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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 2, 2015 13:23:41 GMT 1
Sell players for me because I won't watch town very often at £30 plus a game. But it's £30 plus a game and we are selling are players so it's not exactly selling it either way for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:26:19 GMT 1
Just bought 2 tickets for an early season Basketball game in Toronto - $240 per ticket. I'm off to the baseball tonight - $130 per ticket. I promise you, for watching professional sports 30 UK pounds is very very cheap - and you'll back in a few years and remember how cheap it was. If attendances aren't going up - the club has a choice, either put up prices even more which seems would cause a mass revolt - or sell players like Smithies and Butterfield. Cant have it both ways.
What a dreadful comparison, How big and wealthy is Toronto ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:32:30 GMT 1
£30 Me AND the wife can go out for the evening and have a nice meal for that. What's more we're seated comfortably in a nice warm and dry environment. On the other hand I can go and sit on a cold hard seat with rain being blown into my face while watching overpaid footballers kicking a ball about. For the life inside me I can't think why I'd do the latter. Go and enjoy your meal then. If you don't like watching Town or don't think it is good value, fair enough, but the comparison you are making between (with a little research) a pretty much guaranteed entertainment and the uncertainty of a sporting event (which is actually the whole point) is pretty ludicrous. And if it is so bad being a Town supporter I can't, for the life inside me, think why you would want to frequent a message board dedicated to being one. (You can watch Town for much less than £30 per game, by the way).
I think he hits the nail on the head for many potential fans, £30 for a meal for two or chip in another 50p to watch Town.
A 2nd tier football match is worth no more than £15 in my eyes.
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2015 13:33:53 GMT 1
Clibbens idea was to get fans to buy a ticket midweek by slapping on a matchday tax of £3..his logic was that it wouldn't then matter if they then changed their mind by the time Saturday came and decided to go shopping instead.... That isn't true at all. Town can only charge away fans, the same price as they charge the home fans in a similar stand on the day of the game. Town gave the home fans a way of getting their ticket cheaper by reducing the price if they buy their ticket before match day. It's a lame arguement...we have match categories which push up the prices when a load of away fans are expected, so we can exploit them (and us). Half our home games have less than 1,000 away fans anyway, so we inconvenience 4,000 casual Town fans into having to buy midweek so we can fleece the away fans another £3.00 ?? Yeah, right. So much for 'twenties plenty' !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:35:27 GMT 1
Problem is even if it was £20 on the gate it wouldn't make that much difference.
I do believe we would have had a couple of thousand more on the gate for at least the first game of the season if it had been £20.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Sept 2, 2015 13:42:34 GMT 1
That isn't true at all. Town can only charge away fans, the same price as they charge the home fans in a similar stand on the day of the game. Town gave the home fans a way of getting their ticket cheaper by reducing the price if they buy their ticket before match day. It's a lame arguement...we have match categories which push up the prices when a load of away fans are expected, so we can exploit them (and us). Half our home games have less than 1,000 away fans anyway, so we inconvenience 4,000 casual Town fans into having to buy midweek so we can fleece the away fans another £3.00 ?? Yeah, right. So much for 'twenties plenty' ! Not really an inconvenience to print off your own ticket. Even in my mid fifties I can manage that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:53:44 GMT 1
I don't know of a pub that has a printer, And is that not one of the traditional places you may find potential pay on the dayers ?
" where yoff, match ? ", "aye", " al come down wi yers "
" well its £30 fifty pee and you cant sit next to us "
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 2, 2015 14:49:10 GMT 1
Brilliant captain carman, so many town fans that are pay on the dayers choose to watch town ON THE DAY , the club have completely missed the plot on this price strategy and those that defend it aren,t the fans that have chosen to stick two fingers up to coming down to watch town. The point is you piss off your pay on the day fans, your pay on the day fans just don't bother watching town anymore, sort it out town or you will lose big fans now and for years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 15:24:28 GMT 1
Let's face a simple fact here. Football IS expensive. No point moaning or complaining about it. If you don't fancy paying it, don't bother going, but don't complain. There ARE cheaper clubs than Town, but I'm guessing - not actually checked this - that they are ALL in leagues below us. So if you want to pay small amounts to watch footy, go and watch L1, L2 and below. Lots of people happy to spend cash on jugs full of ale and fags on a match day, and have the latest iPhone technology etc. but unwilling to spend the necessary to watch Town. Not saying we CAN all afford it, but the point I'm making is don't blame the club all the time; they do the best they can to encourage people to attend but ultimately they have to break even/turn a profit.
PS Let's not forget that the away fans numbers have been utter shite this year. Blackburn Rovers brought about only 1000, one of our nearest neighbours and a team that actually topped the pile in the last twenty years!
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 2, 2015 15:45:38 GMT 1
Let's not moan, your moaning at people moaning.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 2, 2015 15:48:06 GMT 1
Anyway I'm not going to not moan just because you say so. If I've got something to moan about I'm going to moan. Lol so there.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 2, 2015 15:53:13 GMT 1
Ask yourself why the away fans are dropping. People outside of the premiership can't afford football because prices are getting out of hand. So unless it's a big club that has a huge fan base the attendances will keep dropping which probably means your tickets will keep getting more expensive. As for not moaning it's a forum to talk about the club, if people believe they are being out priced surely that is a subject which is worth moaning about.
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Post by deepc on Sept 2, 2015 15:56:10 GMT 1
Let's face a simple fact here. Football IS expensive. No point moaning or complaining about it. If you don't fancy paying it, don't bother going, but don't complain. There ARE cheaper clubs than Town, but I'm guessing - not actually checked this - that they are ALL in leagues below us. So if you want to pay small amounts to watch footy, go and watch L1, L2 and below. Lots of people happy to spend cash on jugs full of ale and fags on a match day, and have the latest iPhone technology etc. but unwilling to spend the necessary to watch Town. Not saying we CAN all afford it, but the point I'm making is don't blame the club all the time; they do the best they can to encourage people to attend but ultimately they have to break even/turn a profit. PS Let's not forget that the away fans numbers have been utter shite this year. Blackburn Rovers brought about only 1000, one of our nearest neighbours and a team that actually topped the pile in the last twenty years!
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Post by deepc on Sept 2, 2015 16:01:16 GMT 1
Not the clubs fault !!
I have heard it all now.
Whose fault is it then ?
The fans who will not pay ?
With an attitude like that there is no wonder the clubs think that they could get away with the ludicrous prices they are currently charging.
Fans will stand for wood chopping on their heads at times
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 2, 2015 16:02:49 GMT 1
Clibbens idea was to get fans to buy a ticket midweek by slapping on a matchday tax of £3..his logic was that it wouldn't then matter if they then changed their mind by the time Saturday came and decided to go shopping instead.... That isn't true at all. Town can only charge away fans, the same price as they charge the home fans in a similar stand on the day of the game. Town gave the home fans a way of getting their ticket cheaper by reducing the price if they buy their ticket before match day.Just to be clear on this Berty as one who now has to buy his ticket in advance, albeit with a Take 10 card, the club has not reduced prices if you buy in advance, as they are dearer than last season if you bought in advance. What they have done is introduced a £3 levy if you pay on the day. This might be a way of ripping off the away fans but surely they could come up with a scheme where the home fans didn't suffer as a consequence. For example they could hand out vouchers if you paid on the day and when you've collected a certain number they could maybe give you a free ticket or a reduced one.
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Post by 1876tom on Sept 2, 2015 16:15:18 GMT 1
As one who has stopped going, the big problem is that it is very easy to find something else you enjoy doing on a Saturday afternoon for less than £30.00.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 16:15:46 GMT 1
Here's my issue.
Fans want the club to spend even more money than they have available but won't show up to support the club. I get that is is not cheap anymore but where is the money supposed to come from if the fans do not support the club in greater numbers? I know a lot of people back in the UK that have bad mouthed Town for decades. They will never go to a game.
It is scary to me as a town fan because I don't really see how we can compete financially in this division. It would take a much richer guy than Hoyle to make us competitive, or a large slice of luck, and that is what is wrong with football.
I live 4000 miles away and unfortunately won't be at a live game anytime soon but I still purchase merchandise to show my support. I know it's a drop in the bucket but at least it's my drop.
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2015 16:24:11 GMT 1
It's a lame arguement...we have match categories which push up the prices when a load of away fans are expected, so we can exploit them (and us). Half our home games have less than 1,000 away fans anyway, so we inconvenience 4,000 casual Town fans into having to buy midweek so we can fleece the away fans another £3.00 ?? Yeah, right. So much for 'twenties plenty' ! Not really an inconvenience to print off your own ticket. Even in my mid fifties I can manage that. Well that depends if you're on the database...or even know about it...or in fact have a computer, with a printer...one with paper in it....and cartridges that haven't run out of ink..... I'd bet most casual fans haven't a clue about half the stuff...that's why they turn up and cough up the extra £3.00 ...and how many don't decide until Saturday morning if they are going or not... It's not about your age, it's how in tune you are with the club and it's myriad of pricing options....
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2015 16:26:07 GMT 1
Here's my issue. Fans want the club to spend even more money than they have available but won't show up to support the club. I get that is is not cheap anymore but where is the money supposed to come from if the fans do not support the club in greater numbers? I know a lot of people back in the UK that have bad mouthed Town for decades. They will never go to a game. It is scary to me as a town fan because I don't really see how we can compete financially in this division. It would take a much richer guy than Hoyle to make us competitive, or a large slice of luck, and that is what is wrong with football. I live 4000 miles away and unfortunately won't be at a live game anytime soon but I still purchase merchandise to show my support. I know it's a drop in the bucket but at least it's my drop. hang on....we've got a windfall transfer kitty of around £7m at the moment..........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 16:28:00 GMT 1
What "lack of fans"?
We get the crowd through the door pretty much what any reasonable person would expect, give or take a couple of thousand, don't we??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 0:09:17 GMT 1
Here's my issue. Fans want the club to spend even more money than they have available but won't show up to support the club. I get that is is not cheap anymore but where is the money supposed to come from if the fans do not support the club in greater numbers? I know a lot of people back in the UK that have bad mouthed Town for decades. They will never go to a game. It is scary to me as a town fan because I don't really see how we can compete financially in this division. It would take a much richer guy than Hoyle to make us competitive, or a large slice of luck, and that is what is wrong with football. I live 4000 miles away and unfortunately won't be at a live game anytime soon but I still purchase merchandise to show my support. I know it's a drop in the bucket but at least it's my drop. hang on....we've got a windfall transfer kitty of around £7m at the moment.......... Yes but if you sign players on a three year contract you have to be able to pay them for the entire term not just the first year. The kind of wages we are being forced to pay soaks up a ton of cash over the contract period. I feel bad for fans, tickets are getting expensive. I feel bad for Hoyle because he has done his best, the club has progressed but even less people show up. I don't know what the answer is. Personally I am beginning to think there are simply too many pro clubs in England. Compare English footy to American Football and there is a huge difference. England is a similar size to Florida and there are I think 3 professional American Football teams (it's late I could have missed one) versus 92 English footy clubs. Makes me wonder.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 3, 2015 6:26:55 GMT 1
It's the greedy league. The TV money has inflated player wages beyond the ridiculous. Clubs play one season in the greedy league, are relegated with vast amounts of cash, removing any semblance of sporting competition from the league below. To try to compete with this, other teams have to pay higher wages to get players to sign, resulting in increases in gate prices that fans either cannot or will not pay. I truly fear for the future of football. Future fans will be no more as families are put off by the crazy cost of watching modern day English football.
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Post by townrwe on Sept 3, 2015 7:13:18 GMT 1
Shouldn't take cibbins and Co. To work out that success brings about larger crowds. www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/hudt.htmCrowds increase at historical moments, usually success. Ie promotion, but also note the change in stadium. It's also interesting to note the spike in attendance in the seasons prior to promotion when winning and good feelong is spread among supporters. The whole ethos at town is the wrong way around. They don't seem to get their advertising campaign was the wrong way around. It should have been.... We buy the players and you buy the tickets.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 3, 2015 7:45:51 GMT 1
What "lack of fans"? We get the crowd through the door pretty much what any reasonable person would expect, give or take a couple of thousand, don't we?? Town have always had about ten k fan base as long as I've gone. Historically with lack of transport they did get 20 to 30 k in the very old days. I watched us in mid 70,s In crowds of 3 to 7 k I would say. We are a small club IMO, people don't get it. And now...... What the hell will motivate floating fans to watch us ? Selling all players
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 3, 2015 7:52:45 GMT 1
What "lack of fans"? We get the crowd through the door pretty much what any reasonable person would expect, give or take a couple of thousand, don't we?? Town have always had about ten k fan base as long as I've gone. Historically with lack of transport they did get 20 to 30 k in the very old days. I watched us in mid 70,s In crowds of 3 to 7 k I would say. We are a small club IMO, people don't get it. And now...... What the hell will motivate floating fans to watch us ? Selling all players We could keep the better players by paying them 3 or 4 times as much to match Derby, Wolves, Blackburn etc. Reckon that will achieve 20,000+ gates every week?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 3, 2015 7:55:52 GMT 1
Town have always had about ten k fan base as long as I've gone. Historically with lack of transport they did get 20 to 30 k in the very old days. I watched us in mid 70,s In crowds of 3 to 7 k I would say. We are a small club IMO, people don't get it. And now...... What the hell will motivate floating fans to watch us ? Selling all players We could keep the better players by paying them 3 or 4 times as much to match Derby, Wolves, Blackburn etc. Reckon that will achieve 20,000+ gates every week? No I know it won't, just saying re how our crowds always have been. Just hope the back room staff have some ideas how to entertain us more and get a goal scorer in.
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Post by benhomly on Sept 3, 2015 8:00:33 GMT 1
hang on....we've got a windfall transfer kitty of around £7m at the moment.......... Yes but if you sign players on a three year contract you have to be able to pay them for the entire term not just the first year. The kind of wages we are being forced to pay soaks up a ton of cash over the contract period. I feel bad for fans, tickets are getting expensive. I feel bad for Hoyle because he has done his best, the club has progressed but even less people show up. I don't know what the answer is. Personally I am beginning to think there are simply too many pro clubs in England. Compare English footy to American Football and there is a huge difference. England is a similar size to Florida and there are I think 3 professional American Football teams (it's late I could have missed one) versus 92 English footy clubs. Makes me wonder.
That's the answer - just have 3 teams in England who play each other 20 times a season Maybe you have a point - it's time for the top 4 in England to go off and form a European Super League with France, Germany, Spain etc, take all the money with them and leave the rest of us to have a competitive league in this country.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 3, 2015 8:11:34 GMT 1
Yes but if you sign players on a three year contract you have to be able to pay them for the entire term not just the first year. The kind of wages we are being forced to pay soaks up a ton of cash over the contract period. I feel bad for fans, tickets are getting expensive. I feel bad for Hoyle because he has done his best, the club has progressed but even less people show up. I don't know what the answer is. Personally I am beginning to think there are simply too many pro clubs in England. Compare English footy to American Football and there is a huge difference. England is a similar size to Florida and there are I think 3 professional American Football teams (it's late I could have missed one) versus 92 English footy clubs. Makes me wonder.
That's the answer - just have 3 teams in England who play each other 20 times a season Maybe you have a point - it's time for the top 4 in England to go off and form a European Super League with France, Germany, Spain etc, take all the money with them and leave the rest of us to have a competitive league in this country. Davva failed to note that Florida has about a third of the population of England and half of it is covered in a swamp.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 3, 2015 8:40:15 GMT 1
Yes but if you sign players on a three year contract you have to be able to pay them for the entire term not just the first year. The kind of wages we are being forced to pay soaks up a ton of cash over the contract period. I feel bad for fans, tickets are getting expensive. I feel bad for Hoyle because he has done his best, the club has progressed but even less people show up. I don't know what the answer is. Personally I am beginning to think there are simply too many pro clubs in England. Compare English footy to American Football and there is a huge difference. England is a similar size to Florida and there are I think 3 professional American Football teams (it's late I could have missed one) versus 92 English footy clubs. Makes me wonder.
That's the answer - just have 3 teams in England who play each other 20 times a season Maybe you have a point - it's time for the top 4 in England to go off and form a European Super League with France, Germany, Spain etc, take all the money with them and leave the rest of us to have a competitive league in this country. When the idea of a European Super League was floated 10-15 years ago I was dead against it - but I'm all for it now. The Premier League has developed into a European/World league now anyway - Scudamore cares more about attracting income and fans from all over the globe than he does about the English football supporter. If the top 4 take their £100m, £200Kpw superstars off to a super league which gets all the viewers from the Asian & ROTW markets then the remaining clubs can refocus back on the English football supporter and we may just start seeing young English talent appearing our top flight again - oh, and clubs like Town might have a chance of getting in it.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 3, 2015 9:53:30 GMT 1
We have no chance of competing in the transfer market if Gary Hooper costs £32000pw and a loan fee of £0.5mill per season.The games gone mad.
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