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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 12:23:45 GMT 1
Have people ever thought it isn't the managers but the owner? Hoyle talks a good game about not wanting us to go bust and complying with FFP, but while following these factors we are not progressing in the championship. It is often said that businesses need to take risks and don't believe that we have took many. At the end of last season he tried to take credit away from Bournemouth by saying that they lost about 12 million, but look where they are now. Mabey we need to spend more money on several players and not just one i.e Wells to really see progression. Opinions? When you say "Mabey (sic) we need to spend money.." Could you just clarify who "we" is? Huddersfield....
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 23, 2014 12:51:05 GMT 1
When you say "Mabey (sic) we need to spend money.." Could you just clarify who "we" is? Huddersfield.... I remember the days when anybody caught cheating to win or gain in sport would bury their head in shame . Today it seems an acceptable part of running a football club by some unless you have a chairman with morals like Mr Hoyle. The sporting side of the game was lost many years ago when serious money was introduced into the game , and where there is money there will allways be greed . It is very easy to introduce rules into sport , but enforcing them is entirely another thing . It is down to the football league to ensure that no club " gains in anyway " by breaking the F F P rules, and that includes gaining promotion or buying players. I find it very sad in todays game when certain chairman do not know the meaning of the word FAIR, but the introduction of the £ 120 million premier league promotion honey pot plus £60 million parachute payments far exeeds a measly £30 million fine.
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Post by terrierng on Dec 23, 2014 13:03:58 GMT 1
This is it exactly, the reason of fair play went as soon as sky started paying obscene amounts to the prem league, the pros far outweigh the cons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:06:02 GMT 1
I remember the days when anybody caught cheating to win or gain in sport would bury their head in shame . Today it seems an acceptable part of running a football club by some unless you have a chairman with morals like Mr Hoyle. The sporting side of the game was lost many years ago when serious money was introduced into the game , and where there is money there will allways be greed . It is very easy to introduce rules into sport , but enforcing them is entirely another thing . It is down to the football league to ensure that no club " gains in anyway " by breaking the F F P rules, and that includes gaining promotion or buying players. I find it very sad in todays game when certain chairman do not know the meaning of the word FAIR, but the introduction of the £ 120 million premier league promotion honey pot plus £60 million parachute payments far exeeds a measly £30 million fine. I totally agree that Hoyle runs the club in a very good way, but we are still lingering at the bottom of the championship. We keep selling our best players and replacing them with cheaper options (which is not always bad i.e Clayton and Butterfield which worked out), but think we should invest more of the money. We got £8 million for Rhodes and never really replaced him properly i.m.o with Vaughan being injured and Well's a league 1 player. I believe that we will be in this position season after season unless we invest more money, and start to aim for mid table finish.
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Post by terrierng on Dec 23, 2014 13:16:13 GMT 1
I remember the days when anybody caught cheating to win or gain in sport would bury their head in shame . Today it seems an acceptable part of running a football club by some unless you have a chairman with morals like Mr Hoyle. The sporting side of the game was lost many years ago when serious money was introduced into the game , and where there is money there will allways be greed . It is very easy to introduce rules into sport , but enforcing them is entirely another thing . It is down to the football league to ensure that no club " gains in anyway " by breaking the F F P rules, and that includes gaining promotion or buying players. I find it very sad in todays game when certain chairman do not know the meaning of the word FAIR, but the introduction of the £ 120 million premier league promotion honey pot plus £60 million parachute payments far exeeds a measly £30 million fine. I totally agree that Hoyle runs the club in a very good way, but we are still lingering at the bottom of the championship. We keep selling our best players and replacing them with cheaper options (which is not always bad i.e Clayton and Butterfield which worked out), but think we should invest more of the money. We got £8 million for Rhodes and never really replaced him properly i.m.o with Vaughan being injured and Well's a league 1 player. I believe that we will be in this position season after season unless we invest more money, and start to aim for mid table finish. How many more times about the rhodes money! We never got it all upfront and what we did paid for vaughan and beckfords wages for that season....money well spent as it kept us up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 14:06:19 GMT 1
I totally agree that Hoyle runs the club in a very good way, but we are still lingering at the bottom of the championship. We keep selling our best players and replacing them with cheaper options (which is not always bad i.e Clayton and Butterfield which worked out), but think we should invest more of the money. We got £8 million for Rhodes and never really replaced him properly i.m.o with Vaughan being injured and Well's a league 1 player. I believe that we will be in this position season after season unless we invest more money, and start to aim for mid table finish. How many more times about the rhodes money! We never got it all upfront and what we did paid for vaughan and beckfords wages for that season....money well spent as it kept us up. Yes agree that first season was vital with loans but haven't made a purchase up front to replace Rhodes , Well's was an unproven championship scorer and Vaughan is robbing 15k a week. We should have been looking at championship or out of favour premiership striker and have ambition with our squad.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 23, 2014 14:18:22 GMT 1
Rhodes was unproven in this division also when we sold him so you could say that on that score we replaced like for like.
Wells has the potential to be a top striker whilst not in the same class as Rhodes but I don't recall one dissenting voice when he was signed. And I frimly believe that he will be a 20+ goal striker in this league.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 23, 2014 14:30:39 GMT 1
football is about getting the result, the performance is almost secondary. as we have produced neither in the last two games then we clearly learnt nothing from either. we cant beat a team and we cant get a lucky/hard fought win. as we had one chance in the first half, lucky break to holt and we had one long shot in the 2nd half then its pretty clear we didn't actually do enough to beat the opposition or obtain a slice of luck to grab the points. The tactical geniuses on here will probably tell you that having enough people in or around the opposition box may 'lead' to a lucky break to one of them, similarly enough balls put into the box may well lead to a chance being created etc etc.. sitting deep and lumping it up to one bloke and failing to support him, usually ends up like Saturday with nothing much happening..
tactical genius??? just people who watch football, its not brain surgery...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 15:08:27 GMT 1
Rhodes was unproven in this division also when we sold him so you could say that on that score we replaced like for like. Wells has the potential to be a top striker whilst not in the same class as Rhodes but I don't recall one dissenting voice when he was signed. And I frimly believe that he will be a 20+ goal striker in this league. I might be wrong here just basing this on what I can remember, but Rhodes was clinical in league one scoring if im correct 30-40 goals in a season, and when we go promoted did he score in a couple of games? But I don't think Well's will ever be the same as Rhodes. Just my opinion.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 23, 2014 15:26:40 GMT 1
mel...
serious question here..
how many transfer windows do we look forward to until the incumbent has a really good one that changes the club overnight?
how many of the squad that he cant get to work consistently at the moment will be in the starting 11 of the first game in February?
there are as many clubs who bring in new managers who get a good reaction which lasts a reasonable length of time as not, why are town not in that equation?
why are we happy to be here and to allow the run of managers we have had to continue just about getting by till they are sacked..?
If its all about money why are Brentford way above us and leeds/wigan etc down at the bottom with us???
win/lose or draw do you think Town are better off looking to attack the game rather than to try and stifle it and sneak something??
Do you believe there is any future for us in playing a holding 3 in midfield and hoping that Holt or someone else together with the two wide players(occasionally) can produce enough, often enough to score enough goals to win enough points?
I am much more worried about the approach to games and the general 'feeling' about the team than the results. We could easily have scored 2 at Norwich before it went tits up? Why change the whole approach the next week at home? I just don't understand it..
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Post by mickydombat on Dec 23, 2014 18:31:04 GMT 1
Powell has shown in the last 2 games that he is banking on luck, but if this his managerial approach he needs to sort himself out quickly. 3 more defeats and even the blind will say enough !, please enough.! Mr Powell use the players you've got properly and stop being a wuss.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 18:32:44 GMT 1
mel... serious question here.. how many transfer windows do we look forward to until the incumbent has a really good one that changes the club overnight? how many of the squad that he cant get to work consistently at the moment will be in the starting 11 of the first game in February? there are as many clubs who bring in new managers who get a good reaction which lasts a reasonable length of time as not, why are town not in that equation? why are we happy to be here and to allow the run of managers we have had to continue just about getting by till they are sacked..? If its all about money why are Brentford way above us and leeds/wigan etc down at the bottom with us??? win/lose or draw do you think Town are better off looking to attack the game rather than to try and stifle it and sneak something?? Do you believe there is any future for us in playing a holding 3 in midfield and hoping that Holt or someone else together with the two wide players(occasionally) can produce enough, often enough to score enough goals to win enough points? I am much more worried about the approach to games and the general 'feeling' about the team than the results. We could easily have scored 2 at Norwich before it went tits up? Why change the whole approach the next week at home? I just don't understand it.. So after 15? Games do you think Powell is the wrong man? Unbeaten run of 7 games in there, and since then we've had some good performances that haven't yielded results. How many bad performances have we had? I know you want us to go out and attack attack attack, and yes it might work for a game or two but the opposition would soon figure it out, then what?
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Post by mickydombat on Dec 23, 2014 18:36:45 GMT 1
What we don't want is Powell saying we are happy with a 0-0 at home , Who said ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 19:09:33 GMT 1
What we don't want is Powell saying we are happy with a 0-0 at home , Who said ? Please point out when and where Powell quoted "we are happy with a 0-0 at home" I think you'll struggle to find it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 23, 2014 19:18:33 GMT 1
the impression is that he believed it should have been 0-0 ... same as when robins could only 'see draws' in games lost..
sorry, you cant be pedantic about this, it wont wash. it was a negative approach, even after conceding, followed by a very negative almost acceptance of the defeat.. been here before..
by the way mel, we have had decent periods in games and have lost them due to changing what we were doing and was working.
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Post by rocky on Dec 23, 2014 19:26:52 GMT 1
What we don't want is Powell saying we are happy with a 0-0 at home , Who said ? Please point out when and where Powell quoted "we are happy with a 0-0 at home" I think you'll struggle to find it. Time & time again we see posts saying Powell said so & so, whereas in fact he's said something completely different. Same with the last manager and the one before him and .......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 19:31:54 GMT 1
the impression is that he believed it should have been 0-0 ... same as when robins could only 'see draws' in games lost.. sorry, you cant be pedantic about this, it wont wash. it was a negative approach, even after conceding, followed by a very negative almost acceptance of the defeat.. been here before.. by the way mel, we have had decent periods in games and have lost them due to changing what we were doing and was working. Quote. Chris Powell. " The worst we should have come away with is 0-0"
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Post by mickydombat on Dec 23, 2014 20:25:16 GMT 1
The worst was they would score and his plans were up the swanee
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Post by boofers on Dec 23, 2014 21:11:51 GMT 1
If my boss told me I was being replaced next month I would probably toss it off
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Post by villageidiot on Dec 23, 2014 22:24:17 GMT 1
actual quote from town twatter
CP: "it looked like a 0-0. The two teams were evenly matched & there wasn't a lot in it. We started off in decent fettle." #htafc (DTS)
two questions/comments
1. if it looked like 0-0 why the firk didn't you change something ? 2. if that's setting off in fine fettle - heaven help us when we start of ponderous
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 22:44:46 GMT 1
Or instead of cherry picking we could read the report in its entirety? link
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Post by villageidiot on Dec 23, 2014 22:55:09 GMT 1
Or instead of cherry picking we could read the report in its entirety? linkdon't shoot the messenger - its the club that put it out in this delightful soundbite via twitter... something to do with 140 letters or summat - have a go at them if they choose to put out this crap on a Saturday evening -
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 23:04:27 GMT 1
Or instead of cherry picking we could read the report in its entirety? linkdon't shoot the messenger - its the club that put it out in this delightful soundbite via twitter... something to do with 140 letters or summat - have a go at them if they choose to put out this crap on a Saturday evening - I normally get a link to the full report off twitter, I missed that particular soundbite, unfortunate but hardly Powells fault.
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Post by Giggity on Dec 24, 2014 0:56:28 GMT 1
Proactive and positive, Powell is not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 7:44:14 GMT 1
Proactive and positive, Powell is not. He'd fit in wonderfully round here then.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 24, 2014 8:36:29 GMT 1
mel.. we don't get paid handsomely to be proactive and positive..we pay through the nose to expect the manager and players to be, if nothing else..
im proactive and positive about town even if they have only given me a inkling to work on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 8:48:26 GMT 1
CP got it wrong against Brum,for me he should have had the subs on after 50 minutes, leaving it until after they scored was far too late.As for having xmas day off, so what, weve got 2 big games in 3 days, makes sense to me. Finally it's much too early to judge Powell, lets see what happens in the January transfer window.
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 24, 2014 9:55:56 GMT 1
My only hope is Powell isn't a stubborn manager, realises his mistakes and moves on. The alarm bells always start ringing when a manager says "I'm sticking with my principles" after a poor performance. I'm not advocating change for it's own sake, but just realising where things went wrong and taking steps to rectify it. (It could be argued he took such steps after the drubbing at Norwich by trying to be more defensive against Birmingham, but that's where he made a wrong call in my opinion by being too negative at home to a poor side.)
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Post by Floyds on Dec 24, 2014 12:32:47 GMT 1
We all make mistakes, it's how we learn from them and react next time that's key.
For me, we played exactly as we had done in the Sheffield Wednesday game, when the tactics didn't work either.
And he really should have been more positive and made changes at half time (if not before) rather than let it drift for so long.
Let's hope that this time, he does learn and sets us up in a better frame of mind next time out.
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Post by terrierng on Dec 24, 2014 13:19:30 GMT 1
We all make mistakes, it's how we learn from them and react next time that's key. For me, we played exactly as we had done in the Sheffield Wednesday game, when the tactics didn't work either. And he really should have been more positive and made changes at half time (if not before) rather than let it drift for so long. Let's hope that this time, he does learn and sets us up in a better frame of mind next time out. He should of made the change earlier i agree but brum wernt exactly troubling us though, it wasnt like we were getting battered,we were in control and a bit better finishing by us and we could of been a goal or two up,my beef with powell was that he seemed to accept a draw against a poor side was ok,prob cos we were coming off a hanmering,they had just scored six,but with a little more nous or adventure bringing wells and vaughan on earlier would imo had won us the game...even though they,a team who had scored six the game before never threatened us....powell needs to go for games more than be too conservative, that cost robins his job.
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