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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 6, 2015 21:08:49 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 21:12:54 GMT 1
I think that so far this season we've played some great football but just missed that clinical, sensible finisher up front. The one constant is Millers failings for me. As for Mels comment regarding wells, he had a cracking shot on target, across the keeper, it was quality - and I'm no particular fan of wells as I find him a little lightweight at this level. That said, put wells or Miller on a one on one, or a lob, or to turn a defender inside out, and my money would go on wells every single time. And Ted, I know your keeping a watching brief mate, and I will respond when I've had my tea. I wasn't.. But seeing as you're back ive plumped up mi cushions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 21:13:30 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. We have an option to bring him back in January.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 21:25:11 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Because he's not good enough for championship and it enabled us to snaffle Huws ?
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Post by bizkit on Oct 6, 2015 21:31:52 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. We have an option to bring him back in January. Don't Wigan have the same option for Huws? I don't believe Miller is the answer, but you can't disagree that praise from others like Charlton fans, plus Lennon reckons he ran the Bolton defence ragged, shows he must have something. The trouble with getting trying to a good proven goalscorer, they don't grow on trees and are expensive. Wells would score if he could get a run of games.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 6, 2015 21:34:23 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Because he's not good enough for championship and it enabled us to snaffle Huws ? Miller's not good enough for the Championship but we're persevering with him. Was the Huws deal linked to this one?
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Post by terrierpark on Oct 6, 2015 21:34:48 GMT 1
So then year on year progress and we find ourselves without a single Championship standard striker! How could this be when we have the most amazing man in football in charge? Do have a think , then rule out the loan problems as we needed this striker in the summer, after all only DH knows his own mind and he must have known what is plans for JV were! So its make do until Jan when we dont do business as you pay inflated prices? There are more questions than answers! Who is the worst ? Difficult as they all bring different levels of shiteness to the field. Wells , shooting probably better than Miller but still needs plenty of good chances to bag the one. Weak in body strength and ball retention. Miller the opposite, will battle and hold it if he gets it under control but spends far too long on his arse and offers little goal threat. Bunn...much more direct will go at the defence and can cause problems,but again often poor control lets him down, his shooting is on a par with wells. I guess it comes down to the fact that good championship strikers cost a shit load of money to buy and employ. Perhaps then its the club rather than the fans who dont want Championship football?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 21:37:05 GMT 1
Because he's not good enough for championship and it enabled us to snaffle Huws ? Miller's not good enough for the Championship but we're persevering with him. Was the Huws deal linked to this one? I would think so ... I can't see Hiwula playing upfront on his own.. can you ? I've never thought Miller was the answer but at this moment in time I think hiwula is less so
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 21:36:55 GMT 1
I guess it comes down to the fact that good championship strikers cost a shit load of money to buy and employ. Perhaps then its the club rather than the fans who dont want Championship football? Did you not get what you wanted for tea tonight or summat? Perhaps the club can see further than the last result, and have a plan that extends beyond the next game?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 6, 2015 21:49:34 GMT 1
Miller's not good enough for the Championship but we're persevering with him. Was the Huws deal linked to this one? I would think so ... I can't see Hiwula playing upfront on his own.. can you ? I've never thought Miller was the answer but at this moment in time I think hiwula is less so I don't know why he'd need to play up front on his own. Why not play him with Bunn, Wells or Vaughan (when fit) or use him as an impact sub? When I was a lad a striker's job was to score goals or at the very least set them up for others and Miller's pretty damn poor at either!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 21:56:46 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Grant Holt also came on as a sub. Maybe the Hiwula deal gives us an option there?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 22:05:14 GMT 1
I would think so ... I can't see Hiwula playing upfront on his own.. can you ? I've never thought Miller was the answer but at this moment in time I think hiwula is less so I don't know why he'd need to play up front on his own. Why not play him with Bunn, Wells or Vaughan (when fit) or use him as an impact sub? When I was a lad a striker's job was to score goals or at the very least set them up for others and Miller's pretty damn poor at either! Whether Hiwula is good enough shouldn't be linked to " the Miller question" imo .... He would be behind wells in the pecking order... Have you seen him play ? Is he good enough? Powell didn't think so .... I m o it's more important to get someone in who's good enough as opposed to crying that someone who's scored in the paint pot cup isn't playing for us
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 22:05:51 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Grant Holt also came on as a sub. Maybe the Hiwula deal gives us an option there? Holt heavily linked to Carlisle return... I think that's more realistic for him
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 6, 2015 22:06:23 GMT 1
Perhaps then its the club rather than the fans who dont want Championship football? Did you not get what you wanted for tea tonight or summat? Perhaps the club can see further than the last result, and have a plan that extends beyond the next game? mel.. the plan seems to be, see how we go.. maybe have a go at it, maybe not... its odd to watch a team that can play who look fairly clueless and disinterested a week later after was was a decent start? no idea about ipswich away or mk at home for that matter, anything could happen.. watching us huff and puff in the second half last week without actually doing anything much going forward or defending was just dissapointing.. being dissapointed is bad, I didnt even get angry....I think you should at least get a bit angry, apathy is a desperate state of affairs. My oppo went to the game, the players trooped off, no booing or cheering, powell then just said his usual and the 3 points were gone as though the game had never been played.. I dont think we even had a booking or a falling out with their players? It does beg the question, quite rightly as to wether the club really wants to be here, does the manager really want to be here? mel, we cant have a footballing plan that extends beyond the next game because i dont think we really have one for the next game.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 6, 2015 22:06:26 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Grant Holt also came on as a sub. Maybe the Hiwula deal gives us an option there? It'd be worth considering but after the injury Holt had and at his age it may be a big gamble given that his wages were supposedly £28,000 per week. Wigan were only prepared to pay half Vaughan's wages so I doubt they be prepared to pay a significant chunk of Holt's if were to join us now. A fully fit Holt though would be a damn sight better option than Miller if we could make the financials work.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 6, 2015 22:12:40 GMT 1
I don't know why he'd need to play up front on his own. Why not play him with Bunn, Wells or Vaughan (when fit) or use him as an impact sub? When I was a lad a striker's job was to score goals or at the very least set them up for others and Miller's pretty damn poor at either! Whether Hiwula is good enough shouldn't be linked to " the Miller question" imo .... He would be behind wells in the pecking order... Have you seen him play ? Is he good enough? Powell didn't think so .... I m o it's more important to get someone in who's good enough as opposed to crying that someone who's scored in the paint pot cup isn't playing for us Who's crying, I'm certainly not. I was merely questioning why we've loaned a goalscoring striker out for a full season when we have few options. I don't know if he's good enough, but do you know he isn't? If as Codds says we could get him back in January then maybe we can save ourselves a bob or two then (if he's deemed to have sufficiently improved).
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 22:15:32 GMT 1
Whether Hiwula is good enough shouldn't be linked to " the Miller question" imo .... He would be behind wells in the pecking order... Have you seen him play ? Is he good enough? Powell didn't think so .... I m o it's more important to get someone in who's good enough as opposed to crying that someone who's scored in the paint pot cup isn't playing for us Who's crying, I'm certainly not. I was merely questioning why we've loaned a goalscoring striker out for a full season when we have few options. I don't know if he's good enough, but do you know he isn't? If as Codds says we could get him back in January then maybe we can save ourselves a bob or two then (if he's deemed to have sufficiently improved). I don't know if he's good enough .. I know Powell didn't think he was .. as I say I'd be more interested in getting someone good enough in.. sorting the striker options out will make or break our season I m o .. I've a feeling hiwula won't figure but I'd be happy to be wrong
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 22:21:39 GMT 1
No wonder we've started playing shite again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 22:27:48 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Because we have an abundance of free scoring strikers, like Wells (1), Miller (0) and Vaughan ("club pretending to be injured"). A bit like our second choice right winger out on loan, or Wallace on loan so we need a loan defender in. Or needing an emergency loan keeper after selling our number two, who did a great job in Smithies absence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 22:30:18 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Because we have an abundance of free scoring strikers, like Wells (1), Miller (0) and Vaughan ("club pretending to be injured"). A but like our second choice right winger out on loan, or Wallace on loan so we need a loan defender in. Or needing an emergency loan keeper after selling our number two, who did a great job in Smithies absence. My guess is you wanted a fish finger sandwich for tea, and you got grilled Pollock?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 22:31:17 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Because we have an abundance of free scoring strikers, like Wells (1), Miller (0) and Vaughan ("club pretending to be injured"). A but like our second choice right winger out on loan, or Wallace on loan so we need a loan defender in. Or needing an emergency loan keeper after selling our number two, who did a great job in Smithies absence. When did I miss this? Wells also has two and it's a strange view point to think what we're really missing is Murray Wallace.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 6, 2015 22:38:02 GMT 1
Oh Marcus
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Post by alwayswright on Oct 6, 2015 23:43:09 GMT 1
The plan seems to be to play one up front on his own. For this to work, at least 2 from Scannell, Carayol, Bunn and Huws need to be close to Miller by the time he has brought the long ball under control, and/or broke past the first defender. I thought Miller did his part quite well against Wolves BUT there was seldom anyone for him to work with. Wolves always had plenty of cover at the back and showed how with a bit of enterprise, and with a single man in support, it wasn't too difficult to find the way to goal through our defence. I agree that Bunn had an off day, but the manager needs to decide what he requires from our wingers. Carayol has a decent shot on him but his chances coming from wide left are slim. Scannell is less effective shooting with his left and should be primarily involved in getting to the dead ball line and pulling it back for Miller, Bunn Huws or Carayol. Simples!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 23:46:21 GMT 1
Anyone else think Joel Lynch would be more use up top than Miller? Knows how to finish and is very mobile - the new David Mirfin
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 0:08:48 GMT 1
Anyone else think Joel Lynch would be more use up top than Miller? Knows how to finish and is very mobile - the new David Mirfin No! No! No! Unless you're happy to see our goals against column double.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:20:04 GMT 1
Hiwula has bagged a couple so far for Wigan in the paint pot trophy tonight. I'm struggling to see why we loaned him out for a full season when we're so short of credible options up front. Because we have an abundance of free scoring strikers, like Wells (1), Miller (0) and Vaughan ("club pretending to be injured"). A but like our second choice right winger out on loan, or Wallace on loan so we need a loan defender in. Or needing an emergency loan keeper after selling our number two, who did a great job in Smithies absence. Wells has scored 2 this season. And Smithies was our number one keeper. If you're going to talk utter shite, at least get your facts right.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 7, 2015 7:52:29 GMT 1
Some right bollocks being spouted around on this thread.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 7, 2015 9:11:39 GMT 1
blaming the odd individual is less scary that watching the 'team' fall back into the dreary, poorly organised, defensive mode and lose badly..
bigging up wolves would help but in all honesty they were pretty average at best but its all the opposition need to be if we watch them play and carry no real goal threat from anyone in the team..
after 20 minutes we then played into their hands and lost..thats the story of the game not Miller being shit or Davison being out of position etc...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:16:25 GMT 1
Because we have an abundance of free scoring strikers, like Wells (1), Miller (0) and Vaughan ("club pretending to be injured"). A but like our second choice right winger out on loan, or Wallace on loan so we need a loan defender in. Or needing an emergency loan keeper after selling our number two, who did a great job in Smithies absence. When did I miss this?Wells also has two and it's a strange view point to think what we're really missing is Murray Wallace. We must have at some stage, because we don't have a second choice keeper in the squad, hence the loan of Steer. Sorry for halving Well's huge tally from 2 to 1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:19:06 GMT 1
Because we have an abundance of free scoring strikers, like Wells (1), Miller (0) and Vaughan ("club pretending to be injured"). A but like our second choice right winger out on loan, or Wallace on loan so we need a loan defender in. Or needing an emergency loan keeper after selling our number two, who did a great job in Smithies absence. Wells has scored 2 this season. And Smithies was our number one keeper. If you're going to talk utter shite, at least get your facts right. Well we sold our number one, didn't replace him, so do not have a second choice keeper. If we did we wouldn't have needed the emergency loan.
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