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Post by kes on Jul 4, 2015 10:36:30 GMT 1
I'm hoping we aren't seeing Whitehead as Coadys replacement as otherwise the business model of buying young talent and selling them on for a profit is floored. ie Whitehead will give us a couple of seasons and move on for nothing. I would hope Coadys replacement is still being sought from the lower leagues or possibly a premier league reserve side !! I would hope Coadys replacement(s) was playing in the u21s last season, and Whitehead provides an 18 month opportunity to gradually bring them into the first team set up. The business model is not flawed, and in fact it makes incredible sense and is a possibly a perfect example of 'pathways' in action. If Coady stayed, we'd end up releasing a couple of Billing, Tronstad and the other one for no fee in 12 and 24 months. Coady goes for £2m, we've got an experienced player in, and the likelihood is we've got another future £2m player popping out of the academy/u21 set up in bit part form this season and becoming established next season. Don`t think anyone at the club wanted to sell Coady. Don`t think selling him was in anyway part of some business model. he`s been poached, illegally - in football terms - with the lure of more money. That`s just the way it is.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 4, 2015 10:38:13 GMT 1
I would hope Coadys replacement(s) was playing in the u21s last season, and Whitehead provides an 18 month opportunity to gradually bring them into the first team set up. The business model is not flawed, and in fact it makes incredible sense and is a possibly a perfect example of 'pathways' in action. If Coady stayed, we'd end up releasing a couple of Billing, Tronstad and the other one for no fee in 12 and 24 months. Coady goes for £2m, we've got an experienced player in, and the likelihood is we've got another future £2m player popping out of the academy/u21 set up in bit part form this season and becoming established next season. Don`t think anyone at the club wanted to sell Coady. Don`t think selling him was in anyway part of some business model. he`s been poached, illegally - in football terms - with the lure of more money. That`s just the way it is. Can we have Wolves arrested and charged?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 10:43:11 GMT 1
There weren't any threads on here last season saying what a star performer Coady was. He's a good player but totally replaceable. Last summer we sold two midfielders for nuff dollars and replaced them at a fraction of those dollars with Butterfield (one of the best players in the division) and Coady (who people are now losing sleep over) and we had a better team as a result. I'd settle for exactly the same again, every summer. Have we changed the currency we deal in now & do you have an identity crisis of not knowing which part of the world you are from? Jus sayin innit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 11:00:28 GMT 1
I would hope Coadys replacement(s) was playing in the u21s last season, and Whitehead provides an 18 month opportunity to gradually bring them into the first team set up. The business model is not flawed, and in fact it makes incredible sense and is a possibly a perfect example of 'pathways' in action. If Coady stayed, we'd end up releasing a couple of Billing, Tronstad and the other one for no fee in 12 and 24 months. Coady goes for £2m, we've got an experienced player in, and the likelihood is we've got another future £2m player popping out of the academy/u21 set up in bit part form this season and becoming established next season. Don`t think anyone at the club wanted to sell Coady. Don`t think selling him was in anyway part of some business model. he`s been poached, illegally - in football terms - with the lure of more money. That`s just the way it is.
When he was signed, and throughout last season, they might not have intended selling him specifically during this window, but OF COURSE the club ultimately wanted Coady to attract a substantial fee whenever he did eventually leave.
To believe that the offer from Wolves came totally out of the blue and took Town by surprise is naivety in the extreme.
Their HEAD OF PLAYER RECRUITMENT joined us in June, we signed Whitehead 3 weeks later and then a week later Coady makes the move. OF COURSE as a club we knew exactly what was happening in both directions over the whole period.
It's an exact replica of the way we went about replacing Clayton with Butterfield.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 11:06:17 GMT 1
Don`t think anyone at the club wanted to sell Coady. Don`t think selling him was in anyway part of some business model. he`s been poached, illegally - in football terms - with the lure of more money. That`s just the way it is.
When he was signed, and throughout last season, they might not have intended selling him specifically during this window, but OF COURSE the club ultimately wanted Coady to attract a substantial fee whenever he did eventually leave.
To believe that the offer from Wolves came totally out of the blue and took Town by surprise is naivety in the extreme.
Their HEAD OF PLAYER RECRUITMENT joined us in June, we signed Whitehead 3 weeks later and then a week later Coady makes the move. OF COURSE as a club we knew exactly what was happening in both directions over the whole period.
It's an exact replica of the way we went about replacing Clayton with Butterfield.
your not far off there lad with your observation!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 11:09:11 GMT 1
Ryan woods... Perfect replacement. Agree.....see my thread about him "scouting tip.....Ryan Woods" I think from way back in November. I know for certain Town have been monitoring him. We have been scouting many not just woods and there are some ahead of him!
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Post by In sooth- - on Jul 4, 2015 11:14:42 GMT 1
Good questions. I would welcome some answers.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 4, 2015 11:25:12 GMT 1
Give it thirty years and it will all come out FIFA stylee........oh wait no one will care it's little ole Huddersfield! Their all scratching each other's backs that's life I guess money it makes t'planet go round ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 11:55:25 GMT 1
Don`t think anyone at the club wanted to sell Coady. Don`t think selling him was in anyway part of some business model. he`s been poached, illegally - in football terms - with the lure of more money. That`s just the way it is.
When he was signed, and throughout last season, they might not have intended selling him specifically during this window, but OF COURSE the club ultimately wanted Coady to attract a substantial fee whenever he did eventually leave.
To believe that the offer from Wolves came totally out of the blue and took Town by surprise is naivety in the extreme.
Their HEAD OF PLAYER RECRUITMENT joined us in June, we signed Whitehead 3 weeks later and then a week later Coady makes the move. OF COURSE as a club we knew exactly what was happening in both directions over the whole period.
It's an exact replica of the way we went about replacing Clayton with Butterfield.
Just one point really, if that really was the case why use Coady to front the kit promotion? Bit embarrassing and naïve from our commercial team.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 4, 2015 12:08:50 GMT 1
Has Webber been involved as he was at Wolves ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 12:33:40 GMT 1
When he was signed, and throughout last season, they might not have intended selling him specifically during this window, but OF COURSE the club ultimately wanted Coady to attract a substantial fee whenever he did eventually leave.
To believe that the offer from Wolves came totally out of the blue and took Town by surprise is naivety in the extreme.
Their HEAD OF PLAYER RECRUITMENT joined us in June, we signed Whitehead 3 weeks later and then a week later Coady makes the move. OF COURSE as a club we knew exactly what was happening in both directions over the whole period.
It's an exact replica of the way we went about replacing Clayton with Butterfield.
Just one point really, if that really was the case why use Coady to front the kit promotion? Bit embarrassing and naïve from our commercial team. And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots?
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Post by morrisraspass on Jul 4, 2015 12:43:17 GMT 1
Just one point really, if that really was the case why use Coady to front the kit promotion? Bit embarrassing and naïve from our commercial team. And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots? I don't feel I can walk about town because of this whole episode. It's all just *so embarrassing*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 12:55:20 GMT 1
Just one point really, if that really was the case why use Coady to front the kit promotion? Bit embarrassing and naïve from our commercial team. And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots? So of all the players at the club we use the one we know is leaving as a model for the first away kit promotion? Yeah makes sense that.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 4, 2015 13:05:44 GMT 1
Very bad PR imho
It's like watching the new Bond trailer with Daniel Craig.
Then when the films released Daniel Craig isn't in it.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 4, 2015 13:06:48 GMT 1
I think this a great deal for Town. I didn't mind Coady, he had a few good games for us but I never saw him as fixture of the team that a lot of others seemed to. I valued Hogg and Butterfield to us a lot more last season. I thought in the most part Coady was average and his ball watching/lack of pressing the opposition was quite infuriating at times. The lad does have potential though. I see no reason why he can't go onto better things but at this stage of his development, this represents fantastic business from Town. If you look at it this way, he has gone for 5 times the fee we paid for him and there's no way he is 5 times the player he was when he arrived. If he was then I'd be gutted. Hopefully the money we receive from this transfer will be reinvested in the playing department to make the team, as whole, stronger. He played 49 times last season only missed one game that made him pretty much a fixture
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Post by morrisraspass on Jul 4, 2015 13:18:26 GMT 1
Very bad PR imho It's like watching the new Bond trailer with Daniel Craig. Then when the films released Daniel Craig isn't in it. No it wouldn't. That'd be if all those shots of CP shoving a pen in your face since May urging you to sign up turned out to be a waste because someone else was boss. Losing Coady is like spying Tanner in the trailer and being disappointed it's not Rory Kinnear when you see the film.
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Post by jasrick on Jul 4, 2015 13:24:46 GMT 1
Very bad PR imho It's like watching the new Bond trailer with Daniel Craig. Then when the films released Daniel Craig isn't in it. But if he was replaced with Colin Firth at a fraction of the cost, that'd be an improvement. Wait and see.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jul 4, 2015 13:25:24 GMT 1
We have three centre mids Hogg Butts Whitehead, history tells us we cant play 2 in a game say in a 4-2-4 because we get too exposed, therefore a 3-5-2 or 4-2-3-1 is our best option. Doubt that we can tempt another centre mid when 4 cant possibly be starters......it will be in defence that we might strengthen but don't be surprised if that's it for the players in , unless Wells goes to Burnley and we need a new striker
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Post by jasrick on Jul 4, 2015 13:26:25 GMT 1
In fact you could replace Daniel Craig with Barry Chuckle and it'd be an improvement if you ask me (not a Coady metaphor).
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 4, 2015 13:29:20 GMT 1
In fact you could replace Daniel Craig with Barry Chuckle and it'd be an improvement if you ask me (not a Coady metaphor). That's because Barry Chuckle is a living legend!!
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Post by htfcsince70 on Jul 4, 2015 13:31:02 GMT 1
The lad is clearly a good player - but didnt influence the game as much as others last season. I did like his attitude and willingness to fit in anywhere when changes were made during a game. Good bussiness though in my opinion, not sure how we would have kept everyone happy - especially in the midfield where we have similar players who can do the same job. The Wolves fans dont appear to be overly excited - some are quite concerned that it might mean the exit for MacDonald. I think it is an area that we will be okay in next season - there are other positions that obviously need strengthening but I believe we are in far better shape squad wise than we were this time last season.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 4, 2015 13:33:37 GMT 1
Talking sense since 71
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 13:33:41 GMT 1
And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots? So of all the players at the club we use the one we know is leaving as a model for the first away kit promotion? Yeah makes sense that. They may not have known about this move when the pics were taken. Having said that they should remove his pictures as soon as possible.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 4, 2015 13:43:42 GMT 1
Just one point really, if that really was the case why use Coady to front the kit promotion? Bit embarrassing and naïve from our commercial team. And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots? Exactly I had Clayton adorning my desktop fixture list all last season, and not once did I feel embarrassed in the slightest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 14:17:23 GMT 1
I think this a great deal for Town. I didn't mind Coady, he had a few good games for us but I never saw him as fixture of the team that a lot of others seemed to. I valued Hogg and Butterfield to us a lot more last season. I thought in the most part Coady was average and his ball watching/lack of pressing the opposition was quite infuriating at times. The lad does have potential though. I see no reason why he can't go onto better things but at this stage of his development, this represents fantastic business from Town. If you look at it this way, he has gone for 5 times the fee we paid for him and there's no way he is 5 times the player he was when he arrived. If he was then I'd be gutted. Hopefully the money we receive from this transfer will be reinvested in the playing department to make the team, as whole, stronger. He played 49 times last season only missed one game that made him pretty much a fixture It's quite obvious what I meant but you take my comment and translate it that way if you like. That's fine if you rated him that much that critiquing someone's comment in such a pedantic way makes you feel better about him leaving. I just don't rate him as highly as some and I'm not disappointed to see him leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 14:18:55 GMT 1
And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots? Exactly I had Clayton adorning my desktop fixture list all last season, and not once did I feel embarrassed in the slightest. Good job I'm not easily embarrassed Doc, I had Danny Ward on mine.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 4, 2015 14:25:16 GMT 1
He played 49 times last season only missed one game that made him pretty much a fixture It's quite obvious what I meant but you take my comment and translate it that way if you like. That's fine if you rated him that much that critiquing someone's comment in such a pedantic way makes you feel better about him leaving. I just don't rate him as highly as some and I'm not disappointed to see him leave. Calm down lad it wasn't obvious what you meant if you don't rate him fair dos too you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 14:42:33 GMT 1
It's quite obvious what I meant but you take my comment and translate it that way if you like. That's fine if you rated him that much that critiquing someone's comment in such a pedantic way makes you feel better about him leaving. I just don't rate him as highly as some and I'm not disappointed to see him leave. Calm down lad it wasn't obvious what you meant if you don't rate him fair dos too you I'm calm lad, don't need you worry about my blood pressure levels. That's kind of counter productive. Had I said he wasn't a fixture in the team after playing 49 games then I could understand you flagging me up. I did say a fixture of the team though. Meaning I didn't feel he was a linchpin, an integral cog in the machine, a key player etc. Particularly in midfield I thought Butterfield's and Hogg's contributions to the side were a lot greater than Coady's. I thought I was pretty clear so your post just seemed a little nit-picky to me as though it's purpose was to belittle another's opinion and flex some forum muscles. No worries if not. Happy to clear things up with you though.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 4, 2015 14:48:36 GMT 1
Calm down lad it wasn't obvious what you meant if you don't rate him fair dos too you I'm calm lad, don't need you worry about my blood pressure levels. That's kind of counter productive. Had I said he wasn't a fixture in the team after playing 49 games then I could understand you flagging me up. I did say a fixture of the team though. Meaning I didn't feel he was a linchpin, an integral cog in the machine, a key player etc. Particularly in midfield I thought Butterfield's and Hogg's contributions to the side were a lot greater than Coady's. I thought I was pretty clear so your post just seemed a little nit-picky to me as though it's purpose was to belittle another's opinion and flex some forum muscles. No worries if not. Happy to clear things up with you though. Sound mate
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 4, 2015 14:53:29 GMT 1
That's how I saw him too glenbelt. he played almost every game but he never struck me a player that had he not been playing, Id have been thinking 'Oh, thats a blow, we're going to really miss Coady today'. To be honest, in the second half of the season he was fortunate to keep his place as much as he did IMO as his general form tailed off noticeably from the first half.
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