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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 1, 2015 19:02:47 GMT 1
No problem with the decision at all as it is perfectly reasonable as was the Gobern one, the public announcement of it is my issue here and it's that announcement that has caused this fallout with the player IMO. It's not the first time a club has said a player won't be having a player's contract renewed and it won't be the last. As I said before, I bet JV knew in his gut that that would be the case anyway. As I've said previously there is not an issue with the decision and initially I'm sure Vaughan appreciated DH's honesty with him, but I have never known our club announce such a decision publicly 2 league games into the 46 game season for which the player is contracted. And I firmly believe it was the publicly announcing it that has caused the players dissent.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Sept 1, 2015 19:05:58 GMT 1
I hope the irony of James Vaughan using a picture of himself coming back from yet another injury to show how dedicated he is isn't lost on you all.
Quality player on his day but as usual dumber than a box of hammers.
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Post by terryya on Sept 1, 2015 19:06:41 GMT 1
Always been a Vaughan fan but I'm pretty dissapointed with his attitude considering the length of time the clubs supported him while he's been injured. Sums up pretty well exactly how I feel. I remember getting excited every time he was named in the team after getting back from injury but haven't given him a second thought this season. Can't understand how the best thing for all concerned wasn't that he put his head down for us and played well enough, in enough games, for him to get a decent contract next season.
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Post by townrwe on Sept 1, 2015 19:06:35 GMT 1
When we signed him we had protection against "injury" in the deal. Probably paid a large % of the fee based on appearances.
So say we still owe 300k. That could be due on his next appearance..... If that's the case and he ain't getting a renewal then it could be an even more expensive 10 games he may play this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 19:07:25 GMT 1
Actually posting this in response to the 'Scouse mafia' post, but as it's JV related i'll respond here...
The modern game and lucrative contracts has created a position whereby out of favour players can just sit back and take the money until they're in a position to decide they'd better get off their arse and look for a new job. I seem to recall David Batty did exactly the same yrs ago and there will have been many more since.
For footballers of an era not that long ago & for the majority of folk on here, the luxury of being able to languish around like a lazy arse because your income was protected didn't exist. If you were out of favour, you were out of a job and paying the bills meant getting a new job sharpish...
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Post by Mr Breitside on Sept 1, 2015 19:10:57 GMT 1
Fred, I agree, provided his heart is still in it here. I suspect though it isn't based on reading Powell's comments. In which case, we have a problem if he stays...... We seem to be making a bit of a habit of putting players who can improve the first XI into a position where they're not selectable even on the bench. ...Paterson, Gerrard, Gobern. (Obviously Gobern did, eventually, get a chance...but we sat and watched more or less a full season as Coady and Hogg gradually lost form, impact and fitness). When we decide we no longer want to pay the contract we have agreed then we try and force them out.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 1, 2015 19:17:57 GMT 1
I think you will find that dealing with Vaughan since the start of the season left DH no option than to publicly state that he would not be renewing his contract.Yes puts himself about WHEN playing but a complete billy big bollocks the rest of the time,,a typical smart arsed scouser.
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Post by impact on Sept 1, 2015 19:18:58 GMT 1
I must be missing something here. How exactly is a player 'greedy' for not wanting to accept less money? The guy was told he wasn't wanted beyond this season and could hunt out a new deal. He did but decided not to accept it, what's the problem?
And also, when we only have 2 other strikers why are people desperate for him to leave? Half a season of game time from him will keep us up IMO. His goals in 12/13 and 13/14 were invaluable and he is a major reason why we are in the Championship today. You can say a lot about Vaughan but when I look at all the other guys in our squad he's the one that I'd want when are backs are against the wall. I've never seen him give anything other than 100%.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 1, 2015 19:20:05 GMT 1
I think you will find that dealing with Vaughan since the start of the season left DH no option than to publicly state that he would not be renewing his contract.Yes puts himself about WHEN playing but a complete billy big bollocks the rest of the time,,a typical smart arsed scouser. He's from Birmingham.
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 1, 2015 19:20:35 GMT 1
a typical smart arsed scouser. Except he was born in Birmingham.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 1, 2015 19:25:37 GMT 1
I think you will find that dealing with Vaughan since the start of the season left DH no option than to publicly state that he would not be renewing his contract.Yes puts himself about WHEN playing but a complete billy big bollocks the rest of the time,,a typical smart arsed scouser. I find it extremely hard to believe that DH didn't have any other option than to publicly state Vaughan's contract situation. I am as positive a poster as you will find but DH's public comments regarding past and present employees have IMO always been his achilles heel. The scouser comment is completely unnecessary and ill thought out - are you related to DH?
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Sept 1, 2015 19:46:26 GMT 1
I don't do twitter, but has any fan commented on JV's account? Plenty of opinions on here. Anybody told him to his twitter If so, any response?
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 1, 2015 20:57:53 GMT 1
Wanted a new contract with improved terms to stay.
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Post by Giggity on Sept 1, 2015 20:59:22 GMT 1
I think you will find that dealing with Vaughan since the start of the season left DH no option than to publicly state that he would not be renewing his contract.Yes puts himself about WHEN playing but a complete billy big bollocks the rest of the time,,a typical smart arsed scouser. I find it extremely hard to believe that DH didn't have any other option than to publicly state Vaughan's contract situation. I am as positive a poster as you will find but DH's public comments regarding past and present employees have IMO always been his achilles heel.The scouser comment is completely unnecessary and ill thought out - are you related to DH? But you said he didn't set himself up for a heavy fall yesterday when I made that very point. Hmm
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Post by villageidiot on Sept 1, 2015 21:01:45 GMT 1
the truth will out...
did he fail his medical due to a broken flask or a twisted sock??
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Post by Giggity on Sept 1, 2015 21:03:45 GMT 1
James Vaughan @vaughany08 3h3 hours ago The truth always comes out in the end!!! 201 retweets 131 favorites Liz @efcliz @vaughany08 is this about the Arteta money? fucking Liz!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:11:39 GMT 1
I hope the irony of James Vaughan using a picture of himself coming back from yet another injury to show how dedicated he is isn't lost on you all. Quality player on his day but as usual dumber than a box of hammers. Perhaps, but the implication is that he IS currently fit. If that's the case, then who is the dumb one if we're selecting Ishmael Miller in his place? We can't be going on moaning about a players non availability, and then selecting worse players when he IS available. Too much politics in professional football... I used to like it when I believed the managers opinion of the best XI on any given day were selected. Wouldn't be that much of a stretch to suggest that we've lost maybe 4 points through off the field activities already this season... and that frankly is a lot worse than losing them simply because the other team is better than your best team.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 1, 2015 21:22:05 GMT 1
Spot on ,don't think we have played a better team than us so far this season.
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Post by amoeba on Sept 1, 2015 21:30:05 GMT 1
Spot on ,don't think we have played a better team than us so far this season. Be nice to beat one of them and prove we're better.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 1, 2015 21:31:02 GMT 1
I find it extremely hard to believe that DH didn't have any other option than to publicly state Vaughan's contract situation. I am as positive a poster as you will find but DH's public comments regarding past and present employees have IMO always been his achilles heel.The scouser comment is completely unnecessary and ill thought out - are you related to DH? But you said he didn't set himself up for a heavy fall yesterday when I made that very point. Hmm You made the point that he said Butterfield was not for sale, while completely ignoring the qualifying comment he stated that every player has a price. For the record I have no issue with comments like that. Making public his personal thoughts and observations regarding Vaughan, Clark, Hunt and others are the Achilles heel IMO.
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Post by royrace on Sept 1, 2015 21:45:28 GMT 1
Wanted a new contract with improved terms to stay. Cheeky fcker if true!! I sometimes think deans comments are unprofessional but to be honest if he thinks someone is taking the piss it's understandable. Maybe he thinks Vaughan doesn't deserve his respect for reasons we're unaware of. From what I see on the pitch Vaughan's attitude is top notch but it seems that might not be the case off it? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 1, 2015 21:57:34 GMT 1
Wanted a new contract with improved terms to stay. Doesn't everyone? He is free to ask just as DH is equally entitled to laugh as a response. I like Vaughan but wouldn't have extended his contract on anything other than a pay as you play contract and would have been happy for him to leave for a better contract elsewhere but publicly hanging him out to dry like he has been is very shabby when he is under contract for almost a year and his goals have been very crucial for this club in the past. He is STILL under contract for this year, the initial one that DH was happy to give a player with an horrendous injury history. In fact, he has probably had his best 3 year spell of availibility of his career with us. He could have been a valuable asset to us this season especially considering our current striking options, but irresponsible actions have led to a completely avoidable situation.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 1, 2015 22:03:23 GMT 1
See he kick off on twitter today saying he was advised not to play for 7 weeks but was basically forced to play after aweek.. Well I could have sworn he didn't wear that facial mask that the specialist said would allow him to play for the 7 weeks, which makes me think he wasn't too concerned about it at the time?
I could be wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:08:46 GMT 1
Spot on ,don't think we have played a better team than us so far this season. I think Hull were (and we actually kept ourselves in that game quite competitively until we weren't), but otherwise I agree.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 1, 2015 22:10:45 GMT 1
Would not hang a dog on the word of a footballer. The truth will come out and Vaughan will not look good, have you ever seen him at Town when he has not been playing through injury ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:13:39 GMT 1
Would not hang a dog on the word of a footballer. The truth will come out and Vaughan will not look good, have you ever seen him at Town when he has not been playing through injury ? quite a few times. nice suit.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 1, 2015 22:17:38 GMT 1
Think it was a bit of a gaff from the club to say they wouldn't be offering him a new contract instead of telling him to earn one.........but its a poor do by vaughan to put that on twitter while we still pay his (sizable) wages
Imagine he will go out on loan, but if not i'd still have him in the team if fit.....best player left on our books by a distance
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 1, 2015 22:17:21 GMT 1
Only for treatment.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 1, 2015 22:19:06 GMT 1
I think you will find that dealing with Vaughan since the start of the season left DH no option than to publicly state that he would not be renewing his contract.Yes puts himself about WHEN playing but a complete billy big bollocks the rest of the time,, a typical smart arsed scouser. From birmingham.
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Post by townrwe on Sept 1, 2015 22:21:03 GMT 1
Think it was a bit of a gaff from the club to say they wouldn't be offering him a new contract instead of telling him to earn one.........but its a poor do by vaughan to put that on twitter while we still pay his (sizable) wages Imagine he will go out on loan, but if not i'd still have him in the team if fit.....best player left on our books by a distance It's probably some kind of breach of contract. If I was dean I'd sack him in the morning. Problem solved.
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