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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 15:08:54 GMT 1
That's how I saw him too glenbelt. he played almost every game but he never struck me a player that had he not been playing, Id have been thinking 'Oh, thats a blow, we're going to really miss Coady today'. To be honest, in the second half of the season he was fortunate to keep his place as much as he did IMO as his general form tailed off noticeably from the first half. Fully agree with you. I thought to myself at the end of last season that if we were to strengthen midfield and improve it in the summer then Coady would be the first one I'd be looking at. That's not to say he couldn't improve upon himself, he's still a young lad. But a £2m windfall on someone you aren't certain about is good going to me. No one player is bigger than the club. Onto the next one.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 4, 2015 15:19:27 GMT 1
That's how I saw him too glenbelt. he played almost every game but he never struck me a player that had he not been playing, Id have been thinking 'Oh, thats a blow, we're going to really miss Coady today'. To be honest, in the second half of the season he was fortunate to keep his place as much as he did IMO as his general form tailed off noticeably from the first half. There you go - I saw it the opposite way round....first name I looked for on the team sheet perhaps along with Lynch, Vaughan and Butterfield. Form was cracking towards the end of the season. Maybe its a home game v away game thing - I saw mainly away games particularly through the last third of the season. Will be interesting to see how we shape up without him. Suspect we will be stronger defensively but maybe the front will become a bit more isolated from the back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 16:19:52 GMT 1
And what you may also have noticed is that Hudds Town is being ran as much more watertight a ship in terms of controlling info flow since the commercial side of the business stopped being directly involved and talking about the football. Not really sure what's embarrassing about Coady featuring in ONE of the away kit shots? So of all the players at the club we use the one we know is leaving as a model for the first away kit promotion? Yeah makes sense that. Oz whose name I've forgot and Tommy Smith are leaving too??? You're focusing on inventing something that hasnt happened and ignoring what has happened....for the exact same reason lots of folk moan, "we always concede straight after scoring" after we concede after scoring, EVEN THOUGH the evidence is that the LEAST LIKELY time we concede is directly after scoring. I'd be surprised if more than 8 of our first team players were even in the country when these shots were taken, I vaguely recall that Coady had moved locally to get away from Liverpool, Smith and Coady (and the new lads who will have been sorting things out) were quite possibly two of only a very small selection who COULD turn up easily for photos.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 4, 2015 16:23:24 GMT 1
next season just get boothy or lillis to model the new kit...probably more chance of them being part of the htfc family when the season starts again??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 16:56:19 GMT 1
So of all the players at the club we use the one we know is leaving as a model for the first away kit promotion? Yeah makes sense that. Oz whose name I've forgot and Tommy Smith are leaving too??? You're focusing on inventing something that hasnt happened and ignoring what has happened....for the exact same reason lots of folk moan, "we always concede straight after scoring" after we concede after scoring, EVEN THOUGH the evidence is that the LEAST LIKELY time we concede is directly after scoring. I'd be surprised if more than 8 of our first team players were even in the country when these shots were taken, I vaguely recall that Coady had moved locally to get away from Liverpool, Smith and Coady (and the new lads who will have been sorting things out) were quite possibly two of only a very small selection who COULD turn up easily for photos. You MAY well be right. Your suggestion that Dean Whitehead was brought in knowing Coady was leaving MAY also be right. Personally I have no idea if they were connected, so that makes me naïve I suppose. For all I know the ground work on Whitehead was down to Ross Wilson.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 4, 2015 16:57:25 GMT 1
So of all the players at the club we use the one we know is leaving as a model for the first away kit promotion? Yeah makes sense that. Oz whose name I've forgot and Tommy Smith are leaving too??? You're focusing on inventing something that hasnt happened and ignoring what has happened....for the exact same reason lots of folk moan, "we always concede straight after scoring" after we concede after scoring, EVEN THOUGH the evidence is that the LEAST LIKELY time we concede is directly after scoring. I'd be surprised if more than 8 of our first team players were even in the country when these shots were taken, I vaguely recall that Coady had moved locally to get away from Liverpool, Smith and Coady (and the new lads who will have been sorting things out) were quite possibly two of only a very small selection who COULD turn up easily for photos. Tommy smith is leaving? What have you heard? Sent from my SM-N910F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 17:34:00 GMT 1
Oz whose name I've forgot and Tommy Smith are leaving too??? You're focusing on inventing something that hasnt happened and ignoring what has happened....for the exact same reason lots of folk moan, "we always concede straight after scoring" after we concede after scoring, EVEN THOUGH the evidence is that the LEAST LIKELY time we concede is directly after scoring. I'd be surprised if more than 8 of our first team players were even in the country when these shots were taken, I vaguely recall that Coady had moved locally to get away from Liverpool, Smith and Coady (and the new lads who will have been sorting things out) were quite possibly two of only a very small selection who COULD turn up easily for photos. Tommy smith is leaving? What have you heard? Sent from my SM-N910F using proboards
I seen him in the yellow kit, they wear that when theyre on the way out.
Who can remember seeing Lopez in anything but a yellow kit?
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 4, 2015 17:40:39 GMT 1
Wells to model the new home strip! Suicide!
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 4, 2015 17:43:38 GMT 1
Tommy smith is leaving? What have you heard? Sent from my SM-N910F using proboards
I seen him in the yellow kit, they wear that when theyre on the way out.
Who can remember seeing Lopez in anything but a yellow kit?
Ahhh my sarcasm-ometer was switched off Sent from my SM-N910F using proboards
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 4, 2015 23:01:50 GMT 1
The question is now, will he go on to 'do an Arfield'?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 4, 2015 23:14:43 GMT 1
The question is now, will he go on to 'do an Arfield'? Of course, will Fire them to play offs as we struggle
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Post by Norn Iron Terrier on Jul 4, 2015 23:39:53 GMT 1
In fact you could replace Daniel Craig with Barry Chuckle and it'd be an improvement if you ask me (not a Coady metaphor). That's because Barry Chuckle is a living legend!! And he has a believable edge from his clandestine military service that Daniel Craig lacks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 10:25:29 GMT 1
That's somewhat of a jump in so called reasoned discussion....who mentioned that club? Coady was never going to go there..... ... and thank goodness for the "big clubs" out there who are willing to pay £2 million for our third best midfielder Yes willing and indeed able to do so .....that's what the bigger clubs can do!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 14:01:51 GMT 1
If the rumor is true and its £2m, im happy with that. Sold Clayton who is a better player for £1.5m last year and replaced well. I'm confident they will do the same again this year. if as i now understand there was no sell on clause when we got him thats a great deal for us
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 5, 2015 14:26:58 GMT 1
If the rumor is true and its £2m, im happy with that. Sold Clayton who is a better player for £1.5m last year and replaced well. I'm confident they will do the same again this year. if as i now understand there was no sell on clause when we got him thats a great deal for us If that is the case, for £2million they've had their bare buttocks slapped!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 14:48:02 GMT 1
if as i now understand there was no sell on clause when we got him thats a great deal for us If that is the case, for £2million they've had their bare buttocks slapped! In 18 months you might be thinking they have slapped ours - we'll see - only potential Premiership player in our squad imho!
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 5, 2015 14:55:22 GMT 1
If that is the case, for £2million they've had their bare buttocks slapped! In 18 months you might be thinking they have slapped ours - we'll see - only potential Premiership player in our squad imho! Which Prem team would he get in? No chance he'll ever play regularly in the Prem unless wolves get promoted and even then they'd buy some foreign player to replace him in the year they went up. Name the team he'd get in. Fantasy land.
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Post by capitalterrier on Jul 5, 2015 15:03:34 GMT 1
The comment says potential premiership player.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 15:10:48 GMT 1
In 18 months you might be thinking they have slapped ours - we'll see - only potential Premiership player in our squad imho! Which Prem team would he get in? No chance he'll ever play regularly in the Prem unless wolves get promoted and even then they'd buy some foreign player to replace him in the year they went up. Name the team he'd get in. Fantasy land. We'll see. I think he would potentially get in at least the lower half of the division as the holding midfielder in a 3 man midfield. Don't think the competition is all that hot to be honest and I'd see him developing into a Matic type player. ..... so no world beaters in this lot apart from maybe Song at West Ham and he looked knackered most of last season and is moving on anyway maybe. Just the sort of lad to replace the Everton holding midfielder (whose name I've forgot) who used to play for England when he hangs up his boots in a couple of years. 9 (9) Stoke City 38 15 9 14 48 45 3 54 10 (12) Crystal Palace 38 13 9 16 47 51 -4 48 11 (10) Everton 38 12 11 15 48 50 -2 47 12 (11) West Ham United 38 12 11 15 44 47 -3 47 13 (13) West Bromwich Albion 38 11 11 16 38 51 -13 44 14 (14) Leicester City 38 11 8 19 46 55 -9 41 15 (17) Newcastle United 38 10 9 19 40 63 -23 39 16 (15) Sunderland 38 7 17 14 31 53 -22 38 17 (16) Aston Villa 38 10 8 20 31 57 -26 38 18 (18) Hull City 38 8 11 19 33 51 -18 35 19 (19) Burnley 38 7 12 19 28 53 -25 33 20 (20) Queens Park Rangers 38 8 6 24 42 73 -31 30
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Post by htfcsince70 on Jul 5, 2015 15:14:22 GMT 1
Most of the people that I have spoken to - some involved in football with pro clubs - think it is an excellent deal for us - I tend to agree. I know that Podolski is a striker at 1.8 million but he has played at the highest level with some success, 2 million for Coady with a lot to prove (and he may well do so) - but it makes the deal even better in my opinion.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 5, 2015 16:48:13 GMT 1
That's how I saw him too glenbelt. he played almost every game but he never struck me a player that had he not been playing, Id have been thinking 'Oh, thats a blow, we're going to really miss Coady today'. To be honest, in the second half of the season he was fortunate to keep his place as much as he did IMO as his general form tailed off noticeably from the first half. There you go - I saw it the opposite way round....first name I looked for on the team sheet perhaps along with Lynch, Vaughan and Butterfield. Form was cracking towards the end of the season. Maybe its a home game v away game thing - I saw mainly away games particularly through the last third of the season. Will be interesting to see how we shape up without him. Suspect we will be stronger defensively but maybe the front will become a bit more isolated from the back. You might be right. I only got to one away game all season. Some players do suit away football more than home so maybe if Id travelled more id be more pissed off about him leaving.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 17:06:18 GMT 1
There you go - I saw it the opposite way round....first name I looked for on the team sheet perhaps along with Lynch, Vaughan and Butterfield. Form was cracking towards the end of the season. Maybe its a home game v away game thing - I saw mainly away games particularly through the last third of the season. Will be interesting to see how we shape up without him. Suspect we will be stronger defensively but maybe the front will become a bit more isolated from the back. You might be right. I only got to one away game all season. Some players do suit away football more than home so maybe if Id travelled more id be more pissed off about him leaving. I think he is probably at his best when setting up counter attacks against decent teams away from home. Probably at his worst when teams are sitting back against us at home and he has to be more creative trying to break teams down when he becomes a bit invisible. We will also miss his height in the middle of the park. Be interesting to see how he develops at Wolves.
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Post by rantinray on Jul 6, 2015 10:12:36 GMT 1
Here we go again. A repeat of last season. Sell players who could give us a boost up the division and buy players who can keep us fighting for relegation. Very positive response from our Chairman. Swap a young player for an old player makes complete sense. Oh, sorry its business sense.
I hope I am proved wrong but season after season since we got promotion it has been a struggle. Areas of the squad have been strengthened only for the player/s to be sold because it makes business sense. Trouble is as a fan I care more about the quality of our play rather than a players worth. Before you start, No I do not wish to return to the days of spend and bust.
The constant buying and selling players is demoralising for the team and the fans. Where is a consistent team selection. We harp on about consistency in the quality of our play and players yet the team selection is anything but consistent.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 10:25:55 GMT 1
How is any of that a negative 'here we go again' ?? Nothing youve said there makes any sense to me at all.
We sold Pilkington and following season improved (and went up) We sold Rhodes and following season improved ( massively) We sold Hunt and following season improved We sold Clayton and following season improved We sold Coady and .....
Can you not see a pattern there? Doesn't that strike you as a pretty positive policy from our chairman? If you care more about the quality of our play, then whats the problem- each successive season that quality has improved, as has our league position.
Dealing in players isn't demoralising anybody. Why would it. Its a necessity and whatsmore its proving to be a successful strategy. We don't have the money to do anything else anyway.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 6, 2015 10:49:28 GMT 1
The constant buying and selling players is demoralising for the team and the fans. Complete nonsense. Selling players to better clubs tells players if they do well with us a move to a bigger club if possible. Selling players keeps fans talking and guessing. Also keeps money flowing. How is either of those demoralizing. Love transfer time - makes preseason so interesting.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 6, 2015 10:51:13 GMT 1
How is any of that a negative 'here we go again' ?? Nothing youve said there makes any sense to me at all. We sold Pilkington and following season improved (and went up) We sold Rhodes and following season improved ( massively) We sold Hunt and following season improved We sold Clayton and following season improved We sold Coady and ..... Can you not see a pattern there? Doesn't that strike you as a pretty positive policy from our chairman? If you care more about the quality of our play, then whats the problem- each successive season that quality has improved, as has our league position. Dealing in players isn't demoralising anybody. Why would it. Its a necessity and whatsmore its proving to be a successful strategy. We don't have the money to do anything else anyway. So what you are saying is that this pattern of selling our best players will ultimately see us as reigning Premier league and European champions?
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Post by Batman on Jul 6, 2015 10:51:40 GMT 1
Which Prem team would he get in? No chance he'll ever play regularly in the Prem unless wolves get promoted and even then they'd buy some foreign player to replace him in the year they went up. Name the team he'd get in. Fantasy land. We'll see. I think he would potentially get in at least the lower half of the division as the holding midfielder in a 3 man midfield. Don't think the competition is all that hot to be honest and I'd see him developing into a Matic type player. ..... so no world beaters in this lot apart from maybe Song at West Ham and he looked knackered most of last season and is moving on anyway maybe. Just the sort of lad to replace the Everton holding midfielder (whose name I've forgot) who used to play for England when he hangs up his boots in a couple of years. 9 (9) Stoke City 38 15 9 14 48 45 3 54 10 (12) Crystal Palace 38 13 9 16 47 51 -4 48 11 (10) Everton 38 12 11 15 48 50 -2 47 12 (11) West Ham United 38 12 11 15 44 47 -3 47 13 (13) West Bromwich Albion 38 11 11 16 38 51 -13 44 14 (14) Leicester City 38 11 8 19 46 55 -9 41 15 (17) Newcastle United 38 10 9 19 40 63 -23 39 16 (15) Sunderland 38 7 17 14 31 53 -22 38 17 (16) Aston Villa 38 10 8 20 31 57 -26 38 18 (18) Hull City 38 8 11 19 33 51 -18 35 19 (19) Burnley 38 7 12 19 28 53 -25 33 20 (20) Queens Park Rangers 38 8 6 24 42 73 -31 30 Gareth Barry?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 10:57:12 GMT 1
The constant buying and selling players is demoralising for the team and the fans. Complete nonsense. Selling players to better clubs tells players if they do well with us a move to a bigger club if possible. Selling players keeps fans talking and guessing. Also keeps money flowing. How is either of those demoralizing. Love transfer time - makes preseason so interesting. Thats a really good point and shouldn't be understated. We must be getting a very good reputation amongst players and perhaps more importantly, their agents, that HTFC is a club that will be great for your career development IF you have what it takes to do well. Any agent can now chuck a load of player names at his client who have used us as a stepping stone to get a big money move to a more high profile club and big money deal. So when a young player is confronted by a list of clubs that he could sign for, that reputation is a great selling point in getting them to come here. Its a win win situation. The player only gets that IF he does well, so thats good for the club too. And he Club get a much needed cash boost it can use to continue developing and invest in other players with potential.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 11:00:18 GMT 1
How is any of that a negative 'here we go again' ?? Nothing youve said there makes any sense to me at all. We sold Pilkington and following season improved (and went up) We sold Rhodes and following season improved ( massively) We sold Hunt and following season improved We sold Clayton and following season improved We sold Coady and ..... Can you not see a pattern there? Doesn't that strike you as a pretty positive policy from our chairman? If you care more about the quality of our play, then whats the problem- each successive season that quality has improved, as has our league position. Dealing in players isn't demoralising anybody. Why would it. Its a necessity and whatsmore its proving to be a successful strategy. We don't have the money to do anything else anyway. So what you are saying is that this pattern of selling our best players will ultimately see us as reigning Premier league and European champions? Almost certainly! Im saying its the best strategy we have and its working. It has to do because unless the people of the area suddenly start getting behind its club in greater numbers, its also the only strategy we have available to us.
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Post by In sooth- - on Jul 6, 2015 11:07:39 GMT 1
I have been saying that ad nauseum.
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