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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 1, 2015 22:09:41 GMT 1
Just a couple of questions....was Butterfield desperate to leave, this is news to me, he said in the local rag he wasn't desperate to leave and who do we sell when we've run out of players to sell and we're left with crap?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2015 22:10:06 GMT 1
Season ticket holder and supporter since the 1970's. People mention that Hoyle is so wonderful and that he is the best chairman we ever had etc etc. It's all about opinions and some on here hand out abuse if an opinion differs from theirs. A very mature outlook to have. I read the posts on this site twice a day every day but rarely post myself, the fact that I am writing this is testament to how strongly I feel about recent (last few seasons) events at the club. IMO Dean Hoyle and his team have created a cold and clinical atmosphere at the club where we have the fact that we are unable to compete with most Championship teams rammed down our throats on a daily basis.. Any reasonably intelligent person is aware of this without the constant reminders. Our best players are sold for profit when they have not been at the club long enough to contribute to any reasonable success. We have needed a frontline striker ever since it became apparent that the maligned James Vaughan would not be able to contribute every week. This problem still remains unanswered, only briefly solved by the brief loan period of Grant Holt who showed in his few games for us just what it would be like to support a club run with the priority of the fans at heart. Be honest, when was the last time any of you ever truly felt excited about going to the match. Hoyle may have invested his money, but I don't feel turning the club into what it has now become is anything to be proud of. You make some valid points, but that last bit- how can you compare the club he took over..no assets, lousy training facilites, no players of any value, middling League 1 fayre... to the club we have now and think he's done nothing to be proud of?? The club he's 'turned us into' is infinitely better than the club he took over.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 1, 2015 22:11:43 GMT 1
Quality loans improve performances and results. Holt was the perfect example of that. Players develop quicker in winning teams. 2 short term high quality loans would turn the season around and aid the development of Bunn, Dempsey et al.
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Post by mickydombats on Sept 1, 2015 22:14:48 GMT 1
So Dean played at being Chairman cocked up every manager and his ego trip has ended in tears.Yes he has left a legacy but he knows and we know the game is up.Fair enough but blaming the fans is throwing your toys out of the pram.No one forced Dean to spend his money on Town but if he has had enough ok but dont flog the supporters and take us down.
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Post by mightyterrier on Sept 1, 2015 22:16:01 GMT 1
Far too many over reactions on this thread and those calling for Dean to walk need to give their heads a good shake. How do we know how Huws, Dempsey and Patterson will perform until we have seen them play together. We look solid in defence barring Smith who can be replaced by Whitehead, whilst I'm not over the moon about this transfer window I hardly think it's the end of the world like many on here seem to think and let's just be patient and see how we go, I am sure we will add a striking option soon.
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Sept 1, 2015 22:16:32 GMT 1
I must admit to being rather 'down' today. Having said that Mr. Hoyle has put in close to £40million of his own money. No one of us could really complain if he chose to use the transfer money to pay himself back. I doubt he will do this.
I do think that Powell is far too negative. I can understand that he wants to stop Town leaking goals and in this he has had some success. This is, however, not much good if we cannot score goals ourselves as the five results so far have shown very clearly.
I do not know the answer and I guess all we can do is wait and see what transpires over the next couple of months. I admit that this is frustrating. I am sure that Mr. Hoyle is well aware of the problems.
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 1, 2015 22:20:40 GMT 1
But arent we going to be further off now another quality player has left and not been directly replaced. Im with most of what you say capn.....but the recruitment and incoming transfer policy is baffling me right now......the club may be spot on and i genuinely hope ill need a large slice of humble pie, but im not confident!!! Quite possibly mate, but I think this butterfiedl move is a little different in that we received a fantastic offer for a player who was desperate to leave. Ok the club could have said to JB, no youre staying but in truth all your achieving then is saddling yourself wih an unmotivated player who's value is dropping. Smithies and Coady were more about cutting our cloth in a planned way. that said theyve known for a good while that there was a chance Derby ( or someone else) might reach their 'will sell' valuation, so theyve had plenty of time to line up a replacement. Maybe hes already here in Huws? Don't know enough about the player. Id be very surprised if we don't see another couple of loans before we play again- a striker and a centre back. But Loans aren't going to have a sell on value, so they hardly fit our strategy of buy cheap and sell expensive. Surely loans get you a 'foot in the door' with a player so to speak? They enable us to see whether the player fits and the player to settle. I'm guessing but I bet they generally result in cheaper sale fees too, especially if when the phrase 'view to a permanent deal' is used this actually means something contractually. So in reality they perfectly fit our strategy, as the price isn't influenced by the feeding frenzy of transfer deadline day.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 1, 2015 22:23:11 GMT 1
Far too many over reactions on this thread and those calling for Dean to walk need to give their heads a good shake. How do we know how Huws, Dempsey and Patterson will perform until we have seen them play together. We look solid in defence barring Smith who can be replaced by Whitehead, whilst I'm not over the moon about this transfer window I hardly think it's the end of the world like many on here seem to think and let's just be patient and see how we go, I am sure we will add a striking option soon. I'm starting to get to the point where if Dean eft I'm struggling to see what difference it would make to be honest. We hated Davy because of the lack of investment in the team... something is strikingly similar here
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Post by harris on Sept 1, 2015 22:23:19 GMT 1
Maybe Dean hasn't splashed the cash as loans would be a better option in case CP gets the chop? Therefore the potential new manager isn't left with players on 3/4 year contracts? Very good point
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Post by mightyterrier on Sept 1, 2015 22:28:25 GMT 1
Far too many over reactions on this thread and those calling for Dean to walk need to give their heads a good shake. How do we know how Huws, Dempsey and Patterson will perform until we have seen them play together. We look solid in defence barring Smith who can be replaced by Whitehead, whilst I'm not over the moon about this transfer window I hardly think it's the end of the world like many on here seem to think and let's just be patient and see how we go, I am sure we will add a striking option soon. I'm starting to get to the point where if Dean eft I'm struggling to see what difference it would make to be honest. We hated Davy because of the lack of investment in the team... something is strikingly similar here Come on mate, as a town fan, put your disappointment to one side for the evening and think rationally. We have invested regularly and neither of us really know how Huws (who has a classy pedigree) and Patterson (who has ripped us a new one in the past) will perform. We both remember the days when we were lucky to get a freebie and got excited if anyone signed. We may just be ok and whatever happens we are HTFC!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:32:47 GMT 1
Yeah!! Because Hoyle couldn't run a pissup in a brewery whereas you are a self made multi millionaire!! Hang on...... wooah there . you go and find a post of me critising dean hoyle,s ability to run a business. I am asking if its true about the maximum loan players in a match day squad is 5, if that,s the case we are not bringing in many more players are we ?. 52.2.1 A maximum of 5 loan Players (Standard, International, Emergency or Youth) can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of The League. AND 53.2.5 A Loaning Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 registered on a Standard Loan during any Season. Read more at www.football-league.co.uk/global/section6.aspx#Zx3j6QzAfXYSj5yC.99
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 1, 2015 22:45:28 GMT 1
Maybe Dean hasn't splashed the cash as loans would be a better option in case CP gets the chop? Therefore the potential new manager isn't left with players on 3/4 year contracts? You may have a point there. The club has been guilty in the past of giving some very mediocre players long contracts and maybe they've decided to try before they buy. I don't have a problem with that except for the fact we failed to sign (loan or permanent) in the areas where we needed it most (defence and as striker).
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Post by thomo on Sept 1, 2015 22:47:09 GMT 1
wooah there . you go and find a post of me critising dean hoyle,s ability to run a business. I am asking if its true about the maximum loan players in a match day squad is 5, if that,s the case we are not bringing in many more players are we ?. 52.2.1 A maximum of 5 loan Players (Standard, International, Emergency or Youth) can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of The League. AND 53.2.5 A Loaning Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 registered on a Standard Loan during any Season. Read more at www.football-league.co.uk/global/section6.aspx#Zx3j6QzAfXYSj5yC.99Still room for two more in the match day squad? Pacey dominant Centre back and 'prolific at this level' striker for Cardiff and we might have to hope that smith doesnt give away too many more sloppy goals between now and January and we have to hope Patterson is instantly as good as butterfield. Still don't think it bodes well having 5 of your first 11 being loan players but that's the crazy predicament the board have put us in. Loans can be made with an agreement already in place for the deal to become permanent as soon as the jan transfer window opens - I think we really need to be doing these sorts of deals now so the two coming in know they are here for the long term and we can maintain some sort of first team stability into next season.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 1, 2015 22:48:06 GMT 1
So Dean played at being Chairman cocked up every manager and his ego trip has ended in tears.Yes he has left a legacy but he knows and we know the game is up.Fair enough but blaming the fans is throwing your toys out of the pram.No one forced Dean to spend his money on Town but if he has had enough ok but dont flog the supporters and take us down. Welcome back micky, we've missed your fair, balanced posts.
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Post by dirtysteve on Sept 1, 2015 23:09:08 GMT 1
I'm a serving soldier, a loyal Town fan and would rather spend another 6 months on Op Tour than see Town lose on a Saturday afternoon. I love my club and love the Town. Over the last 18 years I've not seen Town play at home or away very much, due to reasons that you could probably figure out for yourself. I read all the posts on here when I can and I fully understand everyone's own opinions, concerns and gripes. Like most I am slightly disappointed with the quality that has left our beloved club, and disappointed with the start with have made to the season. Let's face it, we all want town to win the league and be trading blows with the big boys. I personally think the problems we are encountering lie solely at the feet of CP. He seems to have a negative approach to games. If you want to get people through the turnstiles and make them pay their hard earned coin, then you should be playing attractive, eye pleasing, attacking football, especially at home, and putting the opposition on the back foot. The lack of incoming signings and players arriving on loan seems to point to the fact that DH may be thinking of replacing CP. For me, he simply isn't cutting it. Took the club a long time last season to appoint him after MR walked, a decision I think they now regret. The only way now is up, so heads up!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 23:17:26 GMT 1
So Dean played at being Chairman cocked up every manager and his ego trip has ended in tears.Yes he has left a legacy but he knows and we know the game is up.Fair enough but blaming the fans is throwing your toys out of the pram.No one forced Dean to spend his money on Town but if he has had enough ok but dont flog the supporters and take us down. It's some fans that are throwing toys, and some fans that demanded DH spent more money today. The overblown egos are in those fans heads. Get a life, show a little understanding & patience, and support the team!
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Post by 5kippy on Sept 1, 2015 23:20:48 GMT 1
Season ticket holder and supporter since the 1970's. People mention that Hoyle is so wonderful and that he is the best chairman we ever had etc etc. It's all about opinions and some on here hand out abuse if an opinion differs from theirs. A very mature outlook to have. I read the posts on this site twice a day every day but rarely post myself, the fact that I am writing this is testament to how strongly I feel about recent (last few seasons) events at the club. IMO Dean Hoyle and his team have created a cold and clinical atmosphere at the club where we have the fact that we are unable to compete with most Championship teams rammed down our throats on a daily basis.. Any reasonably intelligent person is aware of this without the constant reminders. Our best players are sold for profit when they have not been at the club long enough to contribute to any reasonable success. We have needed a frontline striker ever since it became apparent that the maligned James Vaughan would not be able to contribute every week. This problem still remains unanswered, only briefly solved by the brief loan period of Grant Holt who showed in his few games for us just what it would be like to support a club run with the priority of the fans at heart. Be honest, when was the last time any of you ever truly felt excited about going to the match.Hoyle may have invested his money, but I don't feel turning the club into what it has now become is anything to be proud of. Last Saturday (and every match this season, so far). And, to be fair, the "Cowshed" is making it even more enjoyable. UTT TTID
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 1, 2015 23:31:43 GMT 1
Quality loans improve performances and results. Holt was the perfect example of that. Players develop quicker in winning teams. 2 short term high quality loans would turn the season around and aid the development of Bunn, Dempsey et al. Let's not forget the best season we had out of Vaughan was when he was in loan. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 23:32:29 GMT 1
52.2.1 A maximum of 5 loan Players (Standard, International, Emergency or Youth) can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of The League. AND 53.2.5 A Loaning Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 registered on a Standard Loan during any Season. Read more at www.football-league.co.uk/global/section6.aspx#Zx3j6QzAfXYSj5yC.99Still room for two more in the match day squad? Pacey dominant Centre back and 'prolific at this level' striker for Cardiff and we might have to hope that smith doesnt give away too many more sloppy goals between now and January and we have to hope Patterson is instantly as good as butterfield. Still don't think it bodes well having 5 of your first 11 being loan players but that's the crazy predicament the board have put us in. Loans can be made with an agreement already in place for the deal to become permanent as soon as the jan transfer window opens - I think we really need to be doing these sorts of deals now so the two coming in know they are here for the long term and we can maintain some sort of first team stability into next season.
Teams with lots of loan players dont seem to do too well imo.
As for the long term and first team stability, I wish.
I would imagine CP thought and was under the impression he had something to build upon after he presumed he had sorted the wheat from the chaff in January.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2015 23:33:15 GMT 1
Just a couple of questions....was Butterfield desperate to leave, this is news to me, he said in the local rag he wasn't desperate to leave and who do we sell when we've run out of players to sell and we're left with crap? So desperate that he continued to be head and shoulders above everyone else right up til we flogged him Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2015 23:59:53 GMT 1
Quite possibly mate, but I think this butterfiedl move is a little different in that we received a fantastic offer for a player who was desperate to leave. Ok the club could have said to JB, no youre staying but in truth all your achieving then is saddling yourself wih an unmotivated player who's value is dropping. Smithies and Coady were more about cutting our cloth in a planned way. that said theyve known for a good while that there was a chance Derby ( or someone else) might reach their 'will sell' valuation, so theyve had plenty of time to line up a replacement. Maybe hes already here in Huws? Don't know enough about the player. Id be very surprised if we don't see another couple of loans before we play again- a striker and a centre back. But Loans aren't going to have a sell on value, so they hardly fit our strategy of buy cheap and sell expensive. Surely loans get you a 'foot in the door' with a player so to speak? They enable us to see whether the player fits and the player to settle. I'm guessing but I bet they generally result in cheaper sale fees too, especially if when the phrase 'view to a permanent deal' is used this actually means something contractually. So in reality they perfectly fit our strategy, as the price isn't influenced by the feeding frenzy of transfer deadline day. Well perhaps. But if for example Butterfield had been a season long loan when we signed him last summer ( or Coady for that matter) , then when the time comes to sign them permanently we wouldn't get them because theyd cost too much. Ive never been sure what exactly 'with view to a permanent transfer' actually means. Obviously it means the club and player can take a look at each other, but Im not sure if theres anything binding about it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2015 0:03:51 GMT 1
Season ticket holder and supporter since the 1970's. People mention that Hoyle is so wonderful and that he is the best chairman we ever had etc etc. It's all about opinions and some on here hand out abuse if an opinion differs from theirs. A very mature outlook to have. I read the posts on this site twice a day every day but rarely post myself, the fact that I am writing this is testament to how strongly I feel about recent (last few seasons) events at the club. IMO Dean Hoyle and his team have created a cold and clinical atmosphere at the club where we have the fact that we are unable to compete with most Championship teams rammed down our throats on a daily basis.. Any reasonably intelligent person is aware of this without the constant reminders. Our best players are sold for profit when they have not been at the club long enough to contribute to any reasonable success. We have needed a frontline striker ever since it became apparent that the maligned James Vaughan would not be able to contribute every week. This problem still remains unanswered, only briefly solved by the brief loan period of Grant Holt who showed in his few games for us just what it would be like to support a club run with the priority of the fans at heart. Be honest, when was the last time any of you ever truly felt excited about going to the match.Hoyle may have invested his money, but I don't feel turning the club into what it has now become is anything to be proud of. Last Saturday (and every match this season, so far). And, to be fair, the "Cowshed" is making it even more enjoyable. UTT TTID I think the suggestion is we used to get excited more pre- Hoyle and his 'nothing to be proud of' regime. All those endless games against Walsall, Gillingham and Port Vale year after year fair had me pissing my kecks with excitement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 0:28:53 GMT 1
I think your missing the point, I don't have a problem with any of the players leaving. Neither does the lack of a big name. But theres zero logic to anything we've done in terms of bringing people in. Chronically short of quality strikers and defenders and Patterson signed.... Its a mess. On that i agree with you. Paterson seems a strange addition when on one hand we are already strong in wide areas and on the other we are so obviously weak in others, like centre back and striker. Im going to give a lot of DATM a miss for a few days because I know it will be full of melodramatic tantrums and a lot of woe-is-me nonsense. On the sale of butterfield- we've got an amazingly good price for a player who was insisting he leaves. Anyone who thinks £4m isn't a great price for JB is deluding themselves IMO. We bought him for £300k a year ago- hes pretty much the same player he was then. He plays in a side that gets slaughtered for its lack of creativity when he is the main player responsible for creativity. Yet £4m isn't enough??!! If I had to value him id have said £1.5m to £2m would be a cracking price and 5 times + what we paid for him. To get THIRTEEN times what we paid for him is incredible IMO. But its disappointing we haven't brought in a permanent replacement. Maybe we'll have to use more loans or wait until january. End of the day I think its best to look at things in a pragmatic and honest way. Don't sugar coat things and don't make things out to be worse than they are. The OP is right about it being about trust. Trust between the club and the fans. IMO the fans will get the club they deserve ( and when i say fans- I mean everyone in this area who would call HTFC their club if asked- the 35000 that went to Old trafford for example). Maybe the club they deserve is a League 1 club? If there's a fan who doesn't deserve a league 1 club though, its our owner because hes personally paid for better than that. Hes also paid for better support than the drop in attendances weve been having ( because we don't win all the time now) and the constant negativity and moaning that fills social media and phone-ins. Thats where the 'trust' has been lost if its anywhere. I don't think we're planning for league 1 at all. I think we're planning to be a club where the owner doesn't have to spunk out £0.5m a month. Month after month, year after year. I can't blame him for that and I don't see a queue of others wanting to take his place in the 'chucking your money away whilst league positions improve and crowds fall' game. Im just going to enjoy being in this division whilst it lasts. Enjoy games and support the club ( or be a happy-clapper as its now known). As I said, we'll probably get the club we deserve eventually and it will be back in the Third tier, with a team worth nothing and malvin Kamara on a free being our big summer signing coup. But we'll be one of the bigger clubs and win a bit more often so maybe more people will be happy and enjoy it more? I'll certainly still be going as frankly thats the level Ive been most accustomed to whilst Ive been a town fan. Top stuff Captain. Worth logging on for. £4.5M for butterfield Jees he's a useful player but that is desperate derby's pants down and no mistake. We'll be competitive now in the loan market & also able to pick up someone decent in January. Hughes meanwhile is a good player & set piece taker. Looking forward to next game. Lots of poor teams in this league. Look at Boltons squad if you don't believe me, they start Neil Danns every game.
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Sept 2, 2015 1:19:14 GMT 1
Weird how people cannot seem to spell players' names correctly.
It is Paterson (one T) and it is Huws (Welsh spelling) yet strangely most people have no problem with Hiwula. I freely admit I do not know whether the correct pronunciation is 'hiwula' or 'hula'. I have read that he pronounces it 'hula' yet Oggy says 'hiwula'. Which is correct?
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 2, 2015 2:28:16 GMT 1
To be fair, with one exception we are a league 1 standard Club.
Dean knows this and this close season has hammered it home:
League 1 mentality League 1 crowds League 1 ambition League 1 in transfer market League 1 Manager League 1 negative football League 1 Budget (by today's standards) League 1 future
My only exception is, I believe we have in the main a Championship squad of football Players who deserve so much better.
The ones we have sold?, not the problem. The problem we have now is lifting the ones that are left and them realising that Huddersfield Town was / is the right choice.
I bet Dempsey wishes he could turn back the clock, I would be.
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Post by 5kippy on Sept 2, 2015 4:38:01 GMT 1
Last Saturday (and every match this season, so far). And, to be fair, the "Cowshed" is making it even more enjoyable. UTT TTID I think the suggestion is we used to get excited more pre- Hoyle and his 'nothing to be proud of' regime. All those endless games against Walsall, Gillingham and Port Vale year after year fair had me pissing my kecks with excitement. To be fair, Mr Slapper, I got exited then too. For me it's always been about the day out - good mates, good ale, good sing-song and hopefully a good match. (Maybe I'm just a "sad-case"). UTT
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 2, 2015 5:18:45 GMT 1
Think a lot of people are clutching at straws...
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 2, 2015 7:18:03 GMT 1
I'm a serving soldier, a loyal Town fan and would rather spend another 6 months on Op Tour than see Town lose on a Saturday afternoon. I love my club and love the Town. Over the last 18 years I've not seen Town play at home or away very much, due to reasons that you could probably figure out for yourself. I read all the posts on here when I can and I fully understand everyone's own opinions, concerns and gripes. Like most I am slightly disappointed with the quality that has left our beloved club, and disappointed with the start with have made to the season. Let's face it, we all want town to win the league and be trading blows with the big boys. I personally think the problems we are encountering lie solely at the feet of CP. He seems to have a negative approach to games. If you want to get people through the turnstiles and make them pay their hard earned coin, then you should be playing attractive, eye pleasing, attacking football, especially at home, and putting the opposition on the back foot. The lack of incoming signings and players arriving on loan seems to point to the fact that DH may be thinking of replacing CP. For me, he simply isn't cutting it. Took the club a long time last season to appoint him after MR walked, a decision I think they now regret. The only way now is up, so heads up!!! When the inevitable happens and Chris Powell is shown the door, probably sometime within the next 12 months (and I don't advocate this), I do hope that the board don't come out with the guff about taking our time to appoint the next manager. The way that we trash managers you might as well pick the first one who applies!
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 2, 2015 7:57:21 GMT 1
I'm as disappointed as anybody about the sale of Butterfield, not so much Hammill, and I'd be happy if we could get Vaughan's wages off our balance sheet - but I do have to say that the reactions of a small, but growing, minority on here is very poor and a tad immature "I want it and I want it NOW !" We've had everything from Hoyle has given up, we're selling the family silver, we're planning for Division 1,and even the suggestion that Dean Hoyle doesn't care anymore and lies to supporters.I've not seen a shred of evidence for any of this, other than that Mr Hoyle won't splash out another £10 million of his own money I'm not going to go in to the well-documented factual bit about how much Dean Hoyle has personally done for this club - that's been explained numerous times before - but I'd merely like to say that when he says that the money will be re-invested in the club I believe him totally. I'm old enough to have supported Town under numerous Chairmen, some of whom I wouldn't dream of believing, but when Dean Hoyle says that he is trying to do the best for Town - and that money will be spent - I'm more than happy to trust him. The fact that we seemingly haven't bought a big name today does not mean that we're not working really hard to get the players in - yes, we may have to wait for the loan window to open but we've got weeks before our next match. We could have sold Butterfield a few weeks ago apparently, and that would have given us more time, but I suspect Huddersfield Town got a lot more for him by holding out. In the end as supporters we make a choice - you can either believe that we won't be bringing people in and are planning for relegation or you can be patient, admittedly harder, and wait to see what happens. Whatever you decide I don't really see the need for the vitriol and incredibly childish rubbish that has been aimed at Dean Hoyle. I sometimes think that some of the negative stuff that is so prevalent on this board says so much more about the authors than it does about the club. I thought for a moment then that I was on the wrong forum, somebody with a modicum of common sense and reality. Well said and in total agreement with your comments
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 2, 2015 7:58:26 GMT 1
Just a couple of questions....was Butterfield desperate to leave, this is news to me, he said in the local rag he wasn't desperate to leave and who do we sell when we've run out of players to sell and we're left with crap? And if he had said he wanted to leave we would have got 5 million for him.........., I think not
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