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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 4, 2015 0:07:19 GMT 1
Gobern had a cracking game once, forgot which it was at home. Even he is much better than Edgar David's . Watford?
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 4, 2015 0:09:57 GMT 1
Gotta play one of our U21 defenders on Sat, it can't get any worse and you never know we could unearth a gem.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 4, 2015 0:12:06 GMT 1
Gotta play one of our U21 defenders on Sat, it can't get any worse and you never know we could unearth a gem. Deffo, I agree, what's to bloody lose. We created one chance tonight. A midfield dross mind numb of Edgar alan Poe, Hogg and Butts. Get Gobern and a young lad in on sat and drop Wallace
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 4, 2015 0:12:40 GMT 1
Worried about the quality of these kids we've got in the academy some we've gone to great lengths to bring here from abroad if a very mediocre centrehalf from Birminghams reserves is getting a game in midfield. Like has been said I'm not sure what the manager or indeed the club are trying to achieve.
It seems to me it maybe seems to be can we be slightly less shit than the bottom 3 for the least amount of money. It's not the best marketing tool ever to sell season tickets or a £30 entrance fee on Saturday.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 4, 2015 0:14:13 GMT 1
Gotta play one of our U21 defenders on Sat, it can't get any worse and you never know we could unearth a gem. Deffo, I agree, what's to bloody lose. We created one chance tonight. A midfield dross mind numb of Edgar alan Poe, Hogg and Butts. Get Gobern and a young lad in on sat and drop Wallace Gobern? Wouldn't go that far! Would much rather see Billing.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 4, 2015 0:15:22 GMT 1
Clearing out the 'dead wood' in January was always needed, but with the lack of recruitment, it seems the squad is too thin now. With a couple of injuries, we seem to be down to bare bones and unable to adjust any playing style effectively to counter the opposition. We seem like a 'one trick pony' sort of team - sometimes the setup works, other times it fails badly. Complacency through a lack of competition for places or a 'can't be bothered today' attitude could be an issue? Many can have an 'off day' in their job and get by, but that doesn't work out on a football pitch. I realise that the score is the only stat that really matters, but the other stats tonight were woeful... Trouble is we've replaced all this so called deadwood with well not a great deal really !
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 4, 2015 0:15:43 GMT 1
Deffo, I agree, what's to bloody lose. We created one chance tonight. A midfield dross mind numb of Edgar alan Poe, Hogg and Butts. Get Gobern and a young lad in on sat and drop Wallace Gobern? Wouldn't go that far! Would much rather see Billing. Fair enough, anything but the dross that these poor players are churning out.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 4, 2015 0:15:42 GMT 1
Gotta play one of our U21 defenders on Sat, it can't get any worse and you never know we could unearth a gem. Interesting way to look at it. I don't know how good/bad the Brentford defenders were. We were never able to put them under the same sort of constant pressure ours were under. Wallace was terrible for the first goal though!
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Post by Mr Breitside on Mar 4, 2015 0:17:02 GMT 1
Maybe some on here are happy with year on year mediocrity, because that's all we are going to get with the current mind set of Hoyle and Powell, who seem happy to have us as perennial relegation scrappers until our luck finally runs out again and we end up back in League One. Do me a favour, with 60 goals conceded I'd even back non league Emley or Ossett Albion to net a few against us. If we are happy with just being slightly better than the bottom three year on year with a squad tiny squad the sooner or later our luck will run out !! 100% correct
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Mar 4, 2015 0:17:42 GMT 1
Gotta play one of our U21 defenders on Sat, it can't get any worse and you never know we could unearth a gem. Only watched them a few times, but I would happily play Wright or Boyle ahead of Wallace. Not sure Wallace would be good enough at league two level. He can't run and is physically weak. A better solution could be Coady or Edgar at centre half. Especially if Powell doesn't fancy Coady in central midfield – best header of a ball in the club.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 4, 2015 0:23:03 GMT 1
We concede far too many goals, the worrying thing is we set up defensively!
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 4, 2015 0:24:47 GMT 1
Gotta play one of our U21 defenders on Sat, it can't get any worse and you never know we could unearth a gem. Only watched them a few times, but I would happily play Wright or Boyle ahead of Wallace. Not sure Wallace would be good enough at league two level. He can't run and is physically weak. A better solution could be Coady or Edgar at centre half. Especially if Powell doesn't fancy Coady in central midfield – best header of a ball in the club. Wierd thing is some Brum fans were saying Edgar was their best CENTRE BACK, so why he isn't played there I don't know. Powell knows a lot more about football than me but surely he must see Wallace ain't good enough.
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Post by Cornish Pasty on Mar 4, 2015 0:54:29 GMT 1
Clearing out the 'dead wood' in January was always needed, but with the lack of recruitment, it seems the squad is too thin now. With a couple of injuries, we seem to be down to bare bones and unable to adjust any playing style effectively to counter the opposition. We seem like a 'one trick pony' sort of team - sometimes the setup works, other times it fails badly. Complacency through a lack of competition for places or a 'can't be bothered today' attitude could be an issue? Many can have an 'off day' in their job and get by, but that doesn't work out on a football pitch. I realise that the score is the only stat that really matters, but the other stats tonight were woeful... Isn't the opportunity now there for tronstad, billing, Holmes etc to push through?! That's what I don't get about allowing the cull - it was surely to allow more time for the young lads to come thru, and yet 5 wks on we have only seen Carroll and Boyle's 90 sec cameo......I'm at a bit of a loss right now understanding what we are looking to achieve, particularly as majewski and Gerrard have hardly featured and goburn has made way for Edgar after doing well in his last game. I don't disagree... after all, surely that's the idea behind a development squad! However, for whatever reason there seems to be a reluctance to give any of the under-21 lads a run out, which by default lessens the pool of players to pick from. If Robinson hadn't got injured tonight, there's no way Jake Carroll would have come on. We'd comfortably won the game last week when Boyle was introduced - for a matter of seconds and Lolley hasn't had much opportunity yet.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 4, 2015 0:58:06 GMT 1
Isn't the opportunity now there for tronstad, billing, Holmes etc to push through?! That's what I don't get about allowing the cull - it was surely to allow more time for the young lads to come thru, and yet 5 wks on we have only seen Carroll and Boyle's 90 sec cameo......I'm at a bit of a loss right now understanding what we are looking to achieve, particularly as majewski and Gerrard have hardly featured and goburn has made way for Edgar after doing well in his last game. I don't disagree... after all, surely that's the idea behind a development squad! However, for whatever reason there seems to be a reluctance to give any of the under-21 lads a run out, which by default lessens the pool of players to pick from. If Robinson hadn't got injured tonight, there's no way Jake Carroll would have come on. We'd comfortably won the game last week when Boyle was introduced - for a matter of seconds and Lolley hasn't had much opportunity yet. That's my point....if the cull was to be done, and I agree fully with it, then we surely had to be sure that the development lads could step up when required. Somebody must have seen and said that a few were? Either they aren't.......or Powell is dropping some changers, because it's not as though we are ripping the league a new one right now and we can't continue to rely on scannell and butterfield to create anything each week can we?
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Post by ACW on Mar 4, 2015 0:59:39 GMT 1
I don't disagree... after all, surely that's the idea behind a development squad! However, for whatever reason there seems to be a reluctance to give any of the under-21 lads a run out, which by default lessens the pool of players to pick from. If Robinson hadn't got injured tonight, there's no way Jake Carroll would have come on. We'd comfortably won the game last week when Boyle was introduced - for a matter of seconds and Lolley hasn't had much opportunity yet. That's my point....if the cull was to be done, and I agree fully with it, then we surely had to be sure that the development lads could step up when required. Somebody must have seen and said that a few were? Either they aren't.......or Powell is dropping some changers, because it's not as though we are ripping the league a new one right now and we can't continue to rely on scannell and butterfield to create anything each week can we? We can't but we do.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 4, 2015 2:28:18 GMT 1
so glad you have all finally gone to bed...
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 4, 2015 2:55:17 GMT 1
Maybe some on here are happy with year on year mediocrity, because that's all we are going to get with the current mind set of Hoyle and Powell, who seem happy to have us as perennial relegation scrappers until our luck finally runs out again and we end up back in League One. Do me a favour, with 60 goals conceded I'd even back non league Emley or Ossett Albion to net a few against us. year on year mediocrity...have a word with yourself lad. Games at Wembley old and Wembley new, as well as the Millenium , old Trafford, Stamford Bridge - 43 games without a defeat. is that your definition of year on year mediocrity. Our football club has given us plenty to be proud of over the years and will continue to do so. Two defeats in a row and you sound like bleating washer women. yes we have had it great but it has also been much much worse. For some reason I expect you don't remember the great escape. Google it. All I can say is its a good job that we didn't have social bleeding media in those days - the world would have stopped turning. As it happens the fans stuck together and we saved the season. UTT
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 4, 2015 8:09:08 GMT 1
I'm not sure many are miserable, they seem to love it. Its poor though mate, even you must be feeling the frustration? No, I won my bet Seriously though, some seem to almost revel in it, ready to pounce with sarcy comments. I don't put you in this bracket.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 4, 2015 8:25:22 GMT 1
We were comprehensively outplayed by a team at a different level to us tonight. Nothing to do with lack of effort or trying. Same as at Bournemouth where we lucky to not be similarly tonked. The made us look very ponderous in defence. They were all over us from start to finish. We aw not really competitive against teams with quality quick players with slick passing and movement like Brentford, Bournemouth, Derby etc. This makes it even more odd picking a team with three very immobile players. If anything, you'd consider playing Coady at CB for one of Wallace or Hudson, rather than still play these and also throw in Edgar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 8:56:31 GMT 1
Edgar. What is the point? Seriously?
Maybe time to drop the bleeding lot of em and play the young uns?
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Post by Mirfielder on Mar 4, 2015 9:22:59 GMT 1
Tom, You've missed my point - Most of the successes you're on about happened whilst we were a League One side, or have you forgotten that we are now in the Championship where we need better quality players which involves Hoyle digging deeper into his pockets, which plainly he's not prepared to do. So unlike the Derby's, Boro's, Forest's and Watford's of this world, we are going to be consigned to being perennial relegation strugglers from hereon in, unless we get lucky and unearth our own talent. But there again, hasn't Hoyle repeatedly stated that we are a selling club, so any talent we do bring through will no doubt quickly go the highest bidder.
So take it from me that unless Hoyle changes his current philosophy, we are doomed to be perennial relegation battlers whether you like it or not, or maybe you've already convinced yourself that we are nothing more than a League One outfit at best.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 10:11:40 GMT 1
The U21's beat Birmingham away yesterday despite playing for an hour with ten men. Holmes & Wright didn't play so I guess they were with the first team squad.
There must be some talent there and I can't see why Powell is so reluctant to give any of them a chance. Apart from another game, just what has he got to lose?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:21:34 GMT 1
Tom, You've missed my point - Most of the successes you're on about happened whilst we were a League One side, or have you forgotten that we are now in the Championship where we need better quality players which involves Hoyle digging deeper into his pockets, which plainly he's not prepared to do. So unlike the Derby's, Boro's, Forest's and Watford's of this world, we are going to be consigned to being perennial relegation strugglers from hereon in, unless we get lucky and unearth our own talent. But there again, hasn't Hoyle repeatedly stated that we are a selling club, so any talent we do bring through will no doubt quickly go the highest bidder. So take it from me that unless Hoyle changes his current philosophy, we are doomed to be perennial relegation battlers whether you like it or not, or maybe you've already convinced yourself that we are nothing more than a League One outfit at best. He put in over £6m last season alone, which is all he's allowed to put in to be compliant with FFP. The idea that because we don't have one of the biggest budget in the league means we can't compete is a nonsense. Every year for the last 7 or 8 at least a team with a budget a similar size or smaller than ours has got promoted. We're also ahead of clubs like Cardiff, Leeds, Reading or Fulham all of who have much bigger wage bills. Thankfully it isn't as simple as spending a load of money and you go up in the Championship. Also, every club at this level is a selling club. Why would you think otherwise?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:43:24 GMT 1
If we are happy with just being slightly better than the bottom three year on year with a squad tiny squad the sooner or later our luck will run out !! 100% correct it will indeed
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 4, 2015 10:56:35 GMT 1
The U21's beat Birmingham away yesterday despite playing for an hour with ten men. Holmes & Wright didn't play so I guess they were with the first team squad. There must be some talent there and I can't see why Powell is so reluctant to give any of them a chance. Apart from another game, just what has he got to lose? I think he will blood a youngster or two when we have 50 points, or enough points to be realistically safe.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 4, 2015 11:03:46 GMT 1
Shame we are no longer producing young guns like Adnan Ahmed!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 11:12:49 GMT 1
Shame we are no longer producing young guns like Adnan Ahmed! When we had the likes of Ahmed we weren't winning the U18, U21 (reserves then) leagues yet he and others got a chance. Now we have a good academy/development set up they can't get a sniff of first team action.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 11:14:50 GMT 1
The U21's beat Birmingham away yesterday despite playing for an hour with ten men. Holmes & Wright didn't play so I guess they were with the first team squad. There must be some talent there and I can't see why Powell is so reluctant to give any of them a chance. Apart from another game, just what has he got to lose? I think he will blood a youngster or two when we have 50 points, or enough points to be realistically safe. We might just achieve the 50 point mark a bit sooner if he's prepared to give them a go now. Surely the results/performances can't be any worse than the last two have been.
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Post by buckers on Mar 4, 2015 11:21:42 GMT 1
Any news on the injury situation?
I know this has been said before, but our injuried players go into the treatment room and vanish. Lynch limped off against Leeds and was supposed to be out for 2 weeks. If he doesn't play Saturday that will be 5 weeks!!
Wells had a bit of a knock against Reading that's 7 days since and no sign of him coming back.
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Post by Mirfielder on Mar 4, 2015 11:38:49 GMT 1
Walter, More ambitious clubs in the Championship don't sell their Player of the Year and club Captain like Town did last season. Ask yourself where Town are now compared to Boro? It's OK having a tight budget, but if you pay peanuts you only attract monkeys such as Edgar and others etc. As for the financial fair play rules, how many of the current top half dozen clubs are taking any notice of them? Hoyle needs to have a word with Steve Gibson at Boro to see how they manage to attract better quality players and pay them higher salaries, when their average home attendances are only slightly higher than Town's.
Finally, if Town had kept hold of Rhodes and Clayton we might have been competing for a top six place, instead of looking over our shoulders and being more concerned with what the likes of Blackpool, Wigan and Millwall are doing.
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