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Post by haveitback on Oct 5, 2015 18:17:12 GMT 1
" comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white shirt " ... Hahahahahahhahahahaha .. ever ? Teddy boy, my Mum bless her, likes tripe. I on the other hand think it's horrible. Who's right, mum or son? You see it's all about opinion isn't it and the fact that yours is different to mine doesn't (unless you're sat in front of a keyboard - where you seem to spend most of your day) make it fact. Now that yorkterrier is a brilliant come back, Ted will be spinning on his computer chair swearing at his monitor. Quality.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 5, 2015 18:21:16 GMT 1
" comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white shirt " ... Hahahahahahhahahahaha .. ever ? Teddy boy, my Mum bless her, likes tripe. I on the other hand think it's horrible. Who's right, mum or son? You see it's all about opinion isn't it and the fact that yours is different to mine doesn't (unless you're sat in front of a keyboard - where you seem to spend most of your day) make it fact. Ok you've seen the long list.. Is your opinion still the same Yorkie boy ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 5, 2015 18:26:32 GMT 1
Teddy boy, my Mum bless her, likes tripe. I on the other hand think it's horrible. Who's right, mum or son? You see it's all about opinion isn't it and the fact that yours is different to mine doesn't (unless you're sat in front of a keyboard - where you seem to spend most of your day) make it fact. Now that yorkterrier is a brilliant come back, Ted will be spinning on his computer chair swearing at his monitor. Quality. You're so right .. Twat
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 5, 2015 18:34:25 GMT 1
Now that yorkterrier is a brilliant come back, Ted will be spinning on his computer chair swearing at his monitor. Quality. You're so right .. Twat well done ted.. if you think they are being one, call it..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 5, 2015 18:41:56 GMT 1
You're so right .. Twat well done ted.. if you think they are being one, call it.. I was swearing at myself Galpharm I wouldn't four letter abuse someone on the Internet. It's puerile and a bad example to kids
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Post by fredcarno1 on Oct 6, 2015 11:13:13 GMT 1
Miller is utter garbage, he shouldn't be anywhere near a starting place in a Championship side !!! Hasn't looked like scoring a goal after being involved in just about every game. He's played two halves of football where he's done well and supposedly this is good enough for many as its not his job to score goals.
If Powell sees Miller as an integral part of the first team we will go down, can't hope to stay up playing a striker that doesn't score. If he gets three this season I will be absoloutely amazed !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 11:17:28 GMT 1
If Powell sees Miller as an integral part of the first team we will go down, Yep. We might as well play Mark Hudson as a striker. Miller is ok, but at this level you need more than just someone who is built like a brick shithouse but who appears to fall over at the slightest touch like some patsy.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Oct 6, 2015 11:21:58 GMT 1
If Powell sees Miller as an integral part of the first team we will go down, Yep. We might as well play Mark Hudson as a striker. Miller is ok, but at this level you need more than just someone who is built like a brick shithouse but who appears to fall over at the slightest touch like some patsy. Joking apart Lynch upfront and Hudson back in at centre half would be a far better option, every bit of Lynch's game is better than Millers. Could anyone see Miller scoring with finishes like Lynch did against Bolton or the overhead kick against Watford last season. I'm still waiting for the Miller fans to explain this mythical job he does for the team !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 11:51:54 GMT 1
Yep. We might as well play Mark Hudson as a striker. Miller is ok, but at this level you need more than just someone who is built like a brick shithouse but who appears to fall over at the slightest touch like some patsy. Joking apart Lynch upfront and Hudson back in at centre half would be a far better option, every bit of Lynch's game is better than Millers. Could anyone see Miller scoring with finishes like Lynch did against Bolton or the overhead kick against Watford last season. I'm still waiting for the Miller fans to explain this mythical job he does for the team !!! Not sure anyone would describe themselves as a Miller fan, but I don't know why you would need the job he does for the team explaining. He's the big guy who can act as a focal point, hold the ball up and bring others into the game. We don't currently have anyone at the club who could play that role, assuming Vaughan is injured/persona non grata. He's been pretty mixed in how's he performed at it. He offers zero goal threat and I don't think the rest of his game is good enough to make up for that. Hopefully with Murphy coming back to fitness, we'll send Steer back and bring in a loan striker who can score. He's nowhere near as bad some are trying to make out. His second half against Bolton, or Norwich at home last season show he can be an asset. Unfortunately he isn't consistent enough and is lacking when he comes up against a good quality centre half (like Wilson for Forest). When he is replaced, it'll be interesting to see who the next scapegoat is.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 6, 2015 12:14:08 GMT 1
Millers role seems to be that of holding the ball , then hopefully creating goal scoring opportunities for himself and others. What we are seeing at the moment is a lack of consistency in players performances , and that includes almost every team member on Powell's favoured list. What is needed is for " every member " of the team to start putting in good performances , as it will be then and then only that this team will rise up the table. We must never forget that this is a " team game " , and pointless having a set of " decent individual players " if Powell cannot gel them together into a championship standard competitive team. It was clear to see against Wolves that there is still a lot of work to be done , and also clear to see that you will be punished at this level for error and sloppy play .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 12:16:15 GMT 1
Joking apart Lynch upfront and Hudson back in at centre half would be a far better option, every bit of Lynch's game is better than Millers. Could anyone see Miller scoring with finishes like Lynch did against Bolton or the overhead kick against Watford last season. I'm still waiting for the Miller fans to explain this mythical job he does for the team !!! Not sure anyone would describe them as a Miller fan, but I don't know why you would need the job he does for the team explaining. He's the big guy who can act as a focal point, hold the ball up and bring others into the game. We don't currently have anyone at the club who could play that role, assuming Vaughan is injured/persona non grata. He's been pretty mixed in how's he performed at it. He offers zero goal threat and I don't think the rest of his game is good enough to make up for that. Hopefully with Murphy coming back to fitness, we'll send Steer back and bring in a loan striker who can score. He's nowhere near as bad some are trying to make out. His second half against Bolton, or Norwich at home last season show he can be an asset. Unfortunately he isn't consistent enough and is lacking when he comes up against a good quality centre half (like Wilson for Forest). When he is replaced, it'll be interesting to see who the next scapegoat is. I dunno about scapegoat. I seem to spend most home matches defending miller from some pretty stiff criticism from my dad. He's doing the job Powell expects. He's just not the right player to do it. Not his fault.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 6, 2015 12:46:26 GMT 1
It's also not his fault that the player who should be scoring goals off his hold up play isn't playing well enough to even get a start or that when he isn't playing as well as we'd hope his replacement is either injured or being frozen out by the club whichever version you wish to believe. We need another striker but to replace Vaughan rather than Miller.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Oct 6, 2015 13:01:28 GMT 1
Not sure anyone would describe them as a Miller fan, but I don't know why you would need the job he does for the team explaining. He's the big guy who can act as a focal point, hold the ball up and bring others into the game. We don't currently have anyone at the club who could play that role, assuming Vaughan is injured/persona non grata. He's been pretty mixed in how's he performed at it. He offers zero goal threat and I don't think the rest of his game is good enough to make up for that. Hopefully with Murphy coming back to fitness, we'll send Steer back and bring in a loan striker who can score. He's nowhere near as bad some are trying to make out. His second half against Bolton, or Norwich at home last season show he can be an asset. Unfortunately he isn't consistent enough and is lacking when he comes up against a good quality centre half (like Wilson for Forest). When he is replaced, it'll be interesting to see who the next scapegoat is. I dunno about scapegoat. I seem to spend most home matches defending miller from some pretty stiff criticism from my dad. He's doing the job Powell expects. He's just not the right player to do it. Not his fault. What job would that be, poor in the air doesn't hold the ball up particularly well and in front of goal he looks quite frankly embarrassing ? Why does someone who's criticised for been dreadful have to be immediately a scapegoat. He's featured in every game this season and hasn't looked like scoring in any, has had 2 decent halves of football in that time. If that's the job the manager expects we are setting the bar pretty low. I'll get shot down for this but we really ought to be trying to get the only goal scorer we've currently got on the books in Wells into the side. Who else do people think will score ? Despite hardly playing Wells is still our highest scoring striker !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:15:51 GMT 1
I dunno about scapegoat. I seem to spend most home matches defending miller from some pretty stiff criticism from my dad. He's doing the job Powell expects. He's just not the right player to do it. Not his fault. What job would that be, poor in the air doesn't hold the ball up particularly well and in front of goal he looks quite frankly embarrassing ? Why does someone who's criticised for been dreadful have to be immediately a scapegoat. He's featured in every game this season and hasn't looked like scoring in any, has had 2 decent halves of football in that time. If that's the job the manager expects we are setting the bar pretty low. I'll get shot down for this but we really ought to be trying to get the only goal scorer we've currently got on the books in Wells into the side. Who else do people think will score ? Despite hardly playing Wells is still our highest scoring striker !!!! The people that have been scoring. Wells is no better at doing his duties than Miller is with his allocated role. Wells should have had 20+ goals last season - easily. Bunn should have made more of his chances on Saturday. I take it (as I haven't looked) that you've made multiple posts telling everybody how shite he is as well?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 6, 2015 13:16:58 GMT 1
It's also not his fault that the player who should be scoring goals off his hold up play isn't playing well enough to even get a start or that when he isn't playing as well as we'd hope his replacement is either injured or being frozen out by the club whichever version you wish to believe. We need another striker but to replace Vaughan rather than Miller. How many times against Wolves did we see town players not receive the ball when in a " better goal scoring position ".. Town were creating goal scoring chance after chance especially in the first half , but clearly lacked an end product . The club needs a proven experienced player on the field of Vaughan's quality to put this right.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 6, 2015 13:28:20 GMT 1
well done ted.. if you think they are being one, call it.. I was swearing at myself Galpharm I wouldn't four letter abuse someone on the Internet. It's puerile and a bad example to kids teaching them to make smart arse comments is as likely to get them in the shit?? smart arse comments for the sake of it is just as puerile?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:45:56 GMT 1
We only get 10 outfield players to operate with, can we really sacrifice 1 of those positions (and our most forward) on a player who is simply there to trap and hold the ball and hopefully bring others into play, with pretty much unanimous agreement from all on the board that he does't offer any goal threat? There has got to be something else on offer from him for Powell to justify using him as a lone striker. I can totally understand the thinking, as if it was JV he'd perform that same roll of strength and been a magnet up front – but he also has the ability to actually be a threat as well, which is what someone who is used as a lone striker must also do. Otherwise, as others have stated, wouldn't we be better using an agile defender up top instead to perform the same role equally as effectively?
There was a point in the 1st half last Saturday when Carayol beat his man and got a cross in, and from the camera view you could see Miller bumbling along towards the box – whether because he didn't have the ethic, or whether he is just the slowest person on Earth – but ultimately didn't even make it to the box by the time it had gone out for a corner. The camera panned to Miller who was mildly berating MC as if he somehow should have passed to him. Me and my mate pissed ourselves, he was nowhere near the box!
If we are a Championship football club with aspirations to continue that, our current upfront strategy needs to change.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 6, 2015 14:35:38 GMT 1
What job would that be, poor in the air doesn't hold the ball up particularly well and in front of goal he looks quite frankly embarrassing ? Why does someone who's criticised for been dreadful have to be immediately a scapegoat. He's featured in every game this season and hasn't looked like scoring in any, has had 2 decent halves of football in that time. If that's the job the manager expects we are setting the bar pretty low. I'll get shot down for this but we really ought to be trying to get the only goal scorer we've currently got on the books in Wells into the side. Who else do people think will score ? Despite hardly playing Wells is still our highest scoring striker !!!! The people that have been scoring. Wells is no better at doing his duties than Miller is with his allocated role. Wells should have had 20+ goals last season - easily. Bunn should have made more of his chances on Saturday. I take it (as I haven't looked) that you've made multiple posts telling everybody how shite he is as well? Simple question - who is the worst player, Bunn, Wells or Miller? One of the easiest questions ever asked I would have thought - or maybe its just me. And your one word answer is?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 14:38:27 GMT 1
The people that have been scoring. Wells is no better at doing his duties than Miller is with his allocated role. Wells should have had 20+ goals last season - easily. Bunn should have made more of his chances on Saturday. I take it (as I haven't looked) that you've made multiple posts telling everybody how shite he is as well? Simple question - who is the worst player, Bunn, Wells or Miller? One of the easiest questions ever asked I would have thought - or maybe its just me. And your one word answer is? Wells Based on Saturday, when he did nothing of note. It would seem that we are judging players on a game by game basis. You want me to judge players on their time here, then its Miller. You want me to judge players on their careers and level they have played at, then it's not Miller.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 6, 2015 15:00:42 GMT 1
The people that have been scoring. Wells is no better at doing his duties than Miller is with his allocated role. Wells should have had 20+ goals last season - easily. Bunn should have made more of his chances on Saturday. I take it (as I haven't looked) that you've made multiple posts telling everybody how shite he is as well? Simple question - who is the worst player, Bunn, Wells or Miller? One of the easiest questions ever asked I would have thought - or maybe its just me. And your one word answer is? Its the wrong question as they are all different types of players. If Nahki had been what we expected when he signed then I'm sure we would have built a team around him to fit his particular talents. He's not been good enough to build a team/system around though has he? In the particular system that Powell is using at the moment Nahki would be classed as the worst choice of the 3 of them to be included in it - hence he is on the bench? Looking at it the other way round though if Nahki had been a Wolves player he would have played in the position that ALF played on Saturday - goal hanging in front of Afobe!
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 6, 2015 15:03:19 GMT 1
Almost every town player was to blame for the defeat against Wolves on Saturday , and it seems Miller is being made a scapegoat .. It was clear to see on Saturday that alot of team work still needs to be done " in every area of the pitch " to turn these talented individual players into a competitive team, and that includes a poor defence that has failed to keep a clean sheet in every one of the 10 championship matches this season. Any championship team will always be put on the back foot if they don't take their goal scoring opportunities , and certainly no room for sloppy play in any part of the field .. Many mention the goal scoring power of Wells, but maybe fail to understand the reason why Powell has put him on the bench.
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Post by yorkterrier on Oct 6, 2015 19:25:08 GMT 1
I think that so far this season we've played some great football but just missed that clinical, sensible finisher up front. The one constant is Millers failings for me.
As for Mels comment regarding wells, he had a cracking shot on target, across the keeper, it was quality - and I'm no particular fan of wells as I find him a little lightweight at this level. That said, put wells or Miller on a one on one, or a lob, or to turn a defender inside out, and my money would go on wells every single time.
And Ted, I know your keeping a watching brief mate, and I will respond when I've had my tea.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 6, 2015 19:38:15 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, everyone knows Miller isn't a prolific goal scorer and he is taking the flack for the clubs inability to address the striker issue. Ok I agree he doesn't do himself any favours at times and he has been poor in the Forest and Wolves games but he had a cracking game against Bolton.
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Post by TerrierSince89 on Oct 6, 2015 19:50:18 GMT 1
Personally I don't think Powell does see Miller as our best option or what he wants up front. I think he just see's Miller as the best option we have at this minute that will get the best out of the other players around him ie carayol, scannell, huws, bunn etc as he will occupy the defence and act as more of a presence than wells would if it was a straight swap. Think come Jan we'll see both wells and Miller on the bench as options with a new player taking over the role
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 19:51:56 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, everyone knows Miller isn't a prolific goal scorer and he is taking the flack for the clubs inability to address the striker issue. Ok I agree he doesn't do himself any favours at times and he has been poor in the Forest and Wolves games but he had a cracking game against Bolton. Wasn't he the key man against Charlton as well, or am I mistaken? Just trying to recall the comments after the game. As it happens, Miller was working on his finishing down at Canalside today, so you can deduce from that the manager sees him as an integral part of the match day squad, and they recognise his weaknesses.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 6, 2015 20:00:24 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, everyone knows Miller isn't a prolific goal scorer and he is taking the flack for the clubs inability to address the striker issue. Ok I agree he doesn't do himself any favours at times and he has been poor in the Forest and Wolves games but he had a cracking game against Bolton. Against two terrible cb's Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 6, 2015 20:09:34 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, everyone knows Miller isn't a prolific goal scorer and he is taking the flack for the clubs inability to address the striker issue. Ok I agree he doesn't do himself any favours at times and he has been poor in the Forest and Wolves games but he had a cracking game against Bolton. Wasn't he the key man against Charlton as well, or am I mistaken? Just trying to recall the comments after the game. As it happens, Miller was working on his finishing down at Canalside today, so you can deduce from that the manager sees him as an integral part of the match day squad, and they recognise his weaknesses. Bloody hell, did he cause much damage down there ? Did Hoyers and Maccy d's suffer badly Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 6, 2015 20:16:05 GMT 1
Fuck me some town fans are easily pleased. 0 goals 10 games. He is crap
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Post by terrierpark on Oct 6, 2015 20:50:47 GMT 1
So then year on year progress and we find ourselves without a single Championship standard striker! How could this be when we have the most amazing man in football in charge? Do have a think , then rule out the loan problems as we needed this striker in the summer, after all only DH knows his own mind and he must have known what is plans for JV were! So its make do until Jan when we dont do business as you pay inflated prices? There are more questions than answers! Who is the worst ? Difficult as they all bring different levels of shiteness to the field. Wells , shooting probably better than Miller but still needs plenty of good chances to bag the one. Weak in body strength and ball retention. Miller the opposite, will battle and hold it if he gets it under control but spends far too long on his arse and offers little goal threat. Bunn...much more direct will go at the defence and can cause problems,but again often poor control lets him down, his shooting is on a par with wells.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 21:03:25 GMT 1
So then year on year progress and we find ourselves without a single Championship standard striker! How could this be when we have the most amazing man in football in charge? Do have a think , then rule out the loan problems as we needed this striker in the summer, after all only DH knows his own mind and he must have known what is plans for JV were! So its make do until Jan when we dont do business as you pay inflated prices? There are more questions than answers! Who is the worst ? Difficult as they all bring different levels of shiteness to the field. Wells , shooting probably better than Miller but still needs plenty of good chances to bag the one. Weak in body strength and ball retention. Miller the opposite, will battle and hold it if he gets it under control but spends far too long on his arse and offers little goal threat. Bunn...much more direct will go at the defence and can cause problems,but again often poor control lets him down, his shooting is on a par with wells. I guess it comes down to the fact that good championship strikers cost a shit load of money to buy and employ.
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