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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 17:28:11 GMT 1
We do?! I don't remember any young keepers other than Smithies ever doing anything, or looking anything close to ready when theyve had occasional cameos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_EastwoodSimon Eastwood looked nothing like a keeper for Town!! Five years after leaving he's still yet to establish himself as anything but a stop gap player. We need a decent keeper NOW, and to suggest any of the young lads might be ready because we had some other young lads in the past who people spoke well of but who actually weren't very good is ludicrous. It's akin to suggesting Butterfield should leave because Duane Holmes is a good young lad who could fill his boots because Jordan Sinnott once looked like he might become good!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 17:32:33 GMT 1
Why write off Murphy ? Give the guy a chance.hes played at this level and higher
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Post by philincalifornia on Aug 16, 2015 17:35:30 GMT 1
Simon Eastwood looked nothing like a keeper for Town!! Five years after leaving he's still yet to establish himself as anything but a stop gap player. We need a decent keeper NOW, and to suggest any of the young lads might be ready because we had some other young lads in the past who people spoke well of but who actually weren't very good is ludicrous. It's akin to suggesting Butterfield should leave because Duane Holmes is a good young lad who could fill his boots because Jordan Sinnott once looked like he might become good!! You might want to give my post a re-read. I asked "Is Allinson any good ??", because it might be where we 're headed. I didn't say I liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 17:36:54 GMT 1
Simon Eastwood looked nothing like a keeper for Town!!Five years after leaving he's still yet to establish himself as anything but a stop gap player. We need a decent keeper NOW, and to suggest any of the young lads might be ready because we had some other young lads in the past who people spoke well of but who actually weren't very good is ludicrous. It's akin to suggesting Butterfield should leave because Duane Holmes is a good young lad who could fill his boots because Jordan Sinnott once looked like he might become good!! He only played one game. Get the feeling he was just unlucky to come through at the same time as Smithies.
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Post by mids on Aug 16, 2015 17:39:19 GMT 1
You really are a drama queen sometimes Nick. Medicate.
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Post by mids on Aug 16, 2015 17:45:48 GMT 1
Not suggesting it is definitely the case and certainly not condoning it, but maybe the attitude of many fans (including abusing Hoyle and his family) has pushed him over the edge and they are no longer giving pure footballing matters the same priority they were previously. Seems we're in a viscious circle and the sooner this window shuts the better. There was always a danger it would happen. The animosity shown towards the previous chairman (printing if personal contact details etc) went without mention from the new regime who later acknowledged 'fan pressure' helped their negotiations. Difficult to the cry foul if the same protagonists turn that attention to a new target when they see the same lack of input to the club. What a load of piffle. Ken made his bed, he laid in it, he got the money he wanted. I'm certain, having spoken to him, that he wasn't in the least bit bothered.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 16, 2015 17:58:50 GMT 1
Murphy is good. Distribution much better than Smithies so maybe it will give us a higher tempo in matches Will that make up for him not being fit to lace Smithies boots at the job he's paid for i.e. stopping goals ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Are you purposely not mentioning past goals that Smithies should've saved or have you genuinely forgot?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 16, 2015 18:05:24 GMT 1
It's like you go out of your way to post shite. Deano MUST BE selling up. Bollocks. Totally asset stripping. Bollocks. You say that but if it's Bollox explain why we are selling our best players like Coady and Alex then ?
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 16, 2015 18:08:50 GMT 1
Will that make up for him not being fit to lace Smithies boots at the job he's paid for i.e. stopping goals ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Are you purposely not mentioning past goals that Smithies should've saved or have you genuinely forgot? Am I to forget Murphy being beaten from 35 yards on Tuesday, 50 odd yards by Marcus D's lad in the play offs, gifting the yids the winner last season. Alex has his faults but their miniscule compared to Murphy Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by mightyterrier on Aug 16, 2015 18:09:51 GMT 1
It's like you go out of your way to post shite. Deano MUST BE selling up. Bollocks. Totally asset stripping. Bollocks. You say that but if it's Bollox explain why we are selling our best players like Coady and Alex then ? Are these the same 'best players' that you have laid into and criticised many times on this forum?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 16, 2015 18:12:53 GMT 1
You say that but if it's Bollox explain why we are selling our best players like Coady and Alex then ? Are these the same 'best players' that you have laid into and criticised many times on this forum? Not the point, I always rated Coady. I will have criticised Smithies as he seemed to flap at crosses.
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Post by mightyterrier on Aug 16, 2015 18:16:09 GMT 1
Are these the same 'best players' that you have laid into and criticised many times on this forum? Not the point, I always rated Coady. I will have criticised Smithies as he seemed to flap at crosses. It's very much the point mate, you have had major pops at both of em, yet cry foul and rate them out best layers when they are sold. You can't have it all ways buddy
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Post by shawsie on Aug 16, 2015 18:16:11 GMT 1
Are these the same 'best players' that you have laid into and criticised many times on this forum? Not the point, I always rated Coady. I will have criticised Smithies as he seemed to flap at crosses. Nick.........I'm surprised john Cleese hasn't stated the ministry of silly walks was based on you ......knee jerk.....knee jerk.....knee jerk!
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Post by wtd on Aug 16, 2015 18:23:52 GMT 1
Alex Smithies has never had it so good on DATM!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 18:32:45 GMT 1
It's like you go out of your way to post shite. Deano MUST BE selling up. Bollocks. Totally asset stripping. Bollocks. You say that but if it's Bollox explain why we are selling our best players like Coady and Alex then ? Because its our *documented* strategy to sell players for a profit in order to contribute to the ongoing viability of the club. Not sure why the penny still isn't dropping for some. We're told on a very regular basis how difficult it is to compete in this two tier (those who have had parachute payments, those who haven't) Championship, and that we have to trade our way to ongoing sustainability at this level. It was the same when we sold Pilkington, Rhodes and Peltier and it'll be the same whilst we remain in this league, until the day we aren't, upwards or downwards.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 18:45:42 GMT 1
Alex Smithies has never had it so good on DATM! That tickled me, how many have offered to "drive him there" over the years?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 16, 2015 18:47:59 GMT 1
You say that but if it's Bollox explain why we are selling our best players like Coady and Alex then ? Because its our *documented* strategy to sell players for a profit in order to contribute to the ongoing viability of the club. Not sure why the penny still isn't dropping for some. We're told on a very regular basis how difficult it is to compete in this two tier (those who have had parachute payments, those who haven't) Championship, and that we have to trade our way to ongoing sustainability at this level. It was the same when we sold Pilkington, Rhodes and Peltier and it'll be the same whilst we remain in this league, until the day we aren't, upwards or downwards. I don't agree it's that simple though fella, it's the whole atmosphere of this club IMO.
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Post by htfc1908 on Aug 16, 2015 18:49:05 GMT 1
Alex Smithies has never had it so good on DATM! Very true, previously he was garbage and needed dropping, rumours surface of him being sold and its all outrage
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 18:50:56 GMT 1
Because its our *documented* strategy to sell players for a profit in order to contribute to the ongoing viability of the club. Not sure why the penny still isn't dropping for some. We're told on a very regular basis how difficult it is to compete in this two tier (those who have had parachute payments, those who haven't) Championship, and that we have to trade our way to ongoing sustainability at this level. It was the same when we sold Pilkington, Rhodes and Peltier and it'll be the same whilst we remain in this league, until the day we aren't, upwards or downwards. I don't agree it's that simple though fella, it's the whole atmosphere of this club IMO. Yes it IS that simple. What bit of, "this club loses a lot of money and has to release players for a profit when offers come in, in order to continue to exist", doesn't make sense?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 16, 2015 18:52:56 GMT 1
I don't agree it's that simple though fella, it's the whole atmosphere of this club IMO. Yes it IS that simple. What bit of, "this club loses a lot of money and has to release players for a profit when offers come in, in order to continue to exist", doesn't make sense? You are on the verge of a "debate" with Nick. Everybody will be the loser!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 16, 2015 18:57:20 GMT 1
How often in life we take things and people for granted until we lose them. I'd love Alex to stay - a first team player with the club in his heart. Disagree for once Pete. If he had the club and the game in his heart then he would have been gone years ago. In my opinion he should be playing in the Prem now, on the fringes of England squads. Frustrates the shit out of me. He should have made the club a pretty penny years ago rather than seeming to settle and not train on. When he signed that contract at 17/18 to me for some reason he just stagnated. Got his 70k motor and didn't make of himself what he could. I find that a strange argument! If he has the club and the local area in his heart, why would he want to move? What's wrong with being content?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 18:57:52 GMT 1
You really are a drama queen sometimes Nick. Medicate. And yet he's right in this case.
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Post by Stewpot on Aug 16, 2015 19:00:41 GMT 1
Hhhm, looks like the 2 seasons I watched Town in the top league in the 70's is as good as it gets in my lifetime. Better luck to you young un's, but don't count on it. Supporting a generally unsuccessful football club is something you do, never have too many high expectations, you will end up disappointed trust me. Always have a plan B !!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 16, 2015 19:11:15 GMT 1
You really are a drama queen sometimes Nick. Medicate. And yet he's right in this case. Cheers , I don't want it to be true but it really seems so.
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Post by detox on Aug 16, 2015 19:12:57 GMT 1
tbh,Smithies was always prone to flaps and errors...indecisiveness, staying on his line etc...in between he made some brilliant saves as well, but I'd have him down as definately inconsistent. If we got £1m+ for him then given the predeclared strategy of the club to sell players to prop up our finances, this isn't a bad deal. The sale of Coady perhaps wasn't such a good idea, and watching him play for Wolves today confirmed that. But, and to quote Deano, we are where we are... we move on...because we have to...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 16, 2015 19:22:29 GMT 1
tbh,Smithies was always prone to flaps and errors...indecisiveness, staying on his line etc...in between he made some brilliant saves as well, but I'd have him down as definately inconsistent. If we got £1m+ for him then given the predeclared strategy of the club to sell players to prop up our finances, this isn't a bad deal. The sale of Coady perhaps wasn't such a good idea, and watching him play for Wolves today confirmed that. But, and to quote Deano, we are where we are... we move on...because we have to... Until the fellow poster explained how Town operate re having to sell the best players to be able to survive I honestly admit I didn't get that.
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Post by upthetown on Aug 16, 2015 19:26:36 GMT 1
It's like you go out of your way to post shite. Deano MUST BE selling up. Bollocks. Totally asset stripping. Bollocks. You say that but if it's Bollox explain why we are selling our best players like Coady and Alex then ? Because we have received good offers that exceed their current valuations, and we are a club that loses around £5m per season. Coupled with the fact both teams are ones likely to be pushing for promotion, and offering larger salaries, and, well, I'm sure you can see the reasons. Losing Coady was a big blow. Smithies I don't think will be a big deal, personally. But selling up? Asset stripping. Not relevant or related at all.
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Post by mids on Aug 16, 2015 19:36:38 GMT 1
You really are a drama queen sometimes Nick. Medicate. And yet he's right in this case. Which of Nick's four statements is correct? None yet. Three never.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 16, 2015 19:44:25 GMT 1
The sale of Coady perhaps wasn't such a good idea. Not so sure we had much say in that one TBH. You can't keep players against their will these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 19:49:11 GMT 1
And yet he's right in this case. Which of Nick's four statements is correct? None yet. Three never. Bid accepted - Well we don't know for sure yet but the writing appears to be on the wall Deano must be selling up. - His actions certainly point towards this. At the very least there's been a distancing Bit of a dirty disgrace at present time Town - Not how I'd phrase it but fan apathy is currently at an all time low totally asset stripping. - The lack of investment in the past 12 months has been worrying. The bit I struggle with is why the club would "asset strip" ahead of selling. I would have thought that the value of the squad would have a large impact on valuation, moreso than standard EBITDA multiples that you get in most acquisitions. Either Clibbins really has no idea how football works, or he's just going for a very unintelligent quick-win. Regardless, when this all shakes down, everyone is going to ended up the poorer. To state that things will "never" happen is the upmost of naivety.
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