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Post by yorkie1 on Mar 22, 2015 16:51:34 GMT 1
We have not kicked on under Powell, indeed we have gone backwards. Hoyle told him we had a good squad. That has now been ripped to shreds. Powell has long enough to show he has something to offer but has not addressed a single issue. This team is going backwards like his Charlton side did, a clear indication to me that this man has not got what it takes to be a championship manager. And for those about to jump in about an 8th place finish it proves nothing, they imploded afterwards. Would hate to see him given a close season dealing in the market.
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Post by oldrain on Mar 22, 2015 16:57:41 GMT 1
The style of football has gone back to pre Lee Clark - we need a manager with passion not someone who talks very calmly when we have just missed 2 pens and a hat full of chances against 10 men and against one of the worst sides we have seen for years
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 22, 2015 17:23:31 GMT 1
The one thing I did mention on Tuesday was the fact that nobody would be celebrating Vaughan's goal if his self inflicted sending off had any impact on towns failure to get vital points against a poor Fulham team . Surely Vaughan is the clubs most experienced penalty taker ,and where is he when you need him most. The one thing we are all pictured on at the moment are the Wigan results, and thank god there are other teams playing shit football in this division. .
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Post by Cole on Mar 22, 2015 17:47:38 GMT 1
If Hoyle doesn't sack Powell now you really have to question why Why?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 22, 2015 17:59:08 GMT 1
best penalty taker??
they should all be able to put the ball in the net with a free shot from 12 yards..
we didn't lose yesterday because we missed 2 penalties, in the end they would have in fact got us a draw..
talking about how goals change games isn't valid, we didn't score, they did...
the facts of the game add up to a poor showing by us..the possession and the shots on/off target would be expected imo for a home game against a team below us and without 5 regulars and with 10 men for 30 odd minutes.. we didn't do anything more than would be expected other than we failed to score.. we were not shit but we were not better than expected..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 19:14:20 GMT 1
best penalty taker?? they should all be able to put the ball in the net with a free shot from 12 yards.. we didn't lose yesterday because we missed 2 penalties, in the end they would have in fact got us a draw..talking about how goals change games isn't valid, we didn't score, they did... the facts of the game add up to a poor showing by us..the possession and the shots on/off target would be expected imo for a home game against a team below us and without 5 regulars and with 10 men for 30 odd minutes.. we didn't do anything more than would be expected other than we failed to score.. we were not shit but we were not better than expected.. So you believe if we were 2-1 up we'd have had everyone up and chasing a third in the final seconds?...I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 19:29:56 GMT 1
We've been desperately unlucky not to take 6 points from two teams who were in the Premiership last year. They've been two dramatic, entertaining games of football. 'Powell out'? Some people have neither perspective nor loyalty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 19:33:48 GMT 1
best penalty taker?? they should all be able to put the ball in the net with a free shot from 12 yards.. we didn't lose yesterday because we missed 2 penalties, in the end they would have in fact got us a draw..talking about how goals change games isn't valid, we didn't score, they did... the facts of the game add up to a poor showing by us..the possession and the shots on/off target would be expected imo for a home game against a team below us and without 5 regulars and with 10 men for 30 odd minutes.. we didn't do anything more than would be expected other than we failed to score.. we were not shit but we were not better than expected.. So you believe if we were 2-1 up we'd have had everyone up and chasing a third in the final seconds?...I don't think so. Come on mate. We'd have obviously been defending a narrow lead deep into our own half.
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Post by swam4mwg on Mar 22, 2015 19:58:21 GMT 1
No matter what people's views are, the fact is we have taken just one point from two home games and when you are in a relegation battle (which Town are) it is not good enough. Hoyle and Powell harp on about progress. There has been no progress. This season is a mirror image to last season. Personally I think we will just do enough to stay up. However Powell has stated there would not be massive changes in the summer. Just a few 'tweaks'. That is the big worry. Defensively Town are woeful. That is the major problem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 20:07:40 GMT 1
I agree we need a whole new back four so I hope that is the tweak Powell is talking about.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 22, 2015 20:46:08 GMT 1
"Was that purely good management or mainly due to Charlton being too big for that level and having a good squad? "
A squad that Powell built in the closed season from scratch I think you'll find.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 22, 2015 20:57:13 GMT 1
No matter what people's views are, the fact is we have taken just one point from two home games and when you are in a relegation battle (which Town are) it is not good enough. Hoyle and Powell harp on about progress. There has been no progress. This season is a mirror image to last season. Personally I think we will just do enough to stay up. However Powell has stated there would not be massive changes in the summer. Just a few 'tweaks'. That is the big worry. Defensively Town are woeful. That is the major problem. I think you will find that the progress referred to is that we are seeing the same level as even we got in to this league but have reduced losses by around £3 a year in the process. Not the sexy progress we would all like, but probably a necessary step to enable the team to gradually imorove their league position. Consider where Fulham and Wigan were playing their football for the past 3 seasons. We have progressed more than they have. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by wasp on Mar 22, 2015 21:06:07 GMT 1
Has he and his flat cap fooked off yet
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Post by explorer on Mar 22, 2015 21:23:11 GMT 1
The one thing I did mention on Tuesday was the fact that nobody would be celebrating Vaughan's goal if his self inflicted sending off had any impact on towns failure to get vital points against a poor Fulham team . Surely Vaughan is the clubs most experienced penalty taker ,and where is he when you need him most. The one thing we are all pictured on at the moment are the Wigan results, and thank god there are other teams playing shit football in this division. . You need to keep up. Wells is the designated penalty taker, so JV on the pitch or not, the penalty fiasco would have been the same.
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Post by swam4mwg on Mar 22, 2015 21:43:03 GMT 1
No matter what people's views are, the fact is we have taken just one point from two home games and when you are in a relegation battle (which Town are) it is not good enough. Hoyle and Powell harp on about progress. There has been no progress. This season is a mirror image to last season. Personally I think we will just do enough to stay up. However Powell has stated there would not be massive changes in the summer. Just a few 'tweaks'. That is the big worry. Defensively Town are woeful. That is the major problem. I think you will find that the progress referred to is that we are seeing the same level as even we got in to this league but have reduced losses by around £3 a year in the process. Not the sexy progress we would all like, but probably a necessary step to enable the team to gradually imorove their league position. Consider where Fulham and Wigan were playing their football for the past 3 seasons. We have progressed more than they have. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards I take it you mean three million and not three pound? Fulham and Wigan are on a downward spiral, mainly due to Al Fayed and Whelen respectively losing interest. However it is not comparing our progress to other teams that matters. Balancing the books is fine, but football will always be about results on the field. Having to rely on the bottom three not catching up is a dangerous game, which eventually will prove to be Town's downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 21:59:34 GMT 1
I think you will find that the progress referred to is that we are seeing the same level as even we got in to this league but have reduced losses by around £3 a year in the process. Not the sexy progress we would all like, but probably a necessary step to enable the team to gradually imorove their league position. Consider where Fulham and Wigan were playing their football for the past 3 seasons. We have progressed more than they have. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards I take it you mean three million and not three pound? Fulham and Wigan are on a downward spiral, mainly due to Al Fayed and Whelen respectively losing interest. However it is not comparing our progress to other teams that matters. Balancing the books is fine, but football will always be about results on the field. Having to rely on the bottom three not catching up is a dangerous game, which eventually will prove to be Town's downfall. Might have been the case 20-odd years ago, replay that statement to Pompey fans amongst others & see what they think? Sure there will be the short sighted that will say they'll take their couple of yrs in the PL and their FA Cup final win in 2008. Another couple of yrs mid table in L2 and they'll be looking jealously at the likes of HTFC... Wigan might be heading down the same path, though I expect they may stabilise & with all due respect their fan base is not as dyed in the wool football as Portsmouth is...
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Post by swam4mwg on Mar 22, 2015 22:13:22 GMT 1
I take it you mean three million and not three pound? Fulham and Wigan are on a downward spiral, mainly due to Al Fayed and Whelen respectively losing interest. However it is not comparing our progress to other teams that matters. Balancing the books is fine, but football will always be about results on the field. Having to rely on the bottom three not catching up is a dangerous game, which eventually will prove to be Town's downfall. Might have been the case 20-odd years ago, replay that statement to Pompey fans amongst others & see what they think? Sure there will be the short sighted that will say they'll take their couple of yrs in the PL and their FA Cup final win in 2008. Another couple of yrs mid table in L2 and they'll be looking jealously at the likes of HTFC... Wigan might be heading down the same path, though I expect they may stabilise & with all due respect their fan base is not as dyed in the wool football as Portsmouth is... I don't ever expect Town to be in The top flight to be honest. It is how you see the 'progress' Town are supposedly making. It certainly isn't on the field. Having to spend half the match looking at the scoreboard to see if the likes of Wigan and Millwall are losing is not a good position to be in. If Town eventually go down, then it is not progress. As I said, balancing the books is fine, but isn't there a 'balance' to be found between the books and results? Surely relegation would be a disaster on and off the pitch?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 22:39:52 GMT 1
I'm sure most would agree that relegation would be a disaster (but not catastrophic) & unlikely we'll be relegated this yr.
Given Towns predicament a few yrs back is it not the best way to try and get the club on a level and then try and kick on a bit?
The reason why our progress seems static is not that this is the clubs intention, just that they play the game properly whilst there are many that are feckless and stick 2 fingers up to fair play.
For all the moaning on here this club is in decent nick, just need a bit of luck here and there, definitely some consistency & some level headed mgmt & support...
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Post by swam4mwg on Mar 22, 2015 22:48:45 GMT 1
I'm sure most would agree that relegation would be a disaster (but not catastrophic) & unlikely we'll be relegated this yr. Given Towns predicament a few yrs back is it not the best way to try and get the club on a level and then try and kick on a bit? The reason why our progress seems static is not that this is the clubs intention, just that they play the game properly whilst there are many that are feckless and stick 2 fingers up to fair play. For all the moaning on here this club is in decent nick, just need a bit of luck here and there, definitely some consistency & some level headed mgmt & support... I certainly want to see Town kick on, but I just feel Town are living on the edge a bit too much.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 22, 2015 22:58:15 GMT 1
The one thing I did mention on Tuesday was the fact that nobody would be celebrating Vaughan's goal if his self inflicted sending off had any impact on towns failure to get vital points against a poor Fulham team . Surely Vaughan is the clubs most experienced penalty taker ,and where is he when you need him most. The one thing we are all pictured on at the moment are the Wigan results, and thank god there are other teams playing shit football in this division. . You need to keep up. Wells is the designated penalty taker, so JV on the pitch or not, the penalty fiasco would have been the same. Surely Miller could blast the net off his with his powerful shot.
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Post by ram on Mar 23, 2015 12:36:25 GMT 1
I fell for Dean Hoyle,s patter and bought an early bird SC last March..I then went to see the Bournemouth game,Robbins walked and the Owner took weeks to appoint a Manager who,s name had been bandied about on here,to my dismay he was the chosen one..I haven,t been to another game all season,because of this,so I wasted over £200,the current state of affairs at the club with a manager who cannot get results,and signs dummies,means I won,t be falling for it again...Of course if the owner gets rid and appoints someone with credentials {other than "yes Mr.Hoyle"}I would probably get another SC....
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 23, 2015 12:36:50 GMT 1
Fulham scored two goals = fact..
Therefore even in the make believe world of some town supporters where we scored the 2 penalties, we still only got a draw???
Mel, you are dam right, we would have been defending a narrow lead against 10 men..
What have you seen this season that nobody else has that makes you 'think' town would have gone on to ;
a. see the game out easily at 2-1? b. gone on to score again?
as it happens, its moot, we missed both penalties, Fulham saw the game out with 10 men(and 5 regulars missing from the start) and scored again before the death.. no supposition or make believe required in my real world..
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Post by jl195480 on Mar 23, 2015 12:43:45 GMT 1
Alternatives? Bear in mind, when choosing, that:
a. we have to be able to afford them
b. they have to work within our budget
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 23, 2015 13:27:48 GMT 1
I am one of those not wanting a knee jerk reaction before Powell has the chance to bring some of his own players into the squad. Ok Edgar was a woeful loan signing however Miller was a reasonable stop gap which I hope we can improve upon out of season. Where I take issue with Powell is a lack of discipline eg Consoling and defending Vaughn for a sending off when that could have been a factor in losing our next game. Clearly he needs to take a better stance against some players and also look at his decision making for such as substitutions. I have already renewed and I hope that the manager can see that he just does not need to "tweak" the squad as a number of positions not least defence need to be strengthened if we are not going to end up in a relegation battle from the start of next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 17:46:46 GMT 1
Fulham scored two goals = fact.. Therefore even in the make believe world of some town supporters where we scored the 2 penalties, we still only got a draw???
Mel, you are dam right, we would have been defending a narrow lead against 10 men.. What have you seen this season that nobody else has that makes you 'think' town would have gone on to ; a. see the game out easily at 2-1? b. gone on to score again? as it happens, its moot, we missed both penalties, Fulham saw the game out with 10 men(and 5 regulars missing from the start) and scored again before the death.. no supposition or make believe required in my real world.. we didn't lose yesterday because we missed 2 penalties, in the end they would have in fact got us a draw. Your words, nobody else's. No supposition there then! You keep going on about Fulham missing key players, well what about our 'key players' Vaughan, Bunn, Robinson?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 23, 2015 17:58:03 GMT 1
Would anyone take uwe rossler instead of Powell? He's been at our last two home games, wonder if there's anything in it!
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Post by monkbar on Mar 23, 2015 18:12:27 GMT 1
I fell for Dean Hoyle,s patter and bought an early bird SC last March..I then went to see the Bournemouth game,Robbins walked and the Owner took weeks to appoint a Manager who,s name had been bandied about on here,to my dismay he was the chosen one..I haven,t been to another game all season,because of this,so I wasted over £200,the current state of affairs at the club with a manager who cannot get results,and signs dummies,means I won,t be falling for it again...Of course if the owner gets rid and appoints someone with credentials {other than "yes Mr.Hoyle"}I would probably get another SC.... Feck me, you didn't like the managerial appointment so haven't been to a game since despite being a season ticket holder? I've read some things on this forum in my time but that has to be the worst.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 23, 2015 18:12:53 GMT 1
Fulham scored two goals = fact.. Therefore even in the make believe world of some town supporters where we scored the 2 penalties, we still only got a draw??? Mel, you are dam right, we would have been defending a narrow lead against 10 men.. What have you seen this season that nobody else has that makes you 'think' town would have gone on to ; a. see the game out easily at 2-1? b. gone on to score again? as it happens, its moot, we missed both penalties, Fulham saw the game out with 10 men(and 5 regulars missing from the start) and scored again before the death.. no supposition or make believe required in my real world.. Yes thats what happened. Thats not whats been discussed though is it and if you think we'd have been piling forward and caught on the break like that had we been 2-1 up then you really do have a childish view of how the game works. Fulham saw the game out implies they did that in a comfortable organised way. They didn't, they had enormous strokes of luck, over and over again. Just for once, why not give a little understanding and perspective to what happened and why, rather than just focussing entirely on the end result?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 23, 2015 18:15:42 GMT 1
I fell for Dean Hoyle,s patter and bought an early bird SC last March..I then went to see the Bournemouth game,Robbins walked and the Owner took weeks to appoint a Manager who,s name had been bandied about on here,to my dismay he was the chosen one..I haven,t been to another game all season,because of this,so I wasted over £200,the current state of affairs at the club with a manager who cannot get results,and signs dummies,means I won,t be falling for it again...Of course if the owner gets rid and appoints someone with credentials {other than "yes Mr.Hoyle"}I would probably get another SC.... golly! suicide
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 23, 2015 18:19:52 GMT 1
I bought a can of Linx deodorant last year, sprayed it all over me pits, went out and didn't have a single fit bird wanting to shag me! I can't believe I fell for their patter and certainly won't be falling for it again. Haven't used it since. Of course if Linx Ltd can arrange for a fit bird to want to to shag me, i will continue using the deodorant.
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