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Post by York Terrier on Nov 23, 2014 17:39:33 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team.
The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create.
Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Nov 23, 2014 17:42:54 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow put anyone's candle here but it just won't work we can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and stop all this silly messing about it's the only way we can ever recreate the noise at away games. The away fans will never be housed in the north stand.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Nov 23, 2014 17:44:17 GMT 1
NSL is about enhancing your OWN matchday atmosphere and your OWN experience watching Town, and the NSL is achieving that. Yes we'd all love the South Stand but it ain't gonna happen, so do yourself a favour and get in the FML and have a laugh rather than having a moan. This argument is getting so tiresome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 17:45:09 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. Are you commenting as a North Stand person yourself or as an onlooker?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 17:45:38 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. Been here a thousand times.. Why don't you just live and let live and stop creating crap threads ..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 17:45:30 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. im sure the Town fans will want exec boxes and a bar in the away end
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Post by York Terrier on Nov 23, 2014 17:45:53 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow put anyone's candle here but it just won't work we can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and stop all this silly messing about it's the only way we can ever recreate the noise at away games. The away fans will never be housed in the north stand. Why not it happens at most other clubs fans mingle Derby QPR Norwich even Leeds everything is possible if we try to make it happen.
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Post by York Terrier on Nov 23, 2014 17:48:00 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. Been here a thousand times.. Why don't you just live and let live and stop creating crap threads .. Herbet by name Herbet by nature have you eaten that SS humble pie yet ?
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Post by Derby Blue on Nov 23, 2014 17:53:28 GMT 1
Been in once or twice this season and it's alright when you're in there but the noise just doesn't carry. Desperately need the south stand and put away fans in Kilner. When I said this last time people said there wasn't enough demand but I genuinely believe we could sell at least 2k season tickets in the south stand and the atmosphere would be considerably better than it is now that's for sure
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 17:54:44 GMT 1
Been here a thousand times.. Why don't you just live and let live and stop creating crap threads .. Herbet by name Herbet by nature have you eaten that SS humble pie yet ? That makes no sense on multiple levels Well done
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Post by Sio on Nov 23, 2014 17:55:44 GMT 1
The away fans will never be housed in the north stand. Why not it happens at most other clubs fans mingle Derby QPR Norwich even Leeds everything is possible if we try to make it happen. And how are YOU intending on trying to make it happen? Waiting for others to do the work, I'm guessing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 17:58:58 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. What a strange thread, if you don't want to go in the North stand, then don't. Problem solved. I wonder why the club have never explained why it is so difficult to get away fans in the South Stand? Oh wait, they have www.htafc.com/news/article/supporter-group-south-stand-explanation-1435581.aspxHave you not seen this before, or can you just not understand it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:01:06 GMT 1
Do you know what would be easier, if each and every individual that wants a decent atmosphere, stood up and made some noise. It really is that simple.
The NSL has brought something to the ground that it's never seen, a colourful and vibrant end behind the goals. If individual fans cant be arsed to sing, there's not a lot we can do about it until they change their attitudes, but in the meantime we'll keep doing what we do, and that is to try and provide some stimulation to others.
Those in the NSL love it, and those in the upper tier love it too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:02:55 GMT 1
Been here a thousand times.. Why don't you just live and let live and stop creating crap threads .. Herbet by name Herbet by nature have you eaten that SS humble pie yet ? It's 'Herbert', Herbert.
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Post by detox on Nov 23, 2014 18:16:36 GMT 1
while i sympathise with your desire for the South Stand, this discussion has gone on for years and there is much opposition to it.
These include health and safety, the police, HTAFC, Safety advisory group, john robinson, many Town fans themselves (who might be asked to move seats)..and even I suspect KSDL with their HDOne project...and I suspect the Giants aren't bothered either.
All that are in favour of it are about 800 fans maybe 1,000. Trials proved there wasn't enough demand and of course the North stand isn't suitable for away fans as it's the clubs official family stand, at least the upper tier is...and there's no coach parking there..unlike the south stand.
If there was 'massive' support from the fans then maybe HTAFC would think about supporting it...but there isn't and so they aren't.
The Long term plan is to fill the FML, and then have fans complaining they can't join in there..with around 2,000 NSL's it might get HTAFC to think again...but even then not all the 2,000 would want to go in the south stand.
HTAFC are not going to commit time and money to something where no real demand exists are they..most Town fans want to sit in the same seat they have done for the past n years, with the same family and friends around them and the same routine every game...they don't want to do anything about anything apart from sit and watch the game once a fortnight.
That is the reality, I've realised it and so have many others...nobody is interested anymore..we can't even get a regular 1,000 in the FML so where the chuff we going to get 4,000 for the south stand, rent a crowd ?
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Post by Sio on Nov 23, 2014 18:18:16 GMT 1
while i sympathise with your desire for the South Stand, this discussion has gone on for years and there is much opposition to it. These include health and safety, the police, HTAFC, Safety advisory group, john robinson, many Town fans themselves (who might be asked to move seats)..and even I suspect KSDL with their HDOne project...and I suspect the Giants aren't bothered either. All that are in favour of it are about 800 fans maybe 1,000. Trials proved there wasn't enough demand and of course the North stand isn't suitable for away fans as it's the clubs official family stand, at least the upper tier is...and there's no coach parking there..unlike the south stand. If there was 'massive' support from the fans then maybe HTAFC would think about supporting it...but there isn't and so they aren't. The Long term plan is to fill the FML, and then have fans complaining they can't join in there..with around 2,000 NSL's it might get HTAFC to think again...but even then not all the 2,000 would want to go in the south stand. HTAFC are not going to commit time and money to something where no real demand exists are they..most Town fans want to sit in the same seat they have done for the past n years, with the same family and friends around them and the same routine every game...they don't want to do anything about anything apart from sit and watch the game once a fortnight. That is the reality, I've realised it and so have many others...nobody is interested anymore..we can't even get a regular 1,000 in the FML so where the chuff we going to get 4,000 for the south stand, rent a crowd ? Spot on
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2014 18:21:15 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow put anyone's candle here but it just won't work we can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and stop all this silly messing about it's the only way we can ever recreate the noise at away games. The away fans will never be housed in the north stand. Never is a big word. People affect change. If every fan refused to go to a game we would have the South stand in a week. Its not safety, its bloody-mindedness. We will never again have any success without a home end. Even if it takes an entire new ground, £20 mill and 20 years it would be better than this stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:24:31 GMT 1
Do you know what would be easier, if each and every individual that wants a decent atmosphere, stood up and made some noise. It really is that simple. The NSL has brought something to the ground that it's never seen, a colourful and vibrant end behind the goals. If individual fans cant be arsed to sing, there's not a lot we can do about it until they change their attitudes, but in the meantime we'll keep doing what we do, and that is to try and provide some stimulation to others. Those in the NSL love it, and those in the upper tier love it too. too fookin right. highlight of my matchday. how anyone can criticise anyone wanting to improve on the matchday experience is beyond me.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2014 18:24:47 GMT 1
If the club took pledges for season tickets in the South stand for next season, and promised we would have it if 2500 signed up, i am certain these silly obstacles could be removed. Of course no-one wants to go in the North stand, the 700 hardy souls that do are fighting for a cause, not a bloody seat.
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Post by Derby Blue on Nov 23, 2014 18:28:42 GMT 1
Baffling to say there's no demand. We initially got about 1500 in the south stand when it was split in league one. This was with us still having the south end of Britannia so some people still went in there. The only reason we didn't get more than 1500 was because it was temporary
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:30:20 GMT 1
I actually think the North Stand has the potential to be way better than the South. My personal opinion, but the facilities and view in the upper tier are the best in the ground. Get that end reasonably full, and lots of folk singing and it will be better that the South Stand could ever be.
Tight fisted hardy souls in the bottom, folk wanting a bit more comfort in the top, everybody singing. Epic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:31:15 GMT 1
If the club took pledges for season tickets in the South stand for next season, and promised we would have it if 2500 signed up, i am certain these silly obstacles could be removed. Of course no-one wants to go in the North stand, the 700 hardy souls that do are fighting for a cause, not a bloody seat. I really doubt there would be anywhere near that level of interest. When they experimented with it previously there was a similar numbers that are going in the North Stand and it dropped off. Even if they did get those numbers, it isn't ultimately the club that would have the final say, but the police and why would they care enough to make life more difficult for themselves?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 23, 2014 18:36:33 GMT 1
It's great that folk have put so much into this. Our ground is completely soulless It was shocking yesterday, bet it looked empty on the box The NSL a couldn't be heard from where I sit. Big shame
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Post by Derby Blue on Nov 23, 2014 18:37:59 GMT 1
while i sympathise with your desire for the South Stand, this discussion has gone on for years and there is much opposition to it. These include health and safety, the police, HTAFC, Safety advisory group, john robinson, many Town fans themselves (who might be asked to move seats)..and even I suspect KSDL with their HDOne project...and I suspect the Giants aren't bothered either. All that are in favour of it are about 800 fans maybe 1,000. Trials proved there wasn't enough demand and of course the North stand isn't suitable for away fans as it's the clubs official family stand, at least the upper tier is...and there's no coach parking there..unlike the south stand. If there was 'massive' support from the fans then maybe HTAFC would think about supporting it...but there isn't and so they aren't. The Long term plan is to fill the FML, and then have fans complaining they can't join in there..with around 2,000 NSL's it might get HTAFC to think again...but even then not all the 2,000 would want to go in the south stand. HTAFC are not going to commit time and money to something where no real demand exists are they..most Town fans want to sit in the same seat they have done for the past n years, with the same family and friends around them and the same routine every game...they don't want to do anything about anything apart from sit and watch the game once a fortnight. That is the reality, I've realised it and so have many others...nobody is interested anymore..we can't even get a regular 1,000 in the FML so where the chuff we going to get 4,000 for the south stand, rent a crowd ? There's no doubt we'd get far more in south stand than in fml because there's plenty like me who'd go in south stand but not fml on a regular basis, because the acoustics are good
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Post by seanyd1brit on Nov 23, 2014 18:38:17 GMT 1
Tell you what will change this debate? Promotion to the premier league.
There'd be enough demand then.
In the meantime, I applaud the NSL for trying. At least they've given people something real to gravitate to.
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Post by impact on Nov 23, 2014 18:44:42 GMT 1
while i sympathise with your desire for the South Stand, this discussion has gone on for years and there is much opposition to it. These include health and safety, the police, HTAFC, Safety advisory group, john robinson, many Town fans themselves (who might be asked to move seats)..and even I suspect KSDL with their HDOne project...and I suspect the Giants aren't bothered either. All that are in favour of it are about 800 fans maybe 1,000. Trials proved there wasn't enough demand and of course the North stand isn't suitable for away fans as it's the clubs official family stand, at least the upper tier is...and there's no coach parking there..unlike the south stand. If there was 'massive' support from the fans then maybe HTAFC would think about supporting it...but there isn't and so they aren't. The Long term plan is to fill the FML, and then have fans complaining they can't join in there..with around 2,000 NSL's it might get HTAFC to think again...but even then not all the 2,000 would want to go in the south stand. HTAFC are not going to commit time and money to something where no real demand exists are they..most Town fans want to sit in the same seat they have done for the past n years, with the same family and friends around them and the same routine every game...they don't want to do anything about anything apart from sit and watch the game once a fortnight. That is the reality, I've realised it and so have many others...nobody is interested anymore..we can't even get a regular 1,000 in the FML so where the chuff we going to get 4,000 for the south stand, rent a crowd ? There's no doubt we'd get far more in south stand than in fml because there's plenty like me who'd go in south stand but not fml on a regular basis, because the acoustics are good There is a doubt - as detox said we couldn't get enough in for a few trials so what chance have we got for every match in a season? Not sure those who have said housing away fans in the Kilner is a good idea either. It's the most popular stand and would be causing more trouble forcing people to move than it's worth.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 18:49:24 GMT 1
sit/stand where you like.. support how you want to/see fit(within reason of course)..you pays your money etc..
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Nov 23, 2014 18:49:35 GMT 1
The away fans will never be housed in the north stand. Never is a big word. People affect change. If every fan refused to go to a game we would have the South stand in a week. Its not safety, its bloody-mindedness. We will never again have any success without a home end. Even if it takes an entire new ground, £20 mill and 20 years it would be better than this stupidity. I didn't say we would never be in the south stand, I said the away fans will never be housed in the north stand. Not while the swimming pool, cinema and council offices are at that end anyway.
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Post by Derby Blue on Nov 23, 2014 18:53:46 GMT 1
There's no doubt we'd get far more in south stand than in fml because there's plenty like me who'd go in south stand but not fml on a regular basis, because the acoustics are good There is a doubt - as detox said we couldn't get enough in for a few trials so what chance have we got for every match in a season? Not sure those who have said housing away fans in the Kilner is a good idea either. It's the most popular stand and would be causing more trouble forcing people to move than it's worth. Disagree, the 800 or so in the fml would go in, then there'd be plenty others from other stands who'd go in, particularly the Kilner. I dare say some who don't go to home games altogether may be tempted as well
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Post by detox on Nov 23, 2014 18:55:08 GMT 1
On Sky it was deathly quiet..you could just make out a few distant voices but in many respects that was worse as it seemd like we only had 20 fans singing. I';ve never yet heard anything from the FMU fans, ever...and as for the Riverside, well just the odd occasion when some fans gather at the south end lower tier...but that is not encouraged by club or police. The only 'real' source of noise is the Kilner bank stand, and always will be despite the valiant efforts of the NSL..
The south stand will only work for us if we get at least 3,000 fans in there, every game. Even the wendies who brought 2,300 hardly registered on the sky tv noise monitor...although with no 'effects' microphones the whole stadium felt like just 1,000 had turned up for the game.
The only way things will change, even with the FML filled to capacity, is for the club to take a gamble on the south stand and offer it up for home fans, with all the disruption and unsettling of some fans that would cause. Even priced at mega discounted prices the overall cost is way to much and if you read the link to the clubs response to the ATT group posted above, you can see it is riddled with negativity.
The lack of atmosphere is not solely down to where fans sit, it's down to too many fans who can not be arsed ...and that I'm afraid is the fact at HTAFC...we get what we deserve...Highly critical and quick to moan, yet not prepared to do anything about it (apart from the NSL)..and a club which shows no real initiative or fresh ideas unless really pushed into it. meanwhile gates are dropping season by season, the atmosphere gets worse and so it goes on , and on.. and not just at our ground either, but across football in all leagues.
At some point in time things might change and we might actually look at how the germans do it, for example, but I think i'll be long gone by the time that happens..
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