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Post by deo1 on Mar 10, 2015 21:08:59 GMT 1
I opened this thread feeling optimistic of a nice, happy thread looking forward to next season working together in a home end. Oh boy was I wrong. It's someone's opinion which is the whole idea of DATM. If you agree with it or not he's a town fan and his opinions matter. I don't agree with him but some will and instead of classing him an idiot or WUM take on board what he's had to say and try to change his mind or tweak a few things regarding NSL so fans don't look on them in a bad light. This isn't aimed at you by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 21:11:31 GMT 1
In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed, and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure. Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans, and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL and ask are they the right people to carry this on next season, because the club needs its fans to be together not split. So for the sake of the club and too mend the fractures that the NSL has caused between the fans, the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention. In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed: Wrong - Try Leeds Road, was just over the way, do you remember it? and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure: Wrong - We now have the (half) South Stand next season for all town fans. The NSL played a part in that. Do you think that would have happened anyway? Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans: A divide that others created - you are one of them. The NSL has been a right old laugh for many hundreds of good natured folk, old and young. You have chosen to take offence at that fact. Your choice. Alternatively, you could stop being so daft and remember we are all cut from the same cloth. We all sing songs, now we can do it together. and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL: The club doesn't control the NSL, and the 'driving force' as you call it, are going nowhere. They work outside of their 9-5 to try and help HTFC and other good causes to prosper. I know, what a set of villains! They liaise with the club and safety officers on behalf of Town fans to try and create the atmosphere the whole ground deserves. I KNOW! What a bunch of morons! ask are they the right people to carry this on next season - they are, cheers! the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL: Football fans, not politicians. The amount of seriously disgusting abuse directed at the NSL has been overbearing in parts, so yes, people like you have had a few bites back from time to time. That's football. It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention: Nothing to mend. Everyone is, and always has been welcome. The NSL will be a PART of the South Stand next season, not THE South Stand - that belongs to everyone who wants a part of it. Happy? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 21:14:08 GMT 1
Not sure if it's been particularly divisisive but I was put off going in the north stand by the whole branding thing and it seeming to be some sort of gang / clique with leaders etc. I think going to footy should be a bit more chilled out and relaxed than all that, few beers, a bit of a sing sing and every now and then a win but then that's just me. The 'organised fun' seems to work for other people so fair play to them if that's what they want to do. It has been detrimental to the atmosphere this season but hopefully next season the availability of the south stand should improve this issue. Ive sat in the NSL as a pay on the day for most games this season, and never been made aware of any leaders. How any one can knock those fans that organised it is clearly on the wind up or a very strange/sour person(sorry thats aimed at the op). Id like to thank the NSL for all the work they've done and now they have the award of the south stand. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 21:16:49 GMT 1
Not sure if it's been particularly divisisive but I was put off going in the north stand by the whole branding thing and it seeming to be some sort of gang / clique with leaders etc. I think going to footy should be a bit more chilled out and relaxed than all that, few beers, a bit of a sing sing and every now and then a win but then that's just me. The 'organised fun' seems to work for other people so fair play to them if that's what they want to do. It has been detrimental to the atmosphere this season but hopefully next season the availability of the south stand should improve this issue. Ive sat in the NSL as a pay on the day for most games this season, and never been made aware of any leaders. How any one can knock those fans that organised it is clearly on the wind up or a very strange/sour person(sorry thats aimed at the op). Id like to thank the NSL for all the work they've done and now they have the award of the south stand. Because there isn't any leaders mate. A few people behind the scenes organise the TIFO etc and liaise on club and safety issues, that's it. The NSL is EVERYBODY who wants to belong to it, always has been. Some people like labels, some don't - c'est la vie. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 21:16:55 GMT 1
In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed, and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure. Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans, and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL and ask are they the right people to carry this on next season, because the club needs its fans to be together not split. So for the sake of the club and too mend the fractures that the NSL has caused between the fans, the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention. Is your life really that sad mate? try get out a bit more. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 10, 2015 21:35:23 GMT 1
There's nothing as strange as a Yorkshireman and some peoples principles will dictate whether they stay in the seat they've had for years with the assumption that they'll be moved a few times a season, move somewhere else or not but a season ticket altogether. It wouldn't bother me and I wouldn't mind moving for certain games to get more fans in the ground but if we gave the Kilner Bank to certain clubs then I'd want to move out of there for those games as I wouldn't want the away teams songs rammed down my throat for the full 90 minutes and that's what will probably happen. Maybe it'd encourage a bit of singing from the middle of the Kilner in that scenario. I appreciate the potential downsides of all this, and can understand some fans being a bit precious over it, but I really think this whole thing might reinvigorate the ground a bit. It's all been too stale and 'samey' for 20 years. People have got into the routine of sitting in the same seat; and knowing whether or not they're expected to sing in those seats. The whole situation, for me, is great. I'm positively affected in that I can move to the south stand, which is what I've wanted for years; but I really think the club have needed to man up a bit on this for a long time, and finally they have. Totally agree with all of that. |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Mar 10, 2015 21:46:40 GMT 1
Not sure if it's been particularly divisisive but I was put off going in the north stand by the whole branding thing and it seeming to be some sort of gang / clique with leaders etc. I think going to footy should be a bit more chilled out and relaxed than all that, few beers, a bit of a sing sing and every now and then a win but then that's just me. The 'organised fun' seems to work for other people so fair play to them if that's what they want to do. It has been detrimental to the atmosphere this season but hopefully next season the availability of the south stand should improve this issue. Ive sat in the NSL as a pay on the day for most games this season, and never been made aware of any leaders. How any one can knock those fans that organised it is clearly on the wind up or a very strange/sour person(sorry thats aimed at the op). Id like to thank the NSL for all the work they've done and now they have the award of the south stand. Fair enough, I was away a lot for the start of the season so only followed everything Town on here. Without reading everything in full, with the creation of a special section of the board and a fancy name, I took it to be a bit elitist and old boys clubby. If that wasn't the case then I got it wrong. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 10, 2015 22:02:41 GMT 1
What? I think you'll find it's a few folk that have had a go at the NSL. It's biggest achievement this season is to secure a home, covered end behind the goal. The people who have been the driving force are top people who have spent hours and pounds trying to create an atmosphere behind the goal. Not sure what your post contributes other than contention. Did you miss a smiley face off the end of your post? I have not criticized the commitment or the character of those who have been a driving force behind the NSL this season, but they have been at loggerheads with our own fans through social media and a more diplomatic personnel would be beneficial, that is what my post contribution is, and no there is no missing smiley face. Will you be going in South stand then mate ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 22:09:11 GMT 1
So the NSL is a failure even though they actually went out and proved the need for a home end and actually convinced the club to open up the South Stand for home fans, while the other bellends simply sat there and moaned that any home end should be in the South Stand? I think the only failures in this scenario are the idiots who created this "divide" in the first place by not supporting the NSL in trying to improve the experience for everyone in the stadium. calling other town fans bellends strengthens the point I was making and the fact that Sio and Scuffsablue liked it proves it to be correct With the greatest of respect William, there has been much much more derogation and bile directed in the way of the NSL and the people behind it, than there has ever been reciprocated by the those people. You're barking up the wrong tree fellow terrier. |
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Post by Cole on Mar 10, 2015 22:10:29 GMT 1
So the NSL is a failure even though they actually went out and proved the need for a home end and actually convinced the club to open up the South Stand for home fans, while the other bellends simply sat there and moaned that any home end should be in the South Stand? I think the only failures in this scenario are the idiots who created this "divide" in the first place by not supporting the NSL in trying to improve the experience for everyone in the stadium. calling other town fans bellends strengthens the point I was making and the fact that Sio and Scuffsablue liked it proves it to be correct To be honest, apart from the odd comment on social media I haven't seen any massive fights or a huge divide in the crowd. People are always going to disagree, and things have to change even if that's not what everyone wants, but the majority want. |
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Post by Jiffrtd on Mar 10, 2015 22:18:55 GMT 1
Not sure if it's been particularly divisisive but I was put off going in the north stand by the whole branding thing and it seeming to be some sort of gang / clique with leaders etc. I think going to footy should be a bit more chilled out and relaxed than all that, few beers, a bit of a sing sing and every now and then a win but then that's just me. The 'organised fun' seems to work for other people so fair play to them if that's what they want to do. It has been detrimental to the atmosphere this season but hopefully next season the availability of the south stand should improve this issue. That makes it sound a bit Corleone. I can't imagine Vito or Sonny making flags and banners, ripping up paper or spending time promoting a bit of fun or standing in the snow (Reading) singing their tits off. by the way don't ever takes sides against the family again, ever  |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 10, 2015 22:21:16 GMT 1
Very impressed that the club have recognised that the fans and in particular having a home end are the final part of the jigsaw. We have everything in place other than our most vociferous supporters in one place.
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Post by Sio on Mar 10, 2015 22:22:47 GMT 1
this is a very poor response from someone who represents the all together town shame on you Representing the NSL in this instance. Finger in many pies my friend. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 10, 2015 22:23:44 GMT 1
In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed: Wrong - Try Leeds Road, was just over the way, do you remember it? and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure: Wrong - We now have the (half) South Stand next season for all town fans. The NSL played a part in that. Do you think that would have happened anyway? Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans: A divide that others created - you are one of them. The NSL has been a right old laugh for many hundreds of good natured folk, old and young. You have chosen to take offence at that fact. Your choice. Alternatively, you could stop being so daft and remember we are all cut from the same cloth. We all sing songs, now we can do it together. and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL: The club doesn't control the NSL, and the 'driving force' as you call it, are going nowhere. They work outside of their 9-5 to try and help HTFC and other good causes to prosper. I know, what a set of villains! They liaise with the club and safety officers on behalf of Town fans to try and create the atmosphere the whole ground deserves. I KNOW! What a bunch of morons! ask are they the right people to carry this on next season - they are, cheers! the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL: Football fans, not politicians. The amount of seriously disgusting abuse directed at the NSL has been overbearing in parts, so yes, people like you have had a few bites back from time to time. That's football. It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention: Nothing to mend. Everyone is, and always has been welcome. The NSL will be a PART of the South Stand next season, not THE South Stand - that belongs to everyone who wants a part of it. Happy? cowshed or dead you are taking criticism far too personal, you are one of those who should take a step back Agreed tbf you're a bad influence. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 22:28:42 GMT 1
In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed: Wrong - Try Leeds Road, was just over the way, do you remember it? and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure: Wrong - We now have the (half) South Stand next season for all town fans. The NSL played a part in that. Do you think that would have happened anyway? Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans: A divide that others created - you are one of them. The NSL has been a right old laugh for many hundreds of good natured folk, old and young. You have chosen to take offence at that fact. Your choice. Alternatively, you could stop being so daft and remember we are all cut from the same cloth. We all sing songs, now we can do it together. and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL: The club doesn't control the NSL, and the 'driving force' as you call it, are going nowhere. They work outside of their 9-5 to try and help HTFC and other good causes to prosper. I know, what a set of villains! They liaise with the club and safety officers on behalf of Town fans to try and create the atmosphere the whole ground deserves. I KNOW! What a bunch of morons! ask are they the right people to carry this on next season - they are, cheers! the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL: Football fans, not politicians. The amount of seriously disgusting abuse directed at the NSL has been overbearing in parts, so yes, people like you have had a few bites back from time to time. That's football. It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention: Nothing to mend. Everyone is, and always has been welcome. The NSL will be a PART of the South Stand next season, not THE South Stand - that belongs to everyone who wants a part of it. Happy? cowshed or dead you are taking criticism far too personal, you are one of those who should take a step back Haha there's no reasoning with you is there? |
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Post by bootsywf4 on Mar 10, 2015 22:30:29 GMT 1
In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed, and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure. Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans, and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL and ask are they the right people to carry this on next season, because the club needs its fans to be together not split. So for the sake of the club and too mend the fractures that the NSL has caused between the fans, the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention. Correct,NSL has split the fans down the middle and totally f**ed up the matchday atmosphere lets hope this south stand experiment brings the fans back together. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 22:31:21 GMT 1
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Post by Cole on Mar 10, 2015 22:37:37 GMT 1
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Post by Chicken George on Mar 10, 2015 22:41:16 GMT 1
In all of towns history there has never been a rivalry between our own fans until the NSL was formed, and bearing this in mind we can only assume that the NSL has been a total failure. Its biggest achievement this season is to produce a divide between town fans, and has a result of this the club and the NSL should take a step back and look at the people who have been the driving force behind NSL and ask are they the right people to carry this on next season, because the club needs its fans to be together not split. So for the sake of the club and too mend the fractures that the NSL has caused between the fans, the NSL should look for more of a diplomatic personnel to be the new driving force of the NSL It needs people who can mend the fractures that they have made, it needs people who can create a togetherness not contention. Contender for worst post of the season..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 22:45:03 GMT 1
I find it odd to suggest that the NSL is elitist or cliquey.
Firstly, it's the ONLY stand at the stadium that has a FREE season card transfer policy on the turnstile.
Secondly, it has an open twitter and facebook account encouraging new faces to come in the NSL and enjoy the game.
Thirdly, the NSL has campaigned all season to get the club to allow town fans to use the south stand and improve the catering facilities of the whole ground. Not the NSL, town fans.
When you go in the NSL you don't get a membership card and a badge with your name and photo on it and a pretty gold star for every season you've been in the NSL for. It's for every town fan, the NSL is the town fans. This 'Us v Them' has never come from the NSL.
As someone who is criticised by the OP I feel I have the right to reply to what I think is just simply wrong.
The NSL (town fans) don't want credit, don't even want 'respect', just want everyone to get along and enjoy the game. I don't want a pat on the back, nor do I want the kind of unwarranted abuse (because that's it's been from some corners) I've had to take on social media for doing something about a stale 20 year old atmosphere. Just remember, at the end of last season 80% of town fans voted that the atmosphere at the ground was poor and needed improving.
It's time to stop this now. There is no devide. There is no clique. There is no us or them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 22:47:28 GMT 1
I find that most of the time in life there are 2 kinds of people:
1. People that talk about stuff
2. People that talk and then do stuff
As a guiding rule, people in group 1 that spend time commenting on group 2, can generally F-ck off.
I know this is a vastly over simplified way of looking at things but in general I find it is the most productive way of getting things done.
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Post by jongoalmachinenewby on Mar 10, 2015 22:53:38 GMT 1
The OP is clearly a wind up, I can't believe how many people bite. Stupid threads like this should be ignored until they move down the page!
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Post by Barbieterrier on Mar 10, 2015 23:01:17 GMT 1
In all the time ive read DATM ive never ever read a more ridiculous post. The minority against the NSL was a handful of haters who were either jealous of the success, don't like change or just generally unhappy that it had the clubs backing - hardly worthy of being given the name rivalry since the haters were drum beaters in the Britannia rescue who rather than spend time watching the game spent time cursing away fans.. In all the time ive been going to games (mostly as a lone female) ive never felt more accepted by a group of guys at games, more included, more looked after or had a better home match day experience sat in the FML. I wasn't one of the guys who put together the idea and being an existing season card holder in FML was unsure about renewing in there, but ive seen the hard work and passion put into the NSL by some of the nicest guys ive ever met at that ground all done in their own time. I find this original post insulting and wide off the mark. We are all town aren't we right? UTT! this is speculation on your part Nah I read some of the Twitter abuse the NSL feed got and heard a few grumblings pre match in the pub. Nothing of any substance or worth paying attention to as I used to tell the guys behind the NSL. Those sat in NSL outweighed the usual grumblers in terms of numbers. As to the reasons folk being against a few folk singing in another stand? Who knows it's beyond me so in terms of that yeah that's anyone's guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 23:03:00 GMT 1
The Shoe army lot, led by More Gut Than Waist used to slag off the Cowshed Loyal in the same manner as well.
Me thinks, they want to be the only ones in the stadium to sing songs... They should venture over and join in next season, they might even enjoy it.
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Post by wtd on Mar 10, 2015 23:03:36 GMT 1
For some reason this came to mind:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
? Theodore Roosevelt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 23:09:05 GMT 1
I was just about to post that without reading any but the first 3 posts, what a total load of tosh even if the OP has owned up to this being a wind-up...
Then the post from WTD pretty much sums the OP up...
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 10, 2015 23:09:23 GMT 1
For some reason this came to mind: “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”? Theodore Roosevelt I often feel that way on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 23:11:09 GMT 1
The OP is just being sardonic, as he well knows.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 23:11:37 GMT 1
A response like this is only to be expected coming from the clique You don't know me, you've never met me, so you haven't got a clue whether or not I'm in a 'clique'. Regardless of whether or not I'm in one, (hint - I'm not), you are still talking total crap, and there's no getting away from that fact. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 10, 2015 23:13:03 GMT 1
Kinell Cowshed's an admin? We've no chance of gettin owt merged now have we... |
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