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Post by specialun on Sept 2, 2015 8:03:58 GMT 1
The personal jibes and insults are pathetic.......but there are serious concerns about what is going on now imo. The recruitment appears all over the place - we now have midfielders galore but no right back, only two strikers and one senior keeper. Add to that the sale of 9m worth of talent and the loaning out long term of one or our only two signings costing fees this summer and surely there is rightly some concern over matters, particularly when players dont seem happy and express dissatisfaction/a desire not to leave on social media and via radio interviews as vaughan and smithies have. Dean hoyle has done a great job thus far, but i think this summer and transfer window have been disappointing to say the least - he said funds were ready to reinvest after alex departed and surely if they knew butts wanted out several weeks ago we should have got targets lined up.........?? I know its not easy bringing quality in........but reduced crowds, poor results and general apathy mixed with anger amongst fans isnt going to improve matters and i think we have had a rotten july and august + 1 sept! Agreed shawsie
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Post by upthetown on Sept 2, 2015 10:35:09 GMT 1
Still room for two more in the match day squad? Pacey dominant Centre back and 'prolific at this level' striker for Cardiff and we might have to hope that smith doesnt give away too many more sloppy goals between now and January and we have to hope Patterson is instantly as good as butterfield. Still don't think it bodes well having 5 of your first 11 being loan players but that's the crazy predicament the board have put us in. Loans can be made with an agreement already in place for the deal to become permanent as soon as the jan transfer window opens - I think we really need to be doing these sorts of deals now so the two coming in know they are here for the long term and we can maintain some sort of first team stability into next season.
Teams with lots of loan players dont seem to do too well imo.
As for the long term and first team stability, I wish.
I would imagine CP thought and was under the impression he had something to build upon after he presumed he had sorted the wheat from the chaff in January.
Watford.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 2, 2015 10:52:51 GMT 1
Teams with lots of loan players dont seem to do too well imo.
As for the long term and first team stability, I wish.
I would imagine CP thought and was under the impression he had something to build upon after he presumed he had sorted the wheat from the chaff in January.
Watford. Ipswich
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Post by runner76 on Sept 2, 2015 11:01:01 GMT 1
When DH took the reigns we were struggling to get out of L1. At the helm he has overseen a promotion to the Championship, progress with the stadium, catering ,canalside etc etc etc and seen the club stable in the Championship. Yes, we have not gone directly to the top of the league and into the Premier League, but look at what we have done - it is bloody fantastic. The man is not without criticism but he is a fan, he is doing what he believes is best for the club and there's really not much else to day. Well done DH and UTT.
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Post by ringdisco on Sept 2, 2015 11:11:03 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Sept 2, 2015 11:18:34 GMT 1
Season ticket holder and supporter since the 1970's. People mention that Hoyle is so wonderful and that he is the best chairman we ever had etc etc. It's all about opinions and some on here hand out abuse if an opinion differs from theirs. A very mature outlook to have. I read the posts on this site twice a day every day but rarely post myself, the fact that I am writing this is testament to how strongly I feel about recent (last few seasons) events at the club. IMO Dean Hoyle and his team have created a cold and clinical atmosphere at the club where we have the fact that we are unable to compete with most Championship teams rammed down our throats on a daily basis.. Any reasonably intelligent person is aware of this without the constant reminders. Our best players are sold for profit when they have not been at the club long enough to contribute to any reasonable success. We have needed a frontline striker ever since it became apparent that the maligned James Vaughan would not be able to contribute every week. This problem still remains unanswered, only briefly solved by the brief loan period of Grant Holt who showed in his few games for us just what it would be like to support a club run with the priority of the fans at heart. Be honest, when was the last time any of you ever truly felt excited about going to the match. Hoyle may have invested his money, but I don't feel turning the club into what it has now become is anything to be proud of. Also a supporter since the late 70's and disagree with almost all you've said there, particularly the part about not being excited going to the match. I'm far from a happy clapper but realistic enough to be able to look at the bigger picture and remember all too well when things were a lot, lot, LOT worse. In fact when I think back over the last 30 odd years I cant think of a better sustained period being a Town fan outside the Hoyle era. Town fans are a difficult bunch to please that's for sure, I cant personally see how the club can be run any better other than perhaps better (quality not budget) recruitment (players and manager). Maybe instead of moaning some of the fans can put forward a plan in which the club is challenging at the top of the championship and not selling any players without someone pumping in tens of millions per year and falling foul of FFP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 11:54:37 GMT 1
Season ticket holder and supporter since the 1970's. People mention that Hoyle is so wonderful and that he is the best chairman we ever had etc etc. It's all about opinions and some on here hand out abuse if an opinion differs from theirs. A very mature outlook to have. I read the posts on this site twice a day every day but rarely post myself, the fact that I am writing this is testament to how strongly I feel about recent (last few seasons) events at the club. IMO Dean Hoyle and his team have created a cold and clinical atmosphere at the club where we have the fact that we are unable to compete with most Championship teams rammed down our throats on a daily basis.. Any reasonably intelligent person is aware of this without the constant reminders. Our best players are sold for profit when they have not been at the club long enough to contribute to any reasonable success. We have needed a frontline striker ever since it became apparent that the maligned James Vaughan would not be able to contribute every week. This problem still remains unanswered, only briefly solved by the brief loan period of Grant Holt who showed in his few games for us just what it would be like to support a club run with the priority of the fans at heart. Be honest, when was the last time any of you ever truly felt excited about going to the match. Hoyle may have invested his money, but I don't feel turning the club into what it has now become is anything to be proud of. Also a supporter since the late 70's and disagree with almost all you've said there, particularly the part about not being excited going to the match. I'm far from a happy clapper but realistic enough to be able to look at the bigger picture and remember all too well when things were a lot, lot, LOT worse. In fact when I think back over the last 30 odd years I cant think of a better sustained period being a Town fan outside the Hoyle era. Town fans are a difficult bunch to please that's for sure, I cant personally see how the club can be run any better other than perhaps better (quality not budget) recruitment (players and manager). Maybe instead of moaning some of the fans can put forward a plan in which the club is challenging at the top of the championship and not selling any players without someone pumping in tens of millions per year and falling foul of FFP. Yes absolutely. Come on you geniuses, put forwards all your comprehensive and coherent alternative business plans for DH to consider. I am sure he will gladly implement the best one that saves him investing 5 mill a year while improving year on year league position and that will keep fans happy (He after all a fan too). Actually I will kick you off with a promise to pay £1000 to the fan whose HTFC business plan is implemented by DH!!! PM your proposals to me and DH as soon as they are ready, the competition will be really hot, so don't waste time on here any more, get drafting those plans.
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2015 12:44:17 GMT 1
I think the product on the pitch is the only important issue...if it's good, and successfull..all the other issues fall away. The reason Dean has had to invest more and more so regularly is because all 4 of his appointed managers have pretty much failed to get the team to 'over achieve'.
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Post by de1terrier on Sept 2, 2015 12:54:18 GMT 1
ok detox, AND THEN WHAT, a team does not perform well forever, THE club could perform fantastically for 2 or 3 seasons and then implode, the club NEEDS to be on a sound financial footing which it can fall back on and then rebuild from rather than what happened in the days of Barry Ruberry and I for one never want to see a slide like that again, there may be nobody to rescue us next time. As it stands IF this team were to fail and be relegated, it would not be the same disaster as back then we would survive and bounce back POTENTIALLY even bounce back stronger.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Sept 2, 2015 12:57:23 GMT 1
ok detox, AND THEN WHAT, a team does not perform well forever, THE club could perform fantastically for 2 or 3 seasons and then implode, the club NEEDS to be on a sound financial footing which it can fall back on and then rebuild from rather than what happened in the days of Barry Ruberry and I for one never want to see a slide like that again, there may be nobody to rescue us next time. As it stands IF this team were to fail and be relegated, it would not be the same disaster as back then we would survive and bounce back POTENTIALLY even bounce back stronger. If we go down we will be told we can't expect to compete financially with teams like Wigan and Sheff United !! If you plan to fail then 9 times out of 10 you will.
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Post by de1terrier on Sept 2, 2015 13:09:18 GMT 1
wrong if you fail to plan you fail completely.
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Post by terrier13 on Sept 2, 2015 13:29:05 GMT 1
I think the product on the pitch is the only important issue...if it's good, and successfull..all the other issues fall away. The reason Dean has had to invest more and more so regularly is because all 4 of his appointed managers have pretty much failed to get the team to 'over achieve'. Blackpool had some pretty successful on-the-pitch product recently...
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2015 13:36:21 GMT 1
I think the product on the pitch is the only important issue...if it's good, and successfull..all the other issues fall away. The reason Dean has had to invest more and more so regularly is because all 4 of his appointed managers have pretty much failed to get the team to 'over achieve'. Blackpool had some pretty successful on-the-pitch product recently...
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2015 13:39:27 GMT 1
ok detox, AND THEN WHAT, a team does not perform well forever, THE club could perform fantastically for 2 or 3 seasons and then implode, the club NEEDS to be on a sound financial footing which it can fall back on and then rebuild from rather than what happened in the days of Barry Ruberry and I for one never want to see a slide like that again, there may be nobody to rescue us next time. As it stands IF this team were to fail and be relegated, it would not be the same disaster as back then we would survive and bounce back POTENTIALLY even bounce back stronger. I'd be happy for one season of fantastic performance tbh...
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Post by de1terrier on Sept 2, 2015 13:42:38 GMT 1
me too Provided the club is as sustainable as possible should things go tits up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:48:02 GMT 1
When DH took the reigns we were struggling to get out of L1. At the helm he has overseen a promotion to the Championship, progress with the stadium, catering ,canalside etc etc etc and seen the club stable in the Championship. Yes, we have not gone directly to the top of the league and into the Premier League, but look at what we have done - it is bloody fantastic. The man is not without criticism but he is a fan, he is doing what he believes is best for the club and there's really not much else to day. Well done DH and UTT. And now we're trying our hardest to get back to League 1. What is it now, 3 wins in over 20 matches? On top of selling £9M of our most valuable players, whilst spending £0.45M plus freebies and loans to replace them, I would hardly say we're stable in the Championship. The sooner some wake up to the fact the plug has been pulled, the better.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 2, 2015 13:49:53 GMT 1
When DH took the reigns we were struggling to get out of L1. At the helm he has overseen a promotion to the Championship, progress with the stadium, catering ,canalside etc etc etc and seen the club stable in the Championship. Yes, we have not gone directly to the top of the league and into the Premier League, but look at what we have done - it is bloody fantastic. The man is not without criticism but he is a fan, he is doing what he believes is best for the club and there's really not much else to day. Well done DH and UTT. And now we're trying our hardest to get back to League 1. What is it now, 3 wins in over 20 matches? On top of selling £9M of our most valuable players, whilst spending £0.45M plus freebies and loans to replace them, I would hardly say we're stable in the Championship. The sooner some wake up to the fact the plug has been pulled, the better. 3 wins in 23....
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Post by runner76 on Sept 2, 2015 15:22:24 GMT 1
And now we're trying our hardest to get back to League 1. What is it now, 3 wins in over 20 matches? On top of selling £9M of our most valuable players, whilst spending £0.45M plus freebies and loans to replace them, I would hardly say we're stable in the Championship. The sooner some wake up to the fact the plug has been pulled, the better. 3 wins in 23.... Don't forget the draws....not all bad news!
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 2, 2015 17:38:01 GMT 1
I'm starting to get to the point where if Dean eft I'm struggling to see what difference it would make to be honest. We hated Davy because of the lack of investment in the team... something is strikingly similar here Come on mate, as a town fan, put your disappointment to one side for the evening and think rationally. We have invested regularly and neither of us really know how Huws (who has a classy pedigree) and Patterson (who has ripped us a new one in the past) will perform. We both remember the days when we were lucky to get a freebie and got excited if anyone signed. We may just be ok and whatever happens we are HTFC!! That was an out of order comment from me. I really must stop posting when pissed and when pissed off. I know we have invested and I know we are so far ahead of where we were when Dean took over. I'm just hurting a bit at the moment like the rest of us probably are. I hope Huws does the biz and I'll be there at our next home game to give him my support.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2015 17:59:33 GMT 1
When DH took the reigns we were struggling to get out of L1. At the helm he has overseen a promotion to the Championship, progress with the stadium, catering ,canalside etc etc etc and seen the club stable in the Championship. Yes, we have not gone directly to the top of the league and into the Premier League, but look at what we have done - it is bloody fantastic. The man is not without criticism but he is a fan, he is doing what he believes is best for the club and there's really not much else to day. Well done DH and UTT. And now we're trying our hardest to get back to League 1. What is it now, 3 wins in over 20 matches? On top of selling £9M of our most valuable players, whilst spending £0.45M plus freebies and loans to replace them, I would hardly say we're stable in the Championship. The sooner some wake up to the fact the plug has been pulled, the better. Have you explained where you think all the money has gone yet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 18:32:59 GMT 1
I think you will find moral is very high at the moment,if Vaughan changes his attitude it will get even better. Whats Vaughan's attitude got to do with anything? He won't stay fit anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 18:34:32 GMT 1
Sick to my back teeth with some of the stuff I've read on DATM and elsewhere, some twat on Twitter claimed he was pleased he had not got a seaon ticket this year now, because Hoyle hadn't fished £8m out of his back pocket and spent it on the team!! I'd be pretty miffed if I was Hoyle - is £35m not enough? Come on guys - next one up with the cash & the balls - I am sure Dean will get off the pot!! Your totally right, I just wish that the little money we have available for transfers made more sense
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Post by mightyterrier on Sept 2, 2015 18:38:36 GMT 1
Come on mate, as a town fan, put your disappointment to one side for the evening and think rationally. We have invested regularly and neither of us really know how Huws (who has a classy pedigree) and Patterson (who has ripped us a new one in the past) will perform. We both remember the days when we were lucky to get a freebie and got excited if anyone signed. We may just be ok and whatever happens we are HTFC!! That was an out of order comment from me. I really must stop posting when pissed and when pissed off. I know we have invested and I know we are so far ahead of where we were when Dean took over. I'm just hurting a bit at the moment like the rest of us probably are. I hope Huws does the biz and I'll be there at our next home game to give him my support. UTT
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