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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:51:04 GMT 1
Does anybody know where the old cowshed is or was it demolished The latter. Somebody has a set of photos taken as the old place gets ripped up.
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Post by Sio on Sept 15, 2014 17:58:13 GMT 1
Not been reading through but just seen the last post and I agree, if we have a 3-0 home victory, or a home victory at all there will be no better place to stand whether rain or shine. The ground has been needing something like the NSL for years! Once the results improve, the atmosphere will. I for one would hate for us to now go back to the BR singing section (although I did like being near away fans), last year it was okay(ish) at the back and towards the front of the section it was mainly full of young teenage mum's on their phones whilst their chav partners would hurt abuse at the away supporters and go into hiding as soon as they got some back, a la Leicester. Utterly sad and cringeworthy. Long live the NSL and hopefully - one day, long live the South Stand...that's the aim after all. spot on
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Post by detox on Sept 15, 2014 18:02:32 GMT 1
This is a major issue for me regarding the atmosphere, the design just doesn't keep it in. The corners need filling in to deflect the noise back into the ground rather than it flying off into the air. The design might have been groundbreaking at the time but it has major flaws for a football stadium, in this case its not better to be different. KSDL aren't going to fill in the corners, it would cost them too much for very little, if any, retturn on the initial outlay. The North Stand, when it was built should have been a identikit version of the South Stand, we wouldn't have had this problem now, would we? Is there a contingency in the design that the corners can be filled in? or would that not be possible? If it was, it would add q few more thousand seats......making the stadium even more empty.. Given the position of the stand roofs concrete supports I don't think there is scope to add seats in the corners. What I had in mind was 'blanking off' the ends of the stands (Wigan have done that at their ground). If you look at the Kilner bank, for example, the ends are about 1/3rd blanked now with perspex sheets (or whatever)..that just needs extending all the way up to the top. I think the DG stand might be the same. I have seen some grounds where the corners are squared off to hide the pylons... can't remember which but Barnsley have a corner which has been filled in.... It's certainly not an impossible task given the technology these days, but I can't see KSDL stumping up £250k to do it...maybe Dean and Ken will chip in £125k each ? Would be good if Town could just have someone come in and do a few designs and price them up...maybe a job for SLO then we'd know the cost and perhaps we could have a whip round...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 18:14:22 GMT 1
Some people have been aye. Some people are desperate for this to fail... I realised you werent one of them mate.. If its not your thing its not your thing. I totally get that.. Until we conceded it was brilliant in Fantastic Upper - a real football atmosphere. Edit: Even some of us miserable old sods were joining in! I bet that, when the results start coming we will wonder what all the fuss was about. #fingers #crossed Hopefully the singing can develop in the upper tier, it would certainly enhance the noise if there were a few joining in from above as well. I did wonder if it was worth a few folk going up there from time to time to gauge the singing, and willingness to join in, and maybe encourage a bit of noise as well. Sounds like you're already joining in though.
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 15, 2014 18:27:13 GMT 1
Difficult one as I want it work and I know people involved and how much effort the group has gone to try get it going it I'm just not sure it will due to the stand. Il be honest from where I am in the ground I can hear very little from that end but that goes hand in hand with the performances on the pitch, as long as I can remember at home especially town fans have always been the type that need something to get them going and that won't change over night. I think most would love to see a full FML with them belting out noise and I hope it happens it for them I just can't bring myself to go in a shit temporary stand at home games.
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Post by Sio on Sept 15, 2014 18:29:22 GMT 1
Difficult one as I want it work and I know people involved and how much effort the group has gone to try get it going it I'm just not sure it will due to the stand. Il be honest from where I am in the ground I can hear very little from that end but that goes hand in hand with the performances on the pitch as long as I can remember at home especially town fans have always been the type that need something to get them going and that wing change over night. I think most would love to see a full FML with them belting out noise and I hope it happens it for them I just can't bring myself to go in a shit temporary stand at home games. I think unfortunately wherever we go, unless it's the south stand, it's going to be quiet. We can't hear a peep out of the singing section at our end, but im sure it's loud enough up there! All we can do is cheer the team on from our side, and they CAN hear it. Obviously the noise doesn't spread well, we know that, but we want to give the players some noise and colour to play towards rather than an empty miserable looking stand. We can achieve that..
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Post by terrierng on Sept 15, 2014 18:38:40 GMT 1
Until we conceded it was brilliant in Fantastic Upper - a real football atmosphere. Edit: Even some of us miserable old sods were joining in! I bet that, when the results start coming we will wonder what all the fuss was about. #fingers #crossed Hopefully the singing can develop in the upper tier, it would certainly enhance the noise if there were a few joining in from above as well. I did wonder if it was worth a few folk going up there from time to time to gauge the singing, and willingness to join in, and maybe encourage a bit of noise as well. Sounds like you're already joining in though. Im on it boss8-)
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Post by Chris461 on Sept 15, 2014 19:43:02 GMT 1
Have yet to go in but might give it a bash tomorrow. Really don't think any blame can be attributed to the north stand for Saturday's atmosphere and to do so is petty and counterproductive. In the second half on Saturday we didn't look like managing a shot on target let alone scoring, so it's fairly understandable that the crowd was muted. I'm always up for a chant but admit to having been completely drained of enthusiasm during that half. During the Charlton game, that stand really contributed to great (by usual standards) atmosphere as we had 3 stands singing on several occasions, a rare occurrence! Not to mention the NSL provided the only source of atmosphere against Forest and were clearly audible at the south end of the DGL. Finally, just by having more people in there than previous seasons will surely be a positive for our players when attacking that end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 19:49:48 GMT 1
Hopefully the singing can develop in the upper tier, it would certainly enhance the noise if there were a few joining in from above as well. I did wonder if it was worth a few folk going up there from time to time to gauge the singing, and willingness to join in, and maybe encourage a bit of noise as well. Sounds like you're already joining in though. Im on it boss8-) If you're in the upper tomorrow, do you fancy handing some streamers out mate?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 20:00:39 GMT 1
People shouldn't give up in the NSL after 3 games. It was half full on Saturday, not a bad start given the results on the pitch.
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Post by detox on Sept 15, 2014 20:11:03 GMT 1
If you're in the upper tomorrow, do you fancy handing some streamers out mate? perhaps need to save some of those streamers until the players have finished their handshakes..and come to the north end ?
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Post by Heckyblue on Sept 15, 2014 20:46:35 GMT 1
If you're in the upper tomorrow, do you fancy handing some streamers out mate? perhaps need to save some of those streamers until the players have finished their handshakes..and come to the north end ? good idea!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 20:54:21 GMT 1
Are people actually blaming the NSL? I like the idea its just I couldnt hear them on Saturday but I have no problem with the group, its a fine idea. Personally I dont like sitting behind a goal so will never do that but from how strained my voice was Sat night I am not a quiet fan either. I think we all just need to get behind the team and make more noise Some people have been aye. Some people are desperate for this to fail... I realised you werent one of them mate.. If its not your thing its not your thing. I totally get that.. I think you are right, but why oh why would anybody want such a venture to fail?!!! Some very small minded people around!
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Post by terrierng on Sept 15, 2014 21:12:19 GMT 1
If you're in the upper tomorrow, do you fancy handing some streamers out mate? can do but it depends where jack wants to bloody go,changes his mind all the time,only sat upstairs once this season!!!!
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Post by Sio on Sept 15, 2014 21:40:46 GMT 1
Have yet to go in but might give it a bash tomorrow. Really don't think any blame can be attributed to the north stand for Saturday's atmosphere and to do so is petty and counterproductive. In the second half on Saturday we didn't look like managing a shot on target let alone scoring, so it's fairly understandable that the crowd was muted. I'm always up for a chant but admit to having been completely drained of enthusiasm during that half. During the Charlton game, that stand really contributed to great (by usual standards) atmosphere as we had 3 stands singing on several occasions, a rare occurrence! Not to mention the NSL provided the only source of atmosphere against Forest and were clearly audible at the south end of the DGL. Finally, just by having more people in there than previous seasons will surely be a positive for our players when attacking that end. Get in there Crabb
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 6:15:12 GMT 1
Need a better effort from everyone tonight.
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Post by allthewhile on Sept 16, 2014 7:12:53 GMT 1
Hey guys just two things here that I was wondering.1. Not to sound like a pessimist but what is going to happen if we get 1k solid throughout the rEst of the season in the FML and it never goes up. Also if the south stand is our ultimate aim then perhaps in time when we get the numbers we could set up an online poll/petition to show town that it is financially viable and that we can more or less fill it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 7:54:17 GMT 1
Need a better effort from everyone tonight. Agreed I' ll be making my effort from the Kilner,I like my football from the side but come on lads and lasses whetever we sit .
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 16, 2014 8:14:53 GMT 1
Hey guys just two things here that I was wondering.1. Not to sound like a pessimist but what is going to happen if we get 1k solid throughout the rEst of the season in the FML and it never goes up. Also if the south stand is our ultimate aim then perhaps in time when we get the numbers we could set up an online poll/petition to show town that it is financially viable and that we can more or less fill it But we more or less can't fill it. We've proved that before time and again
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:28:47 GMT 1
Hey guys just two things here that I was wondering.1. Not to sound like a pessimist but what is going to happen if we get 1k solid throughout the rEst of the season in the FML and it never goes up. Also if the south stand is our ultimate aim then perhaps in time when we get the numbers we could set up an online poll/petition to show town that it is financially viable and that we can more or less fill it But we more or less can't fill it. We've proved that before time and again We never would especially with the attendances we have had over the years.
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 16, 2014 8:57:38 GMT 1
Think the club need to really decide do they really and I mean really want to make a big difference to the atmosphere in the ground the fans do as seen from the NSL who have got 700+ in past few games desipite being shafted with the worst stand In the ground! I maybe speaking out of turn here as I don't go to the ATT meetings and hear what's said it's just my opinion but we as fans should really push to have a small section of the south stand even if it was just 1000-1200 seats clubs up and down the country with worse reps then us do this week in week out get that let the NSL set up home in there and the atmosphere would improve tenfold even if it was for at first a trail run of three or four home games in a row.
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Post by scoffsablue on Sept 16, 2014 9:07:51 GMT 1
In a much, much, much smaller way I can sort of understand how Deano must feel when he gets shit from the minority after he's put so much time, effort and money in to HTAFC by trying to do something different to make things better for the club he loves and supports. The NSL has ridden the SM shit storm from those who fear failure more than risking success and a new era and the majority support is good to see and hear...Obviously there's the usual fair share of WUM'S, Lids fans etc.....Bring it on...we've nothing to lose....Some people need to look at the bigger picture and try visualise what can be achieved in the years to come and which stand we could be stood in with better cover, acoustics etc, rather than being so short sighted that they can't see past the weekend.....There were 894 in the NS Lower last Saturday in a stand that used to average a couple of hundred.... as the old saying goes...'you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink'....tonight v Wigan we're gonna make the fucker drink !!......The NSL will celebrate it's 1st Birthday on the 9th May 2015....Everyone will be invited....As always.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 9:33:35 GMT 1
Think the club need to really decide do they really and I mean really want to make a big difference to the atmosphere in the ground the fans do as seen from the NSL who have got 700+ in past few games desipite being shafted with the worst stand In the ground! I maybe speaking out of turn here as I don't go to the ATT meetings and hear what's said it's just my opinion but we as fans should really push to have a small section of the south stand even if it was just 1000-1200 seats clubs up and down the country with worse reps then us do this week in week out get that let the NSL set up home in there and the atmosphere would improve tenfold even if it was for at first a trail run of three or four home games in a row. Trouble is, if that happened, then youd get 200 fans in the South Stand, being laughed at by the away fans (if they even noticed they were there), and 400 left in the North Stand (since its a better view than the North Stand because youre significantly closer to the pitch and its steeper. And cheaper), and 100 sitting elsewhere cos they wanted to go in with some people they might not necessarily know, but like what theyre doing, and are confused by the fragmentation. FORGET the South Stand for now (I'd be tempted to say forever, but thats a different discussion)...FORGET judging the North Stand Lower, its NOT an experiement, its just the way it is now. If in 2 years they have to stop North Stand transfers because theres so many folk with season tickets in there and its filling up every other week, then maybe it would be worth thinking about some ground reconfiguration. But....I cant see that happening. In the meantime, enjoy it for what it is if youre in there. Whikst folk seem happy to sit behind the goals at an away match, theyre simply not interested (generally) in giving up "their" existing seat at home. Thats the reality. I can understand it to some extent, after all, I had a season ticket in the same seat for 15 years.
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Post by Sio on Sept 16, 2014 9:48:57 GMT 1
Think the club need to really decide do they really and I mean really want to make a big difference to the atmosphere in the ground the fans do as seen from the NSL who have got 700+ in past few games desipite being shafted with the worst stand In the ground! I maybe speaking out of turn here as I don't go to the ATT meetings and hear what's said it's just my opinion but we as fans should really push to have a small section of the south stand even if it was just 1000-1200 seats clubs up and down the country with worse reps then us do this week in week out get that let the NSL set up home in there and the atmosphere would improve tenfold even if it was for at first a trail run of three or four home games in a row. But then what do you do with away fans? We can't just have the south stand when there's going to be a small away following- we'll never establish a proper home end if it's on an infrequent basis. It just seems pointless to me. If we can relocate away fans into the south end of the Kilner, and give us the whole south stand, then that'd be a good solution but only if we fill it (which we wouldn't). Trying to divide the south stand on a temporary basis just isn't worth it. IMO we'll make a better atmosphere having fans in the north stand and encouraging fans towards that side to sing. We know the acoustics aren't good from that stand, or anywhere in the ground really, but if we can show some vocal support in an area that has previously been silent, maybe we can encourage a spread of noise across the whole ground..
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Sept 16, 2014 10:18:07 GMT 1
Keep your eyes peeled for two brand new flags being unveiled tonight...
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Post by scoffsablue on Sept 16, 2014 10:41:26 GMT 1
Keep your eyes peeled for two brand new flags being unveiled tonight... The flags arrived to a fanfare at the club at 8 am this morning and will get their first airing tonight in the NS.
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 16, 2014 10:49:12 GMT 1
Think the club need to really decide do they really and I mean really want to make a big difference to the atmosphere in the ground the fans do as seen from the NSL who have got 700+ in past few games desipite being shafted with the worst stand In the ground! I maybe speaking out of turn here as I don't go to the ATT meetings and hear what's said it's just my opinion but we as fans should really push to have a small section of the south stand even if it was just 1000-1200 seats clubs up and down the country with worse reps then us do this week in week out get that let the NSL set up home in there and the atmosphere would improve tenfold even if it was for at first a trail run of three or four home games in a row. But then what do you do with away fans? We can't just have the south stand when there's going to be a small away following- we'll never establish a proper home end if it's on an infrequent basis. It just seems pointless to me. If we can relocate away fans into the south end of the Kilner, and give us the whole south stand, then that'd be a good solution but only if we fill it (which we wouldn't). Trying to divide the south stand on a temporary basis just isn't worth it. IMO we'll make a better atmosphere having fans in the north stand and encouraging fans towards that side to sing. We know the acoustics aren't good from that stand, or anywhere in the ground really, but if we can show some vocal support in an area that has previously been silent, maybe we can encourage a spread of noise across the whole ground.. You just split the stand in half or 1/3 to town fans teams up and down the country do this with very little bother at all as clubs realise home fans are the ones the need to keep happy, we are never going to fill the south stand but a proportion of it could be done with ease an area of say 1000-1200 could be filled in the next home game easily. As for a better view I'm not having that at all but each to the own it's all about opinions it's just my personal view is a south stand split would work far better than the FML.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:12:51 GMT 1
But then what do you do with away fans? We can't just have the south stand when there's going to be a small away following- we'll never establish a proper home end if it's on an infrequent basis. It just seems pointless to me. If we can relocate away fans into the south end of the Kilner, and give us the whole south stand, then that'd be a good solution but only if we fill it (which we wouldn't). Trying to divide the south stand on a temporary basis just isn't worth it. IMO we'll make a better atmosphere having fans in the north stand and encouraging fans towards that side to sing. We know the acoustics aren't good from that stand, or anywhere in the ground really, but if we can show some vocal support in an area that has previously been silent, maybe we can encourage a spread of noise across the whole ground.. You just split the stand in half or 1/3 to town fans teams up and down the country do this with very little bother at all as clubs realise home fans are the ones the need to keep happy, we are never going to fill the south stand but a proportion of it could be done with ease an area of say 1000-1200 could be filled in the next home game easily. As for a better view I'm not having that at all but each to the own it's all about opinions it's just my personal view is a south stand split would work far better than the FML. The view would be inferior as we'd be tucked away in the corner while the away fans enjoy being plum behind the goal,
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Post by Chris461 on Sept 16, 2014 11:24:54 GMT 1
South Stand just isn't viable at the moment. It'd be on and off, which wouldn't help building a core group of support there. Minimum away allocation has to be at least 2,000 I think and most teams will bring that many. Besides, in a stadium where there will be generally between 6-10k spare seats, not giving away fans the maximum possible allocation would be suicidal.
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Post by scoffsablue on Sept 16, 2014 11:54:53 GMT 1
South Stand just isn't viable at the moment. It'd be on and off, which wouldn't help building a core group of support there. Minimum away allocation has to be at least 2,000 I think and most teams will bring that many. Besides, in a stadium where there will be generally between 6-10k spare seats, not giving away fans the maximum possible allocation would be suicidal. Average away attendance at Town last season was around 1200....If we can get a minimum 1500 to commit to going in the SS every week then financially it's a winner all round.....We had 894 in the NS on Saturday....Nearly there.
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