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Post by 4 pts on Sept 14, 2015 23:22:27 GMT 1
Not asking you to make anything up but if it is the club hierarchy that have told Powell not to pick him then that is a big issue. Powell has already had his hands tied to some degree and if he wants Vaughan to play then he should be able to play him. This is would show that we are trying to force Vaughan out and that finances are coming before the betterment of the team. All we know for sure is that Vaughan has been told he can leave, and that has been made public by Dean. Everything else is speculation. Put yourself in Vaughans position, and what would you do? Ooooh let me see. If I'd have earned around 1.5 mil in 3 years and been on the sick for 2 of those 3 years, probably hold my hands up and get back to playing some football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 1:01:08 GMT 1
I really hope Vaughan hasn't downed tools, ok Hoyle made a mistake but he should play for the fans now. Prove your worth Vaughan. If I had to hazard a guess, my guess would be that is the likeliest scenario, unless he IS actually injured. No chance. We would select him, then get his contract cancelled force majeure with the full backing of the PFA if he refused to play. The reason he isnt in the squad is because he isnt being picked. He isnt being picked because someone has decided he shouldnt be picked, or, hes not currently fit enough to be picked. That no reason for his continued absence is forthcoming means its most likely that hes simply not being picked, despite being fit to play surely?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 9:11:51 GMT 1
Need to know what's happening with Vaughan form the club – honest, no innuendos.
Could do with his fight and presence up front.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 16, 2015 10:21:50 GMT 1
He could still do a job.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 16, 2015 10:27:58 GMT 1
Need to know what's happening with Vaughan form the club – honest, no innuendos. Could do with his fight and presence up front. Probably the right decision at the moment. Actually I doubt very much whether the fans need to know what's going on. The management are probably thinking to let the rumpus settle down, then revisit it and see if the club can salvage anything from what was obviously a bit of a disaster. If De Gea can change his mind in a matter of a week, so can James Vaughan.
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Sept 16, 2015 10:55:40 GMT 1
The physio/medical team want to know aswell. They've got mortgages and families to feed. If Vaughan goes then there could be wholesale redundancies.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 16, 2015 11:12:50 GMT 1
odd one..
he wont get any sort of move worth its name with his injury record if he isnt playing and as we are paying him he should be playing in some capacity if fit..
bollox to mentally not being 'right'.. he is mentally well enough to cash the cheques..
I question his desire to play and not just for us. maybe his property investments are returning enough now and the football money is just gravy??
Id back Dean to take him and his agent and the PFA on..
Im not against footballers being paid the going rate, its a free economy but someone has to stand up sometime to those taking the piss..
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 16, 2015 11:24:24 GMT 1
Put him in the u21's. That's what Cloughie would have done, if he couldn't make few bob out of him.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 16, 2015 11:31:04 GMT 1
Does anybody have any evidence that Vaughan is refusing to play?
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Sept 16, 2015 11:33:35 GMT 1
Its an interesting one, contractually I dont know how it works and im sure the power is loaded to the player and his agent.. but what if a club was to say ok you have to do something for your wages then go and help in the community coaching kids round the schools and do something decent. I doubt a player like Vaughan knows any of the areas around the town that has fed his ego and bank account so handsomely. Players come and go and players and clubs fall out, but it is too easy now for 2nd division players to get relative fortunes for giving very little.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 16, 2015 13:05:59 GMT 1
Does anybody have any evidence that Vaughan is refusing to play? we dont really have any evidence either way.. we have suspicion and rumour but the club are in no mans land because we are paying him a load not to play but cant bad mouth him because we need to shift him on.. he cant say too much as he needs/wants a move,and is still being paid by us.. Im still not too sure wether he really wants to play for anyone...if he really did I suggest he would be at least on the bench and wanting to get on the pitch, it would at least force the managers hand???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 13:12:21 GMT 1
Anyone fancy emailing Dean?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 16, 2015 13:54:54 GMT 1
I am expecting him to disappear into obsecurity for the remainder of the year with Town similar to Gerrard last season. But unlike Gerrard I expect Vaughan to be playing league football next season.
For fear of becoming a broken record, there was not a problem with him playing for Town until DH's public comments and it has so far turned into anything but the win-win situation quoted.
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Sept 16, 2015 14:24:29 GMT 1
A poor man's Collymore. Rather tweet and play on his x box than prove himself. Doubt he's doing extra training sessions put it that way.
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Post by Melc on Sept 16, 2015 14:46:23 GMT 1
it's a shame it has come to this with Vaughan, either way the current situation is not helping the player or the club. No matter what has gone on or who is to blame, is it to hard for both parties to sit down and sort things out like adults!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 16, 2015 14:53:51 GMT 1
it's a shame it has come to this with Vaughan, either way the current situation is not helping the player or the club. No matter what has gone on or who is to blame, is it to hard for both parties to sit down and sort things out like adults! I hope it isn't too hard Melc. But only time will tell. Contrary to Showaddywaddywaddy's post the club hold all the aces and the players registration, if as I suspect the club will not select Vaughan there is little he can do about it. If as some others suspect Vaughan is refusing to play, then (unlike Vaughan if the shoe is on the other foot) the club can investigate breach of employment contract issues and I would expect him to be at least suspended by the club pending a disciplinary hearing and should the situation remain unchanged Vaughan would face dismissal. And then again he could just be injured
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 15:06:50 GMT 1
odd one.. he wont get any sort of move worth its name with his injury record if he isnt playing and as we are paying him he should be playing in some capacity if fit.. bollox to mentally not being 'right'.. he is mentally well enough to cash the cheques.. I question his desire to play and not just for us. maybe his property investments are returning enough now and the football money is just gravy?? Id back Dean to take him and his agent and the PFA on.. Im not against footballers being paid the going rate, its a free economy but someone has to stand up sometime to those taking the piss.. How does he play if he's not put on the teamsheet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 15:08:23 GMT 1
Does anybody have any evidence that Vaughan is refusing to play? we dont really have any evidence either way.. we have suspicion and rumour but the club are in no mans land because we are paying him a load not to play but cant bad mouth him because we need to shift him on.. he cant say too much as he needs/wants a move,and is still being paid by us.. Im still not too sure wether he really wants to play for anyone...if he really did I suggest he would be at least on the bench and wanting to get on the pitch, it would at least force the managers hand??? He has to be picked to get on that bench.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 16, 2015 15:12:24 GMT 1
we dont really have any evidence either way.. we have suspicion and rumour but the club are in no mans land because we are paying him a load not to play but cant bad mouth him because we need to shift him on.. he cant say too much as he needs/wants a move,and is still being paid by us.. Im still not too sure wether he really wants to play for anyone...if he really did I suggest he would be at least on the bench and wanting to get on the pitch, it would at least force the managers hand??? He has to be picked to get on that bench. We know nothing, but we know everything, but Vaughan doesn't come out well in all of it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 15:27:30 GMT 1
He has to be picked to get on that bench. We know nothing, but we know everything, but Vaughan doesn't come out well in all of it! Depends what you know I suppose. All I know is that Vaughan isn't being picked in a match day squad, and I *think* he's fit, and I *think* he's better than players that have been picked on the bench and in starting XI's. Doesn't say anything about Vaughan to me.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 16, 2015 15:29:27 GMT 1
It is a very odd situation and actually quite sad - not sure who's a fault really but it won't be straightforward. I reckon we will pay his contract up and he can leave asap. As I say very sad as for most of his time on the pitch he did a good job.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 16, 2015 15:32:51 GMT 1
He's injured. It really is as simple as that at the moment. Whether he'd be picked if he was fit is another matter ...
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 16, 2015 16:16:44 GMT 1
He's injured. It really is as simple as that at the moment. Whether he'd be picked if he was fit is another matter ... Ahhh, but, is he injured, or "injured"?
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 16, 2015 16:21:04 GMT 1
He's injured. It really is as simple as that at the moment. Whether he'd be picked if he was fit is another matter ... Ahhh, but, is he injured, or "injured"? I've been told he's been with the medical team this last week. Sounds genuine. Now, I'm not saying he'll be fit again any time soon or what will happen if/when he is fit ...
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Sept 16, 2015 16:32:45 GMT 1
Some will make a conspiracy theory out of anything.
Vaughan has shown he's not afraid to tweet - if he wasn't injured and the club said he was I'm sure we'd have heard about it from him.
His latest injury just shows how delicate he is - second injury to keep him out of games and we're in game week 6.
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Post by nah1 on Sept 16, 2015 16:33:31 GMT 1
He's injured. It really is as simple as that at the moment. Whether he'd be picked if he was fit is another matter ... Ahhh, but, is he injured, or "injured"? That, as they say, is the question. If a footballer says, "my knee's giving me a lot of pain, and I can't run or train", I guess it's pretty hard to prove otherwise? If you've made up your mind not to play, it's a lot safer to say it's because you're injured than it's because you're p***d off. As far as your next contract goes, though, being injured for another 9 months will make an already iffy CV fitness-wise look even worse.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2015 16:34:51 GMT 1
He tripped over a jacket spud someone dropped in the canteen at canalside..... Simples.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 16, 2015 16:39:21 GMT 1
He tripped over a jacket spud someone dropped in the canteen at canalside..... Simples. hot potato
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 17:03:14 GMT 1
Are the things levelled against him snippets/heresy that are just picked upon ?
Property investments/Portfolio - there's many a footballer got these and they don't stop playing. Why should JV be any different? What exactly does he own ? The Town of Bootle or a couple of Chip shops ?
Twitter - yes Vaughan does a few tweets now and again, but from what I can see it's not like some of the users on here who do must rob their employers of their wages week in week out by being permanently logged on DATM !!
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 16, 2015 17:10:47 GMT 1
For DH to publicly comment on Vaughan certainly makes you wonder if there has been some sort of confrontation between the two. If so I wouldn't blame Hoyle for the stance he has taken. At the end of the day he pays his wages. Patience may have worn thin. In most industries Vaughan would have been disciplined and or given the boot by now.
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