work hard to look like Real Madrid today.
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Post by ACW on Aug 9, 2014 21:23:43 GMT 1
The most depressing thing is that Bournemouth were very average They were slightly better than average but they certainly didn't have to get out of second gear. And they definitely did not have to play anywhere near the standard you would expect when a team wins 4-0 away from home. I don't want to take anything away from Bournemouth but today's result was more down to the ineptitude of Town than the brilliance of the opposition. And you are right - that is depressing. We should at least make the opposition work hard for their wins - today they just had to turn up and wait for us to give them the chances. And it wasn't a long wait either!
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Post by nicovaesen on Aug 9, 2014 21:26:08 GMT 1
Bornmuff? Good Side? Imagine what a really good side would have done to us. Exactly what I said. People thought we average with Clarke and clayton in the team. We seriously missed them today. Clarke was slow but he had passion, desire and leadership coming out of his eyeballs and we let him go for fuck all. The worst thing though we haven't strengthened in this department. I'm really worried. Just like you say imagine what forest, Norwich and derby will do to us if we get mauled by Bournemouth and act like there a brilliant championship side
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Post by jim59 on Aug 9, 2014 21:28:53 GMT 1
After the performances at the second half of last season and today surely Mr Hoyle knows he has to act. But why isn't he? He let Robins carry on where as previously he swung the axe quite clinically.
I said in an earlier post is he selecting managers based on what he wants to hear rather than what he should hear. An earlier poster mentioned the apparent committee approach seems to be prevailing. We need a strong manager one who perhaps stands up to the club and lays down a marker.
If given the reported investment of Mr Hoyle is correct has he finally decided to draw a line? I wonder at the decision making processes with regard to the current signings especially as we all perceive a need for centre backs and a striker. Who is making the decisions? If it's Robins then it just confirms my belief he has lost the plot. If not then the management team need to shake themselves down and get a decent manager who will I insist on his signings and not be intimidated into buying mediocrity .
Ah I hear you say if the manger isn't being given the budget how can he. Well maybe instead of signing two or three maybes you sign one class player the costs will be the same.
I've supported Town for so long it hurts but I have seen this pattern before you cannot keep selling your talent and replacing it with players who are at best a gamble . Many teams have tried it and lived to rue the day.
Ok I've had a few beers and rambling.
But first Robins has to go. Will Dean br brave enough to appoint someone who says no to him?
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Post by shatterrier on Aug 9, 2014 21:30:38 GMT 1
The most depressing thing is that Bournemouth were very average I'm not sure this is fair - the likes of Arter, Wilson, Ritchie are all good players. They have a good young manager who likes his team to play the right way, are organised and play as a team. Stanislas, Gosling on the bench and their record signing Rantie as well... Don't undertestimate them. Still they didn't have to work hard to look like Real Madrid today. So they have forward momentum. Sure I've heard that somewhere before
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Post by cj01 on Aug 9, 2014 21:32:00 GMT 1
Just had a look on the League Managers' Association website and at the long list of available managers. Couldn't see one that DH could bring in and I'd think, "oh that's a good appointment".
The optimist in me says well MR had us playing good football (3 5 2) this time last season so maybe he will again. Also, I do believe there are some very talented players in our squad. The transfer window doesn't close until the end of the month, let's hope we get a CB and striker by then.
The pessimist(realist?) in me says MR doesn't seem to be able to draw the talent out of those players we have who are good. He doesn't fill me with inspiration and I fear he may not feel the players with inspiration either.
Do we give him longer? Yes I think we have to. One bad performance, and by God it was bad, doesn't define our season. But not much longer. Then if he goes, who on earth do we replace him with?
Damned if I know what the answer is. I don't envy Dean's decision making in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 21:35:10 GMT 1
The most depressing thing is that Bournemouth were very average I'm not sure this is fair - the likes of Arter, Wilson, Ritchie are all good players. They have a good young manager who likes his team to play the right way, are organised and play as a team. Stanislas, Gosling on the bench and their record signing Rantie as well... Don't undertestimate them. Still they didn't have to work hard to look like Real Madrid today. quite right Bournemouth are a decent side no doubt - there is not one player in our side currently that would get in their starting 11. Not one....but that says as much about us as it does them
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Post by jim59 on Aug 9, 2014 21:35:50 GMT 1
Just had a look on the League Managers' Association website and at the long list of available managers. Couldn't see one that DH could bring in and I'd think, "oh that's a good appointment". The optimist in me says well MR had us playing good football (3 5 2) this time last season so maybe he will again. Also, I do believe there are some very talented players in our squad. The transfer window doesn't close until the end of the month, let's hope we get a CB and striker by then. The pessimist(realist?) in me says MR doesn't seem to be able to draw the talent out of those players we have who are good. He doesn't fill me with inspiration and I fear he may not feel the players with inspiration either. Do we give him longer? Yes I think we have to. One bad performance, and by God it was bad, doesn't define our season. But not much longer. Then if he goes, who on earth do we replace him with? Damned if I know what the answer is. I don't envy Dean's decision making in the near future. One win in how many? Why does he have to stay?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 21:36:18 GMT 1
I've defended the guy to the hilt, but a start like today is just totally unacceptable.
There have been wholesale changes in the coaching staff, and a whole summer to rectify the problems and mistakes that were made last season, not only have the same mistakes been made again by Robins, but (judging by today's comments), today he made a whole host of new ones.
God knows what mistakes he will make over the coming games if he remains in his position, as he has shown absolutely no signs of learning from past ones.
Time to go I'm afraid, Mr Robins
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Post by seanyd1brit on Aug 9, 2014 21:38:57 GMT 1
I've defended the guy to the hilt, but a start like today is just totally unacceptable. There have been wholesale changes in the coaching staff, and a whole summer to rectify the problems and mistake that were made last season, not only have the same mistakes been made again by Robins, but (judging by today's comments), today he made a whole host of new ones. God knows what mistakes he will make over the coming games if he remains in his position, as he has shown absolutely no signs of learning from past ones. Time to go I'm afraid, Mr Robins I'm the same as you mate. I didn't hold him fully responsible for last years problems as there was plenty of blame to go round. But he's on thin ice for me and today has totally knocked the stuffing out of me. I wouldn't sack him yet but I think I'd be demanding an immediate improvement in organization and attitude. If that doesn't come immediately I think he has to go for the good of the club.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 9, 2014 21:41:31 GMT 1
Just had a look on the League Managers' Association website and at the long list of available managers. Couldn't see one that DH could bring in and I'd think, "oh that's a good appointment". The optimist in me says well MR had us playing good football (3 5 2) this time last season so maybe he will again. Also, I do believe there are some very talented players in our squad. The transfer window doesn't close until the end of the month, let's hope we get a CB and striker by then. The pessimist(realist?) in me says MR doesn't seem to be able to draw the talent out of those players we have who are good. He doesn't fill me with inspiration and I fear he may not feel the players with inspiration either. Do we give him longer? Yes I think we have to. One bad performance, and by God it was bad, doesn't define our season. But not much longer. Then if he goes, who on earth do we replace him with? Damned if I know what the answer is. I don't envy Dean's decision making in the near future. I think he must be feeling Hogg, Norwood & Ward on a regular basis, otherwise how would they get a game?
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Post by impact on Aug 9, 2014 21:42:07 GMT 1
What is the point in sacking him now? 1 game into a season when we clearly haven't made enough signings and with our best player out of the squad in limbo?
Give him 10 games. The season is not over at that point. But the board have to back him in the market. We still need a centre back, and we still need a striker. If they aren't going to get them they may as well throw him under the bus now. And whoever we bring in to replace him will be faced with exactly the same problems.
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Post by yanfan on Aug 9, 2014 21:43:01 GMT 1
Nigel Worthington come on down Across from York and manage Town Cos Robins must be on his way Cos no-one likes the way we play It doesn't make any sense So Nigel sort out our defence Just the way you have at York use the players and make it work In a formation they understand Stop us sinking in the sand
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Post by cj01 on Aug 9, 2014 21:44:04 GMT 1
Just had a look on the League Managers' Association website and at the long list of available managers. Couldn't see one that DH could bring in and I'd think, "oh that's a good appointment". The optimist in me says well MR had us playing good football (3 5 2) this time last season so maybe he will again. Also, I do believe there are some very talented players in our squad. The transfer window doesn't close until the end of the month, let's hope we get a CB and striker by then. The pessimist(realist?) in me says MR doesn't seem to be able to draw the talent out of those players we have who are good. He doesn't fill me with inspiration and I fear he may not feel the players with inspiration either. Do we give him longer? Yes I think we have to. One bad performance, and by God it was bad, doesn't define our season. But not much longer. Then if he goes, who on earth do we replace him with? Damned if I know what the answer is. I don't envy Dean's decision making in the near future. One win in how many? Why does he have to stay? Why does he have to stay - well there is the new backroom staff and they as a group (including MR) have to be given more than one game to show whether or not they're up to it, and, answer me this question, (posed above) who do you replace him with?
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Post by jim59 on Aug 9, 2014 21:49:28 GMT 1
What is the point in sacking him now? 1 game into a season when we clearly haven't made enough signings and with our best player out of the squad in limbo? Give him 10 games. The season is not over at that point. But the board have to back him in the market. We still need a centre back, and we still need a striker. If they aren't going to get them they may as well throw him under the bus now. And whoever we bring in to replace him will be faced with exactly the same problems. Really? After only 2 wins in 22 what is the point in giving him 10 games ? So we can lose the majority of 30 points? Given that we need to achieve nearly 55 to stay up why would you hamstring an incoming manager with that deficit? Totally illogical. Robins cannot motivate them. The Barnsley fans told us as much when we took hom on. Ok he might want to play football but so did Wadsworth. Without the personnel or managerial fleshlight I biliary in games we are guilty of playing to a Mantra successful or not.
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Post by jim59 on Aug 9, 2014 21:50:41 GMT 1
What is the point in sacking him now? 1 game into a season when we clearly haven't made enough signings and with our best player out of the squad in limbo? Give him 10 games. The season is not over at that point. But the board have to back him in the market. We still need a centre back, and we still need a striker. If they aren't going to get them they may as well throw him under the bus now. And whoever we bring in to replace him will be faced with exactly the same problems. Really? After only 2 wins in 22 what is the point in giving him 10 games ? So we can lose the majority of 30 points? Given that we need to achieve nearly 55 to stay up why would you hamstring an incoming manager with that deficit? Totally illogical. Robins cannot motivate them. The Barnsley fans told us as much when we took hom on. Ok he might want to play football but so did Wadsworth. Without the personnel or managerial fleshlight I biliary in games we are guilty of playing to a Mantra successful or not. Fleshlight ha spellchecker! Flexibility it should be
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 21:53:11 GMT 1
id give him 5max
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Post by jim59 on Aug 9, 2014 21:58:32 GMT 1
After the performances at the second half of last season and today surely Mr Hoyle knows he has to act. But why isn't he? He let Robins carry on where as previously he swung the axe quite clinically. I said in an earlier post is he selecting managers based on what he wants to hear rather than what he should hear. An earlier poster mentioned the apparent committee approach seems to be prevailing. We need a strong manager one who perhaps stands up to the club and lays down a marker. If given the reported investment of Mr Hoyle is correct has he finally decided to draw a line? I wonder at the decision making processes with regard to the current signings especially as we all perceive a need for centre backs and a striker. Who is making the decisions? If it's Robins then it just confirms my belief he has lost the plot. If not then the management team need to shake themselves down and get a decent manager who will I insist on his signings and not be intimidated into buying mediocrity . Ah I hear you say if the manger isn't being given the budget how can he. Well maybe instead of signing two or three maybes you sign one class player the costs will be the same. I've supported Town for so long it hurts but I have seen this pattern before you cannot keep selling your talent and replacing it with players who are at best a gamble . Many teams have tried it and lived to rue the day. Ok I've had a few beers and rambling. But first Robins has to go. Will Dean br brave enough to appoint someone who says no to him? My earlier comment but it does seem Dean has to look hard at himself too?
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Post by jim59 on Aug 9, 2014 22:10:38 GMT 1
One win in how many? Why does he have to stay? Why does he have to stay - well there is the new backroom staff and they as a group (including MR) have to be given more than one game to show whether or not they're up to it, and, answer me this question, (posed above) who do you replace him with? Er one game? Two wins in 22? It's clear we disagree but even if the back room staff have changed Robins is still control of the team. So it's not 1 game it's 22. Grayson got sacked with better stats. Can't you see he cannot motivate a side? At the risk of repeating myself the Barnsleyy fans told us what about this debacle cannot you not see?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 22:20:18 GMT 1
I am afraid that didn't surprise me at all, but what did shock me was just how inept things were from the off for the first day of a new season. Robins must surely be at the door of the last chance saloon now? His pitiful waffle after the game gave me absolutely no confidence that he has any idea how to turn this round, in fact the suggestion he is prepared to plough on regardless says it all. I could dissect the weaknesses across the team but it came down to this Bournemouth were a well organised, well disciplined 11 who played for each other and to a pattern. They also didn't "launch it" and played thoroughly decent football, you might say the sort of football that we are said to want to play. Yes they have money but that much more than us? I don't think so. THIS SITUATION NEEDS ADDRESSING NOW - we've had 6 playing months of dross and it has to be tackled. I have absolutely no confidence in Robins to turn it round and if we lose the next 3 games he MUST GO! I would be delighted if he went on Monday. I can see the strategy with developing young players but unless they are good enough to come into the team now, and a couple couldn't do any worse, we need to rethink the 1st team plan (Wells (who I feel immensely sorry for), Coady and Lolley are the only players I would exclude from specific criticism today. At this rate we may have a decent set of kids in League 1 in 12 months who will be readily picked off by clubs in a higher division. It's no good developing players just to sell and expect fans to support and buy season tickets. As for giving Robins more cash to spend - is that really wise? Recruitment needs looking at. Whoever is responsible for signing some of those on the pitch today needs to question their decision making, sorry but they are under performing at best or simply not up to the task. Make no bones, we have hit the buffers today and the only positive I can see is that this might be a watershed for change. This season must be now used to really take the club forward and ensure that the kids that Mark Lillis and team are developing are not wasted. I think we do need some investment but I understand our budget constraints and would never expect/ask Dean Hoyle to spend more than he can or that would place the club in jeopardy. The only solution that I can see is get a manager in who is not just aligned to the "plan" but has passion, a determination to succeed and will not tolerate half arsed performances like today (and several more this calendar year). On Tuesday I would play Murphy, Wallace, Smith, Coady, Billing, Lolley and Sinnott. I'd stick Steady upfront with Nahki. A final word - fair play to the NSL chaps....you deserved more to get your initiative off the ground. On the nose... again! And you did warn us after Oldham. The situation cannot go on. Can't believe that Hoyle will allow it to slide further. The season is more than salvageable if we were to bring in an inspirational manager who could revitalise the players we have and give us a cohesive style of play that suits the personnel available to him. Why wait? We know what we are getting if we don't change things. Do it now, Dean!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 22:34:38 GMT 1
I am afraid that didn't surprise me at all, but what did shock me was just how inept things were from the off for the first day of a new season. Robins must surely be at the door of the last chance saloon now? His pitiful waffle after the game gave me absolutely no confidence that he has any idea how to turn this round, in fact the suggestion he is prepared to plough on regardless says it all. I could dissect the weaknesses across the team but it came down to this Bournemouth were a well organised, well disciplined 11 who played for each other and to a pattern. They also didn't "launch it" and played thoroughly decent football, you might say the sort of football that we are said to want to play. Yes they have money but that much more than us? I don't think so. THIS SITUATION NEEDS ADDRESSING NOW - we've had 6 playing months of dross and it has to be tackled. I have absolutely no confidence in Robins to turn it round and if we lose the next 3 games he MUST GO! I would be delighted if he went on Monday. I can see the strategy with developing young players but unless they are good enough to come into the team now, and a couple couldn't do any worse, we need to rethink the 1st team plan (Wells (who I feel immensely sorry for), Coady and Lolley are the only players I would exclude from specific criticism today. At this rate we may have a decent set of kids in League 1 in 12 months who will be readily picked off by clubs in a higher division. It's no good developing players just to sell and expect fans to support and buy season tickets. As for giving Robins more cash to spend - is that really wise? Recruitment needs looking at. Whoever is responsible for signing some of those on the pitch today needs to question their decision making, sorry but they are under performing at best or simply not up to the task. Make no bones, we have hit the buffers today and the only positive I can see is that this might be a watershed for change. This season must be now used to really take the club forward and ensure that the kids that Mark Lillis and team are developing are not wasted. I think we do need some investment but I understand our budget constraints and would never expect/ask Dean Hoyle to spend more than he can or that would place the club in jeopardy. The only solution that I can see is get a manager in who is not just aligned to the "plan" but has passion, a determination to succeed and will not tolerate half arsed performances like today (and several more this calendar year). On Tuesday I would play Murphy, Wallace, Smith, Coady, Billing, Lolley and Sinnott. I'd stick Steady upfront with Nahki. A final word - fair play to the NSL chaps....you deserved more to get your initiative off the ground. On the nose... again! And you did warn us after Oldham. The situation cannot go on. Can't believe that Hoyle will allow it to slide further. The season is more than salvageable if we were to bring in an inspirational manager who could revitalise the players we have and give us a cohesive style of play that suits the personnel available to him. Why wait? We know what we are getting if we don't change things. Do it now, Dean!!! agree completely
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Post by walshy on Aug 9, 2014 22:42:07 GMT 1
All well and great saying "time for Robins to go"... although I agree with it, as performances, results, formations and team selections have been inexcusable at best.
Who EXACTLY do we replace him with? I wouldn't be happy with Steve Thompson taking over, I believe Steve Eyre has the respect from the players, but I still wouldn't be convinced. So who? An Ian Holloway type character? Malkay McKay type character?
Glenn Hoddle all day long for me... But unrealistic that'd he want to come here, but Englands best coach by a distant mile in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 22:43:49 GMT 1
All well and great saying "time for Robins to go"... although I agree with it, as performances, results, formations and team selections have been inexcusable at best. Who EXACTLY do we replace him with? I wouldn't be happy with Steve Thompson taking over, I believe Steve Eyre has the respect from the players, but I still wouldn't be convinced. So who? An Ian Holloway type character? Malkay McKay type character? Glenn Hoddle all day long for me... But unrealistic that'd he want to come here, but Englands best coach by a distant mile in my view. how about a traffic cone
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 22:48:03 GMT 1
All well and great saying "time for Robins to go"... although I agree with it, as performances, results, formations and team selections have been inexcusable at best. Who EXACTLY do we replace him with? I wouldn't be happy with Steve Thompson taking over, I believe Steve Eyre has the respect from the players, but I still wouldn't be convinced. So who? An Ian Holloway type character? Malkay McKay type character? Glenn Hoddle all day long for me... But unrealistic that'd he want to come here, but Englands best coach by a distant mile in my view. Zippy, With Bungle and George as Coaches and Rod, Jane and Freddy doing some wanger's to motivate the players
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Post by dugnet on Aug 9, 2014 22:50:44 GMT 1
[On the nose... again! And you did warn us after Oldham.
The situation cannot go on. Can't believe that Hoyle will allow it to slide further. The season is more than salvageable if we were to bring in an inspirational manager who could revitalise the players we have and give us a cohesive style of play that suits the personnel available to him.
Why wait? We know what we are getting if we don't change things. Do it now, Dean!!! [/quote]
I get no pleasure from being negative, but then again I get no pleasure from watching what I endured today.
We can surely do better?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 9, 2014 23:22:23 GMT 1
[On the nose... again! And you did warn us after Oldham. The situation cannot go on. Can't believe that Hoyle will allow it to slide further. The season is more than salvageable if we were to bring in an inspirational manager who could revitalise the players we have and give us a cohesive style of play that suits the personnel available to him. Why wait? We know what we are getting if we don't change things. Do it now, Dean!!! I get no pleasure from being negative, but then again I get no pleasure from watching what I endured today. We can surely do better? [/quote] It's not being negative, it's been honest and talking sense. There seems to be some kind of misconception on here that people are negative if they express an opinion which says how the current situation is, which is currently appalling and most people have seen this coming for months and apathy is rampant.
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