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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2014 18:27:16 GMT 1
I wouldn`t have bothered Teddy. This thread will be down in the annals ( or anals ) of history within the hour - but I am doing my best to help keep it up there ! Could you also bump that thread where I tipped the 16-1 winner of the Ayr good cup ? ?
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Post by north west terrier on Sept 20, 2014 18:27:28 GMT 1
1) Lillis has a worse record in management than all those you have mentioned and isn't he an ex-player too. My point regards Lillis is he got them plaint with passion and tempo. Something that has been missing under Robins and now it seems under Powell. I would not have given the job Lillis. My point is that i feel this is another case of wrong person at the wrong time. It is evident Powell was not number one choice regardless of what was said. 2) If Dean Hoyle was attention seeking then he would be far more in the public eye than he was, I actually think he is quite shy. Dean Hoyle likes to feel like the saviour of Huddersfield. Remember you buy the tickets we will buy the players. To many false dawns and when the fans complain after the abysmal first game he takes it personally. He wasn't even there. 3) The players are more than capable in my eyes, Wells was highly rated at the time, nearly all fna sthought we got a bargain at £1.3M particularly when you see what Assomablonga cost. The players are not capable hence the defeats we are taking. Our 1 to 11 is okay but beyond that and when compared to other teams we are miles behind. Every team we play looks stronger, hungrier, more motivated with more desire and passion. I watch a lot of football with my job and i see things in other games Town do not do. Take the Middlesboro match our plan was to kick it long to Stead who won no headers against a solid back four. Other than that we were devoid of ideas until late when we finally got down the back of them and hurt them. This is our plan B if not Stead its Ward. If you factor in our goalkeeper has the worst distribution i have seen in many years this will not work. 4) We sell some players for value when we can get it and it is clear they will not re-sign with us Clayton for example. Maybe thats the only way we can sell our club play well for a season and we will move you on to a better club. I expect Coady to move within 2 years, same with Butterfield, Wells. Our players don't see Huddersfield as pushing towards the Premier so we are just a stepping stone. I'd rather have players committed to the team. Take Danny Ings had lots of opportunities to move last year but stayed and went up with Burnley., 5) Dean Hoyle has never been anything but honest with fans at these forums if anything too honest about the dealings of the club, you complain about him being the centre of attention and then say he should be honest with us, he has stated numerous times we cannot compete financially with the majority of clubs in this league. That is why he says we do things differently. Smoke and Mirrors - Many teams have small budgets in this league but still field a competitive team.
Do loyal fans lay the blame at the Chairman who has presided over year on year progression in the league standing for the entirity of his helmsmanship?
Year on Year Progression one way to look at it. Last two seasons we have underachieved and survived by the skins of our teeth. This year may be a bridge to far and i feel the club accept this. Progression is putting a competitive team out on the pitch who although may not be made up of stars will run through a brick wall for the team and show some passion!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:27:38 GMT 1
Surely the business links we have forged with our partners in China will help fund the striker we so obviously need?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:27:56 GMT 1
There's some real shite posted on here today.
I really wonder what people expect sometimes?
If we had Jose mourinho as manager and messi and ronaldo in the side, the first time we lost to Leeds it would be suicide time. Canalside is awesome and the club try their best but WE ARE NOT A BIG CLUB.
why should Hoyle stick his hand in his pocket all the time when only 14k of fans can be arsed turning up?
Get a grip, we lost to Leeds, so what?
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2014 18:28:20 GMT 1
How you rate Bunn 9 and Scannell 0 when they had the exact same game is beyond comprehension.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:28:35 GMT 1
What sort of money do people think we should be spending when we're a club with 13,000 gates and haemorrhaging money? Surely, most of us remember the fallout from the Rubery days? To suggest that Hoyle's approach isn't in the best long-term interests of the club is laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:29:07 GMT 1
Has anybody started a thread about the linesman yet?
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Post by ritchie on Sept 20, 2014 18:30:47 GMT 1
Richtea.. Usually your response is measured. .. maybe your pissed off like most of us but the OP has a point. .. This sell and replace strategy is begging to cost us. Our team is mediocre for this level. I've said all along that i think the board are naive if we think we can sell our best players every year and still hope to improve year on year. My biggest criticism of them is i feel we underestimated the championship and started putting established championship plans into action (trying to break even, selling best players, relying on youth players that werent quite ready, thinking we were safe last jan, talking about top 10 finishes etc) before we were an established club. But i understand why we have. To make out dean doesnt back the club with a pissy sarcastic 'thanks' thread is embarrassing - if he never put another penny I would still fully respect him for what he's done with the club overall. Look, everyone knows we need players in, but dean has said for weeks the money is there and i dont see any reason to disbelieve him..i'd say the fact it hasnt yet happened must be more down to the clib, wilson or powell dallying rather than dean being tight. As for the garbage about a 'mere fraction' of the rhodes money being spent - bollocks. What funded vaughans loan wages+transfer fee+current wages, beckford's high wages, wells for 1.25mill, scannell 700k?, clayton 400k?, norwood tribunal, lolley, the year on year shortfall on losses etc??
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Post by fredcarno1 on Sept 20, 2014 18:31:11 GMT 1
Come on Colt you know how much Town fans love someone who runs around without much end product.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 20, 2014 18:31:31 GMT 1
We waited 2 years for a central defender but hey what's the rush.
Let's have a nice Q&A session where we have a good laugh and a joke... Where we say:
we will put round pegs in round holes We will get two strikers on the field when we can as you win more games when you have a threat on the pitch We will be ready for Leeds. We had boro's pants down and we have a better squad plus 1.4m cash.
What a load of shit.
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Post by Giggity on Sept 20, 2014 18:31:38 GMT 1
Not good enough to play as a lone striker. Can't protect the ball and doesn't add anything outside of the box.
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Post by north west terrier on Sept 20, 2014 18:31:48 GMT 1
1) Lillis has a worse record in management than all those you have mentioned and isn't he an ex-player too. My point regards Lillis is he got them plaint with passion and tempo. Something that has been missing under Robins and now it seems under Powell. I would not have given the job Lillis. My point is that i feel this is another case of wrong person at the wrong time. It is evident Powell was not number one choice regardless of what was said. 2) If Dean Hoyle was attention seeking then he would be far more in the public eye than he was, I actually think he is quite shy. Dean Hoyle likes to feel like the saviour of Huddersfield. Remember you buy the tickets we will buy the players. To many false dawns and when the fans complain after the abysmal first game he takes it personally. He wasn't even there. 3) The players are more than capable in my eyes, Wells was highly rated at the time, nearly all fna sthought we got a bargain at £1.3M particularly when you see what Assomablonga cost. The players are not capable hence the defeats we are taking. Our 1 to 11 is okay but beyond that and when compared to other teams we are miles behind. Every team we play looks stronger, hungrier, more motivated with more desire and passion. I watch a lot of football with my job and i see things in other games Town do not do. Take the Middlesboro match our plan was to kick it long to Stead who won no headers against a solid back four. Other than that we were devoid of ideas until late when we finally got down the back of them and hurt them. This is our plan B if not Stead its Ward. If you factor in our goalkeeper has the worst distribution i have seen in many years this will not work. 4) We sell some players for value when we can get it and it is clear they will not re-sign with us Clayton for example. Maybe thats the only way we can sell our club play well for a season and we will move you on to a better club. I expect Coady to move within 2 years, same with Butterfield, Wells. Our players don't see Huddersfield as pushing towards the Premier so we are just a stepping stone. I'd rather have players committed to the team. Take Danny Ings had lots of opportunities to move last year but stayed and went up with Burnley., 5) Dean Hoyle has never been anything but honest with fans at these forums if anything too honest about the dealings of the club, you complain about him being the centre of attention and then say he should be honest with us, he has stated numerous times we cannot compete financially with the majority of clubs in this league. That is why he says we do things differently. Smoke and Mirrors - Many teams have small budgets in this league but still field a competitive team.
Do loyal fans lay the blame at the Chairman who has presided over year on year progression in the league standing for the entirity of his helmsmanship?
Year on Year Progression one way to look at it. Last two seasons we have underachieved and survived by the skins of our teeth. This year may be a bridge to far and i feel the club accept this. Progression is putting a competitive team out on the pitch who although may not be made up of stars will run through a brick wall for the team and show some passion!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:32:24 GMT 1
Come on Colt you know how much Town fans love someone who runs around without much end product. He put a couple on a plate in the second half, but our shocking forward line did their usual trick of fecking it up
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Post by WirralTerrier on Sept 20, 2014 18:32:31 GMT 1
I must be the only one who thought he was crap. Ok running at defenders and attempting to pose a threat when you can't produce a quality final ball. Had a great chance to level the game and instead of getting a composed shot on target, arsholed it into row Z. Is this a wind up? He pulled one back for wells and another back for ward that he nearly scored. Plus he beat his man so many time he got fed up and ended up getting sent off. He put in a few food crosses too with his left that if we had people in the box they could have got on to. Plus he worked back well. Excellent all round performance let down by other players having awful games today
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Post by Jiffrtd on Sept 20, 2014 18:33:11 GMT 1
There's some real shite posted on here today. I really wonder what people expect sometimes? If we had Jose mourinho as manager and messi and ronaldo in the side, the first time we lost to Leeds it would be suicide time. Canalside is awesome and the club try their best but WE ARE NOT A BIG CLUB. why should Hoyle stick his hand in his pocket all the time when only 14k of fans can be arsed turning up? Get a grip, we lost to Leeds, so what? We lost to Leeds, so what? We lost to Leeds...... By the way 8-1 aggregate over last two games. Can't see anything "so what" about that!
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Post by Giggity on Sept 20, 2014 18:33:16 GMT 1
Has anybody started a thread about the linesman yet? He was 5 yards behind play for the majority of the first half. A bit like Town.
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Post by Stewpot on Sept 20, 2014 18:33:21 GMT 1
Unless anyone has anything constructive to say, I suggest we all keep quiet, so the positive threads remain at the top - I don`t, so that`s it really for now !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:33:29 GMT 1
How good were L66ds' strikers today we need to scout serie b and get some for ourselves.
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Post by loumacari on Sept 20, 2014 18:34:58 GMT 1
Wells will score goals if he plays with a big man and you create chances. I thought that was what we bought him to do.
He is not, and will never be, a lone target man that holds the ball up and works the channels. Anyone expecting him to do that is in cloud cuckoo land.
The blame here lies with Wilson and Hoyle for not addressing this blatantly obvious gap in our squad for the last 12 months.
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Post by Giggity on Sept 20, 2014 18:35:33 GMT 1
Smithies should have save the first goal. The shot was straight at him yet he appeared to fall under the ball.
Only Bunn, Hudson and maybe Coady and Scannell can come out of that game with any credit. The rest were poor.
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Post by north west terrier on Sept 20, 2014 18:36:19 GMT 1
This is a first time post and not a knee jerk reaction to todays result but a balanced view over the last few years of seeing town go backwards. I have followed Town over 30 years through good, bad and bloody awful. My blame lies squarely at the door of Dean Hoyle and the Directors of Huddersfield. Before the Dean Hoyle is god brigade please hear me out as this is not a personal attack but a look at his failures during his reign. 1) A string of poor appointments for manager all of the same mould. Ex players who are trying to cut there teeth in management but have not been proven at this level of the game. Clark, Grayson, Robins and now Powell were managers learning there trade. I appreciate Grayson had a bit more experience but is still a relatively young manager. Mark Lillis has been around the game for a long time and knew how to get the players playing but more importantly understood Huddersfield town. What you promised was someone who has been there and done it. Powell took a team out of our league and had one season in the Championship. Hardly experienced. 2) Dean Hoyle likes to be centre of attention - take Powells first meeting at the Canalside. Dean sat smugly dishing information which should be kept behind closed doors. It had a jokey feel but in truth we are not a club in a position to laugh at others. Okay selling Clayton for £1.5m and getting Butterfield for £300k is great business sense. But so is selling a BMW and getting a Ford Focus instead. I would love some of the Middlesborough players in our squad. Infact most teams in our division play with more idea than we do.And did you really mean you would walk away from Town if you got a bit of stick!! Aww hope we didn't bruise your ego!! IF you did then you should have walked away. Someone is always willing to finance a team. Fans pay hard earned money to watch the constant stream of passionless shite on a Saturday. Yet another manager taking up Mick Wadsworth leaning post. Are they chained to it??? Are they not allowed in the technical area as it may damage the grass. 3) Player identification - This is the one that really sticks for me. We signed Robinson who isn't a patch on Dixon and play him. We have two left backs two right backs four centre halfs, 20 midfielders and 1 average championship forward in Wells and James Vaughan who unfortunately is only with us due to his injury problems. Last year when we lost Vaughan (again!!) we sent Stead and Patterson out on loan and relied on Wells and Danny Ward(who it is beyond me gets chance after chance!!). What would have happened if Wells got injured?? This problem s being played out again this season. 1 goal in 3 games under Powell and 3 for the rest of the season is woeful. At this early stage why has this problem not been addressed. 4) The club has created a culture of players who play for themselves not the team, shirt or the badge. Take Clayton, Hunt, Norwood, the first sign of a chance to move they go off the boil until we sell them normally just before the deadline so we cannot replace them. If we do we sign inferior players. 5)Time has come to be clear with the fans - ARE WE ACCEPTING WE CANNOT COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL AND WE ARE AT BEST A LEAGUE 1 CLUB. Thats how it feels to loyal fans who help fund the club albeit not to your level. All in bold i agree the rest is pure dogshit Feel free to explain why its dog shit Do you feel the appointments have been good ones ?? Is Powell the man we need or would an experienced campaigner have been better?? The players we have sold over the years and not doubting they have been good business for Town i.e Rhodes (helped us with FFP due to our poor turnover) Pilkington, Peltier, Hunt, Clayton, Norwood. Did we replace them with players who can make an impact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:36:38 GMT 1
Has anybody started a thread about the linesman yet? He was 5 yards behind play for the majority of the first half. A bit like Town. How come we didn't get corners off wards deflected shot, and Wells' first half free kick? These questions need to be asked while were bemoaning the officials.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2014 18:36:42 GMT 1
There's some real shite posted on here today. I really wonder what people expect sometimes? If we had Jose mourinho as manager and messi and ronaldo in the side, the first time we lost to Leeds it would be suicide time. Canalside is awesome and the club try their best but WE ARE NOT A BIG CLUB. why should Hoyle stick his hand in his pocket all the time when only 14k of fans can be arsed turning up? Get a grip, we lost to Leeds, so what? It's fuck all to do with losing to L**ds you empty head. We have issues and they are issues that the chairman needs to get a grip of asap. Fuckin Canalside, i hope you enjoy sitting in there next season in league 1 and in a crowd of 10k, because if it isn't addressed by the powers that be, thats where we are heading.
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Post by deadleg on Sept 20, 2014 18:36:52 GMT 1
Come on Colt you know how much Town fans love someone who runs around without much end product. He put a couple on a plate in the second half, but our shocking forward line did their usual trick of fecking it up In the first half he put a few into really good areas too, one of them in particular he did brilliantly to get in. No-one was there to get on the end of them though which certainly isn't his fault.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:37:28 GMT 1
There's some real shite posted on here today. I really wonder what people expect sometimes? If we had Jose mourinho as manager and messi and ronaldo in the side, the first time we lost to Leeds it would be suicide time. Canalside is awesome and the club try their best but WE ARE NOT A BIG CLUB. why should Hoyle stick his hand in his pocket all the time when only 14k of fans can be arsed turning up? Get a grip, we lost to Leeds, so what? We lost to Leeds, so what? We lost to Leeds...... By the way 8-1 aggregate over last two games. Can't see anything "so what" about that! But it's one game. It's not a cup final. We need to start winning and I'm sure we will. Personally, I think the players let the "occasion" get to them today and they're better than that. We have still beaten Leeds many more times than they have beaten us so chill.... We lost 3 points and the bragging rights today. So we move onto the next game. UTT!!
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Post by hotshot on Sept 20, 2014 18:38:10 GMT 1
At least he played, Peltier at right back! Robinson at left back is a worry for me though, struggles to get back, gets caught out of position and nearly gifted them the opener with an undersold back pass to smithies.
Dixon would be the preferred option for me moving forward. My worry is, I wonder if we are duty bound to play Robinson as part of the loan deal?
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 20, 2014 18:39:05 GMT 1
Well if it was 2 then thats a quarter of 8 isnt it? that makes it a fraction, do the maths! £7.9m would also be a fraction, you idiot. What's an acceptable fraction to you?! The fraction we spent 25% or less was on an unproven player at this level. Do you think removing 8 million pounds from a team can be successfully replaced by spending only a quarter of that. How has that money strengthened us exactly ? An acceptable fraction to me would have been 50% or HALF especially from a chairman who is a fan. We are currently reaping what we have sowed, and you cannot defend the boards lack of action on this as it is pretty much indefensible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:39:20 GMT 1
We've lost a good outlet down the left in Dixon. Robinson is not the answer, all he does it pass sideways and backward
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:39:43 GMT 1
What sort of money do people think we should be spending when we're a club with 13,000 gates and haemorrhaging money? Surely, most of us remember the fallout from the Rubery days? To suggest that Hoyle's approach isn't in the best long-term interests of the club is laughable. Surely to not question the approach of an organisation that is deep in relegation trouble is laughable Question away. It's important to. What you will find is that through his appearances at various supporters' meetings the facts laid bare: if we're not financially prudent, we're going out of business. People talk like he's doing a Karl Oysten at Blackpool. He's not; he's doing a Peter Hill-Wood at Arsenal.
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Post by Giggity on Sept 20, 2014 18:39:52 GMT 1
Calm down, calm down!!!! Leeds is a great game to win, and an awful one to lose, but in reality its just another game. Disappointed? No, I'm gutted!!!!! But its just another game. Derby games are always difficult to use as an indicator of form. Not claiming second sight or anything, but I did say when the fixtures came out that it was a tough start and we could be bottom at the end of oct. But there's such a long way to go. Whether we like it or not, we have the squad we have and the manager as well for that matter. We may as well put this behind us, get behind the team and the manager and go for 3 pts, shit-or-bust against Miwaw. That's the thing. You would at least expect the players to be fired up for this game. Leeds got in our faces and played with intent. We gave them time on the ball, had no ideas or drive going forward and worst of all took an age to retrieve the ball.
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